John Dolva Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 I was strongly suspecting a Holmes - DCC connection, and there indeed seems to be one, and not an insignificant one at that.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 .... "Is there any way we can find out more about this?" http://www.sherrigreen.com/Bullet.htm Those who pulled the strings in Dallas belonged to the Citizens Council, a group of businessmen with the authority to commit their company’s resources to various projects. When the Citizens Council needed PR help, they turned to Sam Bloom of the Bloom Advertising Agency. Helen Holmes directed the agency’s PR division in 1963. In the three weeks prior to Kennedy’s trip, Holmes tried to convince Dallas citizens to put aside politics and embrace the president. A string of leaders issued statements encouraging tolerance and warmth. Sheriff William Decker was featured last, stressing that civil unrest would be dealt with sternly. Back at the Trade Mart, where more than 2,500 Dallasites had expected to lunch with the Kennedys, Citizens Council president Erik Jonsson and leaders of other host organizations drafted an empathetic statement that Holmes hand delivered to the local media. For days, weeks, even years, city leaders pondered how to salvage Dallas ’ image. Tom, we got a small problem here....the woman who directed the Bloom Agency PR division is described as being alive ten years after Harry Holmes wife, Helen had died. Now, this could be the Holmes's daughter, Helen Joyce, but she became Mrs. Harvey at some point. Maybe Gary Mack can PM one of us as to whether this person is any relation to Harry Holmes. I have not watched this video of Helen Holmes yet.: http://www.jfk.org/go/collections/item-detail?fedoraid=1993.011.0010Videotaped oral history interview with Helen Holmes -- Mrs. Holmes was Public Relations Director at the Sam Bloom Agency and coordinated media coverage for both President Kennedy's visit to Dallas and the Jack Ruby trial. Mrs. Holmes recorded a videotaped oral history interview on 5/3/1993, and she also participated in a videotaped panel discussion at The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza on 3/14/2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 ...Tom, we got a small problem here....the woman who directed the Bloom Agency PR division is described as being alive ten years after Harry Holmes wife, Helen had died. Now, this could be the Holmes's daughter, Helen Joyce, but she became Mrs. Harvey at some point. Maybe Gary Mack can PM one of us as to whether this person is any relation to Harry Holmes. I have not watched this video of Helen Holmes yet.: http://www.jfk.org/go/collections/item-detail?fedoraid=1993.011.0010...Mrs. Holmes recorded a videotaped oral history interview on 5/3/1993, and she also participated in a videotaped panel discussion at The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza on 3/14/2004. Okay, Gary Mack spotted this thread and sent this info to me.: Helen Holmes of the Bloom Agency is the wife of: Bert Holmes,Longtime editor for the Dallas Times Herald, Holmes wrote community affairs columns from the 1960s until the 1990s. Recorded August 3, 1993. http://jfk.org/go/collections/oral-histories/interviews-by-name?letter=H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 ...Tom, we got a small problem here....the woman who directed the Bloom Agency PR division is described as being alive ten years after Harry Holmes wife, Helen had died. Now, this could be the Holmes's daughter, Helen Joyce, but she became Mrs. Harvey at some point. Maybe Gary Mack can PM one of us as to whether this person is any relation to Harry Holmes. I have not watched this video of Helen Holmes yet.: http://www.jfk.org/g...d=1993.011.0010...Mrs. Holmes recorded a videotaped oral history interview on 5/3/1993, and she also participated in a videotaped panel discussion at The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza on 3/14/2004. Okay, Gary Mack spotted this thread and sent this info to me.: Helen Holmes of the Bloom Agency is the wife of: Bert Holmes,Longtime editor for the Dallas Times Herald, Holmes wrote community affairs columns from the 1960s until the 1990s. Recorded August 3, 1993. http://jfk.org/go/co...y-name?letter=H Paper: Dallas Morning News, The (TX) Deceased: Helen Holmes, pianist and teacher, to be buried today Date: August 8, 1994 If you've heard a church pianist lately, there's a good chance he or she was taught by Helen Grace Banta Holmes. It's a legacy to be remembered Monday when Mrs. Holmes is buried at Grove Hill Cemetery in Dallas. The 86-year-old pianist and piano teacher died of cancer Saturday at Christian Care Nursing Home. The graveside services will be at 2 p.m. "She really had star pupils, and I think that was what she was so proud of - her students," said Mrs. Holmes' daughter, Helen Joyce Harvey of Garland. Mrs. Holmes received her training and a degree