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Has there been any independent confirmation of the effectiveness of the vaccines?

What do you think, Len?

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The Global Polio Eradication Initiative: “New Technology” used to Locate Children for Polio Vaccinations

By Timothy Alexander Guzman

Global Research, March 05, 2013

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Bill Gates of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg were interviewed on Charlie Rose on February 28th, 2013 that mainly focused on the Global Polio Eradication Initiative and how “new approaches” to their agenda can be utilized. Bill Gates along with Michael Bloomberg has contributed large sums of money to numerous causes such as the Global Polio Eradication Initiative originally launched in 1988 by the World Health Organization (WHO), Rotary International, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF).Bill Gates has been in the forefront for the depopulation agenda which he publically stated in 2010 during a conference for TED (Technology, Entertainment and Design) that “The world today has 6.8 billion people… that’s headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.” The Charlie Rose interview was an indication on how new technological advances can possibly help them vaccinate the majority of children in the Third World including Nigeria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other countries throughout Africa. The technology used to track children for vaccinations is dangerous. It sets the precedence to target children in many Third World countries. Charlie Rose asked Bill Gates about the “New Approaches” used in the process:

Charlie Rose: You mentioned the five or a six year plan the new initiative has learning from old lessons and therefore, coming up with new approaches. What are the new approaches?

Bill Gates: Well, we’re able to use new technology like satellite photos to see are there people moving around, nomadic roots. You know we see if when we go out to get all the children, if there’s some settlement areas that we’ve actually missed. We also put a – – a phone in the vaccine box they carry around that looks where they’re located every three minutes and so it has that GPS data. At the end of the day you plug that in and compare it to where they were asked to go, and you can see if you’re – you’re really covering all the kids.

The “New Technology” used to locate children to administer vaccinations is a method that will be introduced to many countries targeted for depopulation. It is a scenario that poses a threat to humanity. The Polio vaccine has contributed to the more deadly ‘Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis (NPAFP)’. NPAFP is not any different from polio paralysis, but it is twice as dangerous.

In an article titled “Study: Polio vaccine campaign in India has caused 12-fold increase in deadly paralysis condition” by alternative health website naturalnews.com staff writer Ethan A. Huff reported that:

“The mainstream media has been busy hailing the supposed success of India’s polio vaccine campaign over the past few years, with many news outlets now claiming that the disease has been fully eradicated throughout the country. But what these misinformation puppets are failing to disclose is the fact that cases of non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP), a much more serious condition than that caused by polio, have skyrocketed as a result of the vaccine’s widespread administration”

What the polio vaccine has done was increase a more severe condition called non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP).

In 2011, for instance, the year in which India was declared to be polio-free, there were 47,500 known cases of NPAFP, which is a shockingly high figure under the circumstances. And based on data collected from India’s National Polio Surveillance Project, cases of NPAFP across India rose dramatically in direct proportion to the number of polio vaccines administered, which suggests that the vaccines were responsible for spurring the rapid spread of this deadly condition.

Not only has NPAFP increased 12 times due to the Polio Vaccine campaign, the cost to India increased 100 times more than the original amount as well. Huff wrote:

According to the IJME report, the entire polio vaccine scam in India was spawned from initial grants made by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and various other groups that claimed the program would eventually pay off. But the overall costs once India started paying for the program quickly ballooned to more than 100 times the initial investment amount, with more than $2.5 billion and counting still being funneled into it.

The Global Polio Eradication Initiative is a fraud. But more importantly, it is a dangerous step towards forced inoculations by the global elites who claim that their philanthropies are supposed to help people. Overall, it sets a dangerous path towards an Orwellian society that will be monitored and targeted for vaccinations that do more harm than good. The ultimate goal is depopulation, not saving populations.

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The Global Polio Eradication Initiative: “New Technology” used to Locate Children for Polio Vaccinations

By Timothy Alexander Guzman

Global Research, March 05, 2013

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Bill Gates of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg were interviewed on Charlie

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Yawn the same Bill Gates quote taken out of context, I've lost track of all times you've posted it or essays containing it, I only skimmed but the rest seems to be filler except for a cited article titled “Study: Polio vaccine campaign in India has caused 12-fold increase in deadly paralysis condition” which in turn cited an article from the so called Office of Medical & Scientific Justice (really just one guy who thinks HIV does NOT cause AIDS) which in turn cited a paper from the obscure Indian Journal of Medical Ethics. But neither the OMSJ nor the IJME accused any one of intentionally increasing the rate of NPAFP, the other disease. Neither source how much polio was reduced by the vaccination campaign. And the IJME only claimed that

