Robert Howard Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 (edited) https://www.maryferr....do?docId=53250 One of the more unusual lines of thought as the 50th anniversary approaches, is having the intellectual honesty to admit that one does not know everything there is to know about the assassination of President Kennedy. Somewhat along the same lines is the philosophy I hold to, which is, not feeling comfortable with swaying the beliefs of others, albeit with some reservations. For instance, when I was born, the President was Dwight D. Eisenhower, and the current election in my view is a catastrophe, in the sense that in my estimation, to the right politically, truth has become irrelevant. I have never in my life seen lies becoming reality and reality becoming lies. The guardians of truth are not Republicans, but they are treated as such because the great WASP culture cannot admit it "hates" better than any of the demographics it portrays as villains. The irony is that the economies that are thriving in 2012 are in the regions of Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark et cetera, the very same countries that are demonized as "socialist." Draconian is the word that defines the Republicans of 2012, and this election is more about ethnic demographics shrinking WASP population, increased ethnic population than anyone would care to admit. Apologies to those who don't want to know my personal views. I will go back to the topic of JMWAVE; and the development of why I decided to post the document in question, besides the obvious correlation to George Johannides and the triangle of Miami/Dallas/Mexico. One of the obscurities in the JFK saga is the "Oswald in the Yucatan/Merida" allegation that the late Jerry Patrick Hemming links to somewhat see Bloody Treason, Noel Twyman. A Warren Commission document regarding Margaret Wolff and her Mexico link mentions Mayan ruins, ie search Anthropology MFF also. A long time ago I purchased a book, name escapes me about some government funded [circa 1963 or around that time; may have been Alfred Vincent Kidder died 1963, if I am not mistaken ] project which detailed Anthropology studies of Mayan ruins. No profound revelation is meant by the mention of this only that CIA connections turn up in the unlikeliest of places. One thing hasn't changed since 1963 to be a liberal or populist is still very dangerous, and the best defense against speaking truth to power is to create a layer of lies, spin and innuendo so deep that fear takes over ones mind. FDR may have been a Traitor to His Class, but he was right when he said "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself." Edited October 26, 2012 by Robert Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Although it is not my claim to know when all this began, but for a reference point this first document isn't a bad beginning, reminding that the later documents in this post are right at the time of the JFK assassination. RIF#: 104-10276-10045 (07/31/63) CIA#: 80T01357A MEMO FOR: MANUEL VEGA PEREZ pg Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 17: Ruiz - Webster) CIA HISTORICAL. REVIEW PROGRAM FULL 31 July 1963 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD 'SUBJECT Manuel VEGA Perez 1. During the meeting held 11 July 1963 between Oliver FORTSON (P) and AMRIFT in Mexico City, the latter endeavored to persuade FORTSON to accept Manuel VEGA Perez as his replacement in the “operation.” FORTSON refused saying that VEGA is a known Cuban IS officer by every cop on the beat in Mexico City and that furthermore some of the people being paid by VEGA are also being paid by other (unspecified) parties. AMRIFT was told that he, on the other hand was intelligent and was not suspected by the Mexicans of being in the intelligence business. AMRIFT was pleased with this presentation and did not pursue the matter of VEGA further. 2. Following this meeting a letter was written to AMRIFT allegedly from FORTSON’s superior. The letter contained greetings to AMRIFT by name in the body of the text, reiterated the point about VEGA, though it referred to him only as “fatty.” It is thought that AMRIFT might have taken this letter back to Havana with him when he traveled late in July 1963 to show as proof that he was reporting what FORTSON had said about VEGA. 3. It would appear that the blasting being given VEGA by FORTSON could easily reflect badly on VEGA, for he is shown to be both notorious and inept. It is therefore possible that sometime in the near future VEGA may be vulnerable to a pitch. 