in music from Warnsburg College in Warnsburg, Mo., graduating in the late 1920s. After college, Mrs. Holmes began teaching senior English at a high school in Kansas City, Mo. Family lore has it that Mrs. Holmes' first teaching experience was not entirely pleasant. Because she wasn't much older than her students, she was accused of dating some of them, Mrs. Harvey said, though the rumors were untrue. If her students were enamored with their teacher, you could hardly blame them. Mrs. Holmes was named Miss Kansas City in 1925. After a year of teaching, Mrs. Holmes decided that was not the occupation she wanted to pursue. Instead, she opted to become a homemaker and a church pianist. "Everything revolved around her church," said her son-in-law, Jim Harvey. "That's where she wanted to be." Mrs. Holmes played at churches in the Kansas City area before moving to Dallas in 1947. For the next 30 years, Mrs. Holmes was the pianist for East Grand Baptist Church, in addition to giving piano lessons out of her home. "She loved it. Music was her life," Mr. Harvey said. During the mid-1950s, Mrs. Holmes also played piano for Questions that Count, a Christian trivia program that aired on Channel 4, then known as KRLD-TV. Mrs. Holmes played during the trivia questions, which usually concerned the Bible. She also sometimes played a piece while contestants guessed the title. During her years with the television program, Mrs. Holmes proved that even experienced pianists can get nervous. "She said her hands shook so bad she could hardly could keep her fingers on the keys," Mrs. Harvey said. In addition to her daughter, Mrs. Holmes is survived by her sons, Richard Lee Homes of Arlington and Robert D. Holmes of Garland; six grandchildren and two great-grandchildren. Author: Jody Sowell Section: NEWS Page: 17A © Copyright, 1994, The Dallas Morning News More later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) Interesting, Robert...I assume you did not acquire the entire text of Helen Grace Banta's obituary online without paying a fee? Is the text of Harry's obituary also available from your source? It seems hard (impossible ?) to come by. By the way, who was her husband, her obituary does not contain that information? I am joking....just another oddity to be ignored by the incurious WC report adherents. Shouldn't Helen's family have been proud to include the name of their father in their mother's obituary? Edited November 2, 2010 by Tom Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 Interesting, Robert...I assume you did not acquire the entire text of Helen Grace Banta's obituary online without paying a fee? Is the text of Harry's obituary also available from your source? It seems hard (impossible ?) to come by. By the way, who was her husband, her obituary does not contain that information? I am joking....just another oddity to be ignored by the incurious WC report adherents. Shouldn't Helen's family have been proud to include the name of their father in their mother's obituary? Actually, I find it on find-a-grave, if I am not mistaken. I've had it for awhile, but I have so many files, sometimes it takes me awhile to locate an item. But there was no fee, wherever I obtained it. Regarding the walking trip, the location is closer to Garland than where I live; But I will do it, I just have a lot of irons in the fire right now..... One of the reasons I subtitled this thread "and the Terminal Annex Building," is that there was an employee there who seems to have been involved in the phony Oswald impersonations. 1.FERRELL, DUDLEY LEE Sources: CE 2999; CD 6, pp. 321-323; CD 7, pp. 543-545 Mary's Comments: White male. DOB: 5/25/25. POB: Shreveport, LA. Ferrell bears a marked resemblance to LHO. Supervisor of Mails at Main Post Office, Dallas. His mother, Mary Elizabeth Ferrell, 12210 Brookmeadow, Dallas, died Sat, June 24, 1978. Also See LHM To Rankin From Hoover dated 3/24/64 Re Robert Ahler, Dudley Lee Ferrell FBI 62-109090 Warren Commission HQ File, Section 7 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=147 Dudley Lee Ferrell, Robert Ahler, Lee Hariss and Larry Laverne Crafard, all, according to the Warren Commission bore a resemblance to Oswald CD 6 page 321 RE:Dudley Lee Ferrell On December 2, 1963 Chester Pehl Service Manager Bock Ford Motor Co., New Braunfels. The day someone thought to be Oswald came there, Pehl checked his records and recognized all persons were customers known to him except one D. L. Farrell http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10407&relPageId=320 http://myfox8.tributes.com/show/Dudley-Ferrell-83948327 FERRELL, DUDLEY LEE Born May 25, 1925 in Shreveport, LA and passed away August 4, 2008 in Dallas, TX. Preceded in death by his 1st wife, Bonnie. Survived by his wife of 18 years, Loyce; daughters, Connie Odle and husband Lloyd, Beverly Langford and husband Mike; sons, Guy B. Ferrell, Larry Burgess and wife Dixie; grandchildren, Lacresha, Erin, Elizabeth, Andrea, Ashley, Anthony, Amity, Michelle, Meredith, Justin, Shelby, Spencer, Christina, Courtney, Caitlyn; and great grandchildren, Grayson, Caitlyn, Irelynd, Chalmer, Oliver, Sequoia, and Olivia. Visitation will be from 6-8pm, Tuesday, August 5, 2008 at Restland Funeral Home. Service will be held 3:30pm, Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at Restland Memorial Chapel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Alright, Robert, when you get time to visit Grove Hill Cemetery it will be interesting to see if Harry's grave is located next to his wife, Helen's. Did Hoover comply with the request described on the first page of this document? