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To those with familiarity with the Timeline of events of November 22-24 1963, there are numerous events which have yet to be fully resolved, [who, if anyone provided the motivation for Jack Ruby to decide to kill Lee Harvey Oswald? to cite just one] One puzzling event has been solved concerning the mysterious 'agent' who attempted to enter Trauma Room 1 where Jacqueline Kennedy, JFK and a team of Parkland doctors were located, with Secret Service Agents manning the area outside, who had to 'forcibly restrain him from entering,'

Not only has there been a [not]surprising lack of attention given to this individual by all the subsequent investigations, but in the same process this lack of attention has enabled the investigators to be relieved of the burden of 'attempting' to explain his motivation for doing so.

Does anyone know who this person was.

A clue: He was an FBI Agent associated with the New Orleans office, and he was also reported by Orest Pena to have been seen with Lee Harvey Oswald on several occasions.

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To those with familiarity with the Timeline of events of November 22-24 1963, there are numerous events which have yet to be fully resolved, [who, if anyone provided the motivation for Jack Ruby to decide to kill Lee Harvey Oswald? to cite just one] One puzzling event has been solved concerning the mysterious 'agent' who attempted to enter Trauma Room 1 where Jacqueline Kennedy, JFK and a team of Parkland doctors were located, with Secret Service Agents manning the area outside, who had to 'forcibly restrain him from entering,'

Not only has there been a [not]surprising lack of attention given to this individual by all the subsequent investigations, but in the same process this lack of attention has enabled the investigators to be relieved of the burden of 'attempting' to explain his motivation for doing so.

Does anyone know who this person was.

A clue: He was an FBI Agent associated with the New Orleans office, and he was also reported by Orest Pena to have been seen with Lee Harvey Oswald on several occasions.

Warren DeBrueys?

James

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FBI, Dallas Field Agent

John Doyle Williams,

WILLIAMS, John Doyle

Birth: 9 MAR 1917 Italy, Ellis Co., TX

Death: 20 MAY 1994 Houston, Harris Co., TX

Gender: Male

Parents:

Father: WILLIAMS, Russell Sterling Sr.

Mother: CANNON, Pearl

Children:

WILLIAMS, Jimmy Wayne

Gender: Male

WILLIAMS, John Michael

Gender: Male

WILLIAMS, Gary

Gender: Male

One of J. Doyle Williams' sons could confirm that their father indeed was the Agent involved in the scuffle at Parkland....

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One of J. Doyle Williams' sons could confirm that their father indeed was the Agent involved in the scuffle at Parkland....

Fetzer's Murder in Dealey Plaza, Catfeet press, Chicago, 2000, p70:

FBI SAC J. Gordon Shanklin orders SA J. Doyle Williams to go to Parkland Hospital, locate the SS agent in charge, and inform him that Hoover has ordered all bureau resources to be at the ready to assist. Williams speeds to the hospital, finds Roy Kellerman and relays message. He then offers J. Edgar Hoover's condolences to Mrs. Kennedy. He then asks one of the nurses to help him find a telephone so that he can report to his superiors. When he returns from making this telephone call, reports of what happens next are confusing. Williams testifies that he is grabbed from behind by two SS agents and wrestled to the hall floor. Roy Kellerman steps in and asks Williams to leave. He does so and returns to the FBI office.

NOTE: Hoover will eventually demote Williams for this incident.

We have multiple accounts of what transpired here. And they seem to differ in small degrees, one from another - but it still seems like we are missing something. Was he hit, or wrestled to the ground? Is it Doyle Williams, or Warren Debrueys? Why would Williams be demoted by Hoover for this incident?

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It is unclear to me, at least just now, that it is 100% Williams...but even if it is...there are questions as to why the SS men would act that way, why he would feel he need enter the room without some discussion with those guarding it and showing ID etc...and why Hoover would demote him and why he would leave so easily, if in fact he did. Of course, Hoover's hands [and thus the FBI] were not clean in the whole matter, likely not some in SS either...though that's less certain....it still seems like more than just frayed nerves and unclear chain of command....and like so many events still not completely clear after all these years!!!

The official record indicates that it was Williams, my mistake and a big one. Apologies. DeBruey's, according to his testimony indicated he did not arrive in Dallas until Saturday morning.

See:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=119

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=120

Sorry everybody.

Edited by Robert Howard
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Before he died a few years ago, Doyle Williams lived in my neighborhood.

(In reconstruction photos, he is the grey-haired agent sitting in the jump seat).

In retirement, he lived about four blocks from my house.

He knew I was a researcher, and once at a neighborhood meeting, he indicated

to me that he was not involved in the Dallas event (I knew better). He told me

that his assignment in the FBI was DACTYLOGRAPHER (assuming I did not

know what that meant). So I asked had he studied the fingerprints of Oswald

and what he learned. He sort of clammed up when I asked about fingerprints.

Jim Marrs once invited him to appear before the UTA advanced study class,

where as Jim has recounted here, he cut short his "fingerprint lecture" when

the student researchers started asking him tough questions.

I had never heard of Hoover "demoting him". He seemed a Hoover loyalist

and firm supporter of the WCR.

Jack

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Before he died a few years ago, Doyle Williams lived in my neighborhood.

(In reconstruction photos, he is the grey-haired agent sitting in the jump seat).

In retirement, he lived about four blocks from my house.

He knew I was a researcher, and once at a neighborhood meeting, he indicated

to me that he was not involved in the Dallas event (I knew better). He told me

that his assignment in the FBI was DACTYLOGRAPHER (assuming I did not

know what that meant). So I asked had he studied the fingerprints of Oswald

and what he learned. He sort of clammed up when I asked about fingerprints.

