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I just tried to write you a private message but it says you can no longer recieve any more private messages..

Here is my request

I remember reading a while ago in one of your posts an estimate of how many files were still being withheld. Please correct me if I am wrong but I am sure it was you and the pages may number in the millions. I would sincerely apreciate it if you could send me the same post or a similar abreviation.

I understand your questioning me as my name is a little silly. I was born Amy-Lee Thompson. Every second girl in my school was called Amy as I grew up, so they took to calling us Amy B and Amy T. I hated being a number as such and Frances was a family name. I legally changed my name to Frankie, but my married name was Vegas. Sounds totally fake. Also on FB I use Fortune as a last name to distance myself from my ex husband. To make it worse, I kid you not, as middle names I chose Astro and seven. $151 dollars later I learnt my impulsive lesson....

Anyhow I have been reading your posts since I was 21 and always been a big fan. I would love your input. Thank you for your time and hopefully being forgiving.

Peace out, Frankie

Posted

I just tried to write you a private message but it says you can no longer recieve any more private messages..

Here is my request

I remember reading a while ago in one of your posts an estimate of how many files were still being withheld. Please correct me if I am wrong but I am sure it was you and the pages may number in the millions. I would sincerely apreciate it if you could send me the same post or a similar abreviation.

I understand your questioning me as my name is a little silly. I was born Amy-Lee Thompson. Every second girl in my school was called Amy as I grew up, so they took to calling us Amy B and Amy T. I hated being a number as such and Frances was a family name. I legally changed my name to Frankie, but my married name was Vegas. Sounds totally fake. Also on FB I use Fortune as a last name to distance myself from my ex husband. To make it worse, I kid you not, as middle names I chose Astro and seven. $151 dollars later I learnt my impulsive lesson....

Anyhow I have been reading your posts since I was 21 and always been a big fan. I would love your input. Thank you for your time and hopefully being forgiving.

Peace out, Frankie

Hey,

I don't know about the PM service. Maybe my mailbox is full. Email: bkjfk3@yahoo.com

As for numbers of records still withheld, Hartman and Waldman say millions of pages, while Rex Bradford says the records are probably less and the numbers can be refined. Some docs are thousands of pages long. Just looking at the Johnson history of NSA during the Cold War, which is reportedly over, half the book is redacted, so that gives you an idea of how they look at things.

The President's declassification program seems to be working however, and if Morley and Lesar can continue their law suit and win a few rounds that would be a psychological victory, and we hope that Congress will conduct their oversight hearings, that will bring the issues to the front page, and maybe call for an accellerated release, as Dan Alcorn has called for.

I'll try to find the post with the figures you mention.

BK

Posted

Here you go

http://jfkcountercoup.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/1100-cia-jfk-assassination-records-withheld/

1100 CIA JFK Assassination Records Withheld

By billkelly3 On November 21, 2008, in response to the Morley FOIA case, the CIA released a 75 page declaration in which they acknowledged that they have withheld 1100 assassination records, and may seek to keep them secret after the scheduled 2017 release date.

In the course of the long and drawn out legal document the CIA official, Delores Nelson also noted that among the 1100 documents, 13 of them could be related to Joannides, the subject of Jeff Morley’s FOIA case, which is now extending from years into decades.

Those 13 documents alone, says Ms. Nelson, run over 1100 pages, so the rest of the JFK assassination records still being withheld by the CIA must run into the tens of thousands of pages, not including those documents that were released with redactions.

In addition, this legal document also gives an interesting account of the “GLOMAR” response to FOIA requests, which is the now routine “neither confirm nor deny” response, which is what the Israel government and MOSSAD are now doing in response to questions regarding the Dubai assassination hit squad.

The document, which is titled, JFFFERSON MORLEY Plantiff v. CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY Defendant – DECLARATION OF DELORES M. NELSON includes a section:

IV. SEARCH OF RECORDS RELEASED TO NARA

40. The Dorn Declaration describes the JFK Act and the Assassination Records Review Board (“ARRB”) created there under. See Exhibit A PP 26-30. With the exception of approximately 1,100 documents withheld in their entirety until 2017, all of the CIA’s JFK-related documents were released in full or in part to NARA. 7.

7. The approximately 1,100 documents are located in NARA’s protected collection and will be released in 2017 unless the CIA appeals to the President to withhold their disclosure. On such an appeal, the CIA would need to argue, and the President would need to certify, that “(i) continued postponement is made necessary by an identifiable harm to the military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or conduct of foreign relations; and (ii) the identifiable harm is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in disclosure.” President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992, 44 U.S.C. S 2107 note (2000)

page 20 Nelson

page 22 “…The index search yielded thirteen documents that were potentially responsive to Plaintiff’s FOIA request. These thirteen documents totally 1,112 pages…..

59. As noted above, in conjunction with its production of the JFK-related recordspursuant to the JFK Act, the CIA previously acknowledged Joannides’ participationin two specific covert projects, operations, or assignments: JM/WAVE or JMWAVE from 1962 through 1964 and Joannides’ service as a CIA representative to the U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations from 1978 through 1979. Joannides had been undercover during both of these assignments.”

B. The CIA’s Failure to Assert a GLOMAR Response Would Damage National Security.

61. In a typical response to a FOIA request, the CIA’s answer, either to provide or not provide records sought, in effect confirms the existence or non-existence of CIA records. Typically, this confirmation neither threatens the national security nor reveals intelligence sources and methods. The response focuses on releasing or withholding specific substantive information and the fact that the CIA possesses or does not possess records is not itself a classified fact. However, when the fact that the CIA possesses or does not possess records is itself classified and reasonably could reveal intelligence sources, methods and activities, the CIA cannot confirm that it possesses such information. On the other hand, the CIA also may not deny the Court or in legal proceedings that it does not have responsive records when it in fact does. Thus, the CIA’s only permissible alternative is to neither confirm nor deny the existence or nonexistence of responsive records. Such a “neither confirm nor deny” response is called a GLOMAR response. 10.

10. The CIA asserted a GLOMAR response over the unacknowledged time periods in this case because Joannides’ participation in covert projects, operations, or assignments during these unacknowledged time periods would itself be classified.

Footnote: 10. The “GLOMAR” term comes from the case Phillippi v. CIA. 546 F.2d 1009(DC Cir. 1976, which upheld the CIA’s use of the “neither confirm nor deny” response to a FOIA request for records concerning the CIA’s reported contacts with the media regarding the Hughes GLOMAR Explorer.

Page 32

21 November 2008

Delores M. Nelson

Chief Public Information Programs Division

Central intelligence Agency

Posted

Thank you so much, I really appreciate your help.

I have also been noting down all of the page numbers that Dr Burkley is mentioned on in IARRB. Would you like me to email them to you for your expanded contents?

Thanks again.

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