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22dudley+lee+ferrell%22+six+photographs&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=CX4-FKsfQTLb0K43MhQSm49E_AAAAqgQFT9A4zxAMEM ORANDü .M TO: FROM: Ail Staff Members Mr. Burt W. Griff in line upper lip. Mr. J. Edgar Hoover is being requested to provide six copies of appropriate photographs of Karris, Ahler, Crafard and Ferrell, together ... Are six copies of a period photo of Dudley Lee Ferrell, along with a compilation of his activities between September and November, 1963, in the archive of WC evidence and exhibits? Also, the description of Dudley in the Burt W. Griffin memorandum had his age as 28. He was 38 years old in 1963. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H. Purvis Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 .... "Is there any way we can find out more about this?" http://www.sherrigreen.com/Bullet.htm Those who pulled the strings in Dallas belonged to the Citizens Council, a group of businessmen with the authority to commit their company’s resources to various projects. When the Citizens Council needed PR help, they turned to Sam Bloom of the Bloom Advertising Agency. Helen Holmes directed the agency’s PR division in 1963. In the three weeks prior to Kennedy’s trip, Holmes tried to convince Dallas citizens to put aside politics and embrace the president. A string of leaders issued statements encouraging tolerance and warmth. Sheriff William Decker was featured last, stressing that civil unrest would be dealt with sternly. Back at the Trade Mart, where more than 2,500 Dallasites had expected to lunch with the Kennedys, Citizens Council president Erik Jonsson and leaders of other host organizations drafted an empathetic statement that Holmes hand delivered to the local media. For days, weeks, even years, city leaders pondered how to salvage Dallas ’ image. Tom, we got a small problem here....the woman who directed the Bloom Agency PR division is described as being alive ten years after Harry Holmes wife, Helen had died. Now, this could be the Holmes's daughter, Helen Joyce, but she became Mrs. Harvey at some point. Maybe Gary Mack can PM one of us as to whether this person is any relation to Harry Holmes. I have not watched this video of Helen Holmes yet.: http://www.jfk.org/go/collections/item-detail?fedoraid=1993.011.0010Videotaped oral history interview with Helen Holmes -- Mrs. Holmes was Public Relations Director at the Sam Bloom Agency and coordinated media coverage for both President Kennedy's visit to Dallas and the Jack Ruby trial. Mrs. Holmes recorded a videotaped oral history interview on 5/3/1993, and she also participated in a videotaped panel discussion at The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza on 3/14/2004. "Tom, we got a small problem here....the woman who directed the Bloom Agency PR division is described as being alive ten years after Harry Holmes wife, Helen had died." http://rootsweb.ancestry.com/~oklogan/lineage/fdale.htm By Helen F. Holmes ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://www.okcemeteries.net/logan/lnorth/lnorth.htm HOLMES Helen L. 12-16-1915 03-22-1997 Maj. USA - Wife of Robert F. Author of the Logan County History See photo HOLMES Robert F. 04-10-1912 10-27-1962 SSgt BATRY B, 808FA WW II BSM See photo ============================================ Since I personally knew this "Helen F. Holmes/aka Helen L. Holmes" from Oklahoma, it was a mere speculative posting in regards to the Helen Holmes of the Bloom Agency. And although the Helen Holmes of the Bloom Agency (or at least her knowledge and records) are of significance, the following portion of the posting is of far more significance: "In the three weeks prior to Kennedy’s trip, Holmes tried to convince Dallas citizens to put aside politics and embrace the president" Just might be of interest as to exactly how long before 11/33/63 the Bloom Agency knew of the exact day/date that JFK would be in Dallas. Often amazing as to exactly how easily "secrets" leak out. "When the Citizens Council needed PR help, they turned to Sam Bloom of the Bloom Advertising Agency." "Citizens Council president Erik Jonsson and leaders of other host organizations drafted an empathetic statement that Holmes hand delivered to the