Greg Burnham Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) I have no idea whether or not these "clouds" contain chemicals. However, I can say with 100% certainty that there have been many days in San Diego--particularly in East County--that began with absolutely blue skies and literally NO CLOUD cover whatsoever from horizon to horizon. It's San Diego (inland) County--so clear skies are not uncommon. I recall witnessing and pointing out to fellow officers, (I was a Police Motorcycle Escort Officer back then) while we were in between motorcade details, the odd patterns that were being made in the sky by aircraft. I am NOT exaggerating. The patterns were obvious and definitely not random. They resembled a "checker board" across the entire sky. We counted as many as 6 to 8 nearly straight lines running parallel to each other across the otherwise completely clear, blue sky and an additional 5 or 6 lines intersecting those perpendicularly at 90 degrees. Eventually those well defined lines mutated into what appeared to be cirrus clouds and dissipated--but they did NOT disappear. They hung around in a different form. Then we would observe additional "lines" being laid out by either the same or additional aircraft, which subsequently dissipated--without disappearing--building up cloud cover over a period of hours. Now, the sky was no longer "clear" at all. It was filled with "whispy" clouds. But, there is absolutely no question as to how these "clouds" were formed--in terms of their source. The source was definitely the aircraft. I have observed this same phenomenon for more than 10 years. I have witnessed it more than 30 times, conservatively speaking. I do not claim to know what it is, what it means, nor do I claim to know what these "clouds" might contain. However, it is NOT easily dismissed, as it is NOT as "obviously explainable" as some here suggest. ... Edited March 12, 2011 by Greg Burnham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I have no idea whether or not these "clouds" contain chemicals. They do, in fact. There is residue from fuel / combustion so they do contain chemicals... but they are not, in general, the "chemtrails" as people claim. So in fact we have a couple of points: - Ordinary contrails do contain chemicals when formed by the combustion process from a jet engine. - Chemical spray is a known process, so it is possible to have chemical trails laid by aircraft (I'll mention this later). They resembled a "checker board" across the entire sky. We counted as many as 6 to 8 nearly straight lines running parallel to each other across the otherwise completely clear, blue sky and an additional 5 or 6 lines intersecting those perpendicularly at 90 degrees. Again, quite normal. The airspace above us has "roads" in the sky, to help control aircraft and prevent collision. Some are one way, some are speed limited, etc. These often overlap... but are separated in altitude. Eventually those well defined lines mutated into what appeared to be cirrus clouds and dissipated--but they did NOT disappear. They hung around in a different form. Then we would observe additional "lines" being laid out by either the same or additional aircraft, which subsequently dissipated--without disappearing--building up cloud cover over a period of hours. Under certain conditions, the contrails spread out; it all depends upon the environment. I have to question something here: how did you know it was the same aircraft? Now, the sky was no longer "clear" at all. It was filled with "whispy" clouds. But, there is absolutely no question as to how these "clouds" were formed--in terms of their source. The source was definitely the aircraft. Yep, that can happen with contrails. With the right lapse rate and little to no horizontal movement of the air parcel, that's what you'll see. It's been seen many time over all parts of the world on a regular basis. However, it is NOT easily dismissed, as it is NOT as "obviously explainable" as some here suggest. It is actually easily explainable. If people wish to claim that they are NOT contrails, then why don't they start by recording data such as pressure / temperature / height, wind speed / direction at various altitudes, dew point at various altitudes, what aircraft of what type travelled on what air route and when? Why don't they arrange airborne sample collection? (Ground samples are contaminated by whatever is on the ground / local industry, etc) Lastly, and most importantly, use all that data to correlate where - if the aircraft were laying some type of chemical treatment - the effective area would have been? If you are laying a spray, you'd want to be about 500 - 1500 feet above the ground for it to be accurately laid. Doing it at altitudes over 10,000 or 20,000 feet like the photos of so-called chemtrail operations show would mean the trail would be dispersed widely according to the winds at various levels, making it almost impossible to predict the effected area... that would receive a highly diluted dose from the original spray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Burnham Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Under certain conditions, the contrails spread out; it all depends upon the environment. I have to question something here: how did you know it was the same aircraft? I didn't say that it was the same aircraft. Go back and read it again. I said that it was either the same or additional aircraft. I have no way of knowing which it was--but it was one, or the other, OR both. I don't know. Edited March 12, 2011 by Greg Burnham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted March 12, 2011 Author Share Posted March 12, 2011 Yesterday was a blue sky cloud free CHEMTRAIL FREE day. Today was just the opposite. Dozens of chemtrails were laid in bizarre patterns all day by planes flying in formation, mostly parallel, and in bursts instead of long continuous lines. About sunset there were as many as 8 chemtrails parallel in the west, and I watched as the sprays quickly turned into parallel cirrus clouds. I wish I had a time-lapse capability to show the chemtrails morphing into clouds. