Another CIA approved of POTUS ? there is a hint of it .......

[Mark Knight]

You can read anything--and I mean anything--on the internet. Not all is factual.

How much of this information did you research and fact-check on your own before posting it?

[Len Colby]

You can read anything--and I mean anything--on the internet. Not all is factual.

How much of this information did you research and fact-check on your own before posting it?

Mark ,

Based on my experiences with him over the years Mr. Gaal rarely, if ever, "research[es] and fact-check on [his] own before posting. He seems not even to check all the links he posts because a couple of times they have contradicted him.

Len

[Steven Gaal]

Bob Fitrakis well known to me via numerous GLOBAL RESEARCH articles.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Bob_Fitrakis

Bob Fitrakis (born November 29, 1955) is a Professor of Political Science in the Social and Behavioral Sciences Department at Columbus State Community College. He has also taught political theory at the University of Michigan-Dearborn and political science at Wayne State University and Oakland Community College. He also has taught at Otterbein College and Capital University.

Fitrakis has a Ph.D in political science from Wayne State University and a J.D. from the Ohio State University Moritz College of Law. He was a Ford Foundation Fellow to the Michigan State legislature in 1975 and studied at the University of Sarejevo on scholarship in 1978. Fitrakis earned a J.D. from the Ohio State University/Mortitz College of Law in 2002.

Bibliography

The Fitrakis Files: Cops, Coverups and Corruption"

"As Goes Ohio: Election Theft Since 2004—Best of the freepress.org (with Harvey Wasserman), CICJ Books, 2008

What Happened in Ohio? A Documentary Record of Theft and Fraud in the 2004 Election (with Steven Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman)

How the GOP Stole America's 2004 Election & Is Rigging 2008 (with Harvey Wasserman)

Did George W. Bush Steal America's 2004 Election? Essential Documents (with Harvey Wasserman and Steve Rosenfeld)

The Idea of Democratic Socialism in America and the Decline of the Socialist Party (as Robert J. Fitrakis)

The Fitrakis Files: Star Wars, Weather Mods and Full Spectrum Dominance

The Fitrakis Files: The Brothers Voinovich and The Ohiogate Scandal

The Fitrakis Files: Schoolhouse Divided

The Fitrakis Files: Spooks, Nukes and Nazis

The Fitrakis Files: Free Byrd & Other Cries for Justice

George W. Bush vs. The SuperPower of Peace (with Harvey Wasserman)

Imprison George W. Bush (with Harvey Wasserman)

Documentaries featuring Fitrakis

Murder, Spies, and Voting Lies" produced by Patty Sharaf

A Little Light'll Do Ya" produced by Ecological Options Network

"American Blackout" winner of the Sundance Award, Cleveland and Columbus Film Festivals, produced by Ian Inaba, Guerrilla News Network

"Commander-in-Thief" produced by Tom O'Brien, TOB Productions

"Electile Dysfunction" produced by Penny Little

"Free For All" produced by John Ennis

"Got Democracy" produced by Ecological Options Network

"How Ohio Pulled It Off" produced by Charla Baker, Matt Kraus and Mariana Quiroga

"Stealing America Vote by Vote" produced by Dorothy Fadiman, Concentric Media

"The Right to Count: Democracy vs. Electronic Voting" produced by Richard Van Slyke

"Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections" produced by Dave Earnhardt, Earnhardt Pirkle, Inc.

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authors confirmed in another story by others

About that Voting Machine Company Tied to Mitt Romney and Bain Capital...

By Brad Friedman on 10/12/2012, 2:15pm PT

Late last month, Gerry Bello and Bob Fitrakis at FreePress.org broke the story of the Mitt Romney/Bain Capital investment team involved in H.I.G. Capital which, in July of 2011, completed a "strategic investment" to take over a fair share of the Austin-based e-voting machine company Hart Intercivic.

"Several tanker trucks full of political ink have been spilled on Mitt Romney's tenure as a vulture capitalist at Bain Capital," Bello and Fitrakis wrote. "A more important story, however, is the fact that Bain alumni, now raising big money as Romney bundlers are also in the electronic voting machine business. This appears to be a repeat of the infamous former CEO of Diebold Wally O'Dell, who raised money for Bush while his company supplied voting machines and election management software in the 2004 election."

