Denise Hazelwood Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 12 minutes ago, David Von Pein said: Just do an "eyeball" comparison yourself of where the "wound" is in these two pictures. It sure looks to me like Specter's got it pretty close to being right (even though he didn't drill the rod clean through the JFK stand-in). Do you really think Specter's north/south placement of the wound is way off here? .... And where exactly is the wound in the back photograph, which hole? Edward Livingstone contacted Diana Bowron who saw the hole and asked her which "spot" was the back wound. She picked the lowest spot, down towards the bottom 1/4 of the ruler, not any of the "black" spots near the top of the ruler. Given that the back of the head seems fairly intact in your image and I am pretty confident that many of the autopsy images were altered, I don't trust this image not to have been altered. The alteration may have included the back wound, placing several "spots" on the back in order to confuse matters. Yes, I do think Specter's north/south placement of the wound is way off. He'd have done better shortening his rod and pointing from the Kennedy model's throat wound location (which of course would have ignored the back wound location) to Connally's armpit, which would have ignored the back wound location, still. If he had used one rod to the Kennedy model's back wound, and a second from the throat wound to Connally's armpit, the discrepancy would have been more obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denise Hazelwood Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 Sorry, I mis-remembered. Bowron's wound location was somewhat higher than I indicated. Here is a scan from Livingstone's book of the picture he received back from Bowron, who told him "This is not the back I saw." Sorry for the small size. My allowed file size keeps getting smaller and smaller... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, Denise Hazelwood said: I am pretty confident that many of the autopsy images were altered, More "altered" stuff, Denise? Yikes! And you are confident in saying "many of the autopsy images were altered", despite the fact we find these words written on Page 41 of HSCA Vol. 7? .... "The evidence indicates that the autopsy photographs and X-rays were taken of President Kennedy at the time of his autopsy and that they had not been altered in any manner." -- 7 HSCA 41 Edited June 15 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 8 hours ago, David Von Pein said: More "altered" stuff, Denise? Yikes! And you are confident in saying "many of the autopsy images were altered", despite the fact we find these words written on Page 41 of HSCA Vol. 7? .... "The evidence indicates that the autopsy photographs and X-rays were taken of President Kennedy at the time of his autopsy and that they had not been altered in any manner." -- 7 HSCA 41 I see the slippery slope as well. If someone believes the evidence is altered then there is no real basis for discussion. "Well, we know it is a nice day because it's 70 degrees, the sky is blue and there is not a cloud in the sky." "No, I'm sorry but that thermometer is broken and it's gotta be at least 100 degrees, the sky is really gray but your eyes are bad, and the clouds are special see-through clouds designed by the CIA.' It's right out of Monty Python. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denise Hazelwood Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 8 hours ago, David Von Pein said: More "altered" stuff, Denise? Yikes! And you are confident in saying "many of the autopsy images were altered", despite the fact we find these words written on Page 41 of HSCA Vol. 7? .... "The evidence indicates that the autopsy photographs and X-rays were taken of President Kennedy at the time of his autopsy and that they had not been altered in any manner." -- 7 HSCA 41 All the images showing the back of the head “intact”? When all the witnesses put a blowout hole there? Mantik’s evidence of X-ray alteration? My own observations that the “computer enhanced” lateral X-ray is a composite made with the help of the “living” X-ray? I take the statement that you quoted to be liars continuing to lie. That, or there is another set of pictures and X-rays that are not available to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 11 hours ago, Denise Hazelwood said: I take the statement that you quoted to be liars continuing to lie. Liars, liars everywhere. And fake evidence in even more places. (Geez Louise.) In your opinion, Denise, is there any "legit" (i.e., not tampered with) evidence to be found in the JFK/Tippit murder cases? And if so, what is that evidence? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denise Hazelwood Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 4 hours ago, David Von Pein said: In your opinion, Denise, is there any "legit" (i.e., not tampered with) evidence to be found in the JFK/Tippit murder Witness accounts, especially sworn testimonies. You can also find some hints of truth in the FBI Visual Aid and other sources. For example, the WC trajectory through the head was correct, but there was no “front of the head” blowout. The HSCA published lateral X-ray was correct, but not the “computer enhanced” composite. The best lies usually have some elements of truth in them. But in the case of the JFK assassination, there was a lot of dissembling that basically amounted to lying, plus a lot of outright deception (in terms of photographic and film alteration and media control of stories) by the CIA, along with much dissembling by the FBI and SS. Robert Frazier, for example, was a master