L'Amerique Brule (America Is Burning) .... and the beat goes on .... and on .... and on

[Mervyn Hagger]

Described as a planted work of misinformation back in 1968 by an author who did not exist as a person, this kitchen-sink jumble sale of misinformation is being regurgitated over and over and over again with new titles on the same old threads, and all of them miss the point.This is the book that was originally published in France and became a best-seller in Europe after it was translated into eleven languages. It was stifled in the USA but eventually appeared under the title of 'Farewell America'. Today it is available to read free of charge on line. "Borrowing heavily from published critics of the Warren Commission Report, the book describes the roots of the Cold War, the linkage between large corporate and banking interests, the ever-growing American intelligence apparatus, and the international petroleum cartels that were lined up with a bevy of military brass and Mafia chieftains against President Kennedy."

What is missing from this work is any reference to Occam's Razor and the notion that "the simplest explanation is preferable to one that is more complex."

In crime-solving terms that means looking for the obvious suspect which in this instance is a Mafia Boss in New Orleans. He had the motive, the money and the power to order the murder of John F. Kennedy on November 11, 1963, and the deceit of John and his brother Robert trapped them into a tangled web of misdirection of their own making. Then everyone piled on top since the official version of the story was so silly to begin with, but its complex and ridiculous alternative answer offered so much more entertainment value to writers and motion picture scriptwriters.

Meanwhile the real story, which is very simple and very clear-cut, goes unnoticed while 'Farewell America' is recycled over and over and over again. As Sonny and Cher once sang: 'The Beat Goes on'. 

 

 

Edited August 22, 2023 by Mervyn Hagger
changed video to one with clear lyrics

[Bill Fite]

6 hours ago, Mervyn Hagger said:

 

What is missing from this work is any reference to Occam's Razor and the notion that "the simplest explanation is preferable to one that is more complex."

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Shouldn't it be "the simplest explanation that agrees with all the evidence is preferable to one that is more complex."?

[Benjamin Cole]

7 hours ago, Mervyn Hagger said:

Described as a planted work of misinformation back in 1968 by an author who did not exist as a person, this kitchen-sink jumble sale of misinformation is being regurgitated over and over and over again with new titles on the same old threads, and all of them miss the point.This is the book that was originally published in France and became a best-seller in Europe after it was translated into eleven languages. It was stifled in the USA but eventually appeared under the title of 'Farewell America'. Today it is available to read free of charge on line. "Borrowing heavily from published critics of the Warren Commission Report, the book describes the roots of the Cold War, the linkage between large corporate and banking interests, the ever-growing American intelligence apparatus, and the international petroleum cartels that were lined up with a bevy of military brass and Mafia chieftains against President Kennedy."

What is missing from this work is any reference to Occam's Razor and the notion that "the simplest explanation is preferable to one that is more complex."

In crime-solving terms that means looking for the obvious suspect which in this instance is a Mafia Boss in New Orleans. He had the motive, the money and the power to order the murder of John F. Kennedy on November 11, 1963, and the deceit of John and his brother Robert trapped them into a tangled web of misdirection of their own making. Then everyone piled on top since the official version of the story was so silly to begin with, but its complex and ridiculous alternative answer offered so much more entertainment value to writers and motion picture scriptwriters.

Meanwhile the real story, which is very simple and very clear-cut, goes unnoticed while 'Farewell America' is recycled over and over and over again. As Sonny and Cher once sang: 'The Beat Goes on'. 

 

 

MH-

 

Sure, maybe Marcello did it, although the whole LHO biography build, and the cover-up (autopsy, for starters) seem beyond the ken of the Mob. 

How about simple? A couple of Cuban exiles drive to Dallas from Miami and have a password they somehow found out to gain LHO's cooperation. Maybe leaked to them. Or a half-dollar bill, two of which were found in LHO's possession. 

The pair convince LHO to cooperate in a false flag op against JFK, to be blamed on Cuba. Super secret, no communications allowed with higher-ups. 