local media" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ GEOMARINE SERVICE INTERNATIONAL INC. Business Corporation (Non-Louisiana) FLEMINGTON Inactive Business: GEOMARINE SERVICE INTERNATIONAL INC. Charter Number: 22600470 F Registration Date: 4/6/1954 Domicile Address BOROUGH FLEMINGTON, NJ 08822 Mailing Address 5900 LEMMON AV DALLAS, TX 75209 Principal Business Office 5900 LEMMON AV DALLAS, TX 75209 Registered Office in Louisiana 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112 Principal Business Establishment in Louisiana Status Status: Inactive Inactive Reason: WITHDREW Qualified: 4/6/1954 Last Report Filed: N/A Type: Business Corporation (Non-Louisiana) Registered Agent(s) Agent: CHARLES E. DUNBAR, JR. Address 1: 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112 Appointment Date: 4/6/1954 Agent: SUMTER D. MARKS, JR. Address 1: 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112 Appointment Date: 4/6/1954 Agent: LOUIS B. CLAVERIE Address 1: 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112 Appointment Date: 4/6/1954 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://www.mssu.edu/seg-vm/1950.html Headquarters for GSI's offshore exploration division, Geomarine Service International, moved from Dallas to New Orleans .. http://www.mssu.edu/seg-vm/bio_erik_jonsson.html Certificate No. 1 of TXN (symbol for Texas Instruments at the New York Stock Exchange) is the property of J. Erik Jonsson and has been since October 1, 1953, when trading began in TI common. TI - chartered in 1930 as Geophysical Service Inc., and renamed in 1950, when wholly owned GSI subsidiaries were formed - would have never appeared on the ticker tapes had it not been for Jonsson's fundamental decision to involve GSI in military electronics. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://www.mssu.edu/seg-vm/bio_eugene_mcdermott.html Karcher found increasing interest in petroleum development during the mid-thirties, and McDermott became president of GSI. The company was then completely reorganized in late 1941 with Eugene McDermott, H. B. Peacock, J. E. Jonsson, and Cecil Green as co-directors +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ VIGILANCE INCORPORATED Non-Profit Corporation or Co-op (Non-Louisiana) WILMINGTON Inactive Business: VIGILANCE INCORPORATED Charter Number: 02100760 X Registration Date: 3/16/1951 Domicile Address 100 W 10TH ST WILMINGTON, DE 19801 Mailing Address 100 W 10TH ST WILMINGTON, DE 19801 Principal Business Office 100 W 10TH ST WILMINGTON, DE 19801 Registered Office in Louisiana Principal Business Establishment in Louisiana Status Status: Inactive Inactive Reason: Action by Secretary of State Qualified: 3/16/1951 Last Report Filed: N/A Type: Non-Profit Corporation or Co-op (Non-Louisiana) Registered Agent(s) Agent: CHARLES E. DUNBAR, JR. Address 1: 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112 Appointment Date: 3/16/1951 Agent: SUMTER D. MARKS, JR. Address 1: 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112 Appointment Date: 3/16/1951 Agent: LOUIS B. CLAVERIE Address 1: 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112 Appointment Date: 3/16/1951 ================================================================================================ FOR AMERICA Non-Profit Corporation or Co-op (Non-Louisiana) CHICAGO Inactive Business: FOR AMERICA Charter Number: 02402640 X Registration Date: 7/14/1954 Domicile Address 208 S LASALLE ST CHICAGO, IL 60604 Mailing Address 208 S LASALLE ST CHICAGO, IL 60604 Principal Business Office 208 S LASALLE ST CHICAGO, IL 60604 Registered Office in Louisiana Principal Business Establishment in Louisiana Status Status: Inactive Inactive Reason: Action by Secretary of State Qualified: 7/14/1954 Last Report Filed: N/A Type: Non-Profit Corporation or Co-op (Non-Louisiana) Registered Agent(s) Agent: CHARLES E. DUNBAR, JR. Address 1: 321 ST. CHARLES City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70130 Appointment Date: 7/14/1954 Agent: SUMTER D. MARKS, JR. Address 1: 321 ST CHARLES City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70130 Appointment Date: 7/14/1954 Agent: LOUIS B. CLAVERIE Address 1: 321 ST. CHARLES City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70130 Appointment Date: 7/14/1954 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sometimes, the trees often block one's view of the forest! Anyone recall this? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ DOLLY SHOE CO., INC. Business Corporation NEW ORLEANS Inactive Business: DOLLY SHOE CO., INC. Charter Number: 22902190 D Registration Date: 1/24/1955 Domicile Address ' NEW ORLEANS, LA 70150 Mailing Address ' NEW ORLEANS, LA 70150 Status Status: Inactive Inactive Reason: Action by Secretary of State File Date: 1/24/1955 Last Report Filed: N/A Type: Business Corporation =============================================================================================================== GREEN WAVE CLUB Non-Profit Corporation NEW ORLEANS Inactive Business: GREEN WAVE CLUB Charter Number: 03606160 N Registration Date: 9/27/1966 Domicile Address 308 CAMP ST. NEW ORLEANS, LA 70115 Mailing Address 308 CAMP ST. NEW ORLEANS, LA 70115 Status Status: Inactive Inactive Reason: Action by Secretary of State File Date: 9/27/1966 Last Report Filed: N/A Type: Non-Profit Corporation Registered Agent(s) Agent: CHARLES DUNBAR Address 1: HIBERNIA BLDG. City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112 Appointment Date: 9/27/1966 Agent: CHARLES ROSEN, II. Address 1: 22K BARONNE ST. ======================================================== CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL ASSOCIATION Non-Profit Corporation NEW ORLEANS Inactive Business: CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL ASSOCIATION Charter Number: 03007040 N Registration Date: 12/22/1960 Domicile Address 909 NATL BK OF COMM. NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112 Mailing Address 909 NATL BK OF COMM. NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112 Status Status: Inactive Inactive Reason: Action by Secretary of State File Date: 12/22/1960 Last Report Filed: N/A Type: Non-Profit Corporation Registered Agent(s) Agent: FERNAND F. WILLOZ III Address 1: 1214 BOURBON ST City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70116 Appointment Date: 12/22/1960 Agent: HUBERT BADEAUX Address 1: 8241 HICKORY ST City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70118 Appointment Date: 12/22/1960 Agent: FELIX H. LAPEYRE Address 1: 2207 STATE ST City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70118 Appointment Date: 12/22/1960 ========================================================== THE POLITICAL LEAGUE Non-Profit Corporation NEW ORLEANS Inactive Business: THE POLITICAL LEAGUE Charter Number: 03300690 N Registration Date: 2/4/1963 Domicile Address 710 PERE MARQUETTE NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112 Mailing Address 710 PERE MARQUETTE NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112 Status Status: Inactive Inactive Reason: Action by Secretary of State File Date: 2/4/1963 Last Report Filed: N/A Type: Non-Profit Corporation Registered Agent(s) Agent: HUBERT J. BADEAUX Address 1: 8241 HICKORY ST City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70118 Appointment Date: 2/4/1963 Agent: F. D. V. DE LA BARRE Address 1: 4122 PITT ST City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70115 Appointment Date: 2/4/1963 Registered Agent(s) Agent: CHARLES ROSEN II Address 1: 1801 HIBERNIA BK BD. City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112 Appointment Date: 1/24/1955 Agent: FELIX H. LAPEYRE Address 1: 1801 HIBERNIA BK BD. City, State, Zip: NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112 Appointment Date: 1/24/1955 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://www.jfk-online.com/jpsgatguat.html After leaving the FBI offices, BARRIOS and GATLIN met with a Mr. DUNBAR, who occasionally represents the United Fruit Co. in New Orleans. They asked for one million dollars from the United Fruit Co., in support of BARRIOS' intended revolutionary movement in Guatemala, but they were unsuccessful in obtaining any commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Meyer Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 May be Harry Holmes (any confirmation?) at bottom right of Cancellare photo #4, talking with Mary Moorman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 (edited) Yep, I've been wondering about that one for a few years. (I was going to post a larger crop and name it 'is that a gun in your pocket...' but my sence of decency prevailed). So someone else thinks the same without any prompting. That's interesting. There's also an indication of one photo having been cropped that by the precence of the MC indicates it may have captured HDH walking to the scene from across from the terminal annexe. I think the persons that may be associated with the possible harrys, which seem to be suited, may be the ones who witnessed the assassination with HDH in his office. edit add: because Harry said one of his secretaries was about 30 feet from the head shot I'm interested to know the occupation of all women within about that range. edit typo Edited November 4, 2010 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Meyer Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 Yep, I've been wondering about that one for a few years. (I was going to post a larger crop and name it 'is that a gun in your pocket...' but my sence of decency prevailed). So someone else thinks the same without any prompting. That's interesting. Sorry, I make no claim to independent discovery. I'd been lurking here a while before joining. I couldn't find the original post here to link (IIRC, someone had been wondering if it was Zapruder in the photo), but I thought the possible appearance of Holmes in the Cancellere