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This is the transcription of notes taken by Harold Weisberg of a conversation he had with Robert and Mrs. Castorr.

 

I don't know when this interview took place.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/C Disk/Castorr L Robert Colonel/Item 02.pdf

 

W: (Weisberg)

We started to talk before about the ice cream parlors. You told

me something about this man who had/the ice cream parlors

about 100

Mrs. C: (Castorr)

No, he had one factory and he employed about 100 Cubans and

he -- I don't know whether it was before or after the assassination

I heard that he had gone to Puerto Rico

 

W:

But the ice cream man was in Dallas and had a going business there.

Mrs. C:

Yes. And hired about 100 Cubans. So you see, after this story

was in the paper that the man who owned the ice cream place was

going to sell to the other man, and I said well wasn't that an interesting story and the man said "Oh, it's only publicity the guy just likes to see his name in the paper"

W:

And then he disappeared.

Mrs. C:

So I don't even know what happened to the ice cream factory but

in one of these -- it must be in the big book where Father McCann

is questioned as to "Do you know so and so " And it's one of the

people named there that is going to buy that.

I have run across a reference to this ice cream factory before, but I can't remember where it was.

 

Does anyone know anything about this ice cream factory?

 

Steve Thomas

 

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13 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

This is the transcription of notes taken by Harold Weisberg of a conversation he had with Robert and Mrs. Castorr.

 

I don't know when this interview took place.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/C Disk/Castorr L Robert Colonel/Item 02.pdf

Steve Thomas

 

Looks like it took place at the Castorr's home on January 3, 1968

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/C Disk/Castorr L Robert Colonel/Item 23.pdf

 

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46 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

Looks like it took place at the Castorr's home on January 3, 1968

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/C Disk/Castorr L Robert Colonel/Item 23.pdf

 

Steve Thomas

This is a fascinating interview. Look at pp. 38 - 39.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/C Disk/Castorr L Robert Colonel/Item 23.pdf

 

Is this the Davis that Ruby was so concerned about, rather than Thomas Eli Davis?

 

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3 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

This is the transcription of notes taken by Harold Weisberg of a conversation he had with Robert and Mrs. Castorr.

 

I don't know when this interview took place.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/C Disk/Castorr L Robert Colonel/Item 02.pdf

 

W: (Weisberg)

We started to talk before about the ice cream parlors. You told

me something about this man who had/the ice cream parlors

about 100

Mrs. C: (Castorr)

No, he had one factory and he employed about 100 Cubans and

he -- I don't know whether it was before or after the assassination

I heard that he had gone to Puerto Rico

 

W:

But the ice cream man was in Dallas and had a going business there.

Mrs. C:

Yes. And hired about 100 Cubans. So you see, after this story

was in the paper that the man who owned the ice cream place was

going to sell to the other man, and I said well wasn't that an interesting story and the man said "Oh, it's only publicity the guy just likes to see his name in the paper"

W:

And then he disappeared.

Mrs. C:

So I don't even know what happened to the ice cream factory but

in one of these -- it must be in the big book where Father McCann

is questioned as to "Do you know so and so " And it's one of the

people named there that is going to buy that.

I have run across a reference to this ice cream factory before, but I can't remember where it was.

 

Does anyone know anything about this ice cream factory?

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

Steve,

No, but fwiw, I seem to remember that Sylvia Odio's ex-husband was from PR, or some such thing.

--  Tommy :sun

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2 hours ago, Thomas Graves said:

 

Steve,

No, but fwiw, I seem to remember that Sylvia Odio's ex-husband was from PR, or some such thing.

--  Tommy :sun

Thomas,

 

Did you happen to read that interview Weisberg did with the Castorrs'?

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/C Disk/Castorr L Robert Colonel/Item 23.pdf

 

If you did, what did you think? It covers a lot of ground doesn't it?

General Walker's homosexuality, the fake Oswald down in Mexico City, Father McCahann hearing something in the confessional that caused him to freak out, Sylvia Odio hiding some letters in a pillow that she lost and was frantic to get back... some really interesting stuff.

 

PS: Somewhere in the interview, it says something about SS Agent Thomas Kelley asking Father McCahann down in New Orleans if he knew so and so that was somehow associated with this ice cream factory purchase. I haven't gone back and read Kelley's account of his interview with McCahann.

 

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10 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Thomas,

 

Did you happen to read that interview Weisberg did with the Castorrs'?

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/C Disk/Castorr L Robert Colonel/Item 23.pdf

 

If you did, what did you think? It covers a lot of ground doesn't it?

General Walker's homosexuality, the fake Oswald down in Mexico City, Father McCahann hearing something in the confessional that caused him to freak out, Sylvia Odio hiding some letters in a pillow that she lost and was frantic to get back... some really interesting stuff.

 

PS: Somewhere in the interview, it says something about SS Agent Thomas Kelley asking Father McCahann down in New Orleans if he knew so and so that was somehow associated with this ice cream factory purchase. I haven't gone back and read Kelley's account of his interview with McCahann.

 

Steve Thomas

Steve,

No, I haven't, but it does look interesting.  I'm too tired to read the whole thing right now, but one thing I noticed while "skimming" the first few pages is the mentioning of a "Mr. Forray."  It made me think of David Ferrie for some strange reason.

Naw, it couldn't be, .... could it?

