Mervyn Hagger Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Listen to any number of the transmitted radio and television programs broadcast on November 22, 1963 (David von Pein has them on his site), and very quickly after JFK is shot, a bulletin is broadcast describing the killer. How was that possible? Where did this information come from? A central source, and if so, what was the originating source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brown Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, Mervyn Hagger said: Listen to any number of the transmitted radio and television programs broadcast on November 22, 1963 (David von Pein has them on his site), and very quickly after JFK is shot, a bulletin is broadcast describing the killer. How was that possible? Where did this information come from? A central source, and if so, what was the originating source? Herb Sawyer from Howard Brennan. I never rely on Brennan and I don't see how it is possible to accurately give a height/weight description of a man in the window from Brennan's position, though this is what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Jolliffe Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Mervyn, That's the $64,000 question. No one knows. The official story is (as everyone here knows) that Dallas Police Inspector Herbert Sawyer phoned in it to the DPD dispatcher around 12:44. Warren Commission, Volume VI: J. Herbert Sawyer (wordpress.com) Mr. Belin. All right, now, sir; you did broadcast that description out of this Mr. Sawyer. Yes, that's correct. That shows on the radio log. Mr. Belin. Where did you get that description? Mr. Sawyer. We are talking now about the colored man? Mr. BELIN. No, I am talking about the one that is on Sawyer's Deposition Exhibit A, that shows you at 12:43. Mr. SAWYER. That description came to me mainly from one witness who claimed to have seen the rifle barrel in the fifth or sixth floor of the building, and claimed to have been able to see the man up there. Mr. Belin. Do you know this person's name? Mr. Sawyer. I do not. Mr. Belin. Do you know anything about him, what he was wearing? Mr. SAWYER. Except that he was--I don't remember what he was wearing. I remember that he was a white man and that he wasn't young and he wasn't old. He was there. That is the only two things that I can remember about him. Mr. Belin. What age would you categorize as young? Mr. Sawyer. Around 35 would be my best recollection of it, but it could be a few years either way. Mr. BELIN. Do you remember if he was tall or short, or can't you remember anything about him? Mr. Sawyer. I can't remember that much about him. I was real hazy about that. Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where he said he was standing when he saw the person with the rifle? Mr. Sawyer. I didn't go into detail with him except that from the best of my recollection, he was standing where he could have seen him. But there were too many people coming up with questions to go into detail. I got the description and sent him on over to the Sheriff's Office. Mr. BELIN. Inspector, do you remember anything else about this person who you say gave you the primary description? Mr. SAWYER. No, I do not, except that I did send him with an escort to the Sheriff's Office to give fuller or more complete detail. Mr. BELIN. Do you know if he was taken there to see a lineup at the police station? Mr. Sawyer. No. Mr. Belin. Did you ever see him again? Mr. Sawyer. Not to my knowledge. So, whoever fed this "description" to Sawyer has never been identified, yet gave a height and weight estimate that could only have come from someone on the sixth floor, at least according to the official story. Since our man "Oswald" wasn't on the sixth floor during the shooting, this unidentifiable "witness" was almost certainly an intelligence asset, pointing the finger of suspicion at the pre-designated patsy to the police before any real system for taking statements was in place. This "witness" was never seen again. (The problems with Howard Brennan's testimony and story are legion and legendary. I will not rehash them here other than to say that Brennan was NOT the mystery "witness".) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Hagger Posted August 17, 2023 Author Share Posted August 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bill Brown said: Herb Sawyer from Howard Brennan. I never rely on Brennan and I don't see how it is possible to accurately give a height/weight description of a man in the window from Brennan's position, though this is what happened. Hi Herb, the question is: why is the information coming from someone looking up at a window when a lot of witnesses said that the shots came from the front of the car, and not the rear. To accommodate these reports, the 'Daily Herald' newspaper in the UK for November 23, 1963, turned the car around and said that it had just left the overpass and was heading towards the Book Depository. They were not aware that the car was on a one-way street facing in the other direction. But who provided a description of the killer to the media so soon after the instant act had taken place. Even someone looking up a window would not have enough information to form a description, false or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Hagger Posted August 17, 2023 Author Share Posted August 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Paul Jolliffe said: Mervyn, That's the $64,000 question. No one