DEPOPULATION - what elites want -

[Evan Burton]

Oh – I forgot to answer your question regarding the double blind trials.

First off, you obviously just read what you wanted to, because the questions was answered:

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/1276/has-any-peer-reviewed-double-blind-study-been-made-on-any-vaccine-regarding-effi

and

http://www.skepticalob.com/2009/10/latest-argument-of-vaccine.html

and

http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0010033

and

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10493337

and

http://www.lancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(96)06255-1/abstract

Amazing what you can find if you actually search for it.

[Steven Gaal]

So, Steven: where exactly did I say: "I want governments to read all e-mails"? The worst I said was "First off, I don't really have a problem with most forms of surveillance when it comes to security." Once more you demonstrate that you are incapable of rational debate. People say one thing and you claim they said something else.

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What a dishonestly generous interpretation of your response. The thrust of your statement is so few people are internet savey,

"If we expand that throughout Australia, and factor in areas where internet access is just a government promise, I think it would be fair to say that at least 10-15% of Australians would not "fall prey" to the surveillance you claim is so pervasive."(BURTON),they dont fall prey to surveillance.

No disproval of monitoring emails, "I don't really have a problem with most forms of surveillance"(Burton). There is no caveat re monitoring for security purposes.

ITS ALL EMAILS.

MOMITORING EMAILS , ITS ALL GOOD PER BURTON !!!! Gaal

[Steven Gaal]

Oh – I forgot to answer your question regarding the double blind trials.

First off, you obviously just read what you wanted to, because the questions was answered:

http://skeptics.stac...-regarding-effi

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HUH ??

GUESS YOU DIDNT READ BOTTOM OF LINK (Gaal)

That's not a study. It doesn't even contain the keywords study or peer-review – user1043 Mar 24 '11 at 18:48 1

@Daniel, it's a summary of the polio vaccine and does discuss the studies used to validate it. – Russell Steen Mar 24 '11 at 19:50

It doesn't reference any of the claims it makes. It isn't peer-reviewed. It doesn't contain any data. Some points for being published by a museum, I guess, but the OP asks for actual gold-standard studies. – Oddthinking Jul 25 '11 at 18:01

and point 2 IF THE FDA STUDIES IT ,IT DOESNT MEAN ITS PEER REVIEWED. OR EVEN HONEST ,THE FDA VERY VERY CORRUPT.(Gaal)

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POINT 3

Amy Tuteur, MD

Dr. Amy Tuteur is an obstetrician gynecologist. She received her undergraduate degree from Harvard College in 1979 and her medical degree from Boston University School of Medicine in 1984. Dr. Tuteur is a former clinical instructor at Harvard Medical School. She left the practice of medicine to raise her four children. Her book, How Your Baby Is Born, an illustrated guide to pregnancy, labor and delivery was published by Ziff-Davis Press in 1994. She can be reached at DrAmy5 at aol dot com.

GOLLY NOT VIRIOLOGIST ,THUS NOT QUAILFIED TO SPEAK ON ISSUE (PER COLBY ARGUMENTS)

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LOL,Sorry Charlie (per Colby)

Edited March 30, 2013 by Steven Gaal

[John Dolva]

I'm somewhat inclined to start a thread to present my opinions on matters covered by this thread but I can't be bothered at the moment. I agree with this that and the other but not all of anything. IMO the real issue is not 'vaxxers'' and ''anti vaxxers'' or ''anti anti vaxxers'' for that matter.

Health (except in a few countries, like Cuba for example) is dependent on economics more than a dependence on providing people with quality health care as a principle or a matter of basic human rights.

There is a measure of expediency in vaccination that does not deal with root causes of many illnesses. This is not an argument against vaccination.

There is no doubt that many consider the world overpopulated and it's reasonable to think that there are people who like that to be otherwise. I don't think the world is overpopulated. I think the wiorlds resources are wrongly managed.

Time after time countries with zero population growth come into being. This naturally happens when women have equal rights.

Cuba is one of the latest examples.

Countries with serious population problems also tend to be those with less human rights. It seems counterintuitive to lessen himan rights in order to achieve that which greater human rights naturally resolves. this then ties philosophically into the arguments on acquired immunity, natural or otherwise.

For me, both 'sides' are wrong and both 'sides' are right, in part.

This to me indicates that the health of a population has very much to do with human rights. This provides an odd crossover to various anti vaxxination stances. This is also why as an educational tool it is necessary to have these discussions but not where one 'side' fights with the other 'side'. Then it's just propaganda that begs uninformed to have an opinion without being informed.

[Steven Gaal]

• JOHN ,VACCINATION SHOULD BE A INFORMED FREE CHOICE AS ALL MEDICAL DECISIONS SHOULD BE (LIKE BIRTH CONTROL)
  

WE all should agree om this.

• BTW ,Perez Diaz R, et al, "[Post-vaccinal Pericarditis. Report of 2 Cases]", Rev Cuba Med, 1:49-54, Jul-Aug 1962.
  
• THE FDA IS A VERY CORRUPT ORGANIZATION, PLENTY OF INTERNET INFORMATION ON THIS.
  
• VACCINE MANUFACTURERS VERY CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS,PLENTY OF INTERNET INFORMATION ON THIS.
  
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LINK TO MAKE INFORMED VACCINE CHOICE

http://thinktwice.com/

Edited March 30, 2013 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

There is no doubt that many consider the world overpopulated and it's reasonable to think that there are people who like that to be otherwise. I don't think the world is overpopulated. I think the wiorlds resources are wrongly managed.

Time after time countries with zero population growth come into being. This naturally happens when women have equal rights.

Cuba is one of the latest examples.