Lee Fang at The Nation recently confirmed the FreePress reporting in a story of his own on the "crony capitalism" of Tagg Romney, whose father's money and high-profile connections present a number of troubling corporate conflicts of interest should Mitt Romney become President. The Daily Dolt also followed up with a very well-documented article on the H.I.G. group, their connections to Bain, and their takeover of Hart Intercivic.

Hart's announcement of the deal describes H.I.G.'s role as as "co-investors", though the financial services firm which brokered the deal described it in their own announcement as a full-fledged acquisition: "Hart Intercivic was acquired by HIG Capital late last week. The deal caps off a 2+ year relationship with Hart! Congrats to both Hart and the HIG team….its going to be a great partnership!"

Also this week, in a video that has gone a bit viral, The David Pakman Show expressed understandable concerns about Romney's close business partners having this type of corporate control over a large e-voting company whose, extremely vulnerable and insecure [PDF] --- and often 100% unverifiable --- voting and tabulation systems are now used, according to VerifiedVoting.org's database, in all or parts of California, Colorado, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and Washington. [Pakman's video is embedded below.]

When the story initially broke, I spoke about it on the radio with Fitrakis, but didn't comment on it at The BRAD BLOG for a number of reasons. One being the time we've been spending, during the same period, consumed by the continuing breaking story of the RNC/Romney consultant Nathan Sproul and his companies at the center of the national GOP Voter Registration Fraud Scandal which we've been covering in detail since it first broke several weeks ago. Secondly, and not to downplay this story, because it's a very good and important one, the fact is that, though the names of the corporate titans and companies are different, it is essentially the same story that we have been telling here, over and over again --- and warning about with hair afire --- at The BRAD BLOG for nearly a decade.

Moreover, I've been on the road all this week for a conference, with much less time online than usual. But since so many folks have picked up on the Romney/Bain/H.I.G./Hart Intercivic stories and have sent email and Twitter queries to me about it, allow me to very quickly share a few thoughts, on this, some of which I sent to a reporter who also raised this issue with me late this week...

First, my statement that I sent to the reporter about this story...

Once again, we're reminded of the dangers of the privatization of our once-public electoral system. The company's ties to Romney aren't the only disturbing ones we've seen with similar companies over the years. The fact is, that nobody other than the public should have any sort of control of our elections. The proprietary voting systems now in use in all 50 states, whether owned by Romney associates, a George W. Bush associate (as with Diebold in 2004) or even a company tied to Venezuela's Hugo Chavez (as with Sequoia Voting Systems which blatantly lied about that tie to public officials, and the Canadian firm Dominion which purchased Sequoia and also immediately lied about the fact that Intellectual Property of their voting systems used all across the U.S. is still owned by the Venezuelan firm), continue to be a grave threat to American democracy and confidence in U.S. Elections.

One other point I should add, for now, particularly since I suspect folks from the Right are also likely to ask about it. There has been a false Rightwing story that's been bubbling around this cycle, charging, inaccurately, that perennial Republican target George Soros owns or controls a company which will count 25% of U.S. votes in this year's election. While the story, spread first by public airwaves clown and radio host Michael Savage and, naturally, Fox "News," is completely false, the general concern at the heart of it is not. Indeed, it underscores, yet again, the very point we've been making on this topic here for years.

The company in question in the false Soros story is a Spanish-based firm named Scytl. While they do run vote-tabulation machines elsewhere, and are attempting to get into the (insane) Internet Voting game here in the U.S., their main involvement with U.S. elections at this time is via their recent acquisition of a company named SOE. That company runs websites which report election results for various public jurisdictions (municipalities, counties, states) on the Internet, but does not actually count any votes.

Yes, there are similar concerns about private corporations being in the business of reporting results in that way, as we saw back in 2004 when a rightwing company named SMARTech took over the reporting of questionable Presidential Election results in Ohio in the middle of the night as the country was waiting on the Buckeye State to determine who would be the next President of the United States. The media used the numbers reported on SMARTech's servers as the actual results of the election, while the actual ballots in most of the Buckeye State were never allowed to be reviewed by the citizenry. So whatever the private Republican company reported, accurately or inaccurately, to be the results that night were generally regarded as the official results of the election.