photo should be added to this thread. There's also an indication of one photo having been cropped that by the precence of the MC indicates it may have captured HDH walking to the scene from across from the terminal annexe. I think the persons that may be associated with the possible harrys, which seem to be suited, may be the ones who witnessed the assassination with HDH in his office. edit add: because Harry said one of his secretaries was about 30 feet from the head shot I'm interested to know the occupation of all women within about that range. Interesting. Has Holmes's secretary been identified? Ever interviewed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 Yep, I've been wondering about that one for a few years. (I was going to post a larger crop and name it 'is that a gun in your pocket...' but my sence of decency prevailed). So someone else thinks the same without any prompting. That's interesting. Sorry, I make no claim to independent discovery. I'd been lurking here a while before joining. I couldn't find the original post here to link (IIRC, someone had been wondering if it was Zapruder in the photo), but I thought the possible appearance of Holmes in the Cancellere photo should be added to this thread. There's also an indication of one photo having been cropped that by the precence of the MC indicates it may have captured HDH walking to the scene from across from the terminal annexe. I think the persons that may be associated with the possible harrys, which seem to be suited, may be the ones who witnessed the assassination with HDH in his office. edit add: because Harry said one of his secretaries was about 30 feet from the head shot I'm interested to know the occupation of all women within about that range. Interesting. Has Holmes's secretary been identified? Ever interviewed? David, no, not to my knowledge. Which, imo, is a bit strange. There wouldn't be many to choose from. It'd be interesting to know who the secretary was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted November 5, 2010 Author Share Posted November 5, 2010 Yep, I've been wondering about that one for a few years. (I was going to post a larger crop and name it 'is that a gun in your pocket...' but my sence of decency prevailed). So someone else thinks the same without any prompting. That's interesting. Sorry, I make no claim to independent discovery. I'd been lurking here a while before joining. I couldn't find the original post here to link (IIRC, someone had been wondering if it was Zapruder in the photo), but I thought the possible appearance of Holmes in the Cancellere photo should be added to this thread. There's also an indication of one photo having been cropped that by the precence of the MC indicates it may have captured HDH walking to the scene from across from the terminal annexe. I think the persons that may be associated with the possible harrys, which seem to be suited, may be the ones who witnessed the assassination with HDH in his office. edit add: because Harry said one of his secretaries was about 30 feet from the head shot I'm interested to know the occupation of all women within about that range. Interesting. Has Holmes's secretary been identified? Ever interviewed? David, no, not to my knowledge. Which, imo, is a bit strange. There wouldn't be many to choose from. It'd be interesting to know who the secretary was. Some of you may be aware of the interview of the Dallas Policeman, name escapes me, who stated that two of the first persons that entered the Sixth Floor on November 22, 1963 where with the Texas Game Management Agency. I discovered this, it was originally posted on the Texas Game Management Agency thread Commission Document 1283 - DPD "Dallas Police Department - General Orders" http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11678&relPageId=249 Apparently the City of Dallas had an arrangement with the Dallas County Rescue Service, at least in 1958. Kenneth M Holmes Sr birth May 14, 1922 death November 18, 1990 wife Norma Chupik Holmes birth May 26, 1924 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=30859841&PIpi=26657380 Wife: Norma Chupik Child: Kenneth M. Holmes, Jr. Grandchildren: Jason Curtiss Holmes and Kristine Alison Holmes As a boy, had a paper route where he delivered the Austin Statesmen newspaper to Gov. Myra "Ma" Ferguson; Dallas County Deputy Sheriff; 1957-1952 - Chief of Dallas Emergency Corp. (Dallas Rescue Service); State of Texas Deputy Game Warden; 3-term constable of Precinct 1, Bosque County, Texas; Owner of Dallas Burglar Alarm Co. Member of the IOOF 32nd Degree Mason Burial: Grove Hill Memorial Park Dallas Dallas County Texas, USA Plot: Odd Fellows (J-L) on first row across road from Garden Faith Created by: Freda Record added: Oct 25, 2008 Find A Grave Memorial# 30859841 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 Interesting, Robert. Some time ago when looking at Garland I came across an old subdivision