Nationally, the non-polio AFP rate is now 12 times higher than expected. In the states of Uttar Pradesh (UP) and Bihar, which have pulse polio rounds nearly every month, the non-polio AFP rate is 25- and 35-fold higher than the international norms...The international incidence of non-polio AFP is said to be 1 to 2/100,000 in the populations under 15 (32, 33). The benchmark of good surveillance is the ability to detect one case of AFP per 100,000 children even in the absence of polio

In other words they are not comparing NPAFP rates to what they were before the vaccination campaign but rather to what the international rate “is said to be”

There are more serious problems with the paper, the most contentious claims are sourced to papers written by the authors Neetu Vashisht and Jacob Puliyel. Unfortunately they are dishonest for example they wrote: “It has been reported in the Lancet that the incidence of AFP,especially non-polio AFP has increased exponentially in India after a high potency polio vaccine was introduced (25).” But the cited source was not a paper published by the journal but rather a letter to the editor written by Puliyel and two others and worse the letter writers only claimed “Data from Uttar Pradesh (where Grassly and colleagues show improved vaccine efficacy) show an increase in the incidence of non-polio acute flaccid paralysis since the introduction of the monovalent vaccine” Note India vs. a single state and an “exponential” increase vs. an unspecified one. Puliyel misquoted himself. Even worse the cited document actually shows a decree in AFP in India and Uttar Pradesh it shows Polio having decreased almost 15X from 1934 cases in 1998 to 136 in 2004, 157 cases of AFP in February 2004 but only 101 in February 2005, annualized AFP rates of 5.71 for Uttar Pradesh and 3.23 for India as a whole compared to 5.85 and 2.59 for 2005 (extrapolated from Jan, – Feb.). While there was a slight (2.5%) increase in AFP for Uttar Pradesh NP AFP decreased sharply (42.3) from 5.25 to 3.03

http://www.omsj.org/reports/Puliyel%202012.pdf

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(07)61075-7/fulltext

http://web.archive.org/web/20050304235534/http://www.npspindia.org/bulletin.pdf

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I wrote : What do you think, Len?

Sorry for not getting back until now. I misunderstood, thought that was a sarcastic rhetorical question rather than a sincere one. I doubt there was independent confirmation because I did not see any mention of it.

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I think initiall one will have to follow relevant medical abstracts.

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:) Have you considered you were suspicious before ? If so, why do you think that is?
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By Dr. Mercola

If you listen to mainstream media news, you'll be told that polio has now been eradicated in India – an accomplishment the Polio Global Eradication Initiative (PGEI), founded in 1988 by the World Health Organization (WHO), Rotary International, UNICEF, and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), are attributing to the intense polio vaccination campaign.

The Indian government reportedly had 2.3 million vaccine administrators visit over 200 million households, with oral polio vaccinations given to nearly 170 million children 5 years of age and younger;1 health officials are now doubling their efforts to conquer polio in Pakistan as well.

What you're NOT learning from the mainstream media, however, is that there's a growing public movement fighting the profound misinformation about these OPV campaigns being conducted repeatedly among children in India and other nations. One recent published paper has suggested that increased administration of OPV doses among children in India is associated with increases in Accute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP), which is as crippling and deadly as wild type polio paralysis.. ..

Polio Vaccine Campaigns and Increases In Deadly Polio-Like Disease in Children

A paper published earlier this year in the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics should have made headlines around the globe, as it estimated there were 47,500 cases of a polio-like condition linked to children in India receiving repeated doses of oral polio vaccine in 2011 alone. The incidence of non-polio Accute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP) in India is now 12 times higher than expected and coincides with huge increases in OPV doses being given to children in the quest to “eradicate” wild type polio infection and paralysis.

Researchers reported:2

"…while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere [First, do no harm] was violated."

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http://news.yahoo.co...6--finance.html

Insight: Evidence grows for narcolepsy link to GSK swine flu shot

By Kate Kelland, Health and Science Correspondent | Reuters – Tue, Jan 22, 2013

TOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Emelie Olsson is plagued by hallucinations and nightmares. When she wakes up, she's often paralyzed, unable to breathe properly or call for help. During the day she can barely stay awake, and often misses school or having fun with friends. She is only 14, but at times she has wondered if her life is worth living.

