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Now, to answer your question, [Jim Hargrove], heck no, I haven't read Harvey and Lee!

To tell you the truth, Jim, I'm starting to entertain the idea that H&L is nothing but an elaborate CIA "disinfo project," designed to divide and confuse the JFK assassination research community.

Yo, genius... how would you know if you are not familiar with the information?

How can you even begin to entertain any thoughts based on your preconcieved [sic] conclusions which are, in turn, not based on the material...

Imagine you know nothing about the JFK murder and I tell you that Oswald wasn't at the window, never owned the rifle or pistol and that the films and photos have been altered to cover up a government conspiracy... And the proof is in this book.

In 1964 that sounded pretty crazy. but lo and behold... if you read the work that shows this to be true you can actually form an educated opinion.

Are you normally in the habit of providing others your completely uninformed opinions and expect them to be given any credibility?

When JVB claimed to do what she did, she offered proof which at every turn, at every look - FELL APART.

When JA points to and goes the extra mile to acquire the info our gov't wouldn't, and over and over again the conflicts rear their head...

you, Bernie and Greg...

34513-see_hear_speak_no_evil.jpg

....might consider not repeatedly looking the fool and read up on it. Or at least admit you're so out of your league related to the info and evidence that you CAN'T come to an opinion - that you'd reserve it until you did some work.

Is this how you approach other subjects tommy? Decide BEFORE you do the research what you're going to think and then stubbornly refuse to consider the source materials which are easily available. Then stand on a soap box and proclaim your ignorance?

Sure looks that way to everyone here... and your attempts to cover this ignorance with "wittiness" :rolleyes: are almost as bad as your dedication to NOT learning the subject.

I now know a great deal about H&L. I studied it and continue to discover new things all the time, just like the JFK assassination.

What do YOU know a great deal about Tommy?

Dear david,

If somebody wrote a 1000 page book which was on the Podunk Times Best Seller's List and the author's conclusion was, as proclaimed on the back cover and inside in the 2-page "introduction," (both of which you read at the store while trying to decide whether or not to buy the book) that "The Moon Is Made Out Of Green Cheese !!!," and the author claimed to have absolutely proved it with 1000 pages of documents, photographs, and his or her "analysis," would you read the book? Would you spend half a lifetime "fact checking" the documents (to make sure he hadn't forged or altered them, mis-dated them, or simply analysed them incorrectly), etc?

Why would you do that, david? Because it was on the Podunk Times Best Seller's List?

--Tommy :sun

PS Hilarious photo of the monkeys BTW!

LOL

bumped for david josephs

PS It's interesting how you kinda "fudged" my quote in your post by deleting most of it but not indicating with a "[...]" or something similar that you had done so.

Here's a rhetorical question for you -- Do you kinda "fudge" stuff, often, Joseph? Leave things out a lot?

Here's the part you left out from between the two sentences of mine that you did quote:

[...] Why the heck would I want to waste my time doing given [H&L's] patently ridiculous premises -- 1 ) that two young boys (and their mothers!) were chosen by the bad guys to participate in an elaborate double-doppelganger project, and that the bad guys somehow knew that the two boys would grow up to look very similar (when necessary) and very different (when necessary); ditto their mothers after they were already adults, 2 ) that "Lee" was (evidently) moved around and hidden in "safe" houses for two-and-one-half years so that he wouldn't bump into any of his friends and acquaintances while "Harvey" was in the USSR, and 3 ) that both "Lee's" and "Harvey's" families were "in on" the project all the way, and have miraculously been able to keep from "spilling the beans" / "letting the cat out of the bag" on it, both before and after the assassination, for about 60 years now. Seems to me the bad guys would have killed them all a long time ago to prevent that from happening. But then again maybe that wasn't necessary because the bad guys just MKULTRA-ed all of them 60 years ago to exhibit zombie-like silence and programmed ..... obfuscation. You know, with occasional "limited hangouts." That's it, isn't it, Jim.

(Speaking of pinto beans, I think Armstrong must have eaten a 55-gallon drum of them and the resultant gas caused him to come up with these weirdo ideas. Or was it ... mushrooms???) [...]

And of course, david, you left out the most important part of all, the finale:

[...] For now, Jim, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm gonna assume that you're just suffering from the effects of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy and its psychological corollary,the Clustering Illusion Syndrome. Add a liberal dash of paranoia and what do you have? The Harvey and Lee Cult.

https://en.wikipedia...shooter_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia...tering_illusion

--Tommy :sun

Shame on you, david josephs.

edited and bumped for David Josephs

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I know why you wrote... It was as stupid the first time as the second.

And it is only a few posts up.. Why repeat the entire thing? Afraid people didn't bother reading it the first time?..

You're truly not that witty or funny but I'm sure you entertain yourself just fine.

You question reads like a Parker post... Complete nonsense.

One thing I wouldn't do is spend a year debating how right/wrong Green Cheese was... I couldn't care less about it so why spend time on it?

As opposed to you and the amazing trifecta here who admittedly don't care, did not read or learn the material and keep telling me the cheese ain't green as if you knew any better.

As for your assumptions. Shove em.

You remainone of the least prepared people on this forum... Ignorance must surely be bliss

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I know why you wrote... It was as stupid the first time as the second.

And it is only a few posts up.. Why repeat the entire thing? Afraid people didn't bother reading it the first time?..

You're truly not that witty or funny but I'm sure you entertain yourself just fine.

You question reads like a Parker post... Complete nonsense.

One thing I wouldn't do is spend a year debating how right/wrong "Green Cheese" was... I couldn't care less about it so why spend time on it?

As opposed to you and the amazing trifecta here who admittedly don't care, did not read or learn the material and keep telling me the cheese ain't green as if you knew any better.

As for your assumptions. Shove em.

You remainone of the least prepared people on this forum... Ignorance must surely be bliss

I know why [sic?] you wrote... It was as stupid the first time as the second.

Sounds like you're casting aspersions, David.

You [sic] question reads like a Parker post... Complete nonsense.

How ironic!

One thing I wouldn't do is spend a year debating how right/wrong Green Cheese was... I couldn't care less about it so why spend time on it?

My point exactly regarding Harvey and Lee!

As opposed to you and the amazing trifecta here who admittedly don't care, did not read or learn the material and keep telling me the cheese ain't green as if you knew any better.

Is that even a complete sentence? Regardless, and just speaking for myself here, the reason I don't care is because just looking at the three bogus H & L premises (q.v.) I mentioned in a recent post, it's obviously a fraud. Ironically, perhaps, I do believe that Oswald was impersonated from time to time by other people, but not by some other mythological "Lee" or "Harvey" who was "chosen" many years earlier by the bad guys to participate in an elaborate, very long lasting double-doppelganger project involving not only "Harvey" and "Lee," but their mothers as well!