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Knight Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Okay, here's the weather data charts for Dallas/Fort Worth area, Sunday 6th March, 2011. http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r225/lord_english/Conspiracy/1.jpg http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r225/lord_english/Conspiracy/2.jpg http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r225/lord_english/Conspiracy/3.jpg http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r225/lord_english/Conspiracy/4.jpg Not sure what good it'll do, but as we know Mr White will never even bother looking for such, and I have (remote) access to the info..... Edit : swapping uploaded images for photobucket links. As per Announcement on main section page about reduced disk space for uploads. Edited April 3, 2011 by Steve Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I have (remote) access to the info..... Thus you admit to being part of the NWO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I was quite serious that it could have been me, though. I was scheduled to fly out of DFW with a 1650 departure, but my inbound flight got delayed so I didn't get there until a little after 1700. As an aside, two people who attended the same conference as me - and who are both highly experienced aircrew members - remarked about just how busy the skies were around DFW. If you were stuck there long enough you should have called Jack for a quick beer. ;0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Knight Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I have (remote) access to the info..... Thus you admit to being part of the NWO! lol. I wish. Could do with the funds. Just my girlfriend working for the Canadian Weather Bureau (Or Met Office, or whatever they call it over there), and her world-wide contacts with people collecting, collating, and analysing the data to produce weather reports. She says it's a very boring job - sat around doing bugger-all for 50 minutes an hour, then 3 minutes collecting the data, and the rest collating and sending it on to the head office. Nice pay, though, considering how little she does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I have (remote) access to the info..... Thus you admit to being part of the NWO! lol. I wish. Could do with the funds. Just my girlfriend working for the Canadian Weather Bureau (Or Met Office, or whatever they call it over there), and her world-wide contacts with people collecting, collating, and analysing the data to produce weather reports. She says it's a very boring job - sat around doing bugger-all for 50 minutes an hour, then 3 minutes collecting the data, and the rest collating and sending it on to the head office. Nice pay, though, considering how little she does. Oh yeah, do think anyone will be convinced by your backpedaling excuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Knight Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 The truth is never an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted March 12, 2011 Author Share Posted March 12, 2011 Okay, here's the weather data charts for Dallas/Fort Worth area, Sunday 6th March, 2011. Not sure what good it'll do, but as we know Mr White will never even bother looking for such, and I have (remote) access to the info..... So? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Knight Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 The truth is never an excuse. I'd expect an obvious MIBH agent to say such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Jack is unable to read the evidence that you put before him. He has no appreciation of what it means. That has never stopped him in the past, though, so I would not expect any radical change in his beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Daman Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 (edited) Those are not CIRRUS clouds. The are all chemtrails spread out by winds aloft. The chemplanes were busy all day in an otherwise blue sky. At sunset there were many more parallel ones in the west as the sun set. Jack You have not presented any proof of that at all. As usual you make the claim, and fail to provide independent evidence. You have no qualifications in meteorology nor aviation. You haven't given any details regarding which flight it was, the altitude they were at (or passing), what the dew point was at various layers, no indication of an altitude versus temperature graph for the period you claim the image was taken, etc. As always, you have nothing. Here's a web site showing plenty of pictures of chemtrails forming into cirrus clouds .. I can't believe you really don't know about this, being a Navy pilot.. Obviously it's more important to disagree with Jack than to post the truth. http://artificialclouds.com/contrails_chemtrails_artifical_clouds.pdf Edited March 16, 2011 by Duane Daman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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