LHO shoots once to intentionally miss on 11/22, expecting the feds will flesh out the Hidell character and say he was found dead, and say the other Cubans got away.

Instead, the Cuban exiles shoot for real. They may not have even expected to get away. Remember when Puerto Rican nationalists shot up Congress (and also shot at Truman as I recall)? But anybody could have gotten away that day, as we know. Anyone with a car could simply drive away, and they did.  

It was not a grand or sophisticated plan the JFKA, but the investigation had to be blunted as all three participants---LHO and the two Cubanos---were CIA assets, of which there were literally thousands in the US at the time. The CIA could hardly say, "Yes, they were all our guys, but we did not plan this."

 

 

 

 

 

[Mervyn Hagger]

24 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

MH-

 

Sure, maybe Marcello did it, although the whole LHO biography build, and the cover-up (autopsy, for starters) seem beyond the ken of the Mob. 

How about simple? A couple of Cuban exiles drive to Dallas from Miami and have a password they somehow found out to gain LHO's cooperation. Maybe leaked to them. Or a half-dollar bill, two of which were found in LHO's possession. 

The pair convince LHO to cooperate in a false flag op against JFK, to be blamed on Cuba. Super secret, no communications allowed with higher-ups. 

LHO shoots once to intentionally miss on 11/22, expecting the feds will flesh out the Hidell character and say he was found dead, and say the other Cubans got away.

Instead, the Cuban exiles shoot for real. They may not have even expected to get away. Remember when Puerto Rican nationalists shot up Congress (and also shot at Truman as I recall)? But anybody could have gotten away that day, as we know. Anyone with a car could simply drive away, and they did.  

It was not a grand or sophisticated plan the JFKA, but the investigation had to be blunted as all three participants---LHO and the two Cubanos---were CIA assets, of which there were literally thousands in the US at the time. The CIA could hardly say, "Yes, they were all our guys, but we did not plan this."

 

 

Benjamin, there is just one problem and that is the SGA, Bobby Kennedy and Manuel Artime, plus the ships and Haiti. Add that in and the storyline I have begun to outline begins to take on an importance hitherto overlooked (or deliberately obfuscated?)

 

 

 

[Leslie Sharp]

He had the motive, the money and the power to order the murder of John F. Kennedy on November 11, 1963,

 

(November 22)

 

. . . and the power to manage the "patsy" backstory? and the power to cover it up, long after he was dead?

Edited August 22, 2023 by Leslie Sharp

[Mervyn Hagger]

10 hours ago, Leslie Sharp said:

He had the motive, the money and the power to order the murder of John F. Kennedy on November 11, 1963,

 

(November 22)

 

. . . and the power to manage the "patsy" backstory? and the power to cover it up, long after he was dead?

Yes!

[Leslie Sharp]

18 minutes ago, Mervyn Hagger said:

Yes!

Can you elaborate?

Do you argue that John McCloy and Allen Dulles took their cues from Carlos Marcello? Did Marcello pull Jack Crichton's strings to the extent he picked up Ilya Mamantov from his home on Mockingbird ten minutes before the assassination to deposit him at DPD to translate for Marina? Did Marcello then assign Isaac Don Levine to "manage" Marina as early as November 28?  Did Marcello know H. Keith Thompson who would navigate Marguerite's affairs including a stint on the Irv Kupcinet show in Chicago - participating on a panel with Hitler's former favorite banker Hjalmar Schacht?  

[Mervyn Hagger]

41 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

Can you elaborate?

Do you argue that John McCloy and Allen Dulles took their cues from Carlos Marcello? Did Marcello pull Jack Crichton's strings to the extent he picked up Ilya Mamantov from his home on Mockingbird ten minutes before the assassination to deposit him at DPD to translate for Marina? Did Marcello then assign Isaac Don Levine to "manage" Marina as early as November 28?  Did Marcello know H. Keith Thompson who would navigate Marguerite's affairs including a stint on the Irv Kupcinet show in Chicago - participating on a panel with Hitler's former favorite banker Hjalmar Schacht?  