knows. The official story is (as everyone here knows) that Dallas Police Inspector Herbert Sawyer phoned in it to the DPD dispatcher around 12:44. Warren Commission, Volume VI: J. Herbert Sawyer (wordpress.com) Mr. Belin. All right, now, sir; you did broadcast that description out of this Mr. Sawyer. Yes, that's correct. That shows on the radio log. Mr. Belin. Where did you get that description? Mr. Sawyer. We are talking now about the colored man? Mr. BELIN. No, I am talking about the one that is on Sawyer's Deposition Exhibit A, that shows you at 12:43. Mr. SAWYER. That description came to me mainly from one witness who claimed to have seen the rifle barrel in the fifth or sixth floor of the building, and claimed to have been able to see the man up there. Mr. Belin. Do you know this person's name? Mr. Sawyer. I do not. Mr. Belin. Do you know anything about him, what he was wearing? Mr. SAWYER. Except that he was--I don't remember what he was wearing. I remember that he was a white man and that he wasn't young and he wasn't old. He was there. That is the only two things that I can remember about him. Mr. Belin. What age would you categorize as young? Mr. Sawyer. Around 35 would be my best recollection of it, but it could be a few years either way. Mr. BELIN. Do you remember if he was tall or short, or can't you remember anything about him? Mr. Sawyer. I can't remember that much about him. I was real hazy about that. Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where he said he was standing when he saw the person with the rifle? Mr. Sawyer. I didn't go into detail with him except that from the best of my recollection, he was standing where he could have seen him. But there were too many people coming up with questions to go into detail. I got the description and sent him on over to the Sheriff's Office. Mr. BELIN. Inspector, do you remember anything else about this person who you say gave you the primary description? Mr. SAWYER. No, I do not, except that I did send him with an escort to the Sheriff's Office to give fuller or more complete detail. Mr. BELIN. Do you know if he was taken there to see a lineup at the police station? Mr. Sawyer. No. Mr. Belin. Did you ever see him again? Mr. Sawyer. Not to my knowledge. So, whoever fed this "description" to Sawyer has never been identified, yet gave a height and weight estimate that could only have come from someone on the sixth floor, at least according to the official story. Since our man "Oswald" wasn't on the sixth floor during the shooting, this unidentifiable "witness" was almost certainly an intelligence asset, pointing the finger of suspicion at the pre-designated patsy to the police before any real system for taking statements was in place. This "witness" was never seen again. (The problems with Howard Brennan's testimony and story are legion and legendary. I will not rehash them here other than to say that Brennan was NOT the mystery "witness".) This is the kind of reporting that David von Plein calls "far out", and yet it comes from the same source that David upholds as the Bible. He wants it both ways. But clearly what you have documented could not possibly be transformed into a BOLO used on KLIF just minutes after the killing of JFK. Clearly it is the 'Warren Report' that is "far out". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 The initial description broadcast over the DPD radio at 12:45 PM was for a suspect 5"10" tall weighing 165 lbs and nobody knows where that description came from. Posted by Pat Speer in the Education Forum 04/25/2023 https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29040-howard-brennan-the-star-witness-who-wasnt/ “Howard Brennan (11-22-63 FBI interview, as reflected in an 11-23-63 FBI report, CD5 p12-14) "Brennan described the man with the rifle as a white male, who appeared to be in his early 30's. about 5'10" tall, and about 165 pounds in weight. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10406#relPageId=15 The agents for this Report were Gaston C. Thompson and Robert C. Lish Brennan’s description of the shooter is on page 13. However, Posted by Bill Simpich in the Education Forum 10/11/2009 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/4023-lee-henry-oswald/ “Although confused commentators have claimed that Howard Brennan was the source, it's well documented that an "unidentified citizen" gave the above description to Inspector Sawyer after he saw someone looking like Oswald running from the Book Depository immediately after the assassination. The citizen did not comply with the sheriff's request to come to the office later to fill out a report, and Hoover said that the "sheriff's office can locate no record on this citizen". In January, 1964 J.Edgar Hoover wrote to J. Lee Rankin of the Warren Commission, that an the description came from "an unidentified citizen". JFK Documents - Federal Bureau of Investigation/ FBI Oswald Headquarters File (105-82555)/ FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 64 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57753&relPageId=109 Letter from J. Edgar Hoover to J. Lee Rankin January 14, 1964 Even after the Warren Report was published, Hoover responded in November, 1964 to general counsel J. Lee Rankin's request that according to the Dallas police the information came from an ‘unidentified citizen’.” http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=72 I have my own theories about this 5'10" 165lb man with light brown hair, and it's tied up with the Harvey Lee Oswald story; but I won't go into that now. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Mervyn Hagger said: This is the kind of reporting that David von Pein [sic] calls "far out", and yet it comes from the same source that David upholds as the Bible. He wants it both ways. But clearly what you have documented could not possibly be transformed into a BOLO used on KLIF just minutes after the killing of JFK. Clearly it is the 'Warren Report' that is "far out". There is absolutely nothing odd or suspicious or "far out" about the KLIF Radio 11/22/63 broadcasts. Nothing. When the topic of "What Radio Station Was Johnny Brewer Listening To On Nov. 22?" came up in 2019, I did a lot of work tracking some of the radio broadcasts I have in my collection. And at one point during that discussion [archived here], I provided this info.... ------------------------------------------------------------------- "But it depends on which "shooting" you're referring to. If you mean the Tippit shooting, then I think you're right---there was no radio report regarding the shooter's description put out within 15 minutes (or so) of the Tippit murder. But there was most definitely a "description" of President Kennedy's assassin broadcast on the radio, and that description was aired on KLIF Radio (the station that Tony Krome just said Brewer was listening to) as early as 12:54 PM (Dallas time), which would corroborate what Brewer said to Eddie Barker in his CBS-TV interview in 1964 when Brewer said this: "Right after the President was shot, they broadcast a description on the radio of this man..." If, in fact, Brewer was listening to KLIF Radio that day, the description he would have heard at 12:54 PM would have initially come from a female telephone operator at the Dallas Police Department, who quickly provided the description of the alleged Presidential assassin for a KLIF reporter who was recording the phone call for later broadcast. The description she provided was: "White male, 30 [years old], 5-10, 165, 30-caliber rifle, and I believe it was at Elm and Houston where it came from; now I don't know definitely and I don't like to say." [The audio can be heard HERE.]" -- DVP; April 19, 2019 ------------------------------------------------------------------- EDIT --- In reviewing my KLIF Radio files again just now [on August 17, 2023], there was a partial description of the assassin provided by KLIF even earlier than the 12:54 broadcast linked above. That earlier description was reported by KLIF's Joe Long at 12:46 PM (per the timestamps provided throughout the KLIF coverage), which would have been just two minutes after the APB bulletin had been put out on the DPD radio system at 12:44 PM. Which almost certainly means that Joe Long and KLIF were monitoring the Dallas Police Department calls on a police radio of their own just after the assassination occurred. Listen to the 12:46 PM description of the suspected assassin here. I suppose the very early 12:46 PM description of the suspect aired by KLIF is the thing that makes Mervyn Hagger think something is fishy about the KLIF Radio assassination coverage. But Mervyn's suspicions go up in smoke if the KLIF reporters were, in fact, monitoring the DPD radio frequency on a police scanner on Nov. 22nd, which almost certainly had to be what happened that day. Edited August 18, 2023 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Hagger Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, David Von Pein said: There is absolutely nothing odd or suspicious or "far out" about the KLIF Radio 11/22/63 broadcasts. Nothing. When the topic of "What Radio Station Was Johnny Brewer Listening To On Nov. 22?" came up in 2019, I did a lot of work tracking some of the radio broadcasts I have in my collection. And at one point during that discussion [archived here], I provided this info.... ------------------------------------------------------------------- "But it depends on which "shooting" you're referring to. If you mean the Tippit shooting, then I think you're right---there was no radio report regarding the shooter's description put out within 15 minutes (or so) of the Tippit murder. But there was most definitely a "description" of President Kennedy's assassin broadcast on the radio, and that description was aired on KLIF Radio (the station that Tony Krome just said Brewer was listening to) as early as 12:54 PM (Dallas time), which would corroborate what Brewer said to Eddie Barker in his CBS-TV interview in 1964 when Brewer said this: "Right after the President was shot, they broadcast a description on the radio of this man..." If, in fact, Brewer was listening to KLIF Radio that day, the description he would have heard at 12:54 PM would have initially come from a female telephone operator at the Dallas Police Department, who quickly provided the description of the alleged Presidential assassin for a KLIF reporter who was recording the phone call for later broadcast. The description she provided was: "White male, 30 [years old], 5-10, 165, 30-caliber rifle, and I believe it was at Elm and Houston where it came from; now I don't know definitely and I don't like to say." [The audio can be heard HERE.]" -- DVP; April 19, 2019 ------------------------------------------------------------------- EDIT --- In reviewing my KLIF Radio files again just now [on August 17, 2023], there was a partial description of the assassin provided by KLIF even earlier than the 12:54 broadcast linked