As for your assumptions. Shove em.

Shove 'em where, Josephs?

You remainone [sic] of the least prepared people on this forum... Ignorance must surely be bliss

How ironic! (part II), and...

Casting aspersions again are you, Josephs?

--Tommy :sun

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bumped >>>> the FINDERS who tried to recruit the maker of NAMEBASE

Jim Hargrove, on 24 Aug 2015 - 7:40 PM, said:

TOP 10 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN HARVEY AND LEE

10. The IMPOSSIBLE 1953 school scenario: Harvey at Youth House for truancy followed by Beauregard JHS in New Orleans while Lee has good attendance both semesters at PS 44 in NYC.

9. John Pic's inability to recognize clear photographs of his own brother.

8. The refusal of the Social Security Administration to corroborate the official story of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."

7. The Marine Corps records are a gold mine: my favorite chronicles Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan.

6. The Bolton Ford incident while Harvey was in Russia.

5. Marita Lorenz's secret testimony describing Lee Oswald with anti-Castro operatives in Miami and the Everglades while Harvey was in Russia.

4. Lee Oswald visiting the Texas Employment Commission, filling out forms and taking tests, while Harvey was in Russia.

3. The impossible answer(s) to the simple questions: Could Lee Harvey Oswald drive a car? Did he have a drivers license?

2. The well documented appearance of Lee Oswald in the balcony of the Texas Theater soon after the murder of J.D. Tippit with the simultaneous arrest of Harvey Oswald on the main floor of the same theater.

1. The behavior of the FBI in the first 48 hours of the "investigation," during which the Bureau confiscated many of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" school records and employment histories. Six months later, the Bureau decided to test for fingerprints on boxes in the so-called "sniper's nest."

Jim,

But the reason gullible True Believers like you swallow the H & L Dogma "hook, line, and sinker" is twofold: 1 ) It's a perfect example of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, and 2 ) as such it facilitates and encourages your continuing application of The Clustering Illusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion

--Tommy

Tommy..

Please tell the truth. HAVE YOU ACTUALLY READ HARVEY & LEE?

Jim

Russian Spy Ring Aimed to Make Children Agents

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444097904577537044185191340

===================================================================

Jim

Graves seems to have never read book. gaal

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
PARKER

Have you read the article?

The "children" turns out to be one. And he was 20. And his parents deny they tried to recruit saying probably quite rightly, it would have been too risky.

The clincher that the story is BS is that they claim the 20 year old stood up and saluted "Mother Russia" when the parents tried to get him to join them. That is just too corny for words.

You guys a are a crack up.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

GAAL

Have you read the article? planned to recruit children, see link below . ,gaal (BS NO)

==========================

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444097904577537044185191340

By

Devlin Barrett Updated July 31, 2012 4:13 p.m. ET

"A Russian spy ring busted in the U.S. two years ago planned to recruit members' children to become agents, and one had already agreed to his parents' request, according to current and former U.S. officials."

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Gaal

link to info below >> http://www.covertbookreport.com/spy-kids-the-russians-the-finders-and-the-family/

=================================================================================================

"It seems quite possible that nearly every country in the world may have some similar operation going on – with the intent of penetrating various government agencies. But things get weirder and weirder. Here’s a piece I wrote on "The Finders" in 2010:

Did The Finders Create a "Bourne Identity"?

Suppose you have a thirty-year cult, run by a southern eccentric with ties to the Central Intelligence Agency.
Suppose that cult raised children in austere surroundings combined with advanced education, perhaps to be used by said intelligence agency?
Suppose that cult was investigated for child abuse/neglect but the investigation was shut down for "National Security" reasons?
Sound like something out of a movie? Young "Jason Bournes" being created, nurtured and trained for future use? Well, something like that seems to have happened in "The Finders" cult.
The unraveling of "The Finders" case brought to the forefront many long-rumored stories about possible child trafficking as well as those about children being trained for use as spies and assassins.
In February 1987, a tip to the police led to the arrest of two "well dressed men" in a park in Tallahassee Florida. The men appeared to be "supervising" a group of six disheveled and hungry children. The men, who were based out of Washington D.C., were charged with child abuse. The D.C. police raided a house and warehouse, where they found many items that implicated "The Finders" cult in international intrigue and what appears to be ritual sacrifice of animals. The children were temporarily moved to an undisclosed location under armed guard due to threats to authorities.
This all sounds like typical internet rumor-mongering, except the story was carried by The New York Times and U.S. News And World Report.
The smoking gun was a report by U.S. Customs agent Ramon Martinez. Customs was called in to investigate a possible link to child pornography or child trafficking, and the Martinez document is shocking. There were indeed photos of many children, some naked. This in itself is not surprising due to the commune-type upbringing of The Finders. There were also photos of members in white robes, with the children, in what appears to be ritual sacrifice of goats. The Finders claim it was merely typical harvesting of animals on a farm, but the children actively participated in the disembowelment.
At the time of the arrest, despite the "well dressed" appearance of the adult men, the children seemed to have no knowledge of such things as electricity and hot running water. In a strange twist, they seemed highly educated. Details of what was found in the warehouse and the customs report can be read in this report by Dave McGowan.
Other items seized from the finders included Telex messages about obtaining children from Hong Kong, international money transfers, and this, from the Martinez report:
"Further inspection of the premises disclosed numerous files relating to activities of the organization in different parts of the world. Locations I observed are as follows: London, Germany, the Bahamas, Japan, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Africa, Costa Rica, and ‘Europe.’ There was also a file identified as ‘Palestinian.’ Other files were identified by member name or ‘project’ name. The projects appearing to be operated for commercial purposes under front names for the Finders. There was one file entitled ‘Pentagon Break-In,’ and others referring to members operating in foreign countries".
Everything in this case points to a possible prosecution for child abuse, but the investigation was shut down for National Security reasons.
Marion Pettie was the leader of "The Finders" cult. Described as a tall, well-built southern gentleman, Pettie maintained a large property in Culpepper Virginia and the locations that were raided in Washington D.C.
He has admitted that his wife had worked for the CIA and that his son flew for the CIA airline "Air America", long known for it’s drug-trafficking exploits in Southeast Asia.
In an excellent interview in the Washington "City Paper", Pettie described his role as "Game Caller". He instructed his followers to live by the day, hour, minute. He would send them on "projects", often to foreign countries. All the Finders men dressed like FBI agents, in conservative dark suits. Not exactly your typical hippie-cult attire.
At the dawn of the computer era, Pettie recruited a talented computer engineer who trained members of The Finders in computer technology. They went on to run a project for – you guessed it, The CIA.
Pettie openly admits that he ran a safe house for members of intelligence agencies, from The Office of Navel Intelligence, to the OSS, to any spook that needed a place to hang out. He claims he would "study them".
The children that were found in the park with the "well-dressed men" were returned to their mothers and the cult. The investigation was dropped.
The most recent information I could research on The Finders was a blog post by a guy named Michael Phillips. Phillips claims to have met The Finders in San Francisco in the 1970’s. Phillips respects the group, and thinks they had innovative ideas. Several Finders-type comments followed his blog post, one saying that Pettie and other founding members were now dead, and thanked him for the kind words. Phillips had just proof-read a 550-page manuscript of a book on the finders by member Robert "Tobe" Terrell.
Another questionable report on a New Zealand Indymedia blog said that The Finders had relocated to Taiwan. I don’t know about that.
——–
We will never know the true story of "The Finders", what they were training the children for, or the source of their wealth. The Washington "City Paper" article says that some former members were suing Pettie and the remaining estate of the cult.
The articles I researched are split into at least three categories. The right-wing writers focus on Satanic ritual abuse. The left side suspects the children may have been programed to be spies or assassins. People like the blogger Phillips suggest they were just elaborate role-playing adventurers.
It is well known that intelligence agencies run programs resembling The Finders, such as the Kool-Aid massacres in Jonestown. It’s easy to pull a Sirhan-Sirhan or Lee Harvey Oswald out of these groups when they need one.
But let’s close with this chilling conclusion to the report of U.S. Customs officer Martinez:

