Robert D. Steel, ONI Special Agent who congratulated Paul Bentley for arresting Oswald

[Greg Parker]

No, Greg.

He said, "It [the Dallas ONI office] was in the building that Kennedy was killed from."

I think you're reading too much into it, Tommy.

You're entitled to your opinion, Greg.

That's what Steel said. Verbatim.

--Tommy

Tommy, show me where he mentioned that the ONI office was the Command Post for the assassination. That is your interpretation, and you are entitled to it. But those are not his words.

[Thomas Graves]

No, Greg.

He said, "It [the Dallas ONI office] was in the building that Kennedy was killed from."

I think you're reading too much into it, Tommy.

You're entitled to your opinion, Greg.

That's what Steel said. Verbatim.

--Tommy

Tommy, show me where he mentioned that the ONI office was the Command Post for the assassination. That is your interpretation, and you are entitled to it. But those are not his words.

Parker,

Don't put your words into my mouth.

To answer your question, it's known as putting two plus two together and reading between the lines and using a little intuition.

Of course he didn't come right out and say, on tape, "The Dallas ONI office was in in the Terminal Annex Building, the same building that the command center for the JFK assassination was in."

Would you expect him to say that, even if it was?

You were not there with him.

I was.

I asked him where the Dallas ONI office was in 1963, and he said:

"It was across the street. It was in the postal building. It was in the building that Kennedy was killed from."

I thought about that for a long time and I couldn't see how JFK could have been killed from the Terminal Annex Building because Jackie was in the way, but then I realized that the upper floors of that building offered a commanding view (pardon the pun) of the assassination, and would have been an excellent location for the command center, and I came to the conclusion that that was what Steel was obliquely referring to and that he had almost let the cat out of the bag..

I think that Steel's statement, quoted verbatim above, taken in conjunction with his apparent inability to remember where he was when he heard that JFK had been shot, makes his statement much more sinister than you would have it.

Respectfully,

--Tommy

Edited January 14, 2016 by Thomas Graves

[Thomas Graves]

Vanessa,

Everyone can remember where they were and what they were doing except, of course, the retired ONI special agent, Robert David Steel, who told me he had "very probably" done the investigation of Oswald at El Toro when Oswald defected to Russia, who was a good friend of Oswald's arrester, Paul Bentley, and whom I interviewed on tape a few years ago (and which tape I am still waiting for Bill Kelly to return to me). Steel could remember how long his small WW II ship (USS Sea Scout) was, where he was when he heard that Pearl Harbor had been attacked (Brownwood, Texas), but for the life of him he couldn't seem to remember where he was when he heard JFK had been shot.

But I digress.

--Tommy

I'm bumping this thread for Mark Valenti.

--Tommy

Edited April 11, 2015 by Thomas Graves

[Thomas Graves]

the Dallas ONI office was "Across the street. It was in the Postal Building, it was in the building that Kennedy was killed from."

Tommy,

I'm sure he meant "across the street. It was in the Postal Building. It was [across the street from] the building that Kennedy was killed from."

Greg,

You're sure, huh?

The old award-winning poetic intuition kicking in, is it?

--Tommy

[Thomas Graves]

No, Greg.

He said, "It [the Dallas ONI office] was in the building that Kennedy was killed from."

I think you're reading too much into it, Tommy.

You're entitled to your opinion, Greg.

That's what Steel said. Verbatim.

--Tommy

Tommy, show me where he mentioned that the ONI office was the Command Post for the assassination. That is your interpretation, and you are entitled to it. But those are not his words.

Parker,

Don't put your words into my mouth.

To answer your question, it's known as putting two plus two together and reading between the lines and using a little intuition.

Of course he didn't come right out and say, on tape, "The Dallas ONI office was in in the Terminal Annex Building, the same building that the command center for the JFK assassination was in."

Would you expect him to say that, even if it was?

You were not there with him.

I was.

I asked him where the Dallas ONI office was in 1963, and he said:

"It was across the street. It was in the postal building. It was in the building that Kennedy was killed from."

I thought about that for a long time and I couldn't see how JFK could have been killed from the Terminal Annex Building because Jackie was in the way, but then I realized that the upper floors of that building offered a commanding view (pardon the pun) of the assassination, and would have been an excellent location for the command center, and I came to the conclusion that that was what Steel was obliquely referring to and that he had almost let the cat out of the bag..

I think that Steel's statement, quoted verbatim above, taken in conjunction with his apparent inability to remember where he was when he heard that JFK had been shot, makes his statement much more sinister than you would have it.

