Oswald's Light-Colored Jacket

[Michael Griffith]

Interestingly, Oswald reportedly told his interrogators that he went straight to the Texas Theater from his boarding house. That rings true. Two witnesses said Oswald entered the theater just a few minutes after 1:00 and remained there until he was arrested. 

The key point about the Tippit shooting is that the case against Oswald is literally plastered with holes. Contradictions and implausible assumptions abound. No one has yet come up with a rational, believable innocent explanation for why Tippit was even in Oswald's neighborhood in the first place. Nor can anyone provide a rational, credible explanation for why Tippit would have stopped the assailant if the assailant was Oswald.

The ballistics evidence was clearly tampered with. An experienced cop is not going to confuse revolver shells for automatic shells, and vice versa. It is easy to tell them apart, especially since .38 automatic shells are marked ".38 AUTO" on the bottom. Conveniently missing initials on shells, even though clear instructions were given to mark them.

The wrong fingerprints on the front passenger door and the right front fender of Tippit's car. Markedly contradictory descriptions of the shooter and of the number of shooters and of how they left the scene. A shooter who was supposedly so utterly stupid that he emptied his shells in the immediate vicinity of the crime--yup, that's totally believable.

Police lineups that were egregiously unfair and designed to ensure that witnesses who viewed them would pick Oswald. A rigged reenactment with the alleged cab driver to avoid admitting that the timing doesn't work.

And on and on we could go. 

[Bill Brown]

4 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:

Interestingly, Oswald reportedly told his interrogators that he went straight to the Texas Theater from his boarding house. That rings true. Two witnesses said Oswald entered the theater just a few minutes after 1:00 and remained there until he was arrested. 

The key point about the Tippit shooting is that the case against Oswald is literally plastered with holes. Contradictions and implausible assumptions abound. No one has yet come up with a rational, believable innocent explanation for why Tippit was even in Oswald's neighborhood in the first place. Nor can anyone provide a rational, credible explanation for why Tippit would have stopped the assailant if the assailant was Oswald.

The ballistics evidence was clearly tampered with. An experienced cop is not going to confuse revolver shells for automatic shells, and vice versa. It is easy to tell them apart, especially since .38 automatic shells are marked ".38 AUTO" on the bottom. Conveniently missing initials on shells, even though clear instructions were given to mark them.

The wrong fingerprints on the front passenger door and the right front fender of Tippit's car. Markedly contradictory descriptions of the shooter and of the number of shooters and of how they left the scene. A shooter who was supposedly so utterly stupid that he emptied his shells in the immediate vicinity of the crime--yup, that's totally believable.

Police lineups that were egregiously unfair and designed to ensure that witnesses who viewed them would pick Oswald. A rigged reenactment with the alleged cab driver to avoid admitting that the timing doesn't work.

And on and on we could go. 

 

The ballistics evidence was clearly tampered with. An experienced cop is not going to confuse revolver shells for automatic shells, and vice versa. It is easy to tell them apart, especially since .38 automatic shells are marked ".38 AUTO" on the bottom.

 

This is just silly.

 

First, are you even aware of exactly how many witnesses described watching the killer manually remove the shells from the revolver?  You realize the killer would not need to manually remove shells from an automatic weapon.  Right?

 

Second, automatic shells are ejected automatically (duh) from the weapon after each round is fired off.  If these shells were automatic shells, how did they come to be found as far away as 100 feet from where the killer was standing as he fired each round?  If these shells were automatics, they would have been found on the ground right there at the patrol car.

 

 

The wrong fingerprints on the front passenger door and the right front fender of Tippit's car.

 

But, if the killer didn't touch the car, then the prints aren't relevant.

 

 

Markedly contradictory descriptions of the shooter...

 

Happens all the time.  If four witnesses watch a guy rob a convenient store at gunpoint, the police are most likely going to get four different physical descriptions.  Welcome to the real world.

 

 

...and of the number of shooters and of how they left the scene.