of dissembling and had a very loose relationship with the truth. Are you aware of the scandals involving the FBI lying about certain evidence in other cases? Are you aware of the “Cooperative Agreement” between the CIA and the Secret Service specifically regarding a “death of a President”—which could only refer to Kennedy? Or the CIA dispatch specifically telling its assets how to deal with critics of the Warren Report—e.g., by claiming that they are enamored with their own “conspiracy theories,” which is how the term “conspiracy theorist” became weapon used. Are you aware that CIA Director John McCone admitted to participating in a “benign cover-up” (the details of which were never revealed) designed to keep the WC focused on the idea that LHO was the lone shooter? The CIA had media assets all over the place, and I know personally that they had assets in educational institutions (Google “Rochester Institute of Technology, CIA scandal”—the scandal broke out just after I left. RIT, by the way, was the Institution that “certified” the Oswald back yard photos as “authentic.” Can that certification be trusted, given that many of the professors were on the CIA payroll? I think not.) Are you aware of Linda Willis reporting that at least one of her father’s pictures had been “physically altered” because “something showed (in it) that the Secret Service did not want known.” Why on Earth would she say something like that if it wasn’t true? The SS, I don’t think, had the technology to alter pictures beyond creating some “accidental” damage, but the CIA had that capability. Hence the “Cooperative Agreement.” The Katzenbach memo and Hoover-Johnson phone call shows that the intent behind the formation of the WC wasn’t about actually investigating Kennedy’s death but rather about “convincing the public” of pre-determined conclusions. I am certain that the “benign” part of the cover-up in which the CIA participated was the AR-15 accident—which didn’t happen exactly as Donahue had envisioned, but he was on the right track with the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denise Hazelwood Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 DVP, consider the current situation of cover-ups in police involved shootings or other incidents resulting in death. This is why body cameras are so important, and why police unions are so against them. The JFKA has been very similar, except that the “police union” in this case extends to various branches of the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) Thanks for your answer, Denise. 48 minutes ago, Denise Hazelwood said: there was no “front of the head” blowout. Let me remind you where Abe Zapruder and Gayle Newman (two of the closest witnesses to JFK when he was shot) placed the blowout wound.... Edited June 16 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gil Jesus Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 On 6/15/2024 at 3:50 AM, David Von Pein said: More "altered" stuff, Denise? Yikes! And you are confident in saying "many of the autopsy images were altered", despite the fact we find these words written on Page 41 of HSCA Vol. 7? .... "The evidence indicates that the autopsy photographs and X-rays were taken of President Kennedy at the time of his autopsy and that they had not been altered in any manner." -- 7 HSCA 41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denise Hazelwood Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 8 hours ago, David Von Pein said: Let me remind you where Abe Zapruder and Gayle Newman (two of the closest witnesses to JFK when he was shot) placed the blowout wound.... I know what they said . Zapruder was the only one who described a front of the head blowout. You are misquoting Gayle Newman, who described bleeding from the ear— a common occurrence in head trauma—and I do contend that there was an early head shot that would account for that bleeding from the ear. As for Zapruder, I think he was seeing some spray from the exit point above the right ear, or scalp that temporarily lifted up and then settled back down, or was fooled by a rapid head turn (I think it was Chaney who described that), or a bone flap that opened up and then settled back down. At any rate, no one at Parkland saw a blowout there. The head had to be lifted off the gurney in order for Audrey Bell to see the large hole. James Jenkins described a small hole above the ear that he thought was an entrance because it was small. No one else at Parkland or Bethesda described anything there except torn scalp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denise Hazelwood Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 Thank you, Gil Jesus, for posting the Jeremy Gunn video talking about Saundra Kay Spencer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) 3 hours ago, Denise Hazelwood said: I know what they said . Zapruder was the only one who described a front of the head blowout. You are misquoting Gayle Newman, who described bleeding from the ear— a common occurrence in head trauma—and I do contend that there was an early head shot that would account for that bleeding from the ear. As for Zapruder, I think he was seeing some spray from the exit point above the right ear, or scalp that temporarily lifted up and then settled back down, or was fooled by a rapid head turn (I think it was Chaney who described that), or a bone flap that opened up and then settled back down. At any rate, no one at Parkland saw a blowout there. The head had to be lifted off the gurney in order for Audrey Bell to see the large hole. James Jenkins described a small hole above the ear that he thought was an entrance because it