That is virtually the same threat presented by the private, unoverseeable third-party corporations which now control the election machinery --- voting and tabulation systems --- itself in all 50 states in the union. Concerns about this matter are justifiable no matter which party you may or may not support.

Despite the Rightwing reports, Soros has no apparent control of the Scytl outfit, but it doesn't matter. Other private corporate entities --- unaccountable to the public --- do. Either way, whether it's Soros or entities tied to Mitt Romney, George W. Bush, Hugo Chavez or anybody else, the fact that we have allowed this complete corporatization of the machinery of our public elections, the very lifeblood of our democracy --- the first and most important element of true self-governance --- is, in and of itself, a continuing shame for what was once regarded as "the world's greatest democracy."

Someone ought to do something about it. It's an outrage and a threat to our nation. But we've said as much many times before, even as very few in a position to actually do something about it, have bothered to pay much attention.

• For another take on the dangers of corporate control of American elections, see Ellen Theissen of VotersUnite.org's 2008 report on the vendor controlled "undermining of U.S. Elections".

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Edited October 24, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

Except that nothing in your post contradicted my comment that you “ rarely, if ever, research and fact-check on [your] own before posting” and it confirmed my observation that "you are better at tossing out dumb insults and trawling truther sites then cutting and pasting what you turn up than verifying their claims or thinking for yourself." Nothing in your post indicated you had sought to verify Fitrakis’ claims. A matter a fact it indicated the opposite, that you blindly accepted his claims because he is “well known to [you] via numerous GLOBAL RESEARCH articles”

I am also familiar with his work regarding the Mitch Connell crash and he is very dishonest. He claimed “[Connell was an] accomplished pilot, flying in unremarkable weather, his death cuts off a critical path to much of what may never be known about how the 2004 election was shifted from John Kerry to George W. Bush” and insinuated the GOP operative was getting ready to talk about the vote shift and had his life threatened by Karl Rove none of which were true.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17102&st=0&p=214967entry214967 see posts #3 & #4

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13846entry160298 see posts #6 & #9

[Steven Gaal]

^{POST #18 above redone}

^{Well if you read post #18 and # 19 and believed the nonsence of # 19 you might think I connected SCTYL with Soros. Many CT people ran with the false story of Soros/SCYTL connections. No I never did ,my seperate thread ( much time prior to Soros false CT story, pat self on back) on SCYTL was an educational post on how to do research via the WEB. I connected SCYTL with the European Central Bank. As to being right all the time on CT matters re Fitrakis ,I dont believe Colby should throw stones. Just look as his CIA 'didnt create Cancer substances postings'.}

^{SEE POST # 2 this thread SCYTL}

^{http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?}

^{showtopic=18653entry244479 an educational post by Gaal}

^{THE 'deep' research of Len Colby}

^{http://educationforu...showtopic=18854}

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^{STORY CONFIRMED BY OTHERS}

^{Lee Fang at The Nation recently confirmed the FreePress reporting in a story of his own on the "crony capitalism" of Tagg Romney, whose father's money and high-profile connections present a number of troubling corporate conflicts of interest should Mitt Romney become President. The Daily Dolt also followed up with a very well-documented article on the H.I.G. group, their connections to Bain, and their takeover of Hart Intercivic.}

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AS to Mitch Connell crash ,Colby will swallow all government reports at face value. I dont trust the FAA 100 % as does Colby.

L. Fletcher Prouty

U.S. Air Force Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty will probably be remembered by history as one of the architects of the secret government. His job at the Pentagon was to provide the CIA with the military resources needed to carry out its clandestine operations. Prouty created a secret network of agents throughout the military, government agencies such as the FBI and FAA, and foreign governments.