"On April 2, 1987, I arrived at MPD at approximately 9:00 a.m. Detective Bradley was not available. I spoke to a third party who was willing to discuss the case with me on a strictly ‘off the record’ basis.
"I was advised that all the passport data had been turned over to the State Department for their investigation. The State Department in turn, advised the MPD that all travel and use of the passports by the holders of the passports was within the law and no action would be taken. This included travel to Moscow, North Korea, and North Vietnam from the late 1950s to mid 1970s.
"The individual further advised me of circumstances which indicated that the investigation into the activity of the Finders had become a CIA internal matter. The MPD report has been classified SECRET and was not available for review. I was advised that the FBI had withdrawn from the investigation several weeks prior and that the FBI Foreign Counter Intelligence Division had directed MPD not to advise the FBI Washington Field Office of anything that had transpired.

"No further information will be available. No further action will be taken." "
———————————————–

UPDATE:

The spy aged EIGHT: How American forces recruited a young boy to plant a chip on his stepfather – an Al Qaeda target in Yemen – so they could kill him in a drone strikeNew allegations claim that an 8-year-old Yemeni boy who was abandoned by his biological family was then roped back into their clutches
The boy’s biological father works for the Yemeni Republican Guard, which helps U.S. forces, and they asked have an al Qaeda operative located

That operative had been added to the U.S. ‘kill list’

The Republican Guard knew that one of their officer’s children had been taken in by that target, Adnan al-Qadhi, so they called the biological father and asked him to have his son place the chip on the surrogate father
The boy complied and days later, Qadhi was killed in a drone strike

By Daily Mail Reporter
PUBLISHED: 18:21 EST, 15 August 2013 | UPDATED: 09:10 EST, 16 August 2013

Edited by Steven Gaal

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bumped >>>> the FINDERS who tried to recruit the maker of NAMEBASE

Jim Hargrove, on 24 Aug 2015 - 7:40 PM, said:

TOP 10 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN HARVEY AND LEE

10. The IMPOSSIBLE 1953 school scenario: Harvey at Youth House for truancy followed by Beauregard JHS in New Orleans while Lee has good attendance both semesters at PS 44 in NYC.

9. John Pic's inability to recognize clear photographs of his own brother.

8. The refusal of the Social Security Administration to corroborate the official story of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."

7. The Marine Corps records are a gold mine: my favorite chronicles Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan.

6. The Bolton Ford incident while Harvey was in Russia.

5. Marita Lorenz's secret testimony describing Lee Oswald with anti-Castro operatives in Miami and the Everglades while Harvey was in Russia.

4. Lee Oswald visiting the Texas Employment Commission, filling out forms and taking tests, while Harvey was in Russia.

3. The impossible answer(s) to the simple questions: Could Lee Harvey Oswald drive a car? Did he have a drivers license?

2. The well documented appearance of Lee Oswald in the balcony of the Texas Theater soon after the murder of J.D. Tippit with the simultaneous arrest of Harvey Oswald on the main floor of the same theater.

1. The behavior of the FBI in the first 48 hours of the "investigation," during which the Bureau confiscated many of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" school records and employment histories. Six months later, the Bureau decided to test for fingerprints on boxes in the so-called "sniper's nest."

Jim,

But the reason gullible True Believers like you swallow the H & L Dogma "hook, line, and sinker" is twofold: 1 ) It's a perfect example of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, and 2 ) as such it facilitates and encourages your continuing application of The Clustering Illusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion

--Tommy

Tommy..

Please tell the truth. HAVE YOU ACTUALLY READ HARVEY & LEE?

Jim

Russian Spy Ring Aimed to Make Children Agents

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444097904577537044185191340

===================================================================

Jim

Graves seems to have never read book. gaal

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

PARKER

Have you read the article?

The "children" turns out to be one. And he was 20. And his parents deny they tried to recruit saying probably quite rightly, it would have been too risky.

The clincher that the story is BS is that they claim the 20 year old stood up and saluted "Mother Russia" when the parents tried to get him to join them. That is just too corny for words.

You guys a are a crack up.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

GAAL

Have you read the article? planned to recruit children, see link below . ,gaal (BS NO)

==========================

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444097904577537044185191340

By

Devlin Barrett Updated July 31, 2012 4:13 p.m. ET

"A Russian spy ring busted in the U.S. two years ago planned to recruit members' children to become agents, and one had already agreed to his parents' request, according to current and former U.S. officials."

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Gaal

link to info below >> http://www.covertbookreport.com/spy-kids-the-russians-the-finders-and-the-family/

=================================================================================================

"It seems quite possible that nearly every country in the world may have some similar operation going on – with the intent of penetrating various government agencies. But things get weirder and weirder. Here’s a piece I wrote on "The Finders" in 2010:

Did The Finders Create a "Bourne Identity"?

Suppose you have a thirty-year cult, run by a southern eccentric with ties to the Central Intelligence Agency.

Suppose that cult raised children in austere surroundings combined with advanced education, perhaps to be used by said intelligence agency?