4. It is requested that no action be taken without the consultation of the AMROD case officer. CHARLES ANDERSON SAS/SO end next AGENCY : RECORD NUMBER : 104-10062-10001 RECORDS SERIES : JFK AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A DOCUMENT INFORMATION _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : COS, MEXICO CITY TO : CHIEF, SPECIAL AFFAIRS STAFF TITLE : DISPATCH RE (DELETION) OPERATION. DATE : 11/21/1963 PAGES : 2 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : MEXICO CITY INVESTIGATION NAME TRACE CLASSIFICATION : SECRET RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 07/17/93 OPENING CRITERIA : COMMENTS : JFK9:F6. 1993.07.17.09:06:17:460560 PREVIOUSLY SANITIZED DOCUMENT. https://www.maryferr...587&relPageId=3 104-10062-10001 DISPATCH RE (DELETION) OPERATION. TO: Chief Of Station Mexico City TYPIC [REDACTED Operation 1.Upon arriving at Mexico City Station [Thomas G. URQUHART] repacked the envelope for the 6th pass adding materials agreed upon at headquarters and saving out other less important items to use in later passes. 2. In order to comply with the [“AMRIFT”] instructions of their letter mailed 29 October 1963 [uRQUHART] and [GERENDE] make a phone call on 12 November 1963 to the telephone designated in that letter asking for [AMSPOON] [GERENDE] was told he was out of Mexico, [in PBRUMEN] and it was not known when or if he would return. 3. [GERENDE] checked the correct amount of postage that would be required on a special delivery letter. It was found to be 2.40 pesos postage and 50 cents special delivery stamp for 100 grams. 4. At 1100 hours on 15 November 1963 [uRQUHART] mailed the 6th pass at the special delivery chute at the main post office. Five minutes later the enve- lope had been absorbed for better or worse into the Mexico mail system. At the same time [GERENDE] dispatched a telegram, text attached to notify [AMSPOON] and associates that something was coming there way special delivery 5. The attached letter was then sent to [sCANTLING] for translation and mailing through ordinary channels to [AMSPOON] and associate. Mailing was effected 19 November. 6. The remainder of 15 November was taken up with examining available texts for passage setting up pass 7 and retyping reports that were found to be lacking in certain pouches. 7. After pouch 7 was tentatively packed and case officers concerned were shown how to seal them, a count was made of materials still available for passage. These are listed separately, but in summary there are [72] pages of good material and [106] pages counting material of doubtful value though high degree of authenticity. It is thus estimated that at least [two] good passes [(8 and 9]) can be made with material now available at the station. 8. For a [illegible] herewith a sample page from a [Gobernacion] file, which page 2, together with other materials collected, fill the requirement levied on Station for such items. (DER Y9251). Willard C. CURTISS more..... CURTIS, WILLARD C. Sources: CIA 31-7 (re-released as JFK 104-10015-10307, Lifton's pp. 281-283); CIA 48-19 (re-released as JFK 104-10015-10323, Lifton's pp. 320-322); CIA 73-28 (released first time as JFK 104-10015-10268, Lifton's pp. 181-183); CIA 116-50 re-release as CIA Doc JFK-104-10015-10153, p. 1; CIA 119-51 re-release as CIA Doc JFK-104-10015-10154; CIA 178-620; CIA 195-627; CIA 379-733; CIA 421-758; CIA 878-898; CIA 992-936; HSCA Reel 19, Box 12, Folder R (AMKW 14); CIA Doc JFK-104-10054-10023, p. 2; CIA Doc JFK 104-10052-10056; CIA Doc JFK 104-10086-10005 (originally released as CIA 648-825); CIA Doc JFK 104-10007-10152 (originally numbered CIA 1011-945 denied); CIA 158-610, re-released as CIA JFK 104-10015-10168, Lifton's pp. 91-93 Mary's Comments: Deputy Chief, Mexico City CIA station. (Is CIA 48-19 referring to Willard C. Curtis?) Willard C. Curtis is a "cover" name for Winston Scott. CIA 116-50 and CIA 158-610 re-releases To Curtis from Knight. Record: SCANTLING, OLIVER G. Sources: CIA Doc JFK 104-10015-10061 and JFK 104-10015-10334, Lifton's pp. 355-357 (originally released as CIA 24-534); CIA Doc JFK 