Shots trajectory

[Colm Byrne]

Bullets trajectory with a lot of supporting evidence 

 

 

[Kevin Balch]

Two problems:

1. The photos taken soon after the assassination show the TSBD window on the Houston Street side to be closed. Unless it was opened and somebody later closed it (and you’re going to have to give proof of that), there would be a bullet hole and really the whole pane would likely be shattered. A check of the Alyea film might reveal if the window was ever open. I’ll leave that to you.
2. Such a shot would be like trying to look through a keyhole from a foot away. The angle of view is so narrow that there is no opportunity to track the target and even if you could, there would be at best one opportunity for a shot.

[Chris Bristow]

It is interesting that a shot from the roof of the Daltex matches the 6th floor throat shot trajectory so closely. A shooter there could fire past the southeast corner of the TSBD and match the 6th floor trajectory by just 3 degrees vertically and horizontally.
 The problem with a shot from the Daltex passing through the 6th floor window is it allows for less than a 1 degrees change in trajectory making it impossible to track and shoot. 

A 21 degree slope angle drops at 4.60 " per ft
A 22 degree slope angle drops at 4.84" per ft.
 Changing the slope from 21 to 22 increases the drop by .24" per ft.
 The 6th floor window is approx 130 ft from the Daltex roof position.
      So 130 ft X .24"drop per ft = 31" of drop through the 6th floor window. But the 6th floor window was open less than 20".
The part of Elm seen through the TSBD from the Daltex is only about 22 ft along its length. The limo was moving at 12mph and would have been visible in the window for slightly over 1 second.
 
  

[Kevin Balch]

2 hours ago, Chris Bristow said:

It is interesting that a shot from the roof of the Daltex matches the 6th floor throat shot trajectory so closely. A shooter there could fire past the southeast corner of the TSBD and match the 6th floor trajectory by just 3 degrees vertically and horizontally.
 The problem with a shot from the Daltex passing through the 6th floor window is it allows for less than a 1 degrees change in trajectory making it impossible to track and shoot. 

A 21 degree slope angle drops at 4.60 " per ft
A 22 degree slope angle drops at 4.84" per ft.
 Changing the slope from 21 to 22 increases the drop by .24" per ft.
 The 6th floor window is approx 130 ft from the Daltex roof position.
      So 130 ft X .24"drop per ft = 31" of drop through the 6th floor window. But the 6th floor window was open less than 20".
The part of Elm seen through the TSBD from the Daltex is only about 22 ft along its length. The limo was moving at 12mph and would have been visible in the window for slightly over 1 second.
 
  

The Elm Street side of the DalTex would also work. And a shooter wouldn’t have to contend with the spectators on the fire escape. No photos of that side during the assassination (that I am aware of) to see if any windows were open and which might have been missed by an anticipated but never performed Secret Service check.

[Nick Bartetzko]

42 minutes ago, Kevin Balch said:

The Elm Street side of the DalTex would also work. And a shooter wouldn’t have to contend with the spectators on the fire escape. No photos of that side during the assassination (that I am aware of) to see if any windows were open and which might have been missed by an anticipated but never performed Secret Service check.

I have wondered about that same location. There is a film of the car turning onto Houston, but don't recall if it shows that side of DalTex and there's the Hughes film as well. 

[Kevin Balch]

9 hours ago, Nick Bartetzko said:

I have wondered about that same location. There is a film of the car turning onto Houston, but don't recall if it shows that side of DalTex and there's the Hughes film as well. 

The Hughes film was taken too far south on Houston to see anything. The Towner film was focused on the limo.

There are some photos of Buddy Walthers and others on the infield looking at a track in the grass but the DalTex building is hidden behind a tree. Finally, there is a Stuart Reed photo taken from the corner of Market and Elm streets looking toward Dealey Plaza but the view of the DalTex building is to oblique to see if any windows are open.

[Colm Byrne]

13 hours ago, Chris Bristow said:

It is interesting that a shot from the roof of the Daltex matches the 6th floor throat shot trajectory so closely. A shooter there could fire past the southeast corner of the TSBD and match the 6th floor trajectory by just 3 degrees vertically and horizontally.
 The problem with a shot from the Daltex passing through the 6th floor window is it allows for less than a 1 degrees change in trajectory making it impossible to track and shoot. 

A 21 degree slope angle drops at 4.60 " per ft
A 22 degree slope angle drops at 4.84" per ft.
 Changing the slope from 21 to 22 increases the drop by .24" per ft.
 The 6th floor window is approx 130 ft from the Daltex roof position.
      So 130 ft X .24"drop per ft = 31" of drop through the 6th floor window. But the 6th floor window was open less than 20".
The part of Elm seen through the TSBD from the Daltex is only about 22 ft along its length. The limo was moving at 12mph and would have been visible in the window for slightly over 1 second.
 
  

We did discuss this before, the museum has since forwarded me photos which they took from the alleged snipers position and turned the camera around to face out the Daltex side window, a quite visible view of the roof and the windows below it are seen, which shows that it is possible to shoot all the way down Elm street from the daltex via the tsbd, starting at the tree up to the triple underpass.