Jim Marrs once invited him to appear before the UTA advanced study class,

where as Jim has recounted here, he cut short his "fingerprint lecture" when

the student researchers started asking him tough questions.

I had never heard of Hoover "demoting him". He seemed a Hoover loyalist

and firm supporter of the WCR.

Jack

Not much on Doyle at NARA. If he broke his jaw, looks like he was able to continue working the next day. Interesting - 2 hits for a suspect named Gregory Ridell - one via a report from Williams. 1 reports with Hosty as the subject. Some earlier stuff on the Teamsters, Pension scam, insurance scams, etc.

AGENCY : FBI

RECORD NUMBER : 124-10058-10196

RECORDS SERIES : DL

AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 89-43-2661

DOCUMENT INFORMATION

ORIGINATOR : FBI

FROM : SAC, DL

TO : [No To]

TITLE : [No Title]

DATE : 11/23/1963

PAGES : 2

DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

SUBJECTS : JFK, SUSPECT, GREGORY, RIDELL

CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : OPEN

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 10/26/1992

COMMENTS : DATE PARAGRAPH TWO

ORIGINATOR : FBI

FROM : WILLIAMS, J. DOYLE

TO : SAC, DL

TITLE : [No Title]

DATE : 11/23/1963

PAGES : 2

DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

SUBJECTS : JFK, SUSP, GREGORY, RIDELL

CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : OPEN

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 10/26/1992

If he's a Dactylographer, would that apply to why he was there at Parkland? This one is unclassified - is Hoover trying to figure out something here?

AGENCY : FBI

RECORD NUMBER : 124-10233-10203

RECORDS SERIES : DL

AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 89-43-342

DOCUMENT INFORMATION

ORIGINATOR : FBI

FROM : WILLIAMS, J. DOYLE

TO : SAC, DL

TITLE : [No Title]

DATE : 11/23/1963

PAGES : 2

DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

SUBJECTS : LHO, POST-RP, DESCRIPTION AND IDENT, OPINION

CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : OPEN

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 10/26/1992

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Before he died a few years ago, Doyle Williams lived in my neighborhood.

(In reconstruction photos, he is the grey-haired agent sitting in the jump seat).

In retirement, he lived about four blocks from my house.

He knew I was a researcher, and once at a neighborhood meeting, he indicated

to me that he was not involved in the Dallas event (I knew better). He told me

that his assignment in the FBI was DACTYLOGRAPHER (assuming I did not

know what that meant). So I asked had he studied the fingerprints of Oswald

and what he learned. He sort of clammed up when I asked about fingerprints.

Jim Marrs once invited him to appear before the UTA advanced study class,

where as Jim has recounted here, he cut short his "fingerprint lecture" when

the student researchers started asking him tough questions.

I had never heard of Hoover "demoting him". He seemed a Hoover loyalist

and firm supporter of the WCR.

Jack

Not much on Doyle at NARA. If he broke his jaw, looks like he was able to continue working the next day. Interesting - 2 hits for a suspect named Gregory Ridell - one via a report from Williams. 1 reports with Hosty as the subject. Some earlier stuff on the Teamsters, Pension scam, insurance scams, etc.

AGENCY : FBI

RECORD NUMBER : 124-10058-10196

RECORDS SERIES : DL

AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 89-43-2661

DOCUMENT INFORMATION

ORIGINATOR : FBI

FROM : SAC, DL

TO : [No To]

TITLE : [No Title]

DATE : 11/23/1963

PAGES : 2

DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

SUBJECTS : JFK, SUSPECT, GREGORY, RIDELL

CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : OPEN

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 10/26/1992

COMMENTS : DATE PARAGRAPH TWO

ORIGINATOR : FBI

FROM : WILLIAMS, J. DOYLE

TO : SAC, DL

TITLE : [No Title]

DATE : 11/23/1963

PAGES : 2

DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

SUBJECTS : JFK, SUSP, GREGORY, RIDELL

CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : OPEN

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 10/26/1992

If he's a Dactylographer, would that apply to why he was there at Parkland? This one is unclassified - is Hoover trying to figure out something here?

AGENCY : FBI

RECORD NUMBER : 124-10233-10203

RECORDS SERIES : DL

AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 89-43-342

DOCUMENT INFORMATION

ORIGINATOR : FBI

FROM : WILLIAMS, J. DOYLE

TO : SAC, DL

TITLE : [No Title]

DATE : 11/23/1963

PAGES : 2

DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

SUBJECTS : LHO, POST-RP, DESCRIPTION AND IDENT, OPINION

CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : OPEN

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 10/26/1992

I wanted to thank Lee Forman for all the excellent information that he provided, from the link he posted in his thread, Even though there are [the proverbial 'something rotten in Denmark'] inconsistentcies re statements made by the parties involved.

I would like to add something that I hope everyone noticed re info on this thread. DeBrueys and Hosty were the most knowledgeable agents concerning Oswald so naturally they need to be assigned to the Jack Ruby part of the initial investigation. [That's investigating a crime?] I realize this is off the track as far as this thread goes, but I still wanted to point that out.

Also both Crenshaw and his book were villified by the media as being opportunist drivel, [sound familiar] considering his recollection of the event in question, makes me want to admonish Forum members that 'sometimes when attacks are made on people's character, it can be more enlightening to study the person hurling the invectives, it is a good way to know who is reliable and who is full of crap.

Thanks for the info and comments Lee Forman, Jack White.

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