104-10062-10001 Mary's Comments: (?) CIA 104-10414-10406 on page 1a. states "The support provided by the two LIEMPTY cutouts, Oliver G. SCANTLING and Raymond H. GERENDS in the AMROD operation was essential to this operation." Cryptonym of someone in Mexico under surveillance by CIA on 11/23/63. He was referred to as "S" and person providing coverage instructed to ask S's wife to have him return to Mexico and provide [J-144] if she did not have access to it. "...letter was then sent to SCANTLING for translation and mailing through ordinary channels to AMSPOON and associates." GERENDE, RAYMOND H. Sources: CIA Box 7, Folder 6 (MMF 201); CIA Doc JFK 104-10062-10001; 104-10414-10406 Mary's Comments: Page 1a. of 104-10414-10406 states "The support provided by the two LIEMPTY cutouts, Oliver G. SCANTLING and Raymond H. GERENDE, in the AMROD operation was essential to the operation." "The quality and quantity of operational information produced by the photographic bases and other activities under GERENDE's control..." Mary Ferrell’s site has a notation regarding THOMAS G. URQUHART, which is nothing more than the beginning sentence in the document I have posted here, URQUHART, THOMAS G. Sources: CIA Doc JFK 104-10062-10001 Mary's Comments: "Upon arriving at Mexico City Station Thomas G. URQUHART repacked the envelope..." what is more compelling from my vantage point is...... URQUHART, RUSSELL ----- Sources: WC Vol 22, pp. 157, 159; CD 87, SS 641, pp. 4, 9 Mary's Comments: Executive Secretary of YMCA on Ervay. Verified that LHO stayed there Oct. 3, 1963, to Oct. 4, 1963. Could not verify, but believed that LHO also stayed there Oct. 15 to Oct 19, 1962. He gave these records to FBI. more..... Castro's Secrets pg 236, by Latell, Brian (2012) Mexican capital to work against the Cuban target including two inside the embassy. Declassified records show that wittingly or not the Cuban charge code named AMRIFT played a critical role in the AMROD....... more from Castro's Secrets pg 266, by Latell, Brian (2012) Department AMFOX-1 10 AMLASH See Rolando Cubela AMLOUT See Raul Castro AMMUG See Vladimir Rodriguez Lahera AMNIP-I See Miguel Roche AMQUACK See Che Guevara AMRIFT 236 AMROD See Operation AMROD Home/Archive/Documents/JFK Assassination Documents/JFK Documents - Central Intelligence Agency/HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm)/HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 17: Ruiz - Webster)/ NARA Record Number: 104-10276-10049 CABLE: MISSION SUCCESSFUL VEGA 7/11/63 http://www.maryferre....do?docId=67056 1. MISSION SUCCESSFUL. FORTSON COLLECTED 1800 PESOS, REST DUE. PASSED CANO REPORTS 2. AMRIFT (SINIBAS CASADO) PROMISED TO COME ALONE BUT WAS CONVOYED BY AT LEAST TWO ASSOCIATES WHO TAILED FORTSON AFTER MEET BUT WERE SHAKEN OFF. 3. AMRIFT DESIRES TO TURN FORTSON OVER TO MANUEL VEGA. FORTSON REFUSED, HOPES FOR BETTER COMMO SYSTEM 4. TENTATIVE TELECON SET FOR 16 JULY BETWEEN FORTSON AND AMRIFT. MEANWHILE SCANTLING HAS CALLED AMRIFT ACCUSING HIM OF BAD FAITH. RECIEVED APOLOGY. DETAILS FOLLOW. 5. PLANS REMAIN TO HAVE FORTSON HIDDEN IN MEXI FOR NEXT 4 OR 5 DAYS, THEN LEAVE. END Robert: AMRIFT is almost certainly RAMON CINIBAS CASADO see below INFORMATION REPORT- RAMON SINOBAS CASADO pg 1 HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 21: AMMUG) RIF#: 104-10186-10108 (10/13/64) CIA#: 80T01357A https://www.maryferr....do?docId=18418 Robert: No intent to make a big deal out of these documents, other than to point out that the Mexico City with regards to Oswald could be more clarified by understanding that in addition to the visitors to the Cuban and Soviet Embassies in Mexico, the above document, I submit could indirectly shed light on additional cryptonyms currently not known, exfiltration operations at the time of the assassination and possibly lead to whether the above document does have some bearing on the Oswald case in relation to having a more in depth insight into the overall context of CIA operations in regards to Cuba. Would like to know who FORTSON is........ At one time the author of the Lopez Report, years ago, David Lopez, stated he didn't believe the real Oswald was ever at the Embassies in Mexico City......would like to know if he still feels that way. I believe there is a lot more to understanding Mexico City and Oswald than just the double angle, and hence, to understanding the assassination. Although I do have my copy of the updated Destiny Betrayed, and it is everything I could have hoped for. Edited April 11, 2013 by Robert Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) Although it is not my claim to know when all this began, but for a reference point this first document isn't a bad beginning, reminding that the later documents in this post are right at the time of the JFK assassination. RIF#: 104-10276-10045 (07/31/63) CIA#: 80T01357A MEMO FOR: MANUEL VEGA PEREZ pg Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 17: Ruiz - Webster) CIA HISTORICAL. REVIEW PROGRAM FULL 31 July 1963 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD 'SUBJECT Manuel VEGA Perez 1. During the meeting held 11 July 1963 between Oliver FORTSON (P) and AMRIFT in Mexico City, the latter endeavored to persuade FORTSON to accept Manuel VEGA Perez as his replacement in the “operation.” FORTSON refused saying that VEGA is a known Cuban IS officer by every cop on the beat in Mexico City and that furthermore some of the people being paid by VEGA are also being paid by other (unspecified) parties. AMRIFT was told that he, on the other hand was intelligent and was not suspected by the Mexicans of being in the intelligence business. AMRIFT was pleased with this presentation and did not pursue the matter of VEGA further. 2. Following this meeting a letter was written to AMRIFT allegedly from FORTSON’s superior. The letter contained greetings to AMRIFT by name in the body of the text, reiterated the point about VEGA, though it referred to him only as “fatty.” It is thought that AMRIFT might have taken this letter back to Havana with him when he traveled late in July 1963 to show as proof that he was reporting what FORTSON had said about VEGA. 3. It would appear that the blasting being given VEGA by FORTSON could easily reflect badly on VEGA, for he is shown to be both notorious and inept. It is therefore possible that sometime in the near future VEGA may be vulnerable to a pitch. 4. It is requested that no action be taken without the consultation of the AMROD case officer. CHARLES ANDERSON SAS/SO end next AGENCY : RECORD NUMBER : 104-10062-10001 RECORDS SERIES : JFK AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A DOCUMENT INFORMATION _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : COS, MEXICO CITY TO : CHIEF, SPECIAL AFFAIRS STAFF TITLE : DISPATCH RE (DELETION) OPERATION. DATE : 11/21/1963 PAGES : 2 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : MEXICO CITY INVESTIGATION NAME TRACE CLASSIFICATION : SECRET RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 07/17/93 OPENING CRITERIA : COMMENTS : JFK9:F6. 1993.07.17.09:06:17:460560 PREVIOUSLY SANITIZED DOCUMENT. https://www.maryferr...587&relPageId=3 104-10062-10001 DISPATCH RE (DELETION) OPERATION. TO: Chief Of Station Mexico City TYPIC [REDACTED Operation 1.Upon arriving at Mexico City Station [Thomas G. URQUHART] repacked the envelope for the 6th pass adding materials agreed upon at headquarters and saving out other less important items to use in later passes. 2. In order to comply with the [“AMRIFT”] instructions of their letter mailed 29 October 1963 [uRQUHART] and [GERENDE] make a phone call on 12 November 1963 to the telephone designated in that letter asking for [AMSPOON] [GERENDE] was told he was out of Mexico, [in PBRUMEN] and it was not known when or if he would return. 3. [GERENDE] checked the correct amount of postage that would be required on a special delivery letter. It was found to be 2.40 pesos postage and 50 cents special delivery stamp for 100 grams. 4. At 1100 hours on 15 November 1963 [uRQUHART] mailed the 6th pass at the special delivery chute at the main post office. Five minutes later the enve- lope had been absorbed for better or worse into the Mexico mail system. At the same time [GERENDE] dispatched a telegram, text attached to notify [AMSPOON] and associates that something was coming there way special delivery 5. The attached letter was then sent to [sCANTLING] for translation and mailing through ordinary channels to [AMSPOON] and associate. Mailing was effected 19 November. 6. The remainder of 15 November was taken up with examining available texts for passage setting up pass 7 and retyping reports that were found to be lacking in certain pouches. 