 

The REAL witnesses, people who were actually outdoors at the time and watched the whole thing go down (people like Bill Smith, Jimmy Burt, Domingo Benavides, Helen Markham and William Scoggins) all describe Tippit encountering only one man and that he fled on foot down Patton.

 

 

A shooter who was supposedly so utterly stupid that he emptied his shells in the immediate vicinity of the crime--yup, that's totally believable.

 

Again, you don't know what you're talking about here.

 

There were witnesses who literally watched the killer throw shells to the ground.

 

[Michael Kalin]

On 4/25/2023 at 3:36 PM, Bill Brown said:

The REAL witnesses, people who were actually outdoors at the time and watched the whole thing go down (people like Bill Smith, Jimmy Burt, Domingo Benavides, Helen Markham and William Scoggins) all describe Tippit encountering only one man and that he fled on foot down Patton.

Only Markham saw "the whole thing go down." Burt was with Smith at 9th & Denver. Scoggins' view was blocked by shrubs. Benavides did not arrive until it was all over (see Guinyard's WC testimony).

Markham did not see CE162. The entire issue was done & dusted with the link provided by Gil Jesus relative to the procrustean theme of this inane thread. Here it is again:

Oswald’s Jacket

[Bill Brown]

21 minutes ago, Michael Kalin said:

Only Markham saw "the whole thing go down." Burt was with Smith at 9th & Denver. Scoggins' view was blocked by shrubs. Benavides did not arrive until it was all over (see Guinyard's WC testimony).

Markham did not see CE162. The entire issue was done & dusted with the link provided by Gil Jesus relative to the procrustean theme of this inane thread. Here it is again:

Oswald’s Jacket

 

Burt and Smith were in the front yard at Tenth and Denver and literally watched Tippit pull over and they saw the guy walk over to the patrol car.

 

Benavides was 15 feet away when the shooting occurred.

 

Again, The REAL witnesses, people who were actually outdoors at the time and watched the whole thing go down (people like Bill Smith, Jimmy Burt, Domingo Benavides, Helen Markham and William Scoggins) all describe Tippit encountering only one man and that he fled on foot down Patton.

 

[Michael Kalin]

16 hours ago, Bill Brown said:

Burt and Smith were in the front yard at Tenth and Denver and literally watched Tippit pull over and they saw the guy walk over to the patrol car.

 

Benavides was 15 feet away when the shooting occurred.

 

Again, The REAL witnesses, people who were actually outdoors at the time and watched the whole thing go down (people like Bill Smith, Jimmy Burt, Domingo Benavides, Helen Markham and William Scoggins) all describe Tippit encountering only one man and that he fled on foot down Patton.

 

Burt & Smith were not poised in the front yard at 505 E. 10th Street, as if adroitly positioned to observe an event about to take place 400 feet away. For one thing, Burt knew nothing about this. For another, here's what Smith told the FBI:

SMITH advised that his reason for being in the area was that he was visiting a friend of his, one JIMMY BURT, who was living with his father-in-law, DAVID SCHAFFER at 505 East 10th Street. He said he thought JIMMY might have seen the shooting also but he was not certain for he believed he had arrived at JIMMY's house prior to the time of JIMMY's arrival. [100-10461 12/12/63]

This means Burt was not present with Smith in the front yard at 505 E. 10th, although it's unclear why Smith thinks Burt might have seen the shooting anyway. Surely anyone who can tell a man's height, age & weight at 400 feet would know when his buddy was standing next to him a few feet away. Burt told the FBI he was with Smith at 9th & Denver when they heard shots and saw nothing. Anyway you slice it this is a muddle with Smith's suborned 4/2/64 WC testimony the least likely version to be true. It violates both his own & Burt's FBI statements.

BTW 505 E. 10th is not at the corner of Denver & E. 10th. Look closely and you might find Frank Wright of 501 E. 10th standing there, who claimed to rush out immediately after Tippit "had just fallen down." Evidently Smith & Wright were transparent to each other while purportedly observing in tandem the scene of the same distant event!