above. That earlier description was reported by KLIF's Joe Long at 12:46 PM (per the timestamps provided throughout the KLIF coverage), which would have been just two minutes after the APB bulletin had been put out on the DPD radio system at 12:44 PM. Which almost certainly means that Joe Long and KLIF were monitoring the Dallas Police Department calls on a police radio of their own just after the assassination occurred. Listen to the 12:46 PM description of the suspected assassin here. I suppose the very early 12:46 PM description of the suspect aired by KLIF is the thing that makes Mervyn Hagger think something is fishy about the KLIF Radio assassination coverage. But Mervyn's suspicions go up in smoke if the KLIF reporters were, in fact, monitoring the DPD radio frequency on a police scanner on Nov. 22nd, which almost certainly had to be what happened that day. David, 8 hours ago, David Von Pein said: There is absolutely nothing odd or suspicious or "far out" about the KLIF Radio 11/22/63 broadcasts. Nothing. When the topic of "What Radio Station Was Johnny Brewer Listening To On Nov. 22?" came up in 2019, I did a lot of work tracking some of the radio broadcasts I have in my collection. And at one point during that discussion [archived here], I provided this info.... ------------------------------------------------------------------- "But it depends on which "shooting" you're referring to. If you mean the Tippit shooting, then I think you're right---there was no radio report regarding the shooter's description put out within 15 minutes (or so) of the Tippit murder. But there was most definitely a "description" of President Kennedy's assassin broadcast on the radio, and that description was aired on KLIF Radio (the station that Tony Krome just said Brewer was listening to) as early as 12:54 PM (Dallas time), which would corroborate what Brewer said to Eddie Barker in his CBS-TV interview in 1964 when Brewer said this: "Right after the President was shot, they broadcast a description on the radio of this man..." If, in fact, Brewer was listening to KLIF Radio that day, the description he would have heard at 12:54 PM would have initially come from a female telephone operator at the Dallas Police Department, who quickly provided the description of the alleged Presidential assassin for a KLIF reporter who was recording the phone call for later broadcast. The description she provided was: "White male, 30 [years old], 5-10, 165, 30-caliber rifle, and I believe it was at Elm and Houston where it came from; now I don't know definitely and I don't like to say." [The audio can be heard HERE.]" -- DVP; April 19, 2019 ------------------------------------------------------------------- EDIT --- In reviewing my KLIF Radio files again just now [on August 17, 2023], there was a partial description of the assassin provided by KLIF even earlier than the 12:54 broadcast linked above. That earlier description was reported by KLIF's Joe Long at 12:46 PM (per the timestamps provided throughout the KLIF coverage), which would have been just two minutes after the APB bulletin had been put out on the DPD radio system at 12:44 PM. Which almost certainly means that Joe Long and KLIF were monitoring the Dallas Police Department calls on a police radio of their own just after the assassination occurred. Listen to the 12:46 PM description of the suspected assassin here. I suppose the very early 12:46 PM description of the suspect aired by KLIF is the thing that makes Mervyn Hagger think something is fishy about the KLIF Radio assassination coverage. But Mervyn's suspicions go up in smoke if the KLIF reporters were, in fact, monitoring the DPD radio frequency on a police scanner on Nov. 22nd, which almost certainly had to be what happened that day. David, what a load of whisper-thin rubbish. First of all let's examine the source of your connectivity. You are claiming that it all began with KLIF and one reporter monitoring a Dallas Police Department radio frequency on a police scanner during November 22, 1963, "which almost certainly had to be what happened that day." Very persuasive words (NOT!), David. "Almost." "Certainly." "Had to be" Huh? "Almost certainly" - that is a contradiction. If it is certain it is, if it is "almost", it may be and may not be. Which is it? Your answer is that it "had to be." Why? Because your entire flimsy answer depends upon everyone accepting these waffle-words and rushing on to accepting your next point. Hold on! Did you take the time to listen to that Steve Martin comedy routine about "point number one"? Here is the link, again. I learned a lot from that routine. It is a classic. The lesson is, don't let the con man get away with establishing his point number - one which is false, by only responding to his point number two. I will gladly address your points two, three and so on, after you clear up what you mean in point number one. Are you trying to tell everyone to just trust you, because you believe that certain things are true, and therefore because you BELIEVE something we should all bow down to the creed of the Sacred Church doctrine of David Von Pein? Edited August 18, 2023 by Mervyn Hagger revised second part of a sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Hagger Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: The initial description broadcast over the DPD radio at 12:45 PM was for a suspect 5"10" tall weighing 165 lbs and nobody knows where that description came from. Posted by Pat Speer in the Education Forum 04/25/2023 https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29040-howard-brennan-the-star-witness-who-wasnt/ “Howard Brennan (11-22-63 FBI interview, as reflected in an 11-23-63 FBI report, CD5 p12-14) "Brennan described the man with the rifle as a white male, who appeared to be in his early 30's. about 5'10" tall, and about 165 pounds in weight. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10406#relPageId=15 The agents for this Report were Gaston C. Thompson and Robert C. Lish Brennan’s description of the shooter is on page 13. However, Posted by Bill Simpich in the Education Forum 10/11/2009 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/4023-lee-henry-oswald/ “Although confused commentators have claimed that Howard Brennan was the source, it's well documented that an "unidentified citizen" gave the above description to Inspector Sawyer after he saw someone looking like Oswald running from the Book Depository immediately after the assassination. The citizen did not comply with the sheriff's request to come to the office later to fill out a report, and Hoover said that the "sheriff's office can locate no record on this citizen". In January, 1964 J.Edgar Hoover wrote to J. Lee Rankin of the Warren Commission, that an the description came from "an unidentified citizen". JFK Documents - Federal Bureau of Investigation/ FBI Oswald Headquarters File (105-82555)/ FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 64 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57753&relPageId=109 Letter from J. Edgar Hoover to J. Lee Rankin January 14, 1964 Even after the Warren Report was published, Hoover responded in November, 1964 to general counsel J. Lee Rankin's request that according to the Dallas police the information came from an ‘unidentified citizen’.” http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=72 I have my own theories about this 5'10" 165lb man with light brown hair, and it's tied up with the Harvey Lee Oswald story; but I won't go into that now. Steve Thomas Steve, thank you. So, from David Von Pein's maybe, perhaps explanation relating to KLIF, we have now gone back to official records relating to an unnamed person who has not been identified by anyone. Then we go to the KLIF broadcast. So, before the KLIF broadcast comes point number one. What is point number one? The Source of the information. What is The Source. Dunno. What? DUNNO! Who says "dunno". The official record. Now we return you to voice of all persuasion about a lone gunman and a single bullet, Mr David Von Pein. What does Mr David Von Pein say? "Believe me!" Oh, and what if we don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 https://www.jfk-assassination.net/dpdtapes/ 12:45 Dispatcher Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30 caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or information. 12:45. as 12:54 PM (Dallas time), … a female telephone operator at the Dallas Police Department, who quickly provided the description of the alleged Presidential assassin for a KLIF reporter who was recording the phone call for later broadcast. The description she provided was: "White male, 30 [years old], 5-10, 165, 30-caliber rifle, and I believe it was at Elm and Houston where it came from; now I don't know definitely and I don't like to say." [The audio can be heard HERE.]" -- DVP; April 19, 2019 What's the problem? Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Jolliffe Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/dpdtapes/ 12:45 Dispatcher Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30 caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or information. 12:45. as 12:54 PM (Dallas time), … a female telephone operator at the Dallas Police Department, who quickly provided the description of the alleged Presidential assassin for a KLIF reporter who was recording the phone call for later broadcast. The description she provided was: "White male, 30 [years old], 5-10, 165, 30-caliber rifle, and I believe it was at Elm and Houston where it came from; now I don't know definitely and I don't like to say." [The audio can be heard HERE.]" -- DVP; April 19, 2019 What's the problem? Steve Thomas Steve, Thanks for posting both of J. Edgar Hoover 1964 letters to J. Lee Rankin that the suspect's description came from an unknown witness. What is so striking about this is that this "witness" claimed to have seen a suspect "running from the Texas School Book Depository immediately after the assassination" (presumably holding a .30 caliber rifle.) Of course, no one else saw this suspect. Of the hundreds of people in and around the TSBD in the immediate aftermath of the shots, none were reported to have seen anyone run from the TSBD with a rifle! That description was absurd! This "witness" was clearly a plant whose task was to send the DPD off immediately on the wrong trail. That Rankin was still trying to shore up the source of Sawyer's description two months after the publication of the Warren Report is overwhelming proof that he, Rankin, did not believe a key contention of the Warren Report: namely that Howard Brennan was Sawyer's source! Rankin knew that Brennan was NOT Sawyer's source, and Rankin's request to Hoover on November 2, 1964 (find Sawyer's source, FBI!), is proof of that beyond any doubt whatsoever. FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 221 (maryferrell.