Emelie is one of around 800 children in Sweden and elsewhere in Europe who developed narcolepsy, an incurable sleep disorder, after being immunized with the Pandemrix H1N1 swine flu vaccine made by British drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline in 2009.

Finland, Norway, Ireland and France have seen spikes in narcolepsy cases, too, and people familiar with the results of a soon-to-be-published study in Britain have told Reuters it will show a similar pattern in children there.

Their fate, coping with an illness that all but destroys normal life, is developing into what the health official who coordinated Sweden's vaccination campaign calls a "medical tragedy" that will demand rising scientific and medical attention.

Europe's drugs regulator has ruled Pandemrix should no longer be used in people aged under 20. The chief medical officer at GSK's vaccines division, Norman Begg, says his firm views the issue extremely seriously and is "absolutely committed to getting to the bottom of this", but adds there is not yet enough data or evidence to suggest a causal link.

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A couple more things. Mandatory vaccines and vaccines don't cause autism?

http://www.calwatchd...nes-now-ca-law/

http://vactruth.com/...causing-autism/

Court Awards $969,474.91 for MMR Vaccine Causing Boy’s Autism

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These articles and the facts basically speak for themselves. If the vaccines were so safe before and definitely can't, don't, and never did cause autism spectrum disorder because they are so safe then why are vaccines causing narcolepsy and paralysis now?

In other words, if the vaccine makers still don't know what they hell they are doing, why would anyone assume that they knew what they were doing ten or twenty years ago?

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AFP/INDIA NEED FOR A DEEPER LOOK,Gaal

Polio free does not mean paralysis free

N. GOPAL RAJ

There is no room for complacency that India has eliminated this crippling disease as Uttar Pradesh and Bihar have recorded a high incidence of a condition symptomatic of it

For the entire article please visit:

http://www.thehindu....icle4266043.ece

Identifying children who suddenly display muscle weakness, often not moving one or more of their limbs as a result, forms the cornerstone of polio surveillance. Such children could have “acute flaccid paralysis” (AFP) that is symptomatic of polio, a disease caused by a virus. But AFP can also arise for other reasons, including infection by non-polio pathogens.

No child in India has been diagnosed with polio for nearly two years now and all the indications are that the virus responsible for it is no longer circulating here. However, the country’s polio surveillance system has indicated a sharp increase during recent years in the number of non-polio AFP cases.

Alarming data

Data published by the World Health Organisation show that close to 8,000 non-polio AFP cases were identified in India during 2003. They went up to over 12,000 the following year, more than 26,000 in 2005 and crossed 40,000 by 2007. In 2011, there were more than 60,000 non-polio AFP cases.

A good polio surveillance system ought to pick up all AFP cases among children so that they can be screened for poliovirus infection. On average, only about one child out of every 200 children carrying the poliovirus develops AFP. Such cases must be identified so that appropriate immunisation measures can be undertaken.

India’s polio surveillance shows that the country is polio-free. But it also indicates that the country now has the world’s highest rate of non-polio AFP cases. According to data published in WHO’s Weekly Epidemiological Record, India’s annualised non-polio AFP rate for 2011 stood at 15.06 per one lakh children below 15 years of age, compared to a global rate that year of 5.48.

Moreover, most of the country’s non-polio AFP cases occur in just two States — Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. They accounted for about 61 per cent of the 53,000-odd non-polio AFP cases identified in the country in 2012, according to data from WHO’s National Polio Surveillance Project. As a result, the two States have far higher annualised non-polio AFP rates than other States — around 34 for Bihar and about 23 for Uttar Pradesh. The rate for the country as a whole is slightly over 12.

The programme in India had taken a much broader interpretation of what would qualify as an AFP case than other countries have. Although facial paralysis would not be part of a standard definition of AFP, it was included in that definition for India. Other similar examples were diseases like meningo-encephalitis, Bells palsy, post-diphtheria polyneuritis and spinal muscular atrophy. Data had shown that broadening the case definition led to the detection of some polio cases that would have otherwise been missed, the WHO Country Office noted.

The high non-polio AFP rates in the country ought to be a “red flag”, remarked T. Jacob John, a leading virologist who was with Christian Medical College, Vellore, and is known for his work on polio eradication.

With heightened polio surveillance, sick children with suspected paralysis or possible neurological maladies were being identified and tested by the polio surveillance system, he remarked. However, the neurological disorders given by the WHO Country Office as examples of the expanded definition of AFP were likely to account for only a small part of the increase in non-polio AFP cases being seen in India.