Suppose that cult was investigated for child abuse/neglect but the investigation was shut down for "National Security" reasons?

Sound like something out of a movie? Young "Jason Bournes" being created, nurtured and trained for future use? Well, something like that seems to have happened in "The Finders" cult.

The unraveling of "The Finders" case brought to the forefront many long-rumored stories about possible child trafficking as well as those about children being trained for use as spies and assassins.

In February 1987, a tip to the police led to the arrest of two "well dressed men" in a park in Tallahassee Florida. The men appeared to be "supervising" a group of six disheveled and hungry children. The men, who were based out of Washington D.C., were charged with child abuse. The D.C. police raided a house and warehouse, where they found many items that implicated "The Finders" cult in international intrigue and what appears to be ritual sacrifice of animals. The children were temporarily moved to an undisclosed location under armed guard due to threats to authorities.

This all sounds like typical internet rumor-mongering, except the story was carried by The New York Times and U.S. News And World Report.

The smoking gun was a report by U.S. Customs agent Ramon Martinez. Customs was called in to investigate a possible link to child pornography or child trafficking, and the Martinez document is shocking. There were indeed photos of many children, some naked. This in itself is not surprising due to the commune-type upbringing of The Finders. There were also photos of members in white robes, with the children, in what appears to be ritual sacrifice of goats. The Finders claim it was merely typical harvesting of animals on a farm, but the children actively participated in the disembowelment.

At the time of the arrest, despite the "well dressed" appearance of the adult men, the children seemed to have no knowledge of such things as electricity and hot running water. In a strange twist, they seemed highly educated. Details of what was found in the warehouse and the customs report can be read in this report by Dave McGowan.

Other items seized from the finders included Telex messages about obtaining children from Hong Kong, international money transfers, and this, from the Martinez report:

"Further inspection of the premises disclosed numerous files relating to activities of the organization in different parts of the world. Locations I observed are as follows: London, Germany, the Bahamas, Japan, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Africa, Costa Rica, and ‘Europe.’ There was also a file identified as ‘Palestinian.’ Other files were identified by member name or ‘project’ name. The projects appearing to be operated for commercial purposes under front names for the Finders. There was one file entitled ‘Pentagon Break-In,’ and others referring to members operating in foreign countries".

Everything in this case points to a possible prosecution for child abuse, but the investigation was shut down for National Security reasons.

Marion Pettie was the leader of "The Finders" cult. Described as a tall, well-built southern gentleman, Pettie maintained a large property in Culpepper Virginia and the locations that were raided in Washington D.C.

He has admitted that his wife had worked for the CIA and that his son flew for the CIA airline "Air America", long known for it’s drug-trafficking exploits in Southeast Asia.

In an excellent interview in the Washington "City Paper", Pettie described his role as "Game Caller". He instructed his followers to live by the day, hour, minute. He would send them on "projects", often to foreign countries. All the Finders men dressed like FBI agents, in conservative dark suits. Not exactly your typical hippie-cult attire.

At the dawn of the computer era, Pettie recruited a talented computer engineer who trained members of The Finders in computer technology. They went on to run a project for – you guessed it, The CIA.

Pettie openly admits that he ran a safe house for members of intelligence agencies, from The Office of Navel Intelligence, to the OSS, to any spook that needed a place to hang out. He claims he would "study them".

The children that were found in the park with the "well-dressed men" were returned to their mothers and the cult. The investigation was dropped.

The most recent information I could research on The Finders was a blog post by a guy named Michael Phillips. Phillips claims to have met The Finders in San Francisco in the 1970’s. Phillips respects the group, and thinks they had innovative ideas. Several Finders-type comments followed his blog post, one saying that Pettie and other founding members were now dead, and thanked him for the kind words. Phillips had just proof-read a 550-page manuscript of a book on the finders by member Robert "Tobe" Terrell.

Another questionable report on a New Zealand Indymedia blog said that The Finders had relocated to Taiwan. I don’t know about that.

——–

We will never know the true story of "The Finders", what they were training the children for, or the source of their wealth. The Washington "City Paper" article says that some former members were suing Pettie and the remaining estate of the cult.

The articles I researched are split into at least three categories. The right-wing writers focus on Satanic ritual abuse. The left side suspects the children may have been programed to be spies or assassins. People like the blogger Phillips suggest they were just elaborate role-playing adventurers.

It is well known that intelligence agencies run programs resembling The Finders, such as the Kool-Aid massacres in Jonestown. It’s easy to pull a Sirhan-Sirhan or Lee Harvey Oswald out of these groups when they need one.

But let’s close with this chilling conclusion to the report of U.S. Customs officer Martinez:

"On April 2, 1987, I arrived at MPD at approximately 9:00 a.m. Detective Bradley was not available. I spoke to a third party who was willing to discuss the case with me on a strictly ‘off the record’ basis.

"I was advised that all the passport data had been turned over to the State Department for their investigation. The State Department in turn, advised the MPD that all travel and use of the passports by the holders of the passports was within the law and no action would be taken. This included travel to Moscow, North Korea, and North Vietnam from the late 1950s to mid 1970s.

"The individual further advised me of circumstances which indicated that the investigation into the activity of the Finders had become a CIA internal matter. The MPD report has been classified SECRET and was not available for review. I was advised that the FBI had withdrawn from the investigation several weeks prior and that the FBI Foreign Counter Intelligence Division had directed MPD not to advise the FBI Washington Field Office of anything that had transpired.

"No further information will be available. No further action will be taken." "

———————————————–

UPDATE:

The spy aged EIGHT: How American forces recruited a young boy to plant a chip on his stepfather – an Al Qaeda target in Yemen – so they could kill him in a drone strikeNew allegations claim that an 8-year-old Yemeni boy who was abandoned by his biological family was then roped back into their clutches

The boy’s biological father works for the Yemeni Republican Guard, which helps U.S. forces, and they asked have an al Qaeda operative located

That operative had been added to the U.S. ‘kill list’

The Republican Guard knew that one of their officer’s children had been taken in by that target, Adnan al-Qadhi, so they called the biological father and asked him to have his son place the chip on the surrogate father

The boy complied and days later, Qadhi was killed in a drone strike

By Daily Mail Reporter

PUBLISHED: 18:21 EST, 15 August 2013 | UPDATED: 09:10 EST, 16 August 2013

So where, which addresses, was 'Lee' living at whilst 'Harvey' was in Russia?

Do you have firm proof that he lived there?

David Josephs says that it was reported that people used to "go there looking for him". Go where? And who reported it? Where are

the citations for this?

Without this you have nothing!

Except lots and lots of tin-foil hats...