plat that indicated a Holmes owned a number of lots in a block. I have wondered why HDH headed south when he did. Aparently the area he lived when young was suffering from a significant economic downturn. A distribution of Holmes enterng the US during the large scale migrations tended to head south and tended to be manual labourers. (I don't know if any of that is relevant but adding it to the accumulating info that may fit in somewhere.) ___________________ It's funny how when one focuses on one thing or perspective other stuff seems to blot out until one is faced with it again and again. I missed that, Robert, as well as Toms postings on the packing room. I must try to be more open minded or receptive to stuff that in the moment doesn't seem to fit my pre judices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 (edited) After you read through the first few quote boxes in this post, isn't the self righteousness of the tone of Von Pein and Alyea, et al, starkly put into perspective? Thanks to the Weisberg files, we learn that the FBI picked up the photos taken by Stuart L. Reed from the Dallas developer lab, so the FBI viewed and attributed those photos to Reed long before Reed ever saw them. We learn that Reed was not a young man in 1963. What do we know about him? He lived in, and retired five years later to the Panama Canal zone. Was he active duty military? In how many instances were investigators inserting themselves in the chain of custody of film from the camera, through the developer, and photo and film prints back to the photographer? Did potentially exculpatory film evidence vanish in the example of Reed's photos, or in other instances? Harry Holmes, "odds 'n ends", what a memory he had! He boasted about his superior memory. ....Interestingly some of the best footage of the North was taken from just about where Harry's office was directly opposite the sixth floor window. He had 4 or so other people with him in his office watching the assassination, who the %%%% were they??? Harry 'can't remember'.... http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1953%2Ccd_max%3A1953&q=%22*The+other+day+Mrs+Holmes+gave%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=%22*The+other+day+Mrs+Holmes+gave%22&gs_rfai=&psj=1&fp=bb84dc0be2ad39a5Postal Inspector Slips Up On Detail . Toledo Blade - Dec 24, 1953 Dallas, Tec., Dec. 24 Harry Holmes is a postal inspector and has been working for the postal department for 29 years. The other day Mrs Holmes gave him two bundles of Christmas cards to stamp and mail One was for Dallas. friends the other for those out of the city. Mr Holmes bought stamps and mailed the cards all right but he didn't put the stamps on the cards. Some of the cards are coming back Some of his friends are paying cents due. http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks%3A1&tbo=1&q=sneed+%22old+time%22&btnG=Search+Books No more silence: an oral history of the assassination of President ... - Page 366 Larry A. Sneed - 2002 - 601 pages - Preview Harry Holmes: "...interrogators, and when you went to trial in those days, especially in federal court, you had to show any notes you took to the defense. So they got to look at every note that you had against their client. But we old-time investigators would just do it by memory. I could still quote nearly every word that boy said to this day and that's been over twenty years ago. That's the way I was trained to interrogate anybody, and so was Fritz...." http://www.jfk-assassination.de/warren/wch/vol4/page232.phpWarren Commission Hearings: Vol. IV - Page 232 (Testimony of J. W. Fritz) ....Mr. BALL. Did you have any tape recorder? Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; I don't have a tape recorder. We need one, if we had one at this time we could have handled these conversations far better. Mr. BALL. The Dallas Police Department doesn't have one? Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; I have requested one several times but so far they haven't gotten me one.... Replying to (thread titled) "Harry and the zfilm" Lancer:"Reporter Harry McCormack takes Sorrels to Jennifer Juniors, Inc., in the Dal-Tex Building, 501 Elm St., the office of Abraham Zapruder. Zapruder was emotionally upset; agreed to furnish a copy of the film to Sorrels with the understanding that it was strictly for official use of the Secret Service and that it would not be shown or given to any newspapers or magazines, as he expected to sell the film for as high a price as he could get for it. Mr. McCormack had offered $1,000 for it, but others were also interested.(Memo from Forrest Sorrels to Thomas Kelley) WFAA-TV calls Eastman Kodak, which agrees to process the film right away. A police cruiser took the men to Kodak on Manor Way. There, Sorrels also met Phil Willis, there with his film for processing. Sorrels left. Dan Rather later claimed credit for arranging for the film's processing. Zapruder had 3 copies made (possibly at Jamieson). The film was previewed at the lab just after being developed. Zapruder was assured no bootlegs had been made. Sorrels later picked up two of the copies.