I'm looking through you, where did you go?
I thought I knew you, what did I know?

Benavides was not present at Tippit's murder. This is why his WC testimony regarding the appearance of Tippit's killer is nonsense. What he described was Belin's appearance to Belin himself, who came unglued during the interrogation. [6H450-1]

Produce Benavides' lost DPD & FBI statements made on 11/22/63 and we just might make a break with the long entrenched tradition of reposing purblind belief in his uncorroborated eyewitness statements.

[Tony Krome]

On 4/30/2023 at 6:14 AM, Bill Brown said:

Benavides was 15 feet away when the shooting occurred.

 

Would you stop within 15 feet of an ongoing shooting?

[Michael Kalin]

21 hours ago, Michael Kalin said:

BTW 505 E. 10th is not at the corner of Denver & E. 10th. Look closely and you might find Frank Wright of 501 E. 10th standing there, who claimed to rush out immediately after Tippit "had just fallen down." Evidently Smith & Wright were transparent to each other while purportedly observing in tandem the scene of the same distant event!

The 1960 Dallas City Directory indicates that 501 & 505 East 10th Street were the same property. If I'm reading this correctly it means the failure of Smith & Wright to bump into each other verges on the impossible.

[Michael Kalin]

The distance to the Tippit murder scene from the front yard of the NE corner parcel of E 10th & Denver was about 390 feet. This increases to 400+ feet from the front yard of the contiguous parcel to the east.

See attached measurement, obtained using dallascad, a handy tool. I'd include the aerial imagery, but the file gets too big.

 

Edited May 1, 2023 by Michael Kalin

[Bill Brown]

On 4/30/2023 at 10:06 AM, Michael Kalin said:

 

Burt & Smith were not poised in the front yard at 505 E. 10th Street, as if adroitly positioned to observe an event about to take place 400 feet away. For one thing, Burt knew nothing about this. For another, here's what Smith told the FBI:

SMITH advised that his reason for being in the area was that he was visiting a friend of his, one JIMMY BURT, who was living with his father-in-law, DAVID SCHAFFER at 505 East 10th Street. He said he thought JIMMY might have seen the shooting also but he was not certain for he believed he had arrived at JIMMY's house prior to the time of JIMMY's arrival. [100-10461 12/12/63]

This means Burt was not present with Smith in the front yard at 505 E. 10th, although it's unclear why Smith thinks Burt might have seen the shooting anyway. Surely anyone who can tell a man's height, age & weight at 400 feet would know when his buddy was standing next to him a few feet away. Burt told the FBI he was with Smith at 9th & Denver when they heard shots and saw nothing. Anyway you slice it this is a muddle with Smith's suborned 4/2/64 WC testimony the least likely version to be true. It violates both his own & Burt's FBI statements.

BTW 505 E. 10th is not at the corner of Denver & E. 10th. Look closely and you might find Frank Wright of 501 E. 10th standing there, who claimed to rush out immediately after Tippit "had just fallen down." Evidently Smith & Wright were transparent to each other while purportedly observing in tandem the scene of the same distant event!

I'm looking through you, where did you go?
I thought I knew you, what did I know?

Benavides was not present at Tippit's murder. This is why his WC testimony regarding the appearance of Tippit's killer is nonsense. What he described was Belin's appearance to Belin himself, who came unglued during the interrogation. [6H450-1]

Produce Benavides' lost DPD & FBI statements made on 11/22/63 and we just might make a break with the long entrenched tradition of reposing purblind belief in his uncorroborated eyewitness statements.

 

Both Jimmy Burt and Bill Smith tell us that they were in the front yard of the house on the corner of Tenth and Denver and saw Tippit talking to a man who was walking. 

 

[Bill Brown]

On 4/30/2023 at 10:29 PM, Tony Krome said:

Would you stop within 15 feet of an ongoing shooting?

 

Would you drive through the scene of an ongoing shooting or would you do like Benavides did and stop a few feet before the scene?