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[Len Colby]

^{POST #18 above redone}

^{Well if you read post #18 and # 19 and believed the nonsence of # 19 you might think I connected SCTYL with Soros. Many CT people ran with the false story of Soros/SCYTL connections. No I never did ,my seperate thread ( much time prior to Soros false CT story, pat self on back) on SCYTL was an educational post on how to do research via the WEB. I connected SCYTL with the European Central Bank.}

I have no idea what you are babbling about and doubt anyone else does either; I made no reference Soros, SCYTL or the ECB in my post and IIRC before you edited post #18 there were no such on this thread or on any of the pages/threads linked to it (but even IF I’m wrong about that you babble made no sense). The questions at hand were 1) Fitrakis’ credibility and 2) whether you bother to verify the stuff you post here, once again you are changing the subject.

^{As to being right all the time on CT matters re Fitrakis ,I dont believe Colby should throw stones. Just look as his CIA 'didnt create Cancer substances postings'.}

Errors are one thing, your posts are replete with them, intentional deception is quite another, there is no way Fitrakis’ deceptive editing of sentence from an e-mail his partner sent out was accidental, and it’s hard to believe his deceptions about Connell supposedly being willing to come forward, his piloting skills and the weather when he crashed were inadvertent.

^{SEE POST # 2 this thread SCYTL}

^{http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?}

^{showtopic=18653entry244479an educational post by Gaal}

^{THE 'deep' research of Len Colby}

^{http://educationforu...showtopic=18854}

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^{STORY CONFIRMED BY OTHERS}

^{Lee Fang at The Nation recently confirmed the FreePress reporting in a story of his own on the "crony capitalism" of Tagg Romney, whose father's money and high-profile connections present a number of troubling corporate conflicts of interest should Mitt Romney become President. The Daily Dolt also followed up with a very well-documented article on the H.I.G. group, their connections to Bain, and their takeover of Hart Intercivic.}

The story is partially true, H.I.G. bought and controls Hart and most H.I.G. directors donated to Romney (some also donated to Obama) several had worked at Bain and Co. while Romney was working at the separate but related Bain Capital. And Solamere is largely owned by the Romneys. However the part about Solamere owning H.I.G. or Hart seems not to be true. Also the Hart machines in the critical state of Ohio simply scan paper ballots so it Democrats suspected foul play they could demand manual counts.

http://www.thenation.com/article/170470/tagg-team-romney-family-recipe-crony-capitalism#

http://www.thedailydolt.com/2012/10/10/former-bain-employees-own-voting-machine-company-used-in-swing-states/

http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/votingmachines.asp

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AS to Mitch Connell crash ,Colby will swallow all government reports at face value. I dont trust the FAA 100 % as does Colby.

L. Fletcher Prouty

U.S. Air Force Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty will probably be remembered by history as one of the architects of the secret government. His job at the Pentagon was to provide the CIA with the military resources needed to carry out its clandestine operations. Prouty created a secret network of agents throughout the military, government agencies such as the FBI and FAA, and foreign governments.

LOL Gaal’s source is an obscure blogger who cited no sources. And even if it were true are we to assume Prouty’s “secret network” was still in place over 40 after he retired from government service to the extent that they could post false information on the FAA database? That would have quite risky if people who knew Connell’s qualifications were greater than it indicated. And even if we accepted such a farfetched baseless scenario that doesn’t account for Fitrakis’ lies about the weather, Connell’s willingness to ‘spill the beans’ and the e-mail.

[Steven Gaal]

but even IF I’m wrong about that you // end Colby Well your right,your wrong. POST FORMATTED WITH UGLY URLS SURROUNDING FRONT AND BACK WORDS HIGHLIGHTED IN COLOR THAT WERE LINKS . NOW CHANGEDTO ONLY PLAIN TEXT PLUS I added video that TEXT refered to at bottom.

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There is a lot of OHIO ELECTION MATERIAL of FITRAKIS beyond the plane crash. Are you unread on said writings ??

demand manual counts.?? REALLY. VERY HARD TO GET (JUST ASK GORE) You are unread/uninformed as to the power of ,place of the STATE

Secretary of State in elections and the special work the Republican party has taken to control Federal courts.

see http://www.cleveland...e_jon_hu_3.html

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, rising GOP star, frustrated by court challenges but confident in state's elections operation

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You must be very unread in JFK matters it wasnt Prouty's network ,it was the CIA's......golly very unread.