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Gaal

link to info below >> http://www.covertboo...and-the-family/

"Marion Pettie was the leader of "The Finders" cult. Described as a tall, well-built southern gentleman, Pettie maintained a large property in Culpepper Virginia and the locations that were raided in Washington D.C.
He has admitted that his wife had worked for the CIA and that his son flew for the CIA airline "Air America", long known for it’s drug-trafficking exploits in Southeast Asia.
In an excellent interview in the Washington "City Paper", Pettie described his role as "Game Caller". He instructed his followers to live by the day, hour, minute. He would send them on "projects", often to foreign countries. All the Finders men dressed like FBI agents, in conservative dark suits. Not exactly your typical hippie-cult attire.
At the dawn of the computer era, Pettie recruited a talented computer engineer who trained members of The Finders in computer technology. They went on to run a project for – you guessed it, The CIA.
Pettie openly admits that he ran a safe house for members of intelligence agencies, from The Office of Navel Intelligence, to the OSS, to any spook that needed a place to hang out. He claims he would "study them".
The children that were found in the park with the "well-dressed men" were returned to their mothers and the cult. The investigation was dropped."

==================================================================

children made into spies, . gaal

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Gaal

link to info below >> http://www.covertboo...and-the-family/

"Marion Pettie was the leader of "The Finders" cult. Described as a tall, well-built southern gentleman, Pettie maintained a large property in Culpepper Virginia and the locations that were raided in Washington D.C.

He has admitted that his wife had worked for the CIA and that his son flew for the CIA airline "Air America", long known for it’s drug-trafficking exploits in Southeast Asia.

In an excellent interview in the Washington "City Paper", Pettie described his role as "Game Caller". He instructed his followers to live by the day, hour, minute. He would send them on "projects", often to foreign countries. All the Finders men dressed like FBI agents, in conservative dark suits. Not exactly your typical hippie-cult attire.

At the dawn of the computer era, Pettie recruited a talented computer engineer who trained members of The Finders in computer technology. They went on to run a project for – you guessed it, The CIA.

Pettie openly admits that he ran a safe house for members of intelligence agencies, from The Office of Navel Intelligence, to the OSS, to any spook that needed a place to hang out. He claims he would "study them".

The children that were found in the park with the "well-dressed men" were returned to their mothers and the cult. The investigation was dropped."

==================================================================

children made into spies, . gaal

So let me get this right. 'Lee' was probably under house arrest for two and half years in a CIA safe house? That's it? That's your proof that 'Lee' was in the USA whilst 'Harvey' was in Russia? That's fine. It's un-provable of course. And it does raise the further question of how there could have been any "sightings" of him if he were tucked neatly away in a safe house PRECISELY so he doesn't get spotted. Did he escape on those occasions? A bit of teenage rebellion? It's common. Nearly all 19yr old doppelgangers in waiting regularly go through that "I want to tell the world who I really am" moments. Thankfully that has left a trail that 'proves' beyond all doubt there were two Oswalds. One in Russia and the other an habitual escapee from a CIA run Dallas safe-house. Probably...

You've nailed it and I apologise profusely. How stupid are people for not getting this? Look, for you sceptics and hit squad minions, how could it be that we have one Lee Harvey Oswald in Russia, and yet, we may have the other in an unknown safe house in the USA.

What more proof of a doppelganger programme do you guys want?

PS... Did no one wonder where 'Lee' had got to? Did anyone contact the authorities to report a missing person?

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Gaal

link to info below >> http://www.covertboo...and-the-family/

"Marion Pettie was the leader of "The Finders" cult. Described as a tall, well-built southern gentleman, Pettie maintained a large property in Culpepper Virginia and the locations that were raided in Washington D.C.

He has admitted that his wife had worked for the CIA and that his son flew for the CIA airline "Air America", long known for it’s drug-trafficking exploits in Southeast Asia.

In an excellent interview in the Washington "City Paper", Pettie described his role as "Game Caller". He instructed his followers to live by the day, hour, minute. He would send them on "projects", often to foreign countries. All the Finders men dressed like FBI agents, in conservative dark suits. Not exactly your typical hippie-cult attire.

At the dawn of the computer era, Pettie recruited a talented computer engineer who trained members of The Finders in computer technology. They went on to run a project for – you guessed it, The CIA.

Pettie openly admits that he ran a safe house for members of intelligence agencies, from The Office of Navel Intelligence, to the OSS, to any spook that needed a place to hang out. He claims he would "study them".

The children that were found in the park with the "well-dressed men" were returned to their mothers and the cult. The investigation was dropped."

==================================================================

children made into spies, . gaal

So let me get this right. 'Lee' was probably under house arrest for two and half years in a CIA safe house? That's it? That's your proof that 'Lee' was in the USA whilst 'Harvey' was in Russia? That's fine. It's un-provable of course. And it does raise the further question of how there could have been any "sightings" of him if he were tucked neatly away in a safe house PRECISELY so he doesn't get spotted. Did he escape on those occasions? A bit of teenage rebellion? It's common. Nearly all 19yr old doppelgangers in waiting regularly go through that "I want to tell the world who I really am" moments. Thankfully that has left a trail that 'proves' beyond all doubt there were two Oswalds. One in Russia and the other an habitual escapee from a CIA run Dallas safe-house. Probably...

You've nailed it and I apologise profusely. How stupid are people for not getting this? Look, for you sceptics and hit squad minions, how could it be that we have one Lee Harvey Oswald in Russia, and yet, we may have the other in an unknown safe house in the USA.

What more proof of a doppelganger programme do you guys want?

PS... Did no one wonder where 'Lee' had got to? Did anyone contact the authorities to report a missing person?

POSTED THIS TWICE TO ANSWER YOU ., gaal

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22151&p=313282

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TOP 10 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN HARVEY AND LEE
10. The IMPOSSIBLE 1953 school scenario: Harvey at Youth House for truancy followed by Beauregard JHS in New Orleans while Lee has good attendance both semesters at PS 44 in NYC.
9. John Pic's inability to recognize clear photographs of his own brother.
8. The refusal of the Social Security Administration to corroborate the official story of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."
7. The Marine Corps records are a gold mine: my favorite chronicles Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan.
6. The Bolton Ford incident while Harvey was in Russia.
5. Marita Lorenz's secret testimony describing Lee Oswald with anti-Castro operatives in Miami and the Everglades while Harvey was in Russia.
4. Lee Oswald visiting the Texas Employment Commission, filling out forms and taking tests, while Harvey was in Russia.
3. The impossible answer(s) to the simple questions: Could Lee Harvey Oswald drive a car? Did he have a drivers license?
2. The well documented appearance of Lee Oswald in the balcony of the Texas Theater soon after the murder of J.D. Tippit with the simultaneous arrest of Harvey Oswald on the main floor of the same theater.
1. The behavior of the FBI in the first 48 hours of the "investigation," during which the Bureau confiscated many of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" school records and employment histories. Six months later, the Bureau decided to test for fingerprints on boxes in the so-called "sniper's nest."