 

Edited May 4, 2023 by Bill Brown

[Tony Krome]

14 hours ago, Bill Brown said:

 

Would you drive through the scene of an ongoing shooting or would you do like Benavides did and stop a few feet before the scene?

 

Personally, I would duck down and mash the gas pedal. If someone was willing to shoot a cop, I wouldn't risk presenting myself as another target.

While I have your attention, and using Benavides' testimony, what do you estimate the time span was between the 1st & 2nd shots? 

[Michael Kalin]

15 hours ago, Bill Brown said:

Both Jimmy Burt and Bill Smith tell us that they were in the front yard of the house on the corner of Tenth and Denver and saw Tippit talking to a man who was walking. 

Really? Excerpt from Burt's FBI statement [100-16601 12/15/63]:

JIMMY EARL BURT, General Delivery stated that on November 22, 1963 he was living at 505 E. 10th Street, Dallas, Texas which is the residence of his father—in—law, DAVID SHAEFER. He and a friend WILLIAM SMITH were sitting in his brother, BILLY BURT's house located at the corner of 9th and Denver Streets, Dallas. It was some time after lunch when they heard two gunshots. He and SMITH immediately ran from the house toward his car, a 1952 two—tone blue Ford which was parked facing south on Denver Street. As they ran from the house they heard four more shots making a total of six.

BURT said he drove his car to the next intersection which is Denver and 10th Streets and turned west on 10th.

I'll let the discerning reader decide how likely it was that the same corner existed at both "Tenth and Denver" and "9th and Denver."

[Bill Brown]

1 hour ago, Tony Krome said:

Personally, I would duck down and mash the gas pedal. If someone was willing to shoot a cop, I wouldn't risk presenting myself as another target.

While I have your attention, and using Benavides' testimony, what do you estimate the time span was between the 1st & 2nd shots? 

 

You don't understand. 

 

The shooting occurred as Benavides was approaching the patrol car. He heard the shots and hit the brakes about fifteen feet before reaching the spot. If he would have "mashed the gas pedal", he would have placed himself in the line of fire had the shooting continued. 

 

[Bill Brown]

52 minutes ago, Michael Kalin said:

Really? Excerpt from Burt's FBI statement [100-16601 12/15/63]:

JIMMY EARL BURT, General Delivery stated that on November 22, 1963 he was living at 505 E. 10th Street, Dallas, Texas which is the residence of his father—in—law, DAVID SHAEFER. He and a friend WILLIAM SMITH were sitting in his brother, BILLY BURT's house located at the corner of 9th and Denver Streets, Dallas. It was some time after lunch when they heard two gunshots. He and SMITH immediately ran from the house toward his car, a 1952 two—tone blue Ford which was parked facing south on Denver Street. As they ran from the house they heard four more shots making a total of six.

BURT said he drove his car to the next intersection which is Denver and 10th Streets and turned west on 10th.

I'll let the discerning reader decide how likely it was that the same corner existed at both "Tenth and Denver" and "9th and Denver."

 

 

 

[Bill Brown]

53 minutes ago, Michael Kalin said:

Really? Excerpt from Burt's FBI statement [100-16601 12/15/63]:

JIMMY EARL BURT, General Delivery stated that on November 22, 1963 he was living at 505 E. 10th Street, Dallas, Texas which is the residence of his father—in—law, DAVID SHAEFER. He and a friend WILLIAM SMITH were sitting in his brother, BILLY BURT's house located at the corner of 9th and Denver Streets, Dallas. It was some time after lunch when they heard two gunshots. He and SMITH immediately ran from the house toward his car, a 1952 two—tone blue Ford which was parked facing south on Denver Street. As they ran from the house they heard four more shots making a total of six.

BURT said he drove his car to the next intersection which is Denver and 10th Streets and turned west on 10th.

I'll let the discerning reader decide how likely it was that the same corner existed at both "Tenth and Denver" and "9th and Denver."

 

Bill Smith told the Warren Commission that he heard the shots and saw Tippit fall to the ground and the killer run off.

He couldn't have seen such a thing from 9th and Denver.