(Trask) After selling the original and one copy to LIFE, Zapruder seems to have retained an unexplained 4th copy, which Sorrels brought people over to view, being without his copies Nov. 23-26.(Trask) Nov. 23: With Zapruder at the projector, the film is viewed by Richard Stolley, LIFE's Los Angeles Bureau Chief, the only reporter among a small group of Secret Service agents in a small room of Jennifer Juniors, early in the morning. Zapruder ran the film again and again as newsmen from AP and UPI and other magazines showed up. When the lights were turned on, Zapruder looked ill. Stolley convinces Zapruder to talk with him first. (Richard Stolley, 1973)" ________________________________________________________ Vince Palamera: "The authors interviewed the following members of the DPD: Jesse Curry, B.J. Martin, Douglas Jackson, James Chaney, Stavis Ellis, Marion Baker, Joe M. Smith, and Earle V. Brown. Also, Jean Hill, Bill Newman, Charles Brehm, Ralph Yarborough, Joe H. Rich, Bill Greer, Roy Kellerman***, Henry Gonzalez, Dean Andrews...and HARRY D. HOLMES. PAGE 129: "Also on Friday evening, November 22nd, [Forrest] Sorrels did a frame-by-frame study of the Zapruder film in his Dallas office. According to Dallas Postal Inspector Harry D. Holmes who was present, "...we thumbed (through) that thing for an hour or more...push (ing) it up one frame at a time." PAGE 213: "A postal inspector [Holmes] picked up a piece of skull from the Elm St. pavement. He said it was as "...big as the end of my finger..." Furthermore, it was one of many: "...there was just pieces of skull and bone and corruption all over the place..." He later discarded it.[!!!]" Seymour Weitzman found a "firecracker" sized skull fragment on Elm Street which he turned over to the Secret Service [7 H 107]; the Harper fragment; the back-of-the -head piece Sam Kinney found lying in the rear of the limo while on the C-130; the three pieces found in the limo: what is going on here??? In any event, Harry Holmes is certainly unique: he had perhaps the best vantage point, witnessing the assassination THROUGH BINOCULARS on the fifth floor of the Post Office Terminal Annex Building. Holmes was previously an FBI informant and, in his capacity as Postal Inspector, had traced the paperwork concerning the Oswald mail order rifle and revolver and testified about it to the Warren Commission. Holmes was present asking questions during the final interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald on 11/24/63, shortly before Ruby would silence him forever. Holmes was a friend of John Martin, a man who also worked in the same building who took a film on that fateful day ("Pictures of the Pain", p. 574). And, now, we know he found a piece of President Kennedy's skull on Elm Street---which he then DISCARDED---and he analyzed the Zapruder film on NOVEMBER 22, 1963!!! Vince Palamara" So Harry saw ("thumbed through, frame by frame") one or both of the two copies Sorrels had? Jack Ruby had written down the name D. H. Holmes on one of these papers. They were found under the refrigerator in his apartment by the next tenant. The H and D are transposed, but, there is little doubt in my mind that this is the same person. Ruby also has the phone number of the Dallas Sheraton on one of these pieces of paper. I believe the Sheraton was where the Secret Service had set up it's comand post. It is also where one G.H.W. Bush stayed on 11/22/1863. These papers may divulge more information if the names and numbers are checked and referenced. Chuck http://www.jfk-assassination.de/warren/wch/vol7/page290.php(Testimony of Harry D. Holmes) Mr. Belin. Would you please state your name for the record? Mr. Holmes. Harry D. Holmes. Mr. Belin. Where do you live, Mr. Holmes? Mr. Holmes. 1711 McManus, Dallas, Tex. Mr. Belin. What is your occupation? Mr. Holmes. Postal inspector. Mr. Belin. For the U.S. Post Office Department? Mr. Holmes. Yes, sir. Mr. Belin. How old are you? Mr. Holmes. I am 57. Mr. Belin. What is your educational background? Did you go to high school here? Mr. Holmes. I graduated from high school in Kansas City, and went 2 years to William Jewell College at Liberty, Mo. and went almost through my third rear in Kansas City. Went to dental college in Kansas City. Mr. Belin. Then what did you do? Mr. Holmes. Well, all that time I was working in the post office as a clerk, and about that time the war broke out and I went into the Postal Inspection Service in April 1942, and have been a postal inspector ever since. Mr. Belin. Have you been in Dallas ever since then? Mr. Holmes. No; I came here July 1, 1948. I have been here ever since.... Edited November 7, 2010 by Tom Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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