--  Tommy :sun

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9 hours ago, Thomas Graves said:

Steve,

No, I haven't, but it does look interesting.  I'm too tired to read the whole thing right now, but one thing I noticed while "skimming" the first few pages is the mentioning of a "Mr. Forray."  It made me think of David Ferrie for some strange reason.

Naw, it couldn't be, .... could it?

--  Tommy :sun

Nawww.

Not one chance in a gazillion, billion.

 

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Steve,

Yeah, right.

Regardless, I've found something interesting.  "Davis" might have been Harold Byrd of TSBD fame.

" W:  Let me tell you something I learned about that, Bob, in New Orleans. Before [Walker] went there, he went to New Orleans to recruit people to join him on a march -- I can produce a number of people of this sort for you to whom he spoke. And there was a man by the name of (I think) of L. P. Davis who had a close association with Walker -- Davis was a wealthy oil operator, I believe, in New Orleans with some shipping -- barges, maybe....

Mr C:  I spoke to now wait a minute some bird [Byrd?] down there -- off shore New Orleans and barges That could be Davis, It could be but I don't know the connection now [...] "

 

A 2006 post by Tom Purvis:

Although D. H. Byrd was by no means poor, his wealth was perhaps more along the lines of "pocket change" when compared to that which his wife, Martha Caruth, inherited.

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online...es/BB/kbb6.html

http://www.tambcd.edu/centennial/car_history.htm

I do believe that this was where Marina Oswald got her teeth fixed.

http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?invoca...ion+of+Texas%22

http://www.cftexas.org/history.htm

In 1974, W.W. "Will" Caruth Jr. established the W.W. Caruth Jr. Foundation as a supporting organization at Communities Foundation of Texas, adding a new chapter to the Caruth family's historic legacy. Through the years, Will Caruth shared much of his fortune with others through the foundation and helped CFT improve the Dallas community where his family had lived since 1848. He had preferences for bold giving in the areas of education, public safety, medical and scientific research, and "bootstrapping" social assistance initiatives. CFT has been diligent to honor these. His wife, the late Mabel Peters Caruth, continued his tradition with an inspiring $34 million bequest to build the new CFT headquarters.

Lastly, it was through marriage into the Caruth family to D. H. Byrd achieved his "prestige" in which he could run with and associate with the most notable of society.

The Caruth family were members of an extremely elite society which was the :

http://www.magnacharta.org/Default.htm

The National Society

Magna Charta Dames and Barons

Lastly, among those members of this elite society was included;

John W. Sims

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SPECIALTY BARGES, INC.

Registered Agent (Appointed 9/19/1957): JOHN W. SIMS, 420 HIBERNIA BK BD, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

Registered Agent (Appointed 9/19/1957): LOUIS B. CLAVERIE, 420 HIBERNIA BK BD, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

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Registered Name: PHELPS, DUNBAR, MARKS, CLAVERIE & SIMS

Applicant: PHELPS DUNBAR, 365 CANAL STREET, STE 2000, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70130-0000

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It would be remiss to not also point out the fact:

MARINE EQUIPMENT INC.

Registered Agent (Appointed 9/05/1952): JOHN W SIMS, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70150

Registered Agent (Appointed 9/05/1952): EDWARD D FINLEY JR, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70150

Registered Agent (Appointed 9/05/1952): W. B. SPENCER, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70150

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Name: JUNIOR MUSICIANS OF AMERICA, INC.

Registered Agent (Appointed 6/12/1937): WALKER B. SPENCER, 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

Registered Agent (Appointed 6/12/1937): ESMOND PHELPS, 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

Registered Agent (Appointed 6/12/1937): CHAS. E. DUNBAR, JR., 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

 

--  Tommy :sun

 

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Steve,

Yeah, right.

Regardless, I've found something interesting.  "Davis" might have been Harold Byrd of TSBD fame.

" W:  Let me tell you something I learned about that, Bob, in New Orleans. Before [Walker] went there, he went to New Orleans to recruit people to join him on a march -- I can produce a number of people of this sort for you to whom he spoke. And there was a man by the name of (I think) of L. P. Davis who had a close association with Walker -- Davis was a wealthy oil operator, I believe, in New Orleans with some shipping -- barges, maybe....

Mr C:  I spoke to now wait a minute some bird [Byrd?] down there -- off shore New Orleans and barges That could be Davis, It could be but I don't know the connection now [...] "

Thomas,

 

Do you know if any of the names you brought up in your post cross-reference to the Lykes Bros. Steamship Company?

 

Steve Thomas

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2 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

Thomas,

Do you know if any of the names you brought up in your post cross-reference to the Lykes Bros. Steamship Company?

Steve Thomas

Steve,

I haven't gotten that far yet, but I wouldn't be surprised.  (Good idea, Steve.  I hadn't thought of that.)

I think we might be onto something here.

Going to bed soon.  I'll work on it tomorrow....

--  Tommy :sun

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2 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Steve,

I haven't gotten that far yet, but I wouldn't be surprised.  (Good idea, Steve.  I hadn't thought of that.)

I think we might be onto something here.

Going to bed soon.  I'll work on it tomorrow....

--  Tommy :sun

This could be interesting:  http://www.worldcat.org/title/history-of-the-new-orleans-law-firm-of-phelps-dunbar-marks-claverie-sims-during-its-first-125-years-1857-1982/oclc/214282942

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