Countries with serious population problems also tend to be those with less human rights. It seems counterintuitive to lessen himan rights in order to achieve that which greater human rights naturally resolves. this then ties philosophically into the arguments on acquired immunity, natural or otherwise.

Careful John comments like the underlined ones above are likely to get accused of being a fake left gatekeeper for the evil NWO.

As for the non-underlined portion I agree and disagree, maintaining our planet healthy with so many people is not as easy as you seem to imagine, especially in underdeveloped countries. For example one of the most serious problems is sewage treatment which is very expensive and very difficult to install post-hoc. Providing enough water is another related problem.

[Len Colby]

• JOHN ,VACCINATION SHOULD BE A INFORMED FREE CHOICE AS ALL MEDICAL DECISIONS SHOULD BE (LIKE BIRTH CONTROL)
  

WE all should agree om this.

• BTW ,Perez Diaz R, et al, "[Post-vaccinal Pericarditis. Report of 2 Cases]", Rev Cuba Med, 1:49-54, Jul-Aug 1962.
  
• THE FDA IS A VERY CORRUPT ORGANIZATION, PLENTY OF INTERNET INFORMATION ON THIS.
  
• VACCINE MANUFACTURERS VERY CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS,PLENTY OF INTERNET INFORMATION ON THIS.
  
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LINK TO MAKE INFORMED VACCINE CHOICE

http://thinktwice.com/

The problem is that when unvaccinated people become infected they become a risk to others, should drinking and driving be an "informed choice"? And in CA the children of parents who can present a note from any doctor or nurse that they have been appraised of the pros and cons can enroll at public schools.

[Len Colby]

Oh – I forgot to answer your question regarding the double blind trials.

First off, you obviously just read what you wanted to, because the questions was answered:

http://skeptics.stac...-regarding-effi

++++++++++++++++

HUH ??

GUESS YOU DIDNT READ BOTTOM OF LINK (Gaal)

That's not a study. It doesn't even contain the keywords study or peer-review – user1043 Mar 24 '11 at 18:48 1

@Daniel, it's a summary of the polio vaccine and does discuss the studies used to validate it. – Russell Steen Mar 24 '11 at 19:50

It doesn't reference any of the claims it makes. It isn't peer-reviewed. It doesn't contain any data. Some points for being published by a museum, I guess, but the OP asks for actual gold-standard studies. – Oddthinking Jul 25 '11 at 18:01

and point 2 IF THE FDA STUDIES IT ,IT DOESNT MEAN ITS PEER REVIEWED. OR EVEN HONEST ,THE FDA VERY VERY CORRUPT.(Gaal)

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POINT 3

Amy Tuteur, MD

Dr. Amy Tuteur is an obstetrician gynecologist. She received her undergraduate degree from Harvard College in 1979 and her medical degree from Boston University School of Medicine in 1984. Dr. Tuteur is a former clinical instructor at Harvard Medical School. She left the practice of medicine to raise her four children. Her book, How Your Baby Is Born, an illustrated guide to pregnancy, labor and delivery was published by Ziff-Davis Press in 1994. She can be reached at DrAmy5 at aol dot com.

GOLLY NOT VIRIOLOGIST ,THUS NOT QUAILFIED TO SPEAK ON ISSUE (PER COLBY ARGUMENTS)

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LOL,Sorry Charlie (per Colby)

OK now deal with the rest of Evan's links. Ironic you should complain about Tutuer because you cited a paper written by a computer scientist and an automated production expert

[John Dolva]

People may accuse me of whatever they like. Nothing to do with me.

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''expensive'' is the key word.

[Len Colby]

People may accuse me of whatever they like. Nothing to do with me.

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''expensive'' is the key word.

I agree but even in the 'Socialist Paradise' it takes money to get stuff done.

[John Dolva]

No, in a socialist paradise there is not. That's a given. However there is no such thing. It's an ideal only theorised about in a world where the working class dictates to the capitalist class instead of the other way aound.

It is possible to choose how to target resources. That is an option available for all. Some are more ethical about it than others. I've noticed socialist couhtries have a greater tendency to do so.

[Steven Gaal]

60 diseases and adverse reactions associated with the hepatitis B vaccination

http://www.examiner.com/list/60-diseases-and-adverse-reactions-associated-with-the-hepatitis-b-vaccination

[Len Colby]

60 diseases and adverse reactions associated with the hepatitis B vaccination

http://www.examiner....s-b-vaccination

The Examiner citing Mercola? Get back to us with a reliable source. As for Dr. Orient she is associated with the extremist AAPS, she cited "an independent review of the VAERS [CDC] data" that presumably was carried out by her group but was not made available by Mercola. It begs the question because it compares the hepatitis risk of the general population most/many have been vaccinated.

[Len Colby]

No, in a socialist paradise there is not. That's a given. However there is no such thing. It's an ideal only theorised about in a world where the working class dictates to the capitalist class instead of the other way aound.

It is possible to choose how to target resources. That is an option available for all. Some are more ethical about it than others. I've noticed socialist couhtries have a greater tendency to do so.

Which countries do you consider socialist?

[Evan Burton]

John,

Do you remember Dana McCaffery? She was born in a NSW area where the AVN (anti-vax group) was prevalent. Parents stopped getting vaccinations, herd immunity was lost in that area and there was an outbreak of pertussis - whopping cough FFS! In this day and age, whooping cough broke out in NSW! Little Dana was only 32 days old and thus too young to be vaccinated.

She died from pertussis.

This is what happens when people don't get vaccinated: people die.

In 15 or 20 years, my own immune system is going to be weakened and I won't be able to fight off diseases like this. My only defence against them is herd immunity, so that the disease cannot take hold in the community in the first place. This means we should be aiming for a vaccination rate of 90% or preferably more.

This will also affect you - you'll have to rely on herd immunity, so you have a dog in this fight too.