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 54 minutes ago, Paul Jolliffe said: Steve, Thanks for posting both of J. Edgar Hoover 1964 letters to J. Lee Rankin that the suspect's description came from an unknown witness. What is so striking about this is that this "witness" claimed to have seen a suspect "running from the Texas School Book Depository immediately after the assassination" (presumably holding a .30 caliber rifle.) Paul, Neither the DPD transcript, nor either of J. Edgar Hoover's letters to Rankin say that the individual seen running from the TSBD was armed with a rifle. Frankly, I don't know where that information came from. Somebody who did shoddy research conflated the two accounts and put them together. Hoover's letters say that, based on information provided by the Dallas Police, a man was seen running from the TSBD, but there was no mention of a rifle.; but we already knew that from Roger Craig. Maybe the DPD was relaying Craig's info to the FBI. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Hagger Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: Paul, Neither the DPD transcript, nor either of J. Edgar Hoover's letters to Rankin say that the individual seen running from the TSBD was armed with a rifle. Frankly, I don't know where that information came from. Somebody who did shoddy research conflated the two accounts and put them together. Hoover's letters say that, based on information provided by the Dallas Police, a man was seen running from the TSBD, but there was no mention of a rifle.; but we already knew that from Roger Craig. Maybe the DPD was relaying Craig's info to the FBI. Steve Thomas Steve, that description is on the KLIF aircheck which David Von Pein put on line and which I redacted on this thread. See David Von Pein's greatest 'hits'. (A pun). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Jolliffe Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: Paul, Neither the DPD transcript, nor either of J. Edgar Hoover's letters to Rankin say that the individual seen running from the TSBD was armed with a rifle. Frankly, I don't know where that information came from. Somebody who did shoddy research conflated the two accounts and put them together. Hoover's letters say that, based on information provided by the Dallas Police, a man was seen running from the TSBD, but there was no mention of a rifle.; but we already knew that from Roger Craig. Maybe the DPD was relaying Craig's info to the FBI. Steve Thomas Steve, This gets curiouser and curiouser: The first DPD "transcript" of their radio calls on 11/22/63 has Sawyer mentioning a "30-30 or some kind of Winchester." However, this "witness" with whom Sawyer spoke could provide neither a clothing description nor whether the suspect was still in the building! ("I don't know for sure and the witness he had didn't have (sic) the description but we have got that building saturated by now. We should know something before long.") So, when Sawyer testified to the Warren Commission, did he just invent the part about the witness claiming the suspect ran from the building? If not, then why on November 22 in response to the dispatcher's direct question about whether the shooter was still in the TSBD, Sawyer said the witness "had didn't have the description" (whatever that meant)? Did the witness claim to Sawyer that he'd seen the suspect run from the building, or not? [Radio Transcript for November 22, 1963] - Page 47 of 168 - The Portal to Texas History (unt.edu) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Hagger Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 56 minutes ago, Paul Jolliffe said: Steve, This gets curiouser and curiouser: The first DPD "transcript" of their radio calls on 11/22/63 has Sawyer mentioning a "30-30 or some kind of Winchester." However, this "witness" with whom Sawyer spoke could provide neither a clothing description nor whether the suspect was still in the building! ("I don't know for sure and the witness he had didn't have (sic) the description but we have got that building saturated by now. We should know something before long.") So, when Sawyer testified to the Warren Commission, did he just invent the part about the witness claiming the suspect ran from the building? If not, then why on November 22 in response to the dispatcher's direct question about whether the shooter was still in the TSBD, Sawyer said the witness "had didn't have the description" (whatever that meant)? Did the witness claim to Sawyer that he'd seen the suspect run from the building, or not? [Radio Transcript for November 22, 1963] - Page 47 of 168 - The Portal to Texas History (unt.edu) Paul, rather than transcripts, the actual and real time aircheck that David Von Pein put on YouTube which I truncated without changing the time identifications, tell the story that the suspect may still be in the TSBD and that the suspect is armed with a rifle. What I want to know is what was the source of the information that KLIF was getting its info from? It sounds like a DP female spokesperson. So where did she get information from? KLIF was putting out a no-name suspect description while over in Fort Worth its Police Department had stopped Don House driving on his way home to Ranger (in the days pre-freeways), and they hauled him in and he protested that he was innocent of what he was being accused of. Just like Oswald in Dallas. But unlike Oswald in a theatre, Don House was driving a car with dynamite in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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