As if nobody else in the USA was ever named Lee Oswald, Harvey Oswald, or even Lee Harvey Oswald from 1940 to 1963...

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

Paul,

If you actually read Harvey and Lee, I doubt you'd make a statement like the one above. It amazes me that of the people on this forum who go to great links to say they don't believe Harvey and Lee, not a single one has actually read the book! This is hardly a case of some other completely unrelated fellow or two who just happened to be named “Lee Harvey Oswald.”

Let's take a quick look at the first ten items on my list (numbers 10-6).

10. The Youth House in NY and Beauregard JHS in New Orleans attendance for Lee HARVEY Oswald and the Public School 44 NY attendance by LEE Harvey Oswald is right out of the Warren Commission. If the FBI and the Commissioners managed to identify some unrelated kid with the same name, they made a real whopper.

9. The fact that John Pic refused to ID his “brother” in the Bronx Zoo and FPCC literature images is hardly a matter of an unrelated kid with the same name. These are famous pictures, integral parts of the fable of “Lee Harvey Oswald.”

8. The fact that Social Security Administration refused to acknowledge ANY of Oswald's teen-aged income in REMARKABLE, especially since we have all those (apparently bogus) tax forms describing it. This is hardly a case of mistaken identity; these are U.S. records with names, addresses, Social Security numbers, taxpayer ID numbers, and so on.

7. When the HSCA was confronted with the evidence that Lee HARVEY Oswald departed by ship from Yokosuka, Japan on 9/16/58, eventually arriving and spending time in Taiwan, while LEE Harvey Oswald was being treated at the Naval hospital in Japan, it resulted in nothing less than a letter from Secretary of Defense Harold Brown denying that LHO left Japan. THESE ARE MARINE CORPS RECORDS OF “LEE HARVEY OSWALD!”

6. In the Bolton Ford incident, which occurred on 1/20/61, while CLASSIC LHO was in Russia, Fred Sewell indicated that the man who identified himself as “Lee Oswald” wanted to buy trucks for the Friends of Democratic Cuba. Sewell wrote both “Oswald” and “Friends of Democratic Cuba” on the sales proposal. Do you really think there were two, completely unrelated “Lee Oswalds” associated with “Friends of Democratic Cuba?

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Gaal

link to info below >> http://www.covertboo...and-the-family/

"Marion Pettie was the leader of "The Finders" cult. Described as a tall, well-built southern gentleman, Pettie maintained a large property in Culpepper Virginia and the locations that were raided in Washington D.C.

He has admitted that his wife had worked for the CIA and that his son flew for the CIA airline "Air America", long known for it’s drug-trafficking exploits in Southeast Asia.

In an excellent interview in the Washington "City Paper", Pettie described his role as "Game Caller". He instructed his followers to live by the day, hour, minute. He would send them on "projects", often to foreign countries. All the Finders men dressed like FBI agents, in conservative dark suits. Not exactly your typical hippie-cult attire.

At the dawn of the computer era, Pettie recruited a talented computer engineer who trained members of The Finders in computer technology. They went on to run a project for – you guessed it, The CIA.

Pettie openly admits that he ran a safe house for members of intelligence agencies, from The Office of Navel Intelligence, to the OSS, to any spook that needed a place to hang out. He claims he would "study them".

The children that were found in the park with the "well-dressed men" were returned to their mothers and the cult. The investigation was dropped."

==================================================================

children made into spies, . gaal

So let me get this right. 'Lee' was probably under house arrest for two and half years in a CIA safe house? That's it? That's your proof that 'Lee' was in the USA whilst 'Harvey' was in Russia? That's fine. It's un-provable of course. And it does raise the further question of how there could have been any "sightings" of him if he were tucked neatly away in a safe house PRECISELY so he doesn't get spotted. Did he escape on those occasions? A bit of teenage rebellion? It's common. Nearly all 19yr old doppelgangers in waiting regularly go through that "I want to tell the world who I really am" moments. Thankfully that has left a trail that 'proves' beyond all doubt there were two Oswalds. One in Russia and the other an habitual escapee from a CIA run Dallas safe-house. Probably...

You've nailed it and I apologise profusely. How stupid are people for not getting this? Look, for you sceptics and hit squad minions, how could it be that we have one Lee Harvey Oswald in Russia, and yet, we may have the other in an unknown safe house in the USA.

What more proof of a doppelganger programme do you guys want?

PS... Did no one wonder where 'Lee' had got to? Did anyone contact the authorities to report a missing person?

POSTED THIS TWICE TO ANSWER YOU ., gaal

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22151&p=313282

It is all meaningless gibberish!

You wrote... in late 1962 (see pp. 6-7, (follow-up at pp. 16-18) The ID of Hernandez was made years later and is admittedly shaky. The ID of Oswald is more substantive, as he id'd himself to the police as an FPCC member - but he was living in the Dallas area.

So? What does this prove?

I asked for proof of 'Lee's' whereabouts during the time 'Harvey' was in Russia and you send me that????

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TOP 10 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN HARVEY AND LEE
10. The IMPOSSIBLE 1953 school scenario: Harvey at Youth House for truancy followed by Beauregard JHS in New Orleans while Lee has good attendance both semesters at PS 44 in NYC.
9. John Pic's inability to recognize clear photographs of his own brother.
8. The refusal of the Social Security Administration to corroborate the official story of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."
7. The Marine Corps records are a gold mine: my favorite chronicles Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan.
6. The Bolton Ford incident while Harvey was in Russia.
5. Marita Lorenz's secret testimony describing Lee Oswald with anti-Castro operatives in Miami and the Everglades while Harvey was in Russia.
4. Lee Oswald visiting the Texas Employment Commission, filling out forms and taking tests, while Harvey was in Russia.
3. The impossible answer(s) to the simple questions: Could Lee Harvey Oswald drive a car? Did he have a drivers license?
2. The well documented appearance of Lee Oswald in the balcony of the Texas Theater soon after the murder of J.D. Tippit with the simultaneous arrest of Harvey Oswald on the main floor of the same theater.
1. The behavior of the FBI in the first 48 hours of the "investigation," during which the Bureau confiscated many of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" school records and employment histories. Six months later, the Bureau decided to test for fingerprints on boxes in the so-called "sniper's nest."