was small. No one else at Parkland or Bethesda described anything there except torn scalp. Both Newmans have specified many many times that they saw an explosion from the temple or side of the head by the ear--exactly what is shown in the Zapruder film. Frances Gayle Newman was Bill Newman's wife and is the woman looking into the camera in the photo above. (11-22-63 first interview on WFAA, prior to the announcement of Kennedy's death, at approximately 12:45) (When asked if she saw the blood) "Yes sir, it was awful." (When asked what her first thought was after the shots were fired) "I thought it was a firecracker and I saw the blood and I.....I had the baby and I .....I just ran and we....I got on top of him and laid on the grass. I....I was....it scared me. It was terrible." (When asked what else she saw) "Governor Connally was kinda turned to the side and he grabbed his stomach." (11-22-63 second interview on WFAA, at approximately 1:17 PM) “We were standing next to the curb so the children could see the President. And the car was just up apiece from us and this shot fired out, and I thought it was a firecracker, and the President kind of raised up in his seat. And I thought, you know, he was kind of going along with a gag or something. And then all of a sudden the next one popped, and Governor Connally grabbed his stomach and kind of laid over to the side. And then another one—it was just awful fast. And President Kennedy reached up (with both hands she reaches for her right temple) and grabbed--it looked like he grabbed--his ear and blood just started gushing out. (She lowers her hands) And my husband said “Quick, get down” and I grabbed the baby and we ran and laid down on the grass and I got on top of him. It was just right by us when it all happened, just right in front of us." (When asked if she saw anybody) "It happened so fast that you didn't have the chance to see anything. It was just too fast.” (11-22-63 statement to Dallas Sheriff’s Department, 24H218) “When President Kennedy’s car was about ten feet from us, I heard a noise that sounded like a firecracker going off. President Kennedy kind of jumped like he was startled and then covered his head with his hands and then raised up. After I heard the first shot, another shot sounded and Governor Connally kind of grabbed his chest and lay back on the seat of the car. When I first saw and heard all this, I thought it was all of a joke. Just about the time President Kennedy was in front of us, I heard another shot ring out and the President put his hands up to his head, I saw blood all over the side of his head. About this time, Mrs. Kennedy grabbed the President and he kind of lay over to the side kind of in her arms. Then my husband, Billy, said it is a shot. We grabbed our two children and my husband lay on one child and I lay on the other one on the grass. We started to get up and then all of a sudden we lay back down. I don’t know what it was but another shot may have been fired that caused us to lay back down.” (11-24-63 FBI report, 22H842) “She estimated that when the limousine bearing the President was about 50 feet from them she heard 2 reports and the President seemed to rise up in his seat. A few seconds later she heard another shot and saw that the President had been hit in the head because she saw blood flowing from his body. She believed there were first two shots in succession, a pause, then another shot was fired which struck the President… After the shots were fired, she and her husband each grabbed a child and lay down on the grass fearing they might be hit by gunfire.” (2-15-69 testimony in the trial of Clay Shaw) “The President's car was maybe 100 or 150 feet from us when I first heard the noise and the first two noises were close together, just seconds apart…at the time of the first noise he threw his hands up…He threw his hands up like this and sort of turned his head… I saw Governor Connally with the first shot seemed to turn a little bit like this. (Indicating)… at the time of the second shot Governor Connally grabbed his stomach…his eyes just got real big and he sort of slumped down in the seat…we heard a third report, it was a short time, not maybe 10 or 12 seconds after the first two shots…that shot when it happened, the President's car was directly in front of us and it was about a lane's width between us, it wasn't in the lane next to the curb it was in the middle lane, and at that time he was shot in the head right at his ear or right above his ear…The President, his head just seemed to explode, just bits of his skull flew in the air and he fell to the side.” (Interview in The Men Who Killed Kennedy, broadcast 1988) “The first two shots I didn’t realize what they were but the third shot, after it was fired, I heard Mrs. Kennedy scream “Oh no! They shot Jack!” And it just sorta put a chill over you. It was just terrible.” (7-10-91 video-taped interview with Mark Oakes) "I was pointing to the children that the President was coming when we heard two quick noises that sounded like firecrackers. It went through my mind that it was in very bad taste for someone to throw firecrackers, y'know close to the President's car. He seemed to be reacting, y'know, shielding his face, and I thought well he's got a real good sense of humor. They approached closer. When they got directly in front of us the third shot was fired and it hit him in the side of the head and bits of flesh and stuff flew up in the air. And Bill turned to me and he said 'That's it!' And we turned around and put the children on the ground and shielded them with our bodies." (When asked about the head shot) "When he was shot, bits of stuff