No clear picture

Unfortunately, the cases of children with non-polio AFP were not being monitored by either the polio eradication programme or the larger state health care system. As a result, there was no clear picture of what was causing the AFP, the kind of diseases these children displayed, or how many of them were seriously affected, he pointed out.

A range of non-polio pathogens could produce AFP, said Dr. John. With many such pathogens, the paralysis they caused would often disappear in a short period of time. However, others were capable of causing quite serious diseases, disability and even death.

Two teams of Indian scientists recently studied the sorts of enteroviruses found in children with non-polio AFP. Enteroviruses are a diverse group, most of which replicate in the alimentary tract. The poliovirus is part of this group. Several non-polio enteroviruses have been associated with a range of acute and chronic human diseases, including polio-like paralysis.

In a study published in 2009, a team at the Sanjay Gandhi Postgraduate Institute of Medical Sciences in Lucknow tested over 46,000 stool samples from children with AFP in U.P., Bihar and other northern States between 2004 and 2007. In the other study, C. Durga Rao of the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, and his colleagues looked for enteroviruses in stool samples collected from more than 2,700 children with non-polio AFP in Kerala, Karnataka and Uttar Pradesh between 2007 and 2009.

Enteroviruses

Both groups found that only about 30 per cent of the non-polio AFP cases were associated with enteroviruses. These viruses could therefore only partially explain the non-polio AFP cases being detected.

In a paper published early last year in the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics, Neetu Vashisht and Jacob Puliyel of the St. Stephens Hospital, Delhi, gave another perspective on the issue. Children in Bihar and U.P. have received more doses of oral polio vaccine than elsewhere in the country. The oral vaccine, it was found, became less efficacious in the face of gut infections and diarrhoea that were widely prevalent in those States.

In their paper, Dr. Vashisht and Dr. Puliyel analysed the non-polio AFP rates across all States over 10 years up to 2010, and found that the rate “increased in proportion to the number of polio vaccine doses received in each area.” In 2012, the number of doses of oral vaccine given to children in Bihar and U.P. had come down and, for the first time, there was a decrease in the non-polio AFP cases in those States, Dr. Puliyel told this correspondent.

There was need for “a critical appraisal to find the factors contributing to the increase in non-polio AFP with increase in OPV [oral polio vaccine] doses — perhaps looking at the influence of strain shifts of entero-pathogens induced by the vaccine,” said Dr. Vashisht and Dr. Puliyel in the paper.

“The ICMR [indian Council of Medical Research] is leading the investigations into non-polio causes of AFP,” the WHO Country Office stated.

Edited by Steven Gaal
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By Dr. Mercola.

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What you're NOT learning from the mainstream media, however, is that there's a growing public movement fighting the profound misinformation about these OPV campaigns being conducted repeatedly among children in India and other nations. One recent published paper has suggested that increased administration of OPV doses among children in India is associated with increases in Accute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP), which is as crippling and deadly as wild type polio paralysis.. ..

He is referring to the discredited paper discussed on the other thread, once again we see you intentionally scrambling discusions and suffering from the apparent dellusion that repeating something enough times will make it true.

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http://news.yahoo.co...6--finance.html

Insight: Evidence grows for narcolepsy link to GSK swine flu shot

By Kate Kelland, Health and Science Correspondent | Reuters – Tue, Jan 22, 2013

TOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Emelie Olsson is plagued by hallucinations and nightmares. When she wakes up, she's often paralyzed, unable to breathe properly or call for help. During the day she can barely stay awake, and often misses school or having fun with friends. She is only 14, but at times she has wondered if her life is worth living.

Emelie is one of around 800 children in Sweden and elsewhere in Europe who developed narcolepsy, an incurable sleep disorder, after being immunized with the Pandemrix H1N1 swine flu vaccine made by British drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline in 2009.

Finland, Norway, Ireland and France have seen spikes in narcolepsy cases, too, and people familiar with the results of a soon-to-be-published study in Britain have told Reuters it will show a similar pattern in children there.

Their fate, coping with an illness that all but destroys normal life, is developing into what the health official who coordinated Sweden's vaccination campaign calls a "medical tragedy" that will demand rising scientific and medical attention.

Europe's drugs regulator has ruled Pandemrix should no longer be used in people aged under 20. The chief medical officer at GSK's vaccines division, Norman Begg, says his firm views the issue extremely seriously and is "absolutely committed to getting to the bottom of this", but adds there is not yet enough data or evidence to suggest a causal link.

