Dallas Times Herald Editor’s Notes

[Greg Doudna]

1 hour ago, Jean Ceulemans said:

437 to me really reads street DRESS(ing), referring to a non-uniformd person (more often one would say  plain-clothes officers...) 

 

Absolutely right Jean-Paul, it reads "street dress", false alarm. (Not "drain".)

I see Denis M's photos now at the links at his opening post are clear as a bell on that reading, replacing the photos originally posted which were less clear and the word was blurred.

Thanks!!!!

It is curious what the meaning is of both Mary Moorman and Jean Hill saying they saw a plain-clothed man shooting at someone else running up the Grassy Knoll. Anyway, glad to get that cleared up.

[Denise Hazelwood]

 

On 4/25/2024 at 10:32 PM, Greg Doudna said:

It is curious what the meaning is of both Mary Moorman and Jean Hill saying they saw a plain-clothed man shooting at someone else running up the Grassy Knoll. Anyway, glad to get that cleared up.

And who in the motorcade was in “street dress” armed with guns? Why, that would be the plainclothes Secret Service agents! Including George Hickey with the AR-15 rifle. When Mary Moorman told Jean Hill, “Get down. They’re shooting!” The “they” was Secret Service men, not someone hidden in a sewer or behind the fence, but SSA’s (especially Hickey) preparing to shoot back.

[Denise Hazelwood]

Also of note are the multiple references to the BACK of the head blowout, the same day references to James Tague and the curb strike, Zapruder seeing a blob of blood on JFK’s forehead (aka “temple”), which I believe actually happened with the first shot (as reported by Alan Smith) but was not noticed by Zapruder and Sitzman until later), multiple witnesses describing him as “slumped” after the first shot, quoting Yarborough as saying that he didn’t think the “sub machine gun” had been “fireded” (sic.)(contrary to other reports saying that “the third shot might have been a Secret Service man returning fire”)—which I believe was either a misunderstanding on the part of the reporter or an attempt to “clean up” the accident, given the other excessively glowing descriptions of the SS—although I don’t think that this was ever printed by the DTH, the account of the motorcycle cop “vaulting” the fence or concrete wall and apparently finding nothing of interest, accounts of plainclothes officers (Secret Service) chasing someone who was running up the hill (probably the Black man seen starting up the steps in the better versions of the Marie Muchmore film, who can also be seen in the better quality versions of the Moorman photo, which probably explains the pool of blood at the top of the stairs), and the EXTREMELY interesting account by Mrs. Charles Hester describing the first shot as “like a firecracker exploding in his head,” which corroborates Ruby Henderson’s “paper” (which she later realized was “flesh”) flying out of the car with the first shot as well as Jack Franzen’s “firecracker” exploding in the car with the first shot as well as Alan Smith’s “forehead” first shot (see 449, the “slumping” with the “second” shot was a coincidence with the timing of the next shot rather than JFK being struck by the shot).

Edited April 28 by Denise Hazelwood
Added a bit of clarification

[Greg Doudna]

5 hours ago, Denise Hazelwood said:

And who in the motorcade was in “street dress” armed with guns? Why, that would be the plainclothes Secret Service agents! Including George Hickey with the AR-15 rifle. When Mary Moorman told Jean Hill, “Get down. They’re shooting!” The “they” was Secret Service men, not someone hidden in a sewer or behind the fence, but SSA’s (especially Hickey) preparing to shoot back.

You may be right Mary Moorman’s reference to thinking she saw a Secret Service (in the motorcade) in plain clothes (“street dress”) shooting at someone running up the Grassy Knoll, would be Hickey with his gun partly standing up whom she would have seen. And the fact she thought that, could argue for her hearing from sound a shot seemingly from the street, which she assumed came from the man she saw with the gun, Hickey. 

Moorman’s impression of that would also be consistent however with seeing Hickey, combined with hearing a shot from the street vicinity, such as the storm drain (without seeing anything other than Hickey with his gun), the sound of a shot on the other side of the presidential limousine being associated by Moorman with Hickey visually. 

The positive argument for a storm drain shot at ca Z325 consists of (a) argument for the jfk throat wound being an entrance, (b) testimony of smell of gunsmoke near the street and presidential limousine; (c) Moorman’s thinking from sound that a shot sounded in the vicinity of the presidential limousine; (d) no counter evidence excluding a person was in and shot from the storm drain (no record any officer looked or checked); (e) plausibility of if an assassination was being planned at that location, as that being a good location to put a sniper in position; (f) newsman Pate claimed he saw gunsmoke coming out of the storm drain. 

All of these factors are amenable to other explanations I realize, but as the saying goes, “just sayin’”. 

[Denise Hazelwood]

2 hours ago, Greg Doudna said:

Moorman’s impression of that would also be consistent however with seeing Hickey, combined with hearing a shot from the street vicinity, such as the storm drain (without seeing anything other than Hickey with his gun), the sound of a shot on the other side of the presidential limousine being associated by Moorman with Hickey visually. 

She saw a flash of light and a puff of smoke that she thought originated from the picket fence across the street. I contend that it originated from the AR-15 that was between her and the fence but didn’t associate it with Hickey because he was not aiming and was in the process of falling. I also think that the men who were chasing the Black bystander up the stairs came from Johnson’s detail—Lem John’s and Warren Taylor. The Newmans, in an interview, described plainclothes men from the motorcade 2-3 cars behind the President’s running up the hill with their guns drawn and SSA Paul Landis described pointing at a suspicious-looking Black man dressed in green shirt and tan pants running up the hill/stairs in one of the accounts of the recent bullet revelation. 
 

Correction: It was light green pants and beige shirt. 

Edited April 28 by Denise Hazelwood
Correction added