flew up (motions to right temple) and blood started coming out of his head. And he fell over into Mrs. Kennedy's lap...He was directly in front of us when the third shot was fired." (Interview with Texas Monthly, November 1998) “as the car turned the corner and came towards us, we heard a noise. I thought it was a firecracker. And the people in the car reacted, especially President Kennedy. He threw his hands up, I thought he was going, you know, going along with a bad joke…Then, as they got closer to us, directly in front of us, when the other shot that (was) shot, you know, the side of his head, you could see the white matter coming out of his head, then red, and we heard her (Jackie) holler, “Oh my God, no, they shot Jack!” And Bill turned to us and he said, “That’s it. Put the children on the ground.” We put the children on the ground and shielded them with our bodies because we thought we were in, you know, direct crossfire.” William Newman was standing on the north side of Elm Street with his wife and two kids and can be seen in the Muchmore film just behind Kennedy as the fatal shot is fired. (11-22-63 interview on WFAA, prior to the announcement of the President's death, at approximately 12:45) “We were, we just come from Love Field after seeing the President and First Lady, and we were just in front of the triple underpass on Elm Street at the edge of the curb, getting ready to wave at the President. (After being asked to clarify his position) We were halfway in between the triple underpass. We were at the curb when this incident happened. But the President’s car was some fifty feet in front of us still yet in front of us coming toward us when we heard the first shot and the President. I don't know who was hit first but the President jumped up in his seat, and I thought it scared him, I thought it was a firecracker, cause he looked, you know, fear. And then as the car got directly in front of us well a gunshot apparently from behind us hit the President in the side of the temple.” (As he says this last line he points to his left temple) (When asked if he thought the first shot came form the same location) "I think it came from the same location apparently back up on the mall, whatchacallit." (When asked if he thought the shot came from the viaduct) "Yes, sir, no, no, not on the viaduct itself but up on top of the hill, on the mound, of ground, in the garden." (When asked from how far away the shots were fired) "I have no idea. I didn't see where the gunshots come from. I believe we was looking directly at the President when he was hit. He was more or less directly in front of us. We didn't realize what happened until we seen the side of his head, when the bullet hit him. (When asked if he saw blood) "Yes sir, we seen it. I seen it." (11-22-63 second interview on WFAA, prior to the announcement of Kennedy's death, at approximately 1:00 PM) (When asked if he felt the shots came from different directions) "No sir, actually I feel that they both come from directly behind where we were standing. The President, it looked like he was looking in that direction. I don't know whether he was hit first. Apparently he wasn't. It looked like he jumped up in his seat, and when he jumped up he was shot directly in his head. I don't know whatchacallit--the mall behind us--but apparently (interviewer Jay Watson finishing his thought) "that's where he was." (11-22-63 third interview on WFAA, at approximately 1:10 PM) “My wife and my two sons were standing at the curb, looking at the President approaching us, when we heard a blast. And the President looked like that he right jumped up in his seat, and by that time he was directly in front of us. And then he......we seen him get shot in the side of the head. And he fell back in his seat and Governor Connally was holding his stomach." (When asked if the shots were almost simultaneous) "Yes sir, they were probably 10 seconds apart." (When asked if he heard a third shot) "I didn't hear a third...I don't recall a third shot. There may have been. We hit...my family hit the ground. I don't recall a third shot. I just couldn't...I'm not certain of that. I do know I heard two shots." (11-22-63 statement to Dallas Sheriff’s Department, 24H219) “We were standing at the edge of the curb looking at the car as it was coming toward us and all of a sudden there was a noise, apparently gunshot. The President jumped up in his seat, and it looked like what I thought was firecracker had went off and I thought he had realized it. It was just like an explosion and he was standing up. By this time he was directly in front of us and I was looking directly at him when he was hit in the side of the head.” (11-24-63 FBI report, 22H842) “when the President’s car was approximately 50 feet from him proceeding in a westerly direction on Elm Street, he heard the first shots fired...the shots were fired in rapid succession which he thought at the time was a firecracker. The car was proceeding toward him and it seemed that the President’s arms went up and that he raised up in his seat and started to look around. The car proceeded to a point about even with him and he could see Governor John Connally was holding his stomach. About that time another shot was fired which he estimated was ten seconds after the first shot was fired. At that time he heard the bullet strike the president and saw flesh fly from the President’s head… Newman first thought the President and Governor were playing some kind of a game.” (11-29-66 taped interview with Josiah Thompson, as recounted in Six Seconds in Dallas, 1967) "We were looking back up the street to see if the motorcade was coming and the