I don't argue.

I am here to see what I can learn since two people (Murr and Hancock) opened a door to my discovery of questions to answers that I did not know existed.

If I contribute something to this Forum, that's fine.

However, some members of this Forum like David Von Pein who have preset and fixed ideas, will disagree with my statement, and that's also fine by me.

[Leslie Sharp]

2 minutes ago, Mervyn Hagger said:

I don't argue.

I am here to see what I can learn since two people (Murr and Hancock) opened a door to my discovery of questions to answers that I did not know existed.

If I contribute something to this Forum, that's fine.

However, some members of this Forum like David Von Pein who have preset and fixed ideas, will disagree with my statement, and that's also fine by me.

I agree that those here in good faith are "here to learn."  but I've always been concerned by the Marcello Did It argument when the most fundamental question — the cover up — can't be explained.  He did not have that power, and the suggestion that once Oswald was indicted, it all "just fell into place" makes no sense at all. Secret Service, SA Odum, Capt. Gannaway, Col. Crichton, Parkland, DA Wade, Asst. Alexander, Bob Storey, Leon Jaworski, Bethesda, Dulles, McCloy?   Marcello simply did not have that reach.

[Mervyn Hagger]

18 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

I agree that those here in good faith are "here to learn."  but I've always been concerned by the Marcello Did It argument when the most fundamental question — the cover up — can't be explained.  He did not have that power, and the suggestion that once Oswald was indicted, it all "just fell into place" makes no sense at all. Secret Service, SA Odum, Capt. Gannaway, Col. Crichton, Parkland, DA Wade, Asst. Alexander, Bob Storey, Leon Jaworski, Bethesda, Dulles, McCloy?   Marcello simply did not have that reach.

The answer to the riddle is in the trap that the Kennedys created by circumstance and in secrecy. The story becomes convoluted as with a person found in a court room to be telling less than the truth, or even a total fabrication of events, which in this instance carried the threat of nuclear war, if at that time the real story had been revealed. So it was not Marcello who had to cover-up anything, the Establishment did that for him. By the 'Establishment', I mean that alphabet soup in all of its many forms. It began to mislead and misdirect the American People and the world at large, to such an extent that its tangled web of deceit became so big that the less likely it was that anyone could ever reveal the extent to which Uncle Sam had become a sham. I am sure that several Presidents have thought that it would be a simple matter to finally 'tell all', only to discover that you can't tell a little bit of truth without revealing the whole truth, and to do that would mean the world turning its back on anything that the USA ever promised anyone in the future. We see this playing out now in the aftermath of a string of recent wars, all based upon deceit and misinformation. Marcello saw the opportunity and he seized it. He could not lose, and so far, he has not lost.

[Leslie Sharp]

9 hours ago, Mervyn Hagger said:

The answer to the riddle is in the trap that the Kennedys created by circumstance and in secrecy. The story becomes convoluted as with a person found in a court room to be telling less than the truth, or even a total fabrication of events, which in this instance carried the threat of nuclear war, if at that time the real story had been revealed. So it was not Marcello who had to cover-up anything, the Establishment did that for him. By the 'Establishment', I mean that alphabet soup in all of its many forms. It began to mislead and misdirect the American People and the world at large, to such an extent that its tangled web of deceit became so big that the less likely it was that anyone could ever reveal the extent to which Uncle Sam had become a sham. I am sure that several Presidents have thought that it would be a simple matter to finally 'tell all', only to discover that you can't tell a little bit of truth without revealing the whole truth, and to do that would mean the world turning its back on anything that the USA ever promised anyone in the future. We see this playing out now in the aftermath of a string of recent wars, all based upon deceit and misinformation. Marcello saw the opportunity and he seized it. He could not lose, and so far, he has not lost.