The shooter would have the same amount of time available from the Daltex via the tsbd as anyone who was on the 6th floor.

The images files are too big to post, unless anyone can advise on how I can upload them here?

 

[Kevin Balch]

35 minutes ago, Colm Byrne said:

We did discuss this before, the museum has since forwarded me photos which they took from the alleged snipers position and turned the camera around to face out the Daltex side window, a quite visible view of the roof and the windows below it are seen, which shows that it is possible to shoot all the way down Elm street from the daltex via the tsbd, starting at the tree up to the triple underpass.

But was the window OPEN at the time and what is the proof?

And why have a shooter on the 6th floor of the TSBD who was observed (or at least his rifle was) but make the actual shot from the DalTex building. Whoever was on the 6th floor also had to escape. Why take the risk without taking a shot?

We’d need to see a picture from the DalTex shooter’s point of view, not the other way around.

 

 

35 minutes ago, Colm Byrne said:

The shooter would have the same amount of time available from the Daltex via the tsbd as anyone who was on the 6th floor.

False.

Edited May 23 by Kevin Balch

[Denise Hazelwood]

On 5/22/2024 at 5:06 PM, Colm Byrne said:

Bullets trajectory with a lot of supporting evidence

Eh? This is just a short animation with no supporting evidence.

[Colm Byrne]

14 hours ago, Denise Hazelwood said:

Eh? This is just a short animation with no supporting evidence.

This animation is as long as it took the conspirators to assassinate J.F.K and it does have a lot of supporting evidence especially on the very well established trajectory of the bullets, it is also very viable and possible when witness testimonies such as the witnesses on the 5th floor is considered, along with a whole host of other pieces of evidence 

[Colm Byrne]

On 5/23/2024 at 4:27 PM, Kevin Balch said:

But was the window OPEN at the time and what is the proof?

And why have a shooter on the 6th floor of the TSBD who was observed (or at least his rifle was) but make the actual shot from the DalTex building. Whoever was on the 6th floor also had to escape. Why take the risk without taking a shot?

We’d need to see a picture from the DalTex shooter’s point of view, not the other way around.

 

 

False.

No photo evidence exists to show that window, to be open or closed, pre shooting, there are one or two but they are blurry.

The reason this scenario would be used would be to create the impression that the shooter was at the 6th floor window, to frame Oswald, and it allowed the real shooters on the Daltex escape because all eyes were off that building.

The view from the Daltex via the tsbd 6th floor, makes the road on Elm visible from the tree right up to the underpass.

[Kevin Balch]

On 5/22/2024 at 6:08 PM, Chris Bristow said:

It is interesting that a shot from the roof of the Daltex matches the 6th floor throat shot trajectory so closely. A shooter there could fire past the southeast corner of the TSBD and match the 6th floor trajectory by just 3 degrees vertically and horizontally.
 The problem with a shot from the Daltex passing through the 6th floor window is it allows for less than a 1 degrees change in trajectory making it impossible to track and shoot. 

A 21 degree slope angle drops at 4.60 " per ft
A 22 degree slope angle drops at 4.84" per ft.
 Changing the slope from 21 to 22 increases the drop by .24" per ft.
 The 6th floor window is approx 130 ft from the Daltex roof position.
      So 130 ft X .24"drop per ft = 31" of drop through the 6th floor window. But the 6th floor window was open less than 20".
The part of Elm seen through the TSBD from the Daltex is only about 22 ft along its length. The limo was moving at 12mph and would have been visible in the window for slightly over 1 second.
 
  

I used the Don Roberdeau drawing to line up the proposed shot.

No way is it practical. Not worth spending any more time on.

[Colm Byrne]

1 hour ago, Kevin Balch said:

I used the Don Roberdeau drawing to line up the proposed shot.

No way is it practical. Not worth spending any more time on.

It would be great if this thread stayed on topic. The possibility of it is great, it has massive supporting evidence, so if any member wants to challenge it, then I would be glad to respond.

I really would prefer that all other theories had their own threads and let this particular theory be discussed in it's entirety. Thanks 

Edited May 24 by Colm Byrne
Adding more information

[Denise Hazelwood]

3 hours ago, Colm Byrne said:

This animation is as long as it took the conspirators to assassinate J.F.K and it does have a lot of supporting evidence especially on the very well established trajectory of the bullets, it is also very viable and possible when witness testimonies such as the witnesses on the 5th floor is considered, along with a whole host of other pieces of evidence 

There are no links to the supporting evidence. The 5th floor witness testimonies support the TSBD window as the source for 3 shots, hearing the "boom, click-click, boom, click-click, boom" coming from above them. 

[Colm Byrne]

31 minutes ago, Denise Hazelwood said:

There are no links to the supporting evidence. The 5th floor witness testimonies support the TSBD window as the source for 3 shots, hearing the "boom, click-click, boom, click-click, boom" coming from above them. 

That still does not prove that the shots got fired from above them, they also described that the window frame rattled, and that cement dust fell into one of their heads, as well as hearing the empty shells land on the floor

Edited May 24 by Colm Byrne