first two shots were fired, and of course the first shot, boom, the President threw his arms up like that, spun around sort of...and then it looked like he was looking in the crowd, you know, like he was looking for something, just kind of a wild expression..." (When asked the spacing of the first two shots) "about a second apart." (When asked about a drawing in which he depicted the fatal bullet's striking Kennedy by his ear) "That's what I saw. The way he was hit, it looked like he had just been hit with a baseball pitch, just like a block of wood fell over his... (When it was pointed out to him that he was moving his head backwards and to the left, and his drawing had depicted a wound by the ear) "In my opinion the ear went." (When asked if he thought shots came from in back of him) "That's right. Well, of course, the President's being shot in the side of the head by the third shot--I thought the shot was fired from directly behind where we were standing. And that's what scared us, because I thought we were right in the direct path of gunfire." (When asked again if his impression was that the bullet entered the side of the head) "Right. Right. My thoughts were that the shot entered there and apparently the thoughts of the Warren Commission were that the shot came out that side.” (When asked again if his impression was that the shots came from behind where he was standing) "Right. Well I think everybody thought the shots were from where I'm saying--behind us--because everybody went in that direction. Must have." (When asked if "behind us" would include the direction of the depository building) "Well, this is going to sound peculiar, but I was thinking more just the opposite of the building...actually the thought never entered my mind that the shots were coming from the building...But, of course, I've talked to people and they say, at that height, it echoes... (When asked if it was his impression then that the shots came from the right front of the President) "The thought never entered my mind that it was coming from the rear." (At another point in the book) "I thought the shots were coming from right off the tops of our heads...When we turned around, I think...well, several people hit the ground." (2-17-69testimony in the trial of Clay Shaw) (When asked how many shots he heard) "I heard at least three. I often thought of four, but I can't clearly say there were four shots; I can clearly say there were three." (When asked if he developed an impression from where the shots had been fired) "Yes, sir. From the sound of the shots, the report of the rifle or whatever it was, it sounded like they were coming directly behind from where I was standing." (When asked to point out the location on an aerial photograph of the plaza) "In my opinion, the sounds of the shots sounded as if they had come from directly behind me (indicating). I was standing near this light standard here, and I thought the shots were coming from back here, and apparently everybody else did because they all ran in that direction." (When asked to point it out on a mock up of the plaza) "(Indicating) From back in this direction here directly behind me. At the time -- you want me to mention the third shot?" (When asked to describe the shooting in more detail) “My wife and myself were watching the parade come toward us. We had to more or less step off the curb to look up the street, and as the car was approaching I heard two shots -- BOOM, BOOM -- and when the first shot was fired the President throwed his hands up like this (demonstrating), and at the time what we thought had happened, somebody throwed firecrackers or something under the automobile and he was protecting his face. At the time of the first shot Governor Connally turned in his seat in this manner (demonstrating), to look back at the President I suppose, and then the second shot was fired, and then as the car approached us to where we were standing, I could see Governor Connally leaning back in his seat holding his hands down like this (demonstrating), and at that time I could see blood on his shirt, and that is when I actually realized that it appeared, you know, he had been shot. The President all the time was staying in an upright position in his seat and it looked like he was looking into the crowd of people as if he was trying to see someone. I caught a glimpse of his eyes, just looked like a cold stare, he just looked through me, and then when the car was directly in front of me, well, that is when the third shot was fired and it hit him in the side of the head right above the ear and his ear come off… I observed his ear flying off, and he turned just real white and then blood red, and the President, when the third shot hit him he just went stiff like a board and fell over to his left in his wife's lap, and I told my wife, "That is it, hit the ground," and that is when we hit the ground because I thought the shots were coming over our heads. And then I looked back and I saw Mrs. Kennedy jumping up on the back end of the car and the Secret Service man or whoever it was into the car, and then they shot on off, took off." (When asked how far he'd been from Kennedy at the time of the fatal shot) ”I was the width of one lane, approximately 10 or 15 feet. I was standing on the curb's edge, edge of the curb. They were in the second lane." (When asked Kennedy's reaction to the shot) "The only reaction that I can recall -- I don't recall whether his head went back or forward, but I do recall when the impact hit him that he just stiffened and he went to the left, real hard to the left and into her lap, and... He went away from me." (snippet from a 1969-1971 