The answer resides in the details. I had hoped we might deliberate over some of those details, specifically how Marcello might have controlled the immediate aftermath including arrangements for Marina's translator or  Robert Storey's role as liaison with the Warren Commission?  I'm wondering if you have evidence that Marcello had any influence over Jack Crichton, then running for GOP candidate for Texas Governor, or Robert Storey, esteemed international petroleum industry attorney?

[Mervyn Hagger]

27 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

The answer resides in the details. I had hoped we might deliberate over some of those details, specifically how Marcello might have controlled the immediate aftermath including arrangements for Marina's translator or  Robert Storey's role as liaison with the Warren Commission?  I'm wondering if you have evidence that Marcello had any influence over Jack Crichton, then running for GOP candidate for Texas Governor, or Robert Storey, esteemed international petroleum industry attorney?

Leslie, the thread I am following was begun by Gary Murr and Larry Hancock via a friend of mine in Norway who has a large collection of material about the mv Olga Patricia.

Using as a guide Occam's Razor, it seems to me that RFK dug the grave of his brother by taking on Marcello, and Marcello used the opportunity to kill JFK to get rid of RFK and anyone like him. It was the denial of involvement by JFK that created a lie later put into print after the fact by the New York Times that JFK had turned on the entire CIA. He had not. He had spun off a chunk of it operating in South Miami and under the control of the Special Group (Augmented) which referred to the management hand of RFK.

This is where the Olga Patricia comes into play via Manuel Artime Buesa as a 'mother ship' for continuing raids on Cuba. Fidel knew all about this and it seems obvious that so did Marcello, since the CIA had turned to the Mafia for help with assassinating Fidel. After the murder of JFK the CIA quickly got rid of the Mi Amigo and then the Olga Patricia. Don Pierson of Eastland, Texas had control of the OP until 1968 when he tangled with Papa Doc in Haiti where he followed in the same path ad De Mohrenschildt and Clint Murchison. There was a plan afoot to use Haiti as a base to attack Cuba. But everything went haywire. After the OP got back into expat Cuban hands, it started raiding Cuba again and Fidel denounced it as a CIA ship over Radio Havana. In retaliation Fidel started attacking other ships tied to US interests. The US State Department then stepped in and seized and sold the ship to a fishing fleet. We are now well into the 1970s.

The misinformation and misdirection got wilder and wilder and in the end the JFK murder mystery was buried. Marcello did not have to do a thing. No US President could begin to tell the American people the whole truth, and that is why documents are still classified.

Uncle Sam is a sham when it comes to diplomacy and international relations, and its teacher was Winston Churchill. Even the entire Trump mess began in London using the same sort of tactics that the British have always used.

Marcello did not have to lift a finger.

Uncle Sam has dug a pit and climbed into it.

That is where Occam's Razor comes into play. The scenario is very basic and very simple but in order to create the nonsense that the shots to kill JFK were fired by LHO from the rear, even the Daily Herald of November 23, 1963 could not make sense of the dispatches from Dallas - so in their reports JFK had just left the overpass and was approaching the SBD!

This is where the question of whether JFK was shot from behind or from the front comes into play.

If we begin with a closer look at the SGA, the ships and then Marcello, a totally different kind of story emerges in two versions: one is true and one is false and so far, the false narrative still dominates the discussion.

[Leslie Sharp]

4 minutes ago, Mervyn Hagger said:

Leslie, the thread I am following was begun by Gary Murr and Larry Hancock via a friend of mine in Norway who has a large collection of material about the mv Olga Patricia.

Using as a guide Occam's Razor, it seems to me that RFK dug the grave of his brother by taking on Marcello, and Marcello used the opportunity to kill JFK to get rid of RFK and anyone like him. It was the denial of involvement by JFK that created a lie later put into print after the fact by the New York Times that JFK had turned on the entire CIA. He had not. He had spun off a chunk of it operating in South Miami and under the control of the Special Group (Augmented) which referred to the management hand of RFK.

