Greg Parker Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t153-earlham The non-pacifism of Mid-Western Quakers and the possible link between Ruth Paine and Von Peacock, acting director of the Casa de los Amigos in Mexico City at the time of the FBI "search" for "Steve Kennan". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 http://reopenkennedy...et/t153-earlham The non-pacifism of Mid-Western Quakers and the possible link between Ruth Paine and Von Peacock, acting director of the Casa de los Amigos in Mexico City at the time of the FBI "search" for "Steve Kennan". Agreed, as there seems to be a connection between Ruth Paine and Von Peacock and a connection that was never questioned or investigated. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed LeDoux Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I feel this link to "Oswald's Quaker connection in New Orleans and Mexico City" would help others not up to speed on the Philly and Mexico stuff. http://quixoticjoust.blogspot.com/2011/08/oswalds-quaker-connection-in-new.html and this thread will help also: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6548&pid=201372&st=45entry201372 Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted September 17, 2011 Author Share Posted September 17, 2011 I feel this link to "Oswald's Quaker connection in New Orleans and Mexico City" would help others not up to speed on the Philly and Mexico stuff. http://quixoticjoust...ion-in-new.html and this thread will help also: http://educationforu...45 Ed Thanks, Ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed LeDoux Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Welcome Greg. Looking forward to what you have put together. Thanks to Bill, he has done some excellent work on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I feel this link to "Oswald's Quaker connection in New Orleans and Mexico City" would help others not up to speed on the Philly and Mexico stuff. http://quixoticjoust...ion-in-new.html and this thread will help also: http://educationforu...45 Ed Ed, thanks for posting this Quixotie article, and while Linda Minor is a great researcher, I resent the hijacking of my article and reposting it with the insertion of JVB's comments and the assertion that I have ignored her book. I have two copies of her book and think its all very interesting, but there's nothing in there that can't be better referenced elsewhere, especially the info about Dr. Klopfer and his wife and daughters, one of whom Greg Parker interviewed. Chopping up my article and polluting it with the BS from JVB is very irritating and unnecessary. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted September 17, 2011 Author Share Posted September 17, 2011 I feel this link to "Oswald's Quaker connection in New Orleans and Mexico City" would help others not up to speed on the Philly and Mexico stuff. http://quixoticjoust...ion-in-new.html and this thread will help also: http://educationforu...45 Ed Ed, thanks for posting this Quixotie article, and while Linda Minor is a great researcher, I resent the hijacking of my article and reposting it with the insertion of JVB's comments and the assertion that I have ignored her book. I have two copies of her book and think its all very interesting, but there's nothing in there that can't be better referenced elsewhere, especially the info about Dr. Klopfer and his wife and daughters, one of whom Greg Parker interviewed. Chopping up my article and polluting it with the BS from JVB is very irritating and unnecessary. BK Bill, everyone who is interested in this area of research owes a debt of gratitude to you for your work. It is certainly what inspired my own digging. As for Linda, don't be too hard on her... fair use and all that. It's a fact if you make your work readily available, it may end up being used in to support all manner of theories and ideas that you personally don't support - or flat out flat out find offensive - I know. Someone once asked a question here regarding who a certain person might have been. I made a speculative guess... which is now all over the internet supporting a Jewish conspiracy.... with my name attached. The worst part is, I discovered my speculation was wrong. It's now on too many websites to write to them all. A few things need clearing up in regard to Linda's article. The New Orleans Council for Peaceful Alternatives was not a quaker group. It was started by a Jewish professor from all Black college. The only Quakers involved were Warner Kloepfer and Daughter Ruth. Everything Judyth has about the Kloepfers has come from me or from her own research. Very early in the saga, she asked for researchers to test her by sending questions to her via Martin. I sent a question about something I knew that was not in the records. In my interview with Dr Ruth Peters (the former Ruth Kloepfer) she told me that Oswald had given her a small Russian joke book to help her practice. On further questioning, she said that the FBI took the book when they came and interviewed her mother, and returned it several weeks later. This episode is not mentioned in any document that I ever seen (and I have looked extensively for a trace of it). Judyth's reply was a guess based on what IS in the records - Krokodil - a Russian satirical magazine. Moreover, she was very vague about the Kloepfers themselves and obviously knew nothing about them beyond the brief mentions in Ruth Paine's testimony. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. After all, that she did not know about the book could just mean Oswald never mentioned it to her. I shared research with Judyth after that and she was enormously helpful in the kind of research I was doing at the time, mainly on medical / operational medical issues. We became close enough that I even offered for her to come to Australia and stay with me at a time she was claiming to feel unsafe in the US. She began to lose me because of two issues: firstly, the sheer volume of her emails and that she expected replies to every single one - despite having explained to her I just didn't have the time to do that - the other issue was the more telling. I began to notice she was slowly working Warner Kloepfer into her own story - and the final version of that can be seen in Linda's article. Her thoughts on "Steve/Larry Kennan/Keenan", while looking reasonable based on what is in the records and in various books, is actually way off the mark in just about every respect. I bear Judyth no ill will, but my own research has, in the intervening years, moved on leaving no room for her version of events. ------------------ I don't want this to turn into another Judythathon, so that is the end of Judyth discussion on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) I feel this link to "Oswald's Quaker connection in New Orleans and Mexico City" would help others not up to speed on the Philly and Mexico stuff. http://quixoticjoust...ion-in-new.html and this thread will help also: http://educationforu...45 Ed Ed, thanks for posting this Quixotie article, and while Linda Minor is a great researcher, I resent the hijacking of my article and reposting it with the insertion of JVB's comments and the assertion that I have ignored her book. I have two copies of her book and think its all very interesting, but there's nothing in there that can't be better referenced elsewhere, especially the info about Dr. Klopfer and his wife and daughters, one of whom Greg Parker interviewed. Chopping up my article and polluting it with the BS from JVB is very irritating and unnecessary. BK Bill, everyone who is interested in this area of research owes a debt of gratitude to you for your work. It is certainly what inspired my own digging. As for Linda, don't be too hard on her... fair use and all that. It's a fact if you make your work readily available, it may end up being used in to support all manner of theories and ideas that you personally don't support - or flat out flat out find offensive - I know. Someone once asked a question here regarding who a certain person might have been. I made a speculative guess... which is now all over the internet supporting a Jewish conspiracy.... with my name attached. The worst part is, I discovered my speculation was wrong. It's now on too many websites to write to them all. A few things need clearing up in regard to Linda's article. The New Orleans Council for Peaceful Alternatives was not a quaker group. It was started by a Jewish professor from all Black college. The only Quakers involved were Warner Kloepfer and Daughter Ruth. Everything Judyth has about the Kloepfers has come from me or from her own research. Very early in the saga, she asked for researchers to test her by sending questions to her via Martin. I sent a question about something I knew that was not in the records. In my interview with Dr Ruth Peters (the former Ruth Kloepfer) she told me that Oswald had given her a small Russian joke book to help her practice. On further questioning, she said that the FBI took the book when they came and interviewed her mother, and returned it several weeks later. This episode is not mentioned in any document that I ever seen (and I have looked extensively for a trace of it). Judyth's reply was a guess based on what IS in the records - Krokodil - a Russian satirical magazine. Moreover, she was very vague about the Kloepfers themselves and obviously knew nothing about them beyond the brief mentions in Ruth Paine's testimony. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. After all, that she did not know about the book could just mean Oswald never mentioned it to her. I shared research with Judyth after that and she was enormously helpful in the kind of research I was doing at the time, mainly on medical / operational medical issues. We became close enough that I even offered for her to come to Australia and stay with me at a time she was claiming to feel unsafe in the US. She began to lose me because of two issues: firstly, the sheer volume of her emails and that she expected replies to every single one - despite having explained to her I just didn't have the time to do that - the other issue was the more telling. I began to notice she was slowly working Warner Kloepfer into her own story - and the final version of that can be seen in Linda's article. Her thoughts on "Steve/Larry Kennan/Keenan", while looking reasonable based on what is in the records and in various books, is actually way off the mark in just about every respect. I bear Judyth no ill will, but my own research has, in the intervening years, moved on leaving no room for her version of events. ------------------ I don't want this to turn into another Judythathon, so that is the end of Judyth discussion on my part. I hear you Greg. I just don't know why such a good researcher as Linda would buy into JVB when there are other more reliable sources for everything she says. What became of Von Peacock? Edited September 17, 2011 by William Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed LeDoux Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Ed, thanks for posting this Quixotie article, and while Linda Minor is a great researcher, I resent the hijacking of my article and reposting it with the insertion of JVB's comments and the assertion that I have ignored her book. I have two copies of her book and think its all very interesting, but there's nothing in there that can't be better referenced elsewhere, especially the info about Dr. Klopfer and his wife and daughters, one of whom Greg Parker interviewed. Chopping up my article and polluting it with the BS from JVB is very irritating and unnecessary. BK Sorry Bill! A bit of chaff got in with the wheat. I was going to post the link to the article on JFKcountercoup: http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2011/08/philly-quakers-with-oswald-in-mexico.html But it was dated the 28th of Aug and the Quixotic one pre-dated it, 12th of Aug so I chose the earlier work, it also had the books of reference which would aide those interested in reading them. Again did not mean to throw a JVB into this, not my intention. Thanks, Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed LeDoux Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 My amends. "Philadelphia Quakers With Oswald in Mexico City" http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/28th_issue/quakers.html and "The Man on the Motorcycle in Mexico City" http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2011/08/man-on-motorcycle-in-mexico-city.html This link has history and genealogy. A book by Myers documents the Irish Quakers coming onto Philly 1682-1750. http://net.lib.byu.edu/fslab/researchoutlines/NonGeographic/Quaker.pdf References include: Hoyt, Edwin P., THE NIXONS - AN AMERICAN FAMILY: HBBL CS7l.N741972 More on Nixon as a Quaker: http://www.kimopress.com/nixon.html The best part of it where Hiss says "I am familiar with the law. I attended Harvard Law School. I believe yours was Whittier." Will search for Von further when I get time...may try contacting a relative. This has the genealogical references: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~peacockmoltrer/fam00317.htm Von and Ruth (Winterbottom) had a child in Mexico, one "Kim Albert Peacock". Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed LeDoux Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Kim Albert Peacock Kim Albert Peacock Greenwood, IN Age: 46 Previous addresses: 1 Address In Greenwood 1 Address In Union City 1 Address In Oakton 2 Addresses In Arlington 2 Addresses In Alexandria 1 Address In Durham Relatives: Janis B Peacock and Von E Peacock ______________________________________ Von E Peacock Addresses: 5 Addresses in San Antonio TX 1 Address in New Bedford MA Relatives: Ruth Peacock Delores Peacock Debbie Peacock ______________________________________ Janis Peacock Addresses: 5 Addresses in Nevada City CA 4 Addresses in Orlando FL Relatives: Virgil Peacock Kim Peacock Jean Peacock Elizabeth Peacock Julian Peacock Bonnie Peacock Brittney Copelan Alison Cardoso Cara Bright _______________________________________ Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 More from Stig: The intelligence background on Tujague Inc. http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t155-adolfo-hegewisch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hogan Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 More from Stig: The intelligence background on Tujague Inc. http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t155-adolfo-hegewisch From that link: Hegewisch was also a promoter of New Orleans as a port. Shortly after WW II, he was one of the founders, and an early president, of International House, an institution designed to encourage – especially -- Latin American countries to expand their exports through the port of New Orleans. Founded partly by Rockefeller money, International House undoubtedly served a clandestine purpose as well, being ideally situated, as it was, for the gathering of intelligence regarding Latin America. At any rate, in his capacity as president, Hegewisch extended his acquaintances with numerous businessmen and officials in Latin American countries, including presidents and dictators, whom he regularly hosted at International House. In his book New Orleans on Parade, Jonathan Souther wrote about the formation of the International House. At the bottom of page 23, he notes that the same boosters that founded the International House, with the financial backing of the New Orleans-based Pan American Life Insurance Company, opened the International Trade Mart in 1948. http://books.google.com/books?id=j8RjmAdbz4MC&pg=PA20&dq=new+orleans+on+parade+bavarian+native&hl=en&ei=7dt3Tuf2HMK2tgeoqp2vDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false According to Rosemary James and Jack Wardlaw, Clay Shaw was appointed acting director of the International House in September of 1956. (Plot or Politics, page 56) Jim Garrison had an assistant DA by the name of William Martin. According to Bill Davy, Martin was a formal contact and source for the CIA during his tenure at the International House in 1964-65. (Let Justice Be Done, page 146) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 More from Stig: The intelligence background on Tujague Inc. http://reopenkennedy...dolfo-hegewisch From that link: Hegewisch was also a promoter of New Orleans as a port. Shortly after WW II, he was one of the founders, and an early president, of International House, an institution designed to encourage – especially -- Latin American countries to expand their exports through the port of New Orleans. Founded partly by Rockefeller money, International House undoubtedly served a clandestine purpose as well, being ideally situated, as it was, for the gathering of intelligence regarding Latin America. At any rate, in his capacity as president, Hegewisch extended his acquaintances with numerous businessmen and officials in Latin American countries, including presidents and dictators, whom he regularly hosted at International House. In his book New Orleans on Parade, Jonathan Souther wrote about the formation of the International House. At the bottom of page 23, he notes that the same boosters that founded the International House, with the financial backing of the New Orleans-based Pan American Life Insurance Company, opened the International Trade Mart in 1948. http://books.google....epage&q&f=false According to Rosemary James and Jack Wardlaw, Clay Shaw was appointed acting director of the International House in September of 1956. (Plot or Politics, page 56) Jim Garrison had an assistant DA by the name of William Martin. According to Bill Davy, Martin was a formal contact and source for the CIA during his tenure at the International House in 1964-65. (Let Justice Be Done, page 146) When I first started researching the CIA ties to the Catherwood Foundation of Philadelphia, I noticed a number of connections with International House, which today still operates at the University of Pennsylvania. There was also a connection with the Pan Am Society, which co-sponsored, with the Catherwood Foundation, a conference of Cuban exile journalists at the University of Maimi during the summer of 1963. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now