interview with Gil Toff, as presented on a 2013 YouTube video in which Toff asks for money in exchange for his releasing his interview tapes) (On Connally, presumably) "Yeah, he had blood on his shirt when he got up to us. You could see it." (The Kennedy Assassination Tapes, 1979) Civilian L “When the President’s car came around the corner, I had a good view from about 150 feet. About that time I heard two loud sounds about three seconds apart. I didn’t associate them with gunshots… They seemed more like firecrackers. However, I did notice a change in President Kennedy, his arm went up and he seemed to stiffen. Just after the two sounds…the limousine stopped for an instant, a large man in the right front seat picked up what looked to be a telephone, and then the car shot forward again. Some of the agents on the following car got off…From a distance of 12-to 15 feet…we saw the bullet hit the President from the right rear and literally tear away the side of his scalp and right ear…Thinking about it afterwards, I had the impression that they had been fired from behind us. I noticed Mr. Zapruder with his camera and thought it was a gun. My impression was only “behind us,” not from the stockade fence. I am certain no shot was fired from there.” (7-23-86 testimony in televised mock trial, On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald) "As the President's car come towards us, probably 200 feet or so from us, we heard a Boom (one second pause) Boom, like that. The President sorta throwed his arms up, and we thought at that time maybe someone had throwed firecrackers or something beside the President's car. As the President's car came closer to us, we could see that something was wrong. Governor Connally, I could see the blood on his shirt, and Governor Connally's eyes protruding. And the President was looking into the crowd of people. He was moving his head about and looking into the crowd of the people. And just as the President's car got directly in front of me, the President was probably fifteen feet away, Boom, and the side of his ear flew off, and justa, bits and pieces flew off. I can remember seeing just a white flash, and then the red, and the President fell across the car, as if you'd hit him with a bat. He fell across the car, and back, into Mrs. Kennedy's lap. I remember her saying 'Oh my God! They've shot Jack!'...Mrs. Kennedy...At that time I turned to Gayle and I said 'That's it! Hit the ground! We hit the ground because we thought we were in direct line of fire. (When asked where he thought the shots were coming from) Sir, I thought the shots were coming from directly behind. (When asked to mark on the map where he thought the shots came from) It would be somewhere back in this general area. (He then makes a large mark across the southern side of the Elm Street extension back behind the eastern half of the arcade, to the West of the School Book Depository). (When asked by Bugliosi if he thought the shot that hit Kennedy in the head was the last shot) "Yes sir, I do." (11-13-86 article on the Newman family in the Dallas Times-Herald) "The motorcade was about 150 feet away when the first two shots rang out, Newman says. 'It was a Boom! Boom! just like that. At the time I thought someone had thrown some firecrackers beside the car. As the car got closer to us. we could see something was wrong. We could see Gov. Connally with the President, looking into the crowd with a bewildered look on his face. Just a few seconds passed--I can't tell you the exact time frame--and the car came toward us and the President was directly in front of me. We were there on the curb. He was the width of one lane from us. That was when the third shot was fired. I turned to Gayle and said 'That's it. Hit the ground!' They huddled the children under them as they lay on the grass. They were too close to the car not to have seen the grisly scene. Gayle remembers Billy saying 'Look at all that blood! Why would they do that?'" (Interview in The Men Who Killed Kennedy, broadcast 1988) “I can remember seeing the side of the President’s ear and head come off. I remember a flash of white and red and just bits and pieces of flesh exploding from the President’s head. At that time, I turned to Gayle and said “That’s it, hit the ground.” And we turned and hit the ground and covered our children. When the third shot was fired I thought it came from directly behind, towards the grassy knoll behind me. I base that primarily on the third shot, from what I saw, the sight of the President’s head coming off, and from the sound of the rifle, the report of the rifle” Edited June 16 by Pat Speer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Koch Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 53 minutes ago, Pat Speer said: Both Newmans have specified many many times that they saw an explosion from the temple or side of the head by the ear--exactly what is shown in the Zapruder film. The Newmans have stated they believe the shot came from the fence which means the opposite of what you are trying to do here with selective quotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 39 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said: The Newmans have stated they believe the shot came from the fence which means the opposite of what you are trying to do here with selective quotes. Selective quotes? What the heck are you talking about it? As far as the Newmans, you are 100% incorrect. As shown in the quotes...Bill thought the shots came from behind him--the arcade area. He specified many times that he didn't hear a shot from his right--the picket fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now