I try to clue you in on Books ,but are ,'afraid ...very afraid' The secret Team was/has continued by said ST themselves and Bush/Saudi families.

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I made no reference Soros, SCYTL or the ECB in my post and IIRC // END Colby

YES BUT ITS IN THE ARTICLE ABOUT BAD CT IDEAS WHICH IS YOUR 'thing'.// GAAL

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One other point I should add, for now, particularly since I suspect folks from the Right are also likely to ask about it. There has been a false Rightwing story that's been bubbling around this cycle, charging, inaccurately, that perennial Republican target George Soros owns or controls a company which will count 25% of U.S. votes in this year's election. While the story, spread first by public airwaves clown and radio host Michael Savage and, naturally, Fox "News," is completely false, the general concern at the heart of it is not. Indeed, it underscores, yet again, the very point we've been making on this topic here for years.

The company in question in the false Soros story is a Spanish-based firm named Scytl. While they do run vote-tabulation machines elsewhere, and are attempting to get into the (insane) Internet Voting game here in the U.S., their main involvement with U.S. elections at this time is via their recent acquisition of a company named SOE. That company runs websites which report election results for various public jurisdictions (municipalities, counties, states) on the Internet, but does not actually count any votes.

Yes, there are similar concerns about private corporations being in the business of reporting results in that way, as we saw back in 2004 when a rightwing company named SMARTech took over the reporting of questionable Presidential Election results in Ohio in the middle of the night as the country was waiting on the Buckeye State to determine who would be the next President of the United States. The media used the numbers reported on SMARTech's servers as the actual results of the election, while the actual ballots in most of the Buckeye State were never allowed to be reviewed by the citizenry. So whatever the private Republican company reported, accurately or inaccurately, to be the results that night were generally regarded as the official results of the election.

That is virtually the same threat presented by the private, unoverseeable third-party corporations which now control the election machinery --- voting and tabulation systems --- itself in all 50 states in the union. Concerns about this matter are justifiable no matter which party you may or may not support.

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Owners Of Electronic Voting Machine Company Are Romney Super-Fans

Photo: Roger Barone/flickr

We’re not really into conspiracy theories here, so let us just say this upfront: we are not presenting the following article as any kind of conspiracy theory. We will say, though, that the people who own voting machines in some important swing states have a pretty remarkable bias toward Mitt Romney and, you know, someone should probably keep an eye on this, no?

Okay, so here’s what we know:

Hart InterCivic is a national provider of election voting systems that are used in swing-states Ohio and Colorado, as well as in states we don’t really care about so much because we already know how they’ll turn out (e.g., Texas, Oklahoma, and Hawaii). Private equity firm H.I.G. Capital, LLC bought outa “significant” portion of Hart in July of 2011, and now the majority of Hart’s board directorsare employees of H.I.G. (It’s not entirely clear how much of the voting machine company H.I.G. owns, but the financial advisors responsible for the transaction state that “Hart Intercivic was acquired by HIG Capital.”)

H.I.G., in turn, has ties to Bain & Co. and Mitt Romney directly:

• H.I.G. was founded by Tony Tamer, a former Bain employee and bundler for Mitt Romney’s campaign.
  
• Of H.I.G.’s 22 American directors, 21 donated to Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign. One person made no political donations at all; one person donated to both Mitt Romney and Barack Obama; the remaining 20 directors donated exclusively to Mitt Romney in 2012. (See below for links to donations.)
  
• Of these 22 American directors, seven of them (nearly one-third) are former Bain employees. Now, we should note (as a reader helpfully pointed out), this is Bain & Co., where Mitt Romney used to work way back when and then left in order to start the affiliated Bain Capital. The connection is therefore a little more tenuous, but we still find H.I.G.’s overwhelming allegiance and financial support of the Romney campaign surprising (not that it’s surprising that a private equity company would lean Republican, but this level of support is pretty unusual).
  