No one says all vaccines are totally risk free, just as no medication is risk free, the question is whether the risk and cost of a vaccine out weigh the benefits. I would not be surprised if a couple of vaccines turned out to be not worth the risk. “ the GSK shot was given to more than 30 million people [in Europe]” so 800 kids comes out to one of 27,000 recipients though obviously a higher proportion of kids.

A couple more things. Mandatory vaccines and vaccines don't cause autism?

http://www.calwatchd...nes-now-ca-law/

No relevant to your claim pretty obviously yet another of your links to didn't bother to look at.

http://vactruth.com/...causing-autism/

Court Awards $969,474.91 for MMR Vaccine Causing Boy’s Autism

As a above no one says any medication is 100% totally safe the only study showing a causal link between MMR and vaccine was retracted by the Lancet which described it as "fatally flawed" and it was discovered that the lead author was working for the lawyer suing the vaccine maker. This case was essentially an out of court settlement HHS never acknowledged that the vaccine cause MMR and I'm not aware of evidence it did, the boy travelled to Iran after being vaccinated.

AFP/INDIA NEED FOR A DEEPER LOOK,Gaal

Polio free does not mean paralysis free

N. GOPAL RAJ

Once again based on the flawed paper.

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No (SIC) relevant to your claim pretty obviously yet another of your links to didn't bother to look at.

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DEPOPULATION A VOLUNTARY ACT ??

Well I guess thinking isnt voluntary.

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Bill injects mandatory vaccines into Calif. law

Oct. 2, 2012

By Katy Grimes

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California’s kids receive more than 50 childhood vaccinations. However, not all parents agree with the aggressive vaccination schedule and opt out.

But this option will no longer be a choice, now that a new state law has been passed. AB 2109 states that children will not be allowed to attend public school without proof that parents have been counseled, and children vaccinated.

In the 1960′s, children received only four vaccines: Smallpox, measles, polio and mumps vaccines. Now, children could receive as many as 24 shots by 2 years of age and five shots in a single visit, according to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

There is a growing belief among parents that the dramatic rise in autism is directly related to the increase in

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No (SIC) relevant to your claim pretty obviously yet another of your links to didn't bother to look at.

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DEPOPULATION A VOLUNTARY ACT ??

So vaccines are causing the population to drop in California? Really? You got evidence in support of that?

Well I guess thinking isnt voluntary.

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Bill injects mandatory vaccines into Calif. Law

You cited this in support of your contention such vaccines “cause autism”, also parents have alternatives they can enroll their kids in private schools “or acquire a waiver from a doctor or nurse saying they have been counseled about the benefits and risks of immunization.” True the site claims (without citation) “...acquiring this waiver is not as easy as it sounds. Many parents testified at the legislative hearings that they had been “fired” by their pediatricians for daring to question the vaccinations” but the law doesn't require that the waiver be signed by the kids' pediatrician, it doesn't even have to be signed doctor, a nurse is acceptable. If indeed it is hard to get any doctor or nurse to sign that is a reflection of little support there is for anti-vaxer paranoia among medical professionals, even in what is perhaps the most alternative minded state in the US.

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parents have alternatives they can enroll their kids in private schools // COLBY

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Oh yeah the minority population is right on ( $$$$$$) that one, GHEESH !!!

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So vaccines are causing the population to drop in California? Really? You got evidence in support of that? // COLBY

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TO MUCH FLORIDE YOU NOW ADMIT TO CONSUMING ??

POSTED OCT 03,2012 by GAAL (THIS THREAD)

Posted by Steven Gaal on 03 October 2012 - 10:48 PM in Political Conspiracies

IMHO Depopulation wont occur until a Western elite quisling is in place in Russia 2) India leadership is bribed / bought off to quisling status and 3) a secret deal is made with the Chinese leaders for depopulation. Said changes: Russia 2024 to 2030,India 2030 to 2036 and China 2036 to 2040.

Depopulation wont occur until at least the 2037 to 2041. IMHO. Depopulation as an idea forms a contextual basis for issues such as : sterilizing people / killing people /centralization (Agenda 21) / decreasing their reproduction potentiality (economic restraints/illness). Thus what makes people sick is also part of the plan , thus ancillary issues of depopulation are : bad vaccines,GMOs,fracking water,water shortages ,bad

pharmaceuticals ,endles war,ect.

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parents have alternatives they can enroll their kids in private schools // COLBY

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Oh yeah the minority population is right on ( $$$$$$) that one, GHEESH !!!

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Very dishonest editing of my quote, try again with the whole sentence.

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