7. After pouch 7 was tentatively packed and case officers concerned were shown how to seal them, a count was made of materials still available for passage. These are listed separately, but in summary there are [72] pages of good material and [106] pages counting material of doubtful value though high degree of authenticity. It is thus estimated that at least [two] good passes [(8 and 9]) can be made with material now available at the station. 8. For a [illegible] herewith a sample page from a [Gobernacion] file, which page 2, together with other materials collected, fill the requirement levied on Station for such items. (DER Y9251). Willard C. CURTISS more..... CURTIS, WILLARD C. Sources: CIA 31-7 (re-released as JFK 104-10015-10307, Lifton's pp. 281-283); CIA 48-19 (re-released as JFK 104-10015-10323, Lifton's pp. 320-322); CIA 73-28 (released first time as JFK 104-10015-10268, Lifton's pp. 181-183); CIA 116-50 re-release as CIA Doc JFK-104-10015-10153, p. 1; CIA 119-51 re-release as CIA Doc JFK-104-10015-10154; CIA 178-620; CIA 195-627; CIA 379-733; CIA 421-758; CIA 878-898; CIA 992-936; HSCA Reel 19, Box 12, Folder R (AMKW 14); CIA Doc JFK-104-10054-10023, p. 2; CIA Doc JFK 104-10052-10056; CIA Doc JFK 104-10086-10005 (originally released as CIA 648-825); CIA Doc JFK 104-10007-10152 (originally numbered CIA 1011-945 denied); CIA 158-610, re-released as CIA JFK 104-10015-10168, Lifton's pp. 91-93 Mary's Comments: Deputy Chief, Mexico City CIA station. (Is CIA 48-19 referring to Willard C. Curtis?) Willard C. Curtis is a "cover" name for Winston Scott. CIA 116-50 and CIA 158-610 re-releases To Curtis from Knight. Record: SCANTLING, OLIVER G. Sources: CIA Doc JFK 104-10015-10061 and JFK 104-10015-10334, Lifton's pp. 355-357 (originally released as CIA 24-534); CIA Doc JFK 104-10062-10001 Mary's Comments: (?) CIA 104-10414-10406 on page 1a. states "The support provided by the two LIEMPTY cutouts, Oliver G. SCANTLING and Raymond H. GERENDS in the AMROD operation was essential to this operation." Cryptonym of someone in Mexico under surveillance by CIA on 11/23/63. He was referred to as "S" and person providing coverage instructed to ask S's wife to have him return to Mexico and provide [J-144] if she did not have access to it. "...letter was then sent to SCANTLING for translation and mailing through ordinary channels to AMSPOON and associates." GERENDE, RAYMOND H. Sources: CIA Box 7, Folder 6 (MMF 201); CIA Doc JFK 104-10062-10001; 104-10414-10406 Mary's Comments: Page 1a. of 104-10414-10406 states "The support provided by the two LIEMPTY cutouts, Oliver G. SCANTLING and Raymond H. GERENDE, in the AMROD operation was essential to the operation." "The quality and quantity of operational information produced by the photographic bases and other activities under GERENDE's control..." Mary Ferrell’s site has a notation regarding THOMAS G. URQUHART, which is nothing more than the beginning sentence in the document I have posted here, URQUHART, THOMAS G. Sources: CIA Doc JFK 104-10062-10001 Mary's Comments: "Upon arriving at Mexico City Station Thomas G. URQUHART repacked the envelope..." what is more compelling from my vantage point is...... URQUHART, RUSSELL ----- Sources: WC Vol 22, pp. 157, 159; CD 87, SS 641, pp. 4, 9 Mary's Comments: Executive Secretary of YMCA on Ervay. Verified that LHO stayed there Oct. 3, 1963, to Oct. 4, 1963. Could not verify, but believed that LHO also stayed there Oct. 15 to Oct 19, 1962. He gave these records to FBI. more..... Castro's Secrets pg 236, by Latell, Brian (2012) Mexican capital to work against the Cuban target including two inside the embassy. Declassified records show that wittingly or not the Cuban charge code named AMRIFT played a critical role in the AMROD....... more from Castro's Secrets pg 266, by Latell, Brian (2012) Department AMFOX-1 10 AMLASH See Rolando Cubela AMLOUT See Raul Castro AMMUG See Vladimir Rodriguez Lahera AMNIP-I See Miguel Roche AMQUACK See Che Guevara AMRIFT 236 AMROD See Operation AMROD Home/Archive/Documents/JFK Assassination Documents/JFK Documents - Central Intelligence Agency/HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm)/HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 17: Ruiz - Webster)/ NARA Record Number: 104-10276-10049 CABLE: MISSION SUCCESSFUL VEGA 7/11/63 http://www.maryferre....do?docId=67056 1. MISSION SUCCESSFUL. FORTSON COLLECTED 1800 PESOS, REST DUE. PASSED CANO REPORTS 2. AMRIFT (SINIBAS CASADO) PROMISED TO COME ALONE BUT WAS CONVOYED BY AT LEAST TWO ASSOCIATES WHO TAILED FORTSON AFTER MEET BUT WERE SHAKEN OFF. 3. AMRIFT DESIRES TO TURN FORTSON OVER TO MANUEL VEGA. FORTSON REFUSED, HOPES FOR BETTER COMMO SYSTEM 4. TENTATIVE TELECON SET FOR 16 JULY BETWEEN FORTSON AND AMRIFT. MEANWHILE SCANTLING HAS CALLED AMRIFT ACCUSING HIM OF BAD FAITH. RECIEVED APOLOGY. DETAILS FOLLOW. 