As if nobody else in the USA was ever named Lee Oswald, Harvey Oswald, or even Lee Harvey Oswald from 1940 to 1963...

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

Paul,

If you actually read Harvey and Lee, I doubt you'd make a statement like the one above. It amazes me that of the people on this forum who go to great links to say they don't believe Harvey and Lee, not a single one has actually read the book! This is hardly a case of some other completely unrelated fellow or two who just happened to be named “Lee Harvey Oswald.”

Let's take a quick look at the first ten items on my list (numbers 10-6).

10. The Youth House in NY and Beauregard JHS in New Orleans attendance for Lee HARVEY Oswald and the Public School 44 NY attendance by LEE Harvey Oswald is right out of the Warren Commission. If the FBI and the Commissioners managed to identify some unrelated kid with the same name, they made a real whopper.

9. The fact that John Pic refused to ID his “brother” in the Bronx Zoo and FPCC literature images is hardly a matter of an unrelated kid with the same name. These are famous pictures, integral parts of the fable of “Lee Harvey Oswald.”

8. The fact that Social Security Administration refused to acknowledge ANY of Oswald's teen-aged income in REMARKABLE, especially since we have all those (apparently bogus) tax forms describing it. This is hardly a case of mistaken identity; these are U.S. records with names, addresses, Social Security numbers, taxpayer ID numbers, and so on.

7. When the HSCA was confronted with the evidence that Lee HARVEY Oswald departed by ship from Yokosuka, Japan on 9/16/58, eventually arriving and spending time in Taiwan, while LEE Harvey Oswald was being treated at the Naval hospital in Japan, it resulted in nothing less than a letter from Secretary of Defense Harold Brown denying that LHO left Japan. THESE ARE MARINE CORPS RECORDS OF “LEE HARVEY OSWALD!”

6. In the Bolton Ford incident, which occurred on 1/20/61, while CLASSIC LHO was in Russia, Fred Sewell indicated that the man who identified himself as “Lee Oswald” wanted to buy trucks for the Friends of Democratic Cuba. Sewell wrote both “Oswald” and “Friends of Democratic Cuba” on the sales proposal. Do you really think there were two, completely unrelated “Lee Oswalds” associated with “Friends of Democratic Cuba?

"In the Bolton Ford incident, which occurred on 1/20/61, while CLASSIC LHO was in Russia, Fred Sewell indicated that the man who identified himself as “Lee Oswald” wanted to buy trucks for the Friends of Democratic Cuba."

But Steven Gaal is trying to convince me that he was being kept under lock and key in a safe-house in Dallas during the time 'Harvey' was in Russia.

If so, why was he allowed out to go and spill his name all over the place thus contaminating the whole elaborate plot? If he wasn't being kept in a "safe-house" then there must be some proof somewhere showing which addresses he lived at during this period. Find that and you may have something, at the moment it is just childish fantasy land.

Your position is this... "There is no proof or even a report of an address so therefore he must have been kept in a safe-house". But that will now change. It has to. How else do you explain this sighting and the utter stupidity of him being there? And was it confirmed whether at the Bolton Ford sighting this Oswald actually looked like the historic Oswald? Did they look alike? If yes then that makes this plot beyond science fiction. It is impossible that two teenagers both picked for a long term project, both unrelated, could grow through adolescence and emerge almost identical; identical enough to create the Bolton Ford incident at any rate. If he didn't look like Oswald...What have you got?

What all this proves is that you guys haven't got a clue; you're just blindly throwing darts at the board.

Everyone knows you cannot address the above answers without recourse to abuse. I don' t expect any answers anyway because there aren't any!

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TOP 10 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN HARVEY AND LEE
10. The IMPOSSIBLE 1953 school scenario: Harvey at Youth House for truancy followed by Beauregard JHS in New Orleans while Lee has good attendance both semesters at PS 44 in NYC.
9. John Pic's inability to recognize clear photographs of his own brother.
8. The refusal of the Social Security Administration to corroborate the official story of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."
7. The Marine Corps records are a gold mine: my favorite chronicles Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan.
6. The Bolton Ford incident while Harvey was in Russia.
5. Marita Lorenz's secret testimony describing Lee Oswald with anti-Castro operatives in Miami and the Everglades while Harvey was in Russia.
4. Lee Oswald visiting the Texas Employment Commission, filling out forms and taking tests, while Harvey was in Russia.
3. The impossible answer(s) to the simple questions: Could Lee Harvey Oswald drive a car? Did he have a drivers license?
2. The well documented appearance of Lee Oswald in the balcony of the Texas Theater soon after the murder of J.D. Tippit with the simultaneous arrest of Harvey Oswald on the main floor of the same theater.
1. The behavior of the FBI in the first 48 hours of the "investigation," during which the Bureau confiscated many of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" school records and employment histories. Six months later, the Bureau decided to test for fingerprints on boxes in the so-called "sniper's nest."

As if nobody else in the USA was ever named Lee Oswald, Harvey Oswald, or even Lee Harvey Oswald from 1940 to 1963...

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

Paul,

If you actually read Harvey and Lee, I doubt you'd make a statement like the one above. It amazes me that of the people on this forum who go to great links to say they don't believe Harvey and Lee, not a single one has actually read the book! This is hardly a case of some other completely unrelated fellow or two who just happened to be named “Lee Harvey Oswald.”

Let's take a quick look at the first ten items on my list (numbers 10-6).

10. The Youth House in NY and Beauregard JHS in New Orleans attendance for Lee HARVEY Oswald and the Public School 44 NY attendance by LEE Harvey Oswald is right out of the Warren Commission. If the FBI and the Commissioners managed to identify some unrelated kid with the same name, they made a real whopper.

9. The fact that John Pic refused to ID his “brother” in the Bronx Zoo and FPCC literature images is hardly a matter of an unrelated kid with the same name. These are famous pictures, integral parts of the fable of “Lee Harvey Oswald.”

8. The fact that Social Security Administration refused to acknowledge ANY of Oswald's teen-aged income in REMARKABLE, especially since we have all those (apparently bogus) tax forms describing it. This is hardly a case of mistaken identity; these are U.S. records with names, addresses, Social Security numbers, taxpayer ID numbers, and so on.

7. When the HSCA was confronted with the evidence that Lee HARVEY Oswald departed by ship from Yokosuka, Japan on 9/16/58, eventually arriving and spending time in Taiwan, while LEE Harvey Oswald was being treated at the Naval hospital in Japan, it resulted in nothing less than a letter from Secretary of Defense Harold Brown denying that LHO left Japan. THESE ARE MARINE CORPS RECORDS OF “LEE HARVEY OSWALD!”