This is where the Olga Patricia comes into play via Manuel Artime Buesa as a 'mother ship' for continuing raids on Cuba. Fidel knew all about this and it seems obvious that so did Marcello, since the CIA had turned to the Mafia for help with assassinating Fidel. After the murder of JFK the CIA quickly got rid of the Mi Amigo and then the Olga Patricia. Don Pierson of Eastland, Texas had control of the OP until 1968 when he tangled with Papa Doc in Haiti where he followed in the same path ad De Mohrenschildt and Clint Murchison. There was a plan afoot to use Haiti as a base to attack Cuba. But everything went haywire. After the OP got back into expat Cuban hands, it started raiding Cuba again and Fidel denounced it as a CIA ship over Radio Havana. In retaliation Fidel started attacking other ships tied to US interests. The US State Department then stepped in and seized and sold the ship to a fishing fleet. We are now well into the 1970s.

The misinformation and misdirection got wilder and wilder and in the end the JFK murder mystery was buried. Marcello did not have to do a thing. No US President could begin to tell the American people the whole truth, and that is why documents are still classified.

Uncle Sam is a sham when it comes to diplomacy and international relations, and its teacher was Winston Churchill. Even the entire Trump mess began in London using the same sort of tactics that the British have always used.

Marcello did not have to lift a finger.

Uncle Sam has dug a pit and climbed into it.

That is where Occam's Razor comes into play. The scenario is very basic and very simple but in order to create the nonsense that the shots to kill JFK were fired by LHO from the rear, even the Daily Herald of November 23, 1963 could not make sense of the dispatches from Dallas - so in their reports JFK had just left the overpass and was approaching the SBD!

This is where the question of whether JFK was shot from behind or from the front comes into play.

If we begin with a closer look at the SGA, the ships and then Marcello, a totally different kind of story emerges in two versions: one is true and one is false and so far, the false narrative still dominates the discussion.

Nothing about Crichton or Storey, as but two examples of the details you failed to address here?

There are many Occam's Razors:

Vietnam

Texas Tidelands Case

Ellen Rometsch

North Africa independence movements

Middle East oil

. . . to name but five.

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Leslie Sharp

[Mervyn Hagger]

2 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

Nothing about Crichton or Storey, as but two examples of the details you failed to address here?

 

Leslie I can't keep repeating what I have already stated.

[Leslie Sharp]

20 minutes ago, Mervyn Hagger said:

Leslie I can't keep repeating what I have already stated.

 I respect generalizations, but you've invoked the term evidence and insisted that you're in pursuit of solving a case so I would think the details matter; how exactly did Marcello orchestrate the immediate aftermath and the ensuing cover up?

For example, Marcello's fingerprints are nowhere to be found here:

            The propaganda promoted by Clifford Forster and his ilk continues to date, most recently with the publication of Operation Dragon, by former CIA director R. James Woolsey and coauthor, former Romanian acting spy chief Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa. Published by Encounter books, provider of “Books for Smart Conservatives,” the description claims the authors have “. . . finally and definitively put to rest the question of who killed President Kennedy on November 22, 1963. All evidence points to the fact that the assassination—carried out by Lee Harvey Oswald—was ordered by Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev, acting through what was essentially the Russian leader’s personal army, the KGB (now known as the FSB). . .” 

            Forster’s December ’63 contribution to the “clean-up operation,” claiming that Oswald was as a lone nut and a former defector to Soviet Russia sent home to murder the president, coincided with the role assigned to Forster’s fellow board member at Paix et Liberté, one Isaac Don Levine who is central to the Epilogue of our saga. As we learn later, it was Levine who was assigned the task to “deal with” Marina Oswald in the aftermath of her husband’s murder, as reflected in Lafitte’s November 28 entry: Levine will deal w/ Marina e.t. ... JA ... call Madrid. 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Leslie Sharp