5. PLANS REMAIN TO HAVE FORTSON HIDDEN IN MEXI FOR NEXT 4 OR 5 DAYS, THEN LEAVE. END Robert: AMRIFT is almost certainly RAMON CINIBAS CASADO see below INFORMATION REPORT- RAMON SINOBAS CASADO pg 1 HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 21: AMMUG) RIF#: 104-10186-10108 (10/13/64) CIA#: 80T01357A https://www.maryferr....do?docId=18418 Robert: No intent to make a big deal out of these documents, other than to point out that the Mexico City with regards to Oswald could be more clarified by understanding that in addition to the visitors to the Cuban and Soviet Embassies in Mexico, the above document, I submit could indirectly shed light on additional cryptonyms currently not known, exfiltration operations at the time of the assassination and possibly lead to whether the above document does have some bearing on the Oswald case in relation to having a more in depth insight into the overall context of CIA operations in regards to Cuba. Would like to know who FORTSON is........ At one time the author of the Lopez Report, years ago, David Lopez, stated he didn't believe the real Oswald was ever at the Embassies in Mexico City......would like to know if he still feels that way. I believe there is a lot more to understanding Mexico City and Oswald than just the double angle, and hence, to understanding the assassination. Although I do have my copy of the updated Destiny Betrayed, and it is everything I could have hoped for. Robert, Interesting subject matter. A bit Byzantine and beyond my ken, but Intuitively worthy of a bump, IMHO. Hopefully someone else will eventually comment on it. --Tommy Edited April 12, 2013 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) Although it is not my claim to know when all this began, but for a reference point this first document isn't a bad beginning, reminding that the later documents in this post are right at the time of the JFK assassination. RIF#: 104-10276-10045 (07/31/63) CIA#: 80T01357A MEMO FOR: MANUEL VEGA PEREZ pg Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 17: Ruiz - Webster) CIA HISTORICAL. REVIEW PROGRAM FULL 31 July 1963 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD 'SUBJECT Manuel VEGA Perez 1. During the meeting held 11 July 1963 between Oliver FORTSON (P) and AMRIFT in Mexico City, the latter endeavored to persuade FORTSON to accept Manuel VEGA Perez as his replacement in the “operation.” FORTSON refused saying that VEGA is a known Cuban IS officer by every cop on the beat in Mexico City and that furthermore some of the people being paid by VEGA are also being paid by other (unspecified) parties. AMRIFT was told that he, on the other hand was intelligent and was not suspected by the Mexicans of being in the intelligence business. AMRIFT was pleased with this presentation and did not pursue the matter of VEGA further. 2. Following this meeting a letter was written to AMRIFT allegedly from FORTSON’s superior. The letter contained greetings to AMRIFT by name in the body of the text, reiterated the point about VEGA, though it referred to him only as “fatty.” It is thought that AMRIFT might have taken this letter back to Havana with him when he traveled late in July 1963 to show as proof that he was reporting what FORTSON had said about VEGA. 3. It would appear that the blasting being given VEGA by FORTSON could easily reflect badly on VEGA, for he is shown to be both notorious and inept. It is therefore possible that sometime in the near future VEGA may be vulnerable to a pitch. 