Respectfully,

--Tommy

edited and bumped

[Greg Parker]

To answer your question, it's known as putting two plus two together and reading between the lines and using a little intuition.

Hmmm. May as well read the IChing or tea leaves.

I prefer Tarot. You drew the Two of Books.

This depicts the Two Faces of Tommy. The Geezer with the hammer is the Tommy of Today - apparently right down to dress sense. He thinks what someone said can be hammered into shape for his purposes.

The Old Tommy - who is really the Young Tommy, on the other hand, is far wiser. He knows that whilst money doesn't grow on trees, books do, but that they should not be consumed until they are ripe. Unfortunately for Old Tommy (recalling that he is really the Young Tommy) by the time they are ripe, they are beyond his reach.

Alas, both Tommys are in a bad place.

[Thomas Graves]

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[Thomas Graves]

To answer your question, it's known as putting two plus two together and reading between the lines and using a little intuition.

Hmmm. May as well read the IChing or tea leaves.

I prefer Tarot. You drew the Two of Books.

This depicts the Two Faces of Tommy. The Geezer with the hammer is the Tommy of Today - apparently right down to dress sense. He thinks what someone said can be hammered into shape for his purposes.

The Old Tommy - who is really the Young Tommy, on the other hand, is far wiser. He knows that whilst money doesn't grow on trees, books do, but that they should not be consumed until they are ripe. Unfortunately for Old Tommy (recalling that he is really the Young Tommy) by the time they are ripe, they are beyond his reach.

Alas, both Tommys are in a bad place.

Greg,

Great post! Very witty! And artistic! And poetic in a free-verse-kind-of-way!

But why so much animosity?

Don't want the ONI to be involved in the assassination of JFK?

Or you do, but only on your terms?

Something that will fit in with your book, won't contradict it?

--Tommy

Edited January 14, 2016 by Thomas Graves

[Ian Lloyd]

Vanessa,

Everyone can remember where they were and what they were doing except, of course, the retired ONI special agent, Robert David Steel, who told me he had "very probably" done the investigation of Oswald at El Toro when Oswald defected to Russia, who was a good friend of Oswald's arrester, Paul Bentley, and whom I interviewed on tape a few years ago (and which tape I am still waiting for Bill Kelly to return to me). Steele could remember how long his small WW II ship (USS Sea Scout) was, where he was when he heard that Pearl Harbor had been attacked (Brownwood, Texas), but for the life of him he couldn't seem to remember where he was when he heard JFK had been shot.

But I digress.

--Tommy

Vanessa Loney, on 06 Apr 2015 - 9:13 PM, said:

Hi Tommy

Well, there's only two possible explanations for that. He was either 1) in Dealey Plaza doing the shooting; or 2) Prayer Man.

Vanessa,

Good one!

Btw, when I asked him where the ONI office was situated in Dallas in 1963, he said, "It was across the street (from the TSBD?), it was in the Postal building (the Terminal Annex Building had a post office in it !), it was in the building Kennedy was killed from ("killed from" meaning where the command center / observation center was located? -- maybe even Harry Holmes' upper floor office?) "

But I digress, again.

--Tommy

Tommy,

When he said "...it was the building Kennedy was killed from.", did you follow that up with anything like "Can you elaborate on that please?" or "I thought he was supposed to have been killed from the TSBD"??? If so (I presume you did, I certainly would have), what was his response?

[Thomas Graves]

Vanessa,

Everyone can remember where they were and what they were doing except, of course, the retired ONI special agent, Robert David Steel, who told me he had "very probably" done the investigation of Oswald at El Toro when Oswald defected to Russia, who was a good friend of Oswald's arrester, Paul Bentley, and whom I interviewed on tape a few years ago (and which tape I am still waiting for Bill Kelly to return to me). Steele could remember how long his small WW II ship (USS Sea Scout) was, where he was when he heard that Pearl Harbor had been attacked (Brownwood, Texas), but for the life of him he couldn't seem to remember where he was when he heard JFK had been shot.

But I digress.

--Tommy

Vanessa Loney, on 06 Apr 2015 - 9:13 PM, said:

Hi Tommy

Well, there's only two possible explanations for that. He was either 1) in Dealey Plaza doing the shooting; or 2) Prayer Man.

Vanessa,

Good one!

Btw, when I asked him where the ONI office was situated in Dallas in 1963, he said, "It was across the street (from the TSBD?), it was in the Postal building (the Terminal Annex Building had a post office in it !), it was in the building Kennedy was killed from ("killed from" meaning where the command center / observation center was located? -- maybe even Harry Holmes' upper floor office?) "

But I digress, again.