• Four of H.I.G.’s directors, Tony Tamer, John Bolduc, Douglas Berman, and Brian D. Schwartz, are Romney bundlers along with former Bain and H.I.G. manager Brian Shortsleeve.
  

• Two of H.I.G.’s managing directors, Douglas F. Berman and Brian D. Schwartz, were present at the $50,000 per plate fundraiser where Mitt Romney made his notorious ”47%” comments.
  

• H.I.G. employees currently make up the majority of the Hart InterCivic’s five-member board of directors. Two of these three directors of the voting machine company, Neil Tuch and Jeff Bohl, have donated directly to Mitt Romney’s campaign.
  

• H.I.G. is the 11th largest donorto Mitt Romney’s campaign. H.I.G. employees have given $338,000 to the Romney campaign, outpacing even Bain Capital itself, which gave $268,000.
  

• (Sidenote: Are we the only ones to notice that every single one of H.I.G.’s 22 American directorsis white and male? Not related to the Mitt Romney issue, but sheesh.)
  

Now, to be fair, besides the fact that H.I.G. employees make up the majority of Hart’s board of directors, we don’t know exactly how much control H.I.G. is able to exert over the voting machine company’s day-to-day operations. Plus, it seems like it would be pretty difficult to mess with the software without anyone finding out about it. Moreover, just from a cost-benefit standpoint, it doesn’t really make sense that these H.I.G. directors would commit a felony and risk their super-lucrative careers just to get their Bain bro elected.

But that said, this still makes us a little… uncomfortable. For instance, what if irregularities or honest mistakes are suspected (and this is a real possibility: Hart InterCivic has previously had some pretty major malfunctionsin its voting systems)? The documentation will then be in the hands of Hart/H.I.G.

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Links to H.I.G.’s American directors:

Tony Tamer – Bain alum; Romney bundler; donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Sami Mnaymneh – donatedto Mitt Romney’s campaign as well as Barack Obama’s campaign

Douglas Berman – Bain alum; Romney bundler; donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

John Bolduc – Bain alum; Romney bundler; donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Rick Rosen – donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Brian Schwartz – bundler for the Romney campaign; donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Timothy Armstrong – donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

John Black – donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Dave Blechman – donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Peter Cornetta – donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Marc Kramer – No known donations to presidential campaigns

Chris Laitala – donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Elliot Maluth – donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

William Nolan – Bain alum; donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Michael Phillips – Bain alum; donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Matt Sanford – Bain alum; donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Lewis Schoenwetter – donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Richard Stokes – donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Neil Tuch – donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Bret Wiener – donated exclusively to Mitt Romney’s campaign for 2012; donated initially to Mitt Romney and then to Barack Obama during the 2008 election

Rob Wolfson – donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Jeff Zanarini – Bain alum; donated to Mitt Romney’s campaign

Edited October 25, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

but even IF I’m wrong about that you // end Colby Well your right,your wrong. POST FORMATTED WITH UGLY URLS SURROUNDING FRONT AND BACK WORDS HIGHLIGHTED IN COLOR THAT WERE LINKS . NOW CHANGEDTO ONLY PLAIN TEXT PLUS I added video that TEXT refered to at bottom.

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There is a lot of OHIO ELECTION MATERIAL of FITRAKIS beyond the plane crash. Are you unread on said writings ??

Since I’ve found him to be intentionally deceptive (i.e. a xxxx) I’m not especially interested reading his rantings.

...demand manual counts.?? REALLY. VERY HARD TO GET (JUST ASK GORE) You are unread/uninformed as to the power of ,place of the STATE

Secretary of State in elections and the special work the Republican party has taken to control Federal courts.

see http://www.cleveland...e_jon_hu_3.html

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, rising GOP star, frustrated by court challenges but confident in state's elections operation

The Florida farce revolved around another issue. Some voters didn’t clearly mark their ballots or in some cases put marks for more than one candidate for the same office. There was nothing in the article about recounts. But that’s not the main problem with Fitrakis’ claims though H.I.G. is run by Romney supporters it is not owned by the Romney family

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You must be very unread in JFK matters it wasnt Prouty's network ,it was the CIA's......golly very unread.