4. It is requested that no action be taken without the consultation of the AMROD case officer. CHARLES ANDERSON SAS/SO end next AGENCY : RECORD NUMBER : 104-10062-10001 RECORDS SERIES : JFK AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A DOCUMENT INFORMATION _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : COS, MEXICO CITY TO : CHIEF, SPECIAL AFFAIRS STAFF TITLE : DISPATCH RE (DELETION) OPERATION. DATE : 11/21/1963 PAGES : 2 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : MEXICO CITY INVESTIGATION NAME TRACE CLASSIFICATION : SECRET RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 07/17/93 OPENING CRITERIA : COMMENTS : JFK9:F6. 1993.07.17.09:06:17:460560 PREVIOUSLY SANITIZED DOCUMENT. https://www.maryferr...587&relPageId=3 104-10062-10001 DISPATCH RE (DELETION) OPERATION. TO: Chief Of Station Mexico City TYPIC [REDACTED Operation 1.Upon arriving at Mexico City Station [Thomas G. URQUHART] repacked the envelope for the 6th pass adding materials agreed upon at headquarters and saving out other less important items to use in later passes. 2. In order to comply with the [“AMRIFT”] instructions of their letter mailed 29 October 1963 [uRQUHART] and [GERENDE] make a phone call on 12 November 1963 to the telephone designated in that letter asking for [AMSPOON] [GERENDE] was told he was out of Mexico, [in PBRUMEN] and it was not known when or if he would return. 3. [GERENDE] checked the correct amount of postage that would be required on a special delivery letter. It was found to be 2.40 pesos postage and 50 cents special delivery stamp for 100 grams. 4. At 1100 hours on 15 November 1963 [uRQUHART] mailed the 6th pass at the special delivery chute at the main post office. Five minutes later the enve- lope had been absorbed for better or worse into the Mexico mail system. At the same time [GERENDE] dispatched a telegram, text attached to notify [AMSPOON] and associates that something was coming there way special delivery 5. The attached letter was then sent to [sCANTLING] for translation and mailing through ordinary channels to [AMSPOON] and associate. Mailing was effected 19 November. 6. The remainder of 15 November was taken up with examining available texts for passage setting up pass 7 and retyping reports that were found to be lacking in certain pouches. 7. After pouch 7 was tentatively packed and case officers concerned were shown how to seal them, a count was made of materials still available for passage. These are listed separately, but in summary there are [72] pages of good material and [106] pages counting material of doubtful value though high degree of authenticity. It is thus estimated that at least [two] good passes [(8 and 9]) can be made with material now available at the station. 8. For a [illegible] herewith a sample page from a [Gobernacion] file, which page 2, together with other materials collected, fill the requirement levied on Station for such items. (DER Y9251). Willard C. CURTISS more..... CURTIS, WILLARD C. Sources: CIA 31-7 (re-released as JFK 104-10015-10307, Lifton's pp. 281-283); CIA 48-19 (re-released as JFK 104-10015-10323, Lifton's pp. 320-322); CIA 73-28 (released first time as JFK 104-10015-10268, Lifton's pp. 181-183); CIA 116-50 re-release as CIA Doc JFK-104-10015-10153, p. 1; CIA 119-51 re-release as CIA Doc JFK-104-10015-10154; CIA 178-620; CIA 195-627; CIA 379-733; CIA 421-758; CIA 878-898; CIA 992-936; HSCA Reel 19, Box 12, Folder R (AMKW 14); CIA Doc JFK-104-10054-10023, p. 2; CIA Doc JFK 104-10052-10056; CIA Doc JFK 104-10086-10005 (originally released as CIA 648-825); CIA Doc JFK 104-10007-10152 (originally numbered CIA 1011-945 denied); CIA 158-610, re-released as CIA JFK 104-10015-10168, Lifton's pp. 91-93 Mary's Comments: Deputy Chief, Mexico City CIA station. (Is CIA 48-19 referring to Willard C. Curtis?) Willard C. Curtis is a "cover" name for Winston Scott. CIA 116-50 and CIA 158-610 re-releases To Curtis from Knight. Record: SCANTLING, OLIVER G. Sources: CIA Doc JFK 104-10015-10061 and JFK 104-10015-10334, Lifton's pp. 355-357 (originally released as CIA 24-534); CIA Doc JFK 104-10062-10001 Mary's Comments: (?) CIA 104-10414-10406 on page 1a. states "The support provided by the two LIEMPTY cutouts, Oliver G. SCANTLING and Raymond H. GERENDS in the AMROD operation was essential to this operation." Cryptonym of someone in Mexico under surveillance by CIA on 11/23/63. He was referred to as "S" and person providing coverage instructed to ask S's wife to have him return to Mexico and provide [J-144] if she did not have access to it. "...letter was then sent to SCANTLING for translation and mailing through ordinary