Jack White Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 (edited) I have been studying Houston Street SPECTATORS in Nix, Bell, "Altgens 5", Dorman, etc. I think this is an area never researched and which retouchers failed to match up the people. If some of the people are missing or in the wrong place, as I believe, the authenticity of the images is compromised. I did not go all the way to Elm because the figures were getting too tall. If anyone wants to compare people, this is a good starting place. I plan to do others. Any curious genuine researcher will want to try to match up all the people. Good luck. It is very wide and I suggest that you SAVE IT TO YOUR DESKTOP AND REOPEN. It will then be about 50 inches wide for viewing each person much closer. Comments welcomed. Jack PS...my first observation, WHILE DOING IT, is that the right had side is shot in perspective, and from the mid-point northward, it is shot head on, as if Bell had changed his position to farther north, looking directly east. As far as I know this is not possible with the camera Nix was using. THE PHOTOS should all appear to vanish to the same vanishing point to the north. The scene on the north end of the block MUST be in perspective if shot from the south end of the block. THE PERSPECTIVE CANNOT CHANGE! (thanks to Jerry Logan for correcting of a major typo) Edited February 15, 2010 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 14, 2010 Author Share Posted February 14, 2010 (edited) I am convinced that assembly of the panorama DISPLAYS POSITIVE PROOF THAT THE BELL FILM IS A COMPOSITE VIEW MADE FROM CAMERAS IN TWO LOCATIONS ALONG HOUSTON! Note that just like the Z film, the camera tilts upward at the crucial time that the limo is in view. All we get is an occasional glimpse of Jackie's hat or a cop helmet. Films from two different cameras are morphed together at about mid-block, to create a total panorama in which the first half has perspective, and the seconc half HAS NO PERSPECTIVE! I believe this is a major identification of fakery of the Bell film. Jack Edited February 15, 2010 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 14, 2010 Author Share Posted February 14, 2010 Question for photo, lens, camera, photography and perspective experts: What kind of lens will photograph half a scene IN perspective and the other half NOT in perspective????? I don't know. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 An impossible one, Jack. The entire photographic record appears to have been compromised. I can't wait for Tink and Jerry and Lamson to show up and explain away another photographic impossibility. Question for photo, lens, camera, photography and perspective experts:What kind of lens will photograph half a scene IN perspective and the other half NOT in perspective????? I don't know. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Gillespie Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 An impossible one, Jack. The entire photographic record appears to have been compromised. I can't wait for Tink and Jerry and Lamson to show up and explain away another photographic impossibility.Question for photo, lens, camera, photography and perspective experts:What kind of lens will photograph half a scene IN perspective and the other half NOT in perspective????? I don't know. Jack --------------------------------------------------- I want to add a Valentine's Day gift, my new signature, herewith: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 (edited) I see Joseph Milteer.... Good study Jack, I like the "fake" Nix panorama Just saved it to my computer Edited February 15, 2010 by Dean Hagerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Logan Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 I am convinced that assembly of the panorama DISPLAYS POSITIVE PROOF THAT THE NIX FILM IS A COMPOSITEVIEW MADE FROM CAMERAS IN TWO LOCATIONS ALONG HOUSTON! Note that just like the Z film, the camera tilts upward at the crucial time that the limo is in view. All we get is an occasional glimpse of Jackie's hat or a cop helmet. Films from two different cameras are morphed together at about mid-block, to create a total panorama in which the first half has perspective, and the seconc half HAS NO PERSPECTIVE! I believe this is a major identification of fakery of the Nix film. Jack Jack, I know I'm just a nit picker, but I think it's kind of hard to prove the Nix film has no perspective when this is a composite of the Bell film. Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 I am convinced that assembly of the panorama DISPLAYS POSITIVE PROOF THAT THE NIX FILM IS A COMPOSITEVIEW MADE FROM CAMERAS IN TWO LOCATIONS ALONG HOUSTON! Note that just like the Z film, the camera tilts upward at the crucial time that the limo is in view. All we get is an occasional glimpse of Jackie's hat or a cop helmet. Films from two different cameras are morphed together at about mid-block, to create a total panorama in which the first half has perspective, and the seconc half HAS NO PERSPECTIVE! I believe this is a major identification of fakery of the Nix film. Jack Jack, I know I'm just a nit picker, but I think it's kind of hard to prove the Nix film has no perspective when this is a composite of the Bell film. Jerry Jerry...you are correct. I was working from a folder labeled "Bell Frames"...but I had brainlock when writing the text. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 I see Joseph Milteer....Good study Jack, I like the "fake" Nix panorama Just saved it to my computer Dean...SAVE THE NEW ONE. Jerry Logan pointed out that I typed Nix when I meant Bell. Brainlock is my only excuse. I saved frames from Bell into a folder named BELL FRAMES but when typing the text, I typed Nix. I don't know why. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Logan Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 I am convinced that assembly of the panorama DISPLAYS POSITIVE PROOF THAT THE NIX FILM IS A COMPOSITEVIEW MADE FROM CAMERAS IN TWO LOCATIONS ALONG HOUSTON! Note that just like the Z film, the camera tilts upward at the crucial time that the limo is in view. All we get is an occasional glimpse of Jackie's hat or a cop helmet. Films from two different cameras are morphed together at about mid-block, to create a total panorama in which the first half has perspective, and the seconc half HAS NO PERSPECTIVE! I believe this is a major identification of fakery of the Nix film. Jack Jack, I know I'm just a nit picker, but I think it's kind of hard to prove the Nix film has no perspective when this is a composite of the Bell film. Jerry Jerry...you are correct. I was working from a folder labeled "Bell Frames"...but I had brainlock when writing the text. Thanks. No problem Jack! Nobody's perfect. The only reason I mention it is that, unlike Nix, we have images of Bell filming the motorcade. We can see that Bell turned while photographing. So I'm not surprised that the roll, pitch or yaw of the camera would change. The major break that occurs at the garage entrance appears to be the result of Bell adjusting the roll of his camera. Frame by frame we can see the garage divider go from tilted to full vertical. The major tilt visible in the frames of the Court Building is the result of a camera roll that Bell has corrected by the time he films the Records building. You are mistaken that there are no perspective effects in the film of the Records building. If you study the windows and their frames you'll see that the photos were taken from an angle, not orthogonal as you've suggested. Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 The animators of the Bell film were very lazy. Animating a motionless crowd on the sidewalk was easy. But animating the moving limo and cops was hard. Solution (as in Zapruder) CROP OUT MOST OF THE LIMOUSINE. PUT IN AN OCCASIONAL COP HELMET OR JACKIE PINK HAT. PUT IN THE CHROME DIVIDER IN THE MIDDLE. This frame is taken from a sequence of the "limo moving" which can be determined by the moving chrome divider. But this means they had to put in Bill Greer and Roy Kelllerman. To make it easy, they pretended that the car was in dark shadow (which the Dorman film disproves). In the greenish shadow, Greer and Kellerman are there, but poorly drawn and colored. And the back of the limo...NO OCCUPANTS AT ALL! Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. A. Copeland Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 (edited) You know...concerning the entire Z-film fakery, the logic I have seemingly always used, since I first learned of the assassination at a very young age was quite simple I felt. Basically I learned over time how many witnesses were silenced in some awful way, I learned how valuable pieces of evidence were tampered with or destroyed so on, so forth. Now the logic I used was simple, if so many witnesses were silenced "altered" (via testimony for example), eliminated or the like and if we can consider the Z-film probably (pre-alteration in my view) one of the greatest "witnesses" to the scene of the crime and yet, it has not been totally eliminated nor at least tampered with, would it not be logical to conclude in some way that it has been (or could definitely well be/could have been) "silenced" or compromised in some manner...? I mean come on, the film (pre-alteration) is probably the best witness to the crime and it comes out "perfectly" unaltered...lol? I honestly find that very difficult to believe and I always will unless very powerful evidence is given to the contrary. My apologies to go off topic a bit there Mr. White. Edited February 16, 2010 by B. A. Copeland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Logan Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 The animators of the Bell film were very lazy. Animating a motionless crowd on the sidewalk was easy.But animating the moving limo and cops was hard. Solution (as in Zapruder) CROP OUT MOST OF THE LIMOUSINE. PUT IN AN OCCASIONAL COP HELMET OR JACKIE PINK HAT. PUT IN THE CHROME DIVIDER IN THE MIDDLE. This frame is taken from a sequence of the "limo moving" which can be determined by the moving chrome divider. But this means they had to put in Bill Greer and Roy Kelllerman. To make it easy, they pretended that the car was in dark shadow (which the Dorman film disproves). In the greenish shadow, Greer and Kellerman are there, but poorly drawn and colored. And the back of the limo...NO OCCUPANTS AT ALL! Jack Jack, I'm afraid you're mistaken. The white bar is not the chrome divider as can be observed by noting that the white bar remains stationary while Mrs. Kennedy's hat moves toward, in front of, and past it. What you've mistaken for the divider is actually a sign held by a man on the east side of Houston. The greenish object is probably his coat. Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 I see Joseph Milteer....Good study Jack, I like the "fake" Nix panorama Just saved it to my computer Dean...SAVE THE NEW ONE. Jerry Logan pointed out that I typed Nix when I meant Bell. Brainlock is my only excuse. I saved frames from Bell into a folder named BELL FRAMES but when typing the text, I typed Nix. I don't know why. Jack No problem Jack I have not looked close enough to have noticed it was the Bell film either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kingsbury Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 I am convinced that assembly of the panorama DISPLAYS POSITIVE PROOF THAT THE BELL FILM IS A COMPOSITEVIEW MADE FROM CAMERAS IN TWO LOCATIONS ALONG HOUSTON! Note that just like the Z film, the camera tilts upward at the crucial time that the limo is in view. All we get is an occasional glimpse of Jackie's hat or a cop helmet. Films from two different cameras are morphed together at about mid-block, to create a total panorama in which the first half has perspective, and the seconc half HAS NO PERSPECTIVE! I believe this is a major identification of fakery of the Bell film. Jack Jack have any of these been cropped as the photographer appears to have missed his subjects ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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