I try to clue you in on Books ,but are ,'afraid ...very afraid' The secret Team was/has continued by said ST themselves and Bush/Saudi families.

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What are babbling about now YOU are the one who posted the claim:

U.S. Air Force Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty will probably be remembered by history as one of the architects of the secret government. His job at the Pentagon was to provide the CIA with the military resources needed to carry out its clandestine operations. Prouty created a secret network of agents throughout the military, government agencies such as the FBI and FAA, and foreign governments

Got any evidence the CIA/PTB/MIBH/PNAC control the FAA to the extent that they could have posted false info about Connell’s qualifications, funny that you place so much faith in the undocumented claims of a proven xxxx.

I made no reference Soros, SCYTL or the ECB in my post and IIRC // END Colby

YES BUT ITS IN THE ARTICLE ABOUT BAD CT IDEAS WHICH IS YOUR 'thing'.// GAAL

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You can spin that like taffy or a top or even an unfired pot but I never mentioned any of the above.

One other point I should add, for now, particularly since I suspect folks from the Right are also likely to ask about it. There has been a false

What was the point of reposting a nearly 400 word block of text from a previous post on the same page? Do you think things becomes true with repetition? Or do you think you ‘win points’ for the word counts of your posts?

"Owners Of Electronic Voting Machine Company Are Romney Super-Fans"

Wow you’re a crack researcher; you found the article after I posted the link. As I already noted “H.I.G. bought and controls Hart and most H.I.G. directors donated to Romney (some also donated to Obama) several had worked at Bain and Co. while Romney was working at the separate but related Bain Capital”

NOTE: Since the forum software only allows a maximum of 5 quote boxes the last excerpt is in bold, " " and indented

[Steven Gaal]

Also the Hart machines in the critical state of Ohio simply scan paper ballots so it Democrats suspected foul play they could demand manual counts.// END Colby post #21

Gaal posts about difficulty getting recounts post #22

There was nothing in the article about recounts. // END Colby post #23

Gee MEMORY PROBLEM LEN ?????????? You brought up the topic ,I responded.

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Got any evidence the CIA/PTB/MIBH/PNAC control the FAA to the extent that they could have posted false info about Connell’s qualifications, funny that you place so much faith in the undocumented claims of a proven xxxx. // END Colby

PAST IS PROLOGUE, PROUTY great hero and truthteller. Colby known CIA Cheerleader. Golly remember Nixon watergate plane ? Countra/CIA cocaine came in planes ...FAA look the other way(?) had to..... How about TWA 800 ???? .....

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Wow you’re a crack researcher; you found the article after I posted the link. // END COLBY NO WRONG LINK IS IN MY MY MY MY post # 18 before you. But as I said there was a format problem and I reposted in plain no link text. Its there in original BRAD BLOG article.

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Since I’ve found him to be intentionally deceptive (i.e. a xxxx) I’m not especially interested reading his rantings.//END COLBY

Gee GLASS HOUSE STONES

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ROMNEY WILL SAY DO ANYTHING TO BE POTUS...VOTING MANIPULATION IS NOT BEYOND HIM.

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http://educationforu...19161&hl=romney

Edited October 26, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

Also the Hart machines in the critical state of Ohio simply scan paper ballots so it Democrats suspected foul play they could demand manual counts.// END Colby post #21

Gaal posts about difficulty getting recounts post #22

There was nothing in the article about recounts. // END Colby post #23

Gee MEMORY PROBLEM LEN ?????????? You brought up the topic ,I responded.

Unlike you Mr. Gaal my memory is fine; YOU were the one who “brought up the topic” of the supposed potential to steal votes with Hart machines and YOU cited the article in response to my point that they only count paper ballots which could be manually counted. The article in no way cast doubt on that scenario.

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Got any evidence the CIA/PTB/MIBH/PNAC control the FAA to the extent that they could have posted false info about Connell’s qualifications, funny that you place so much faith in the undocumented claims of a proven xxxx. // END Colby

PAST IS PROLOGUE, PROUTY great hero and truthteller. Colby known CIA Cheerleader. Golly remember Nixon watergate plane ? Countra/CIA cocaine came in planes ...FAA look the other way(?) had to..... How about TWA 800 ???? .....