channels to AMSPOON and associates." GERENDE, RAYMOND H. Sources: CIA Box 7, Folder 6 (MMF 201); CIA Doc JFK 104-10062-10001; 104-10414-10406 Mary's Comments: Page 1a. of 104-10414-10406 states "The support provided by the two LIEMPTY cutouts, Oliver G. SCANTLING and Raymond H. GERENDE, in the AMROD operation was essential to the operation." "The quality and quantity of operational information produced by the photographic bases and other activities under GERENDE's control..." Mary Ferrell’s site has a notation regarding THOMAS G. URQUHART, which is nothing more than the beginning sentence in the document I have posted here, URQUHART, THOMAS G. Sources: CIA Doc JFK 104-10062-10001 Mary's Comments: "Upon arriving at Mexico City Station Thomas G. URQUHART repacked the envelope..." what is more compelling from my vantage point is...... URQUHART, RUSSELL ----- Sources: WC Vol 22, pp. 157, 159; CD 87, SS 641, pp. 4, 9 Mary's Comments: Executive Secretary of YMCA on Ervay. Verified that LHO stayed there Oct. 3, 1963, to Oct. 4, 1963. Could not verify, but believed that LHO also stayed there Oct. 15 to Oct 19, 1962. He gave these records to FBI. more..... Castro's Secrets pg 236, by Latell, Brian (2012) Mexican capital to work against the Cuban target including two inside the embassy. Declassified records show that wittingly or not the Cuban charge code named AMRIFT played a critical role in the AMROD....... more from Castro's Secrets pg 266, by Latell, Brian (2012) Department AMFOX-1 10 AMLASH See Rolando Cubela AMLOUT See Raul Castro AMMUG See Vladimir Rodriguez Lahera AMNIP-I See Miguel Roche AMQUACK See Che Guevara AMRIFT 236 AMROD See Operation AMROD Home/Archive/Documents/JFK Assassination Documents/JFK Documents - Central Intelligence Agency/HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm)/HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 17: Ruiz - Webster)/ NARA Record Number: 104-10276-10049 CABLE: MISSION SUCCESSFUL VEGA 7/11/63 http://www.maryferre....do?docId=67056 1. MISSION SUCCESSFUL. FORTSON COLLECTED 1800 PESOS, REST DUE. PASSED CANO REPORTS 2. AMRIFT (SINIBAS CASADO) PROMISED TO COME ALONE BUT WAS CONVOYED BY AT LEAST TWO ASSOCIATES WHO TAILED FORTSON AFTER MEET BUT WERE SHAKEN OFF. 3. AMRIFT DESIRES TO TURN FORTSON OVER TO MANUEL VEGA. FORTSON REFUSED, HOPES FOR BETTER COMMO SYSTEM 4. TENTATIVE TELECON SET FOR 16 JULY BETWEEN FORTSON AND AMRIFT. MEANWHILE SCANTLING HAS CALLED AMRIFT ACCUSING HIM OF BAD FAITH. RECIEVED APOLOGY. DETAILS FOLLOW. 5. PLANS REMAIN TO HAVE FORTSON HIDDEN IN MEXI FOR NEXT 4 OR 5 DAYS, THEN LEAVE. END Robert: AMRIFT is almost certainly RAMON CINIBAS CASADO see below INFORMATION REPORT- RAMON SINOBAS CASADO pg 1 HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 21: AMMUG) RIF#: 104-10186-10108 (10/13/64) CIA#: 80T01357A https://www.maryferr....do?docId=18418 Robert: No intent to make a big deal out of these documents, other than to point out that the Mexico City with regards to Oswald could be more clarified by understanding that in addition to the visitors to the Cuban and Soviet Embassies in Mexico, the above document, I submit could indirectly shed light on additional cryptonyms currently not known, exfiltration operations at the time of the assassination and possibly lead to whether the above document does have some bearing on the Oswald case in relation to having a more in depth insight into the overall context of CIA operations in regards to Cuba. Would like to know who FORTSON is........ At one time the author of the Lopez Report, years ago, David Lopez, stated he didn't believe the real Oswald was ever at the Embassies in Mexico City......would like to know if he still feels that way. I believe there is a lot more to understanding Mexico City and Oswald than just the double angle, and hence, to understanding the assassination. Although I do have my copy of the updated Destiny Betrayed, and it is everything I could have hoped for. Robert, Apparently, "Fortson" was a / the FBI representative in Mexico City on 11/22/63. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=31316&relPageId=3&search=fortson (As you probably know, "ODENVY" is the FBI and "MNTY" stands for Monterrey, Mexico.) --Tommy Edited November 21, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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