--Tommy

Tommy,

When he said "...it was the building Kennedy was killed from.", did you follow that up with anything like "Can you elaborate on that please?" or "I thought he was supposed to have been killed from the TSBD"??? If so (I presume you did, I certainly would have), what was his response?

Ian,

Thanks for asking.

"[The ONI office] was across the street. It was in the Postal Building. It was in the building Kennedy was killed from." -- Robert D. Steel

When he said that, my first thought was that he was confused on the location of the TSBD, or the location of the Main Post Office on North Ervay, or the route of the motorcade or something. But I didn't correct him or prompt him right away. I intuited that he'd said something very significant and I was simultaneously trying to formulate a good follow-up question and hoping that my silence while doing so would make him a little nervous and that he'd say some more interesting stuff on his own, and I didn't want to influence him on that. What I did say finally was, "The Postal Building (i.e., the Terminal Annex Building) was on the south side of Dealey Plaza."

At that point he just stared at me rather blankly and muttered / almost whispered the word, "Yes" with a slight note of resignation in his voice. I don't want to sound overly dramatic here, but I do remember thinking that he looked like the proverbial "deer caught in the headlights."

Perhaps I should have pressed him on what the heck he meant by, "[The ONI office] was in the building that Kennedy was killed from," but I didn't.

I thought I'd touched a nerve; that he realized that he'd nearly "let the cat out of the bag big-time," and my intuition as a first-time interviewer told me that he'd told me something very significant, but something I didn't quite understand yet, and that he might volunteer something later in the interview that would help me to understand.

I think my intuition told me that if I asked him to explain what he'd just said, that he would clam up.

Maybe I was a lousy interviewer, but I feel I did the best that I could.

[...]

--Tommy

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[Greg Parker]

my intuition told me

You got the big Kahuna himself this time, Tommy. The Devil is the 15th card in the deck. It boils down to 6 numerologically speaking and 6 is one third of His number. So you were being a little bit devilish when you invoked my name. Not too much. Just a little bit. The Devil himself is half goat. Appropriate as He is everyone's favorite Scapegoat. Who are scpaegoating here, Tommy?

Don't make me draw another card to find out.

[Thomas Graves]

my intuition told me

You got the big Kahuna himself this time, Tommy. The Devil is the 15th card in the deck. It boils down to 6 numerologically speaking and 6 is one third of His number. So you were being a little bit devilish when you invoked my name. Not too much. Just a little bit. The Devil himself is half goat. Appropriate as He is everyone's favorite Scapegoat. Who are scpaegoating here, Tommy?

Don't make me draw another card to find out.

Greg,

Go Find yourself.

--Tommy

[Thomas Graves]

my intuition told me

You got the big Kahuna himself this time, Tommy. The Devil is the 15th card in the deck. It boils down to 6 numerologically speaking and 6 is one third of His number. So you were being a little bit devilish when you invoked my name. Not too much. Just a little bit. The Devil himself is half goat. Appropriate as He is everyone's favorite Scapegoat. Who are scpaegoating here, Tommy?

Don't make me draw another card to find out.

Dear Greg,

LOL! Good one!

Say, I have a good idea! --

Why don't you Go Find Yourself ?

--Tommy

Are experienced interviewers of retired long-time ONI special agents who are suspected, by those interviewers. of being complicit in the assassination of an American President expected to use their intuition in said interviews / interrogations?

Yes?

Well, what about inexperienced interviewers?

Edited January 14, 2016 by Thomas Graves

[Greg Parker]

my intuition told me

You got the big Kahuna himself this time, Tommy. The Devil is the 15th card in the deck. It boils down to 6 numerologically speaking and 6 is one third of His number. So you were being a little bit devilish when you invoked my name. Not too much. Just a little bit. The Devil himself is half goat. Appropriate as He is everyone's favorite Scapegoat. Who are scpaegoating here, Tommy?

Don't make me draw another card to find out.

Dear Greg,

Go Find yourself.

--Tommy

Are experienced interviewers / interrogators of retired long-time ONI special agents who are suspected, by those interviewers / interrogators, of being complicit in the assassination of an American President expected to use their intuition in said interviews / interrogations?

Yes?

Well, what about inexperienced interviewers / interrogators, then?

I'd highly recommend the Reid Interrogation Technique. Even the most inept of interviewers can be transformed into Will Fritz using this system, or your money back! Confessions guaranteed! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_technique

And as an added bonus, when using this system, you get to use all the intuition you want in creating your very scenario!

[Thomas Graves]

Deleted double post. Sorry, the Devil made me do it. --Tommy

Edited January 14, 2016 by Thomas Graves