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The cases you cited are CT fables (with the possible exception of the 2^nd), but even if you choose to believe them the FAA had little to do with the events in question.

Wow you’re a crack researcher; you found the article after I posted the link. // END COLBY NO WRONG LINK IS IN MY MY MY MY post # 18 before you. But as I said there was a format problem and I reposted in plain no link text. Its there in original BRAD BLOG article.

OK fair enough there was a link to it in a blog entry which you cut and pasted but did not include a link to. But you seem not to have bothered to look at the article till I posted the direct link.

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Since I’ve found him to be intentionally deceptive (i.e. a xxxx) I’m not especially interested reading his rantings.//END COLBY

Gee GLASS HOUSE STONES

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Get back to us when you can point to examples of my being “intentionally deceptive”.

ROMNEY WILL SAY DO ANYTHING TO BE POTUS...VOTING MANIPULATION IS NOT BEYOND HIM.

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donnybrook in louisiana......

http://educationforu...19161&hl=romney

I largely agree with you about the above except the “donnybrook in louisiana” (sic) crap, but having the potential to do something and doing it are different matters. Contrary to you claims the Romney family does NOT own Hart. The company is owned by his supporters but people don’t vote directly on their machines.

[Steven Gaal]

. The company is owned by his supporters but people don’t vote directly on their machines. // END COLBY

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Was TWA 800 Shot Down By a Military Missile?

see http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/twa.php

Edited October 27, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

Richly ironic that you impugn the intelligence of others, in the words of one of the forum’s less literate members, "...you my [sic] need a few grammer [sic] lessons as to [sic] punctuation and/or [sic] reading comprehension course"

From the Cleveland Plain Dealer, quoted in the Snopes article previously linked, (emphasis added for those who need it):

But elections officials in Ohio's

Hamilton

and

Williams

counties --

the only two of Ohio's 88 counties that use equipment made by Hart

InterCivic -- as well as company representatives say there's no way such meddling could occur.

Both counties use a paper balloting system

in which results are tallied by scanners made by Hart InterCivic. All programming of the machines, diagnostic testing, and vote tabulation is done by elections staff in each county and no vote tabulation is done over the Internet, county election board representatives say. The paper ballots are there as backup and can be recounted with Democratic and Republican party representatives on hand.

"There is no truth to the idea that anyone could get into our system and tamper with the results," said Hamilton County elections board deputy director Sally Krisel.

Fewer than 10 percent of Ohio voters live in the counties that use Hart InterCivic equipment.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/10/ohio_voting_machines_are_not_c.html

[Steven Gaal]

Richly ironic that you impugn the intelligence of others //END COLBY

Fewer than 10 percent of Ohio voters live in the counties that use Hart InterCivic equipment // END COLBY

ROMNEY VICTORY BY 900 or so is enough

. Media will say," 900 + much more than FL, the case is closed a recount will hurt the country".

Whats Obama to do go to the SCOTUS ??? Ironic that you impugn the intelligence of others (really)..

[Len Colby]

Both counties use a paper balloting system

in which results are tallied by scanners made by Hart InterCivic. All programming of the machines, diagnostic testing, and vote tabulation is done by elections staff in each county and no vote tabulation is done over the Internet, county election board representatives say. The paper ballots are there as backup and can be recounted with Democratic and Republican party representatives on hand.

"There is no truth to the idea that anyone could get into our system and tamper with the results," said Hamilton County elections board deputy director Sally Krisel.

Also the two counties have about 7.3% of the states registered voters, a little more than half should go for Obama, a shift big enough to change the results would be too obvious.

PS the FAA did NOT investigate the crash of TWA 800.

[Steven Gaal]

Romney will win without OHIO. But past is Prologue and he will cheat if he can.

Any Combo of NV(6),CO (9) ,IA (6) over ten buts Romney over the top. I assume NH (4) to Romney.

Even if he doesnt CO plus any of other two (NV,IA) leads to POTUS Romney.

Edited October 29, 2012 by Steven Gaal