6. In the Bolton Ford incident, which occurred on 1/20/61, while CLASSIC LHO was in Russia, Fred Sewell indicated that the man who identified himself as “Lee Oswald” wanted to buy trucks for the Friends of Democratic Cuba. Sewell wrote both “Oswald” and “Friends of Democratic Cuba” on the sales proposal. Do you really think there were two, completely unrelated “Lee Oswalds” associated with “Friends of Democratic Cuba?

"In the Bolton Ford incident, which occurred on 1/20/61, while CLASSIC LHO was in Russia, Fred Sewell indicated that the man who identified himself as “Lee Oswald” wanted to buy trucks for the Friends of Democratic Cuba."

But Steven Gaal is trying to convince me that he was being kept under lock and key in a safe-house in Dallas during the time 'Harvey' was in Russia.

If so, why was he allowed out to go and spill his name all over the place thus contaminating the whole elaborate plot? If he wasn't being kept in a "safe-house" then there must be some proof somewhere showing which addresses he lived at during this period. Find that and you may have something, at the moment it is just childish fantasy land.

Your position is this... "There is no proof or even a report of an address so therefore he must have been kept in a safe-house". But that will now change. It has to. How else do you explain this sighting and the utter stupidity of him being there? And was it confirmed whether at the Bolton Ford sighting this Oswald actually looked like the historic Oswald? Did they look alike? If yes then that makes this plot beyond science fiction. It is impossible that two teenagers both picked for a long term project, both unrelated, could grow through adolescence and emerge almost identical; identical enough to create the Bolton Ford incident at any rate. If he didn't look like Oswald...What have you got?

What all this proves is that you guys haven't got a clue; you're just blindly throwing darts at the board.

Everyone knows you cannot address the above answers without recourse to abuse. I don' t expect any answers anyway because there aren't any!

Bernie,

I'm a little nauseous.

I can feel another Gaal data dump coming on.

Must be something I ate.

--Tommy :sun

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It is all meaningless gibberish!

You wrote... in late 1962 (see pp. 6-7, (follow-up at pp. 16-18) The ID of Hernandez was made years later and is admittedly shaky. The ID of Oswald is more substantive, as he id'd himself to the police as an FPCC member - but he was living in the Dallas area.

So? What does this prove?

I asked for proof of 'Lee's' whereabouts during the time 'Harvey' was in Russia and you send me that???? // Laverick quote

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CLICK THE BLUE 1962 above and you will be taken to the BAYLOR UNIVERSITY ARMSTRONG FILES.

You will see Oct 15,1959-June 11,1962 then CLICK ON THE DOWNLOAD BUTTON BOX on the right. YOU WILL DOWN LOAD A PDF FILE (41810 pdf).

After download you will see COVER SHEET BOX 16 Notebook 2 TAB 79 Charles Noto.

GO TO Pages 9,11,12,14 and 16. see interviews by Sciambra of Noto

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

NOTO IS SURE THE ARRESTS HAPPENED IN 1961 ...when Harvey is in RUSSIA. thanks gaal

Edited by Steven Gaal

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It is all meaningless gibberish!

You wrote... in late 1962 (see pp. 6-7, (follow-up at pp. 16-18) The ID of Hernandez was made years later and is admittedly shaky. The ID of Oswald is more substantive, as he id'd himself to the police as an FPCC member - but he was living in the Dallas area.

So? What does this prove?

I asked for proof of 'Lee's' whereabouts during the time 'Harvey' was in Russia and you send me that???? // Laverick quote

=================================================================================

CLICK THE BLUE 1962 above and you will be taken to the BAYLOR UNIVERSITY ARMSTRONG FILES.

You will see Oct 15,1959-June 11,1962 then CLICK ON THE DOWNLOAD BUTTON BOX on the right. YOU WILL DOWN LOAD A PDF FILE (41810 pdf).

After download you will see COVER SHEET BOX 16 Notebook 2 TAB 79 Charles Noto.

GO TO Pages 9,11,12,14and 16. see interviews by Sciambra of Noto

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

NOTO IS SURE THE ARRESTS HAPPENED IN 1961 ...when Harvey is in RUSSIA. thanks gaal

Smooth movement, Steven!

Actually one of your more coherent posts.

Nicely done.

Feel better now?

--Tommy :sun

Edited by Thomas Graves

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It is all meaningless gibberish!

You wrote... in late 1962 (see pp. 6-7, (follow-up at pp. 16-18) The ID of Hernandez was made years later and is admittedly shaky. The ID of Oswald is more substantive, as he id'd himself to the police as an FPCC member - but he was living in the Dallas area.

So? What does this prove?

I asked for proof of 'Lee's' whereabouts during the time 'Harvey' was in Russia and you send me that???? // Laverick quote

=================================================================================

CLICK THE BLUE 1962 above and you will be taken to the BAYLOR UNIVERSITY ARMSTRONG FILES.

You will see Oct 15,1959-June 11,1962 then CLICK ON THE DOWNLOAD BUTTON BOX on the right. YOU WILL DOWN LOAD A PDF FILE (41810 pdf).

After download you will see COVER SHEET BOX 16 Notebook 2 TAB 79 Charles Noto.

GO TO Pages 9,11,12,14 and 16. see interviews by Sciambra of Noto

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

NOTO IS SURE THE ARRESTS HAPPENED IN 1961 ...when Harvey is in RUSSIA. thanks gaal

Smooth movement, Steven!

Actually one of your more coherent posts.

Nicely done.

Feel better now?

--Tommy :sun

MUCH BETTER !! THANKS !!!! See familiar JFK assassination names below. ,gaal

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Newman, John. Oswald and the CIA

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see link http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2013/05/newman-on-fpcc.html

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"In early 1961, eleven weeks before the Bay of Pigs invasion, the CIA seized an opportunity to become more actively involved in running operations against the FPCC. CIA Security Office and Western Hemisphere elements identified an Agency employee who knew Court Wood, an American student just returned from Cuba under the sponsorship of the FPCC. This opportunity to surveil Curt Wood, which developed at the end of January, was irresistible in the judgment of the person in the CIA’s Security Research Service (SRS) of the Security Office who conceived and authorized the operation. That person was James McCord, the same James McCord who would later become embroiled in the scandal during the Nixon Presidency.

On February 1, 1961, McCord met with people from Western Hemisphere Division to discuss the "case" of an Agency employee who happened to be Court Wood’s neighbor and former high school classmate. At issue was whether to use this employee operationally to extract information from Wood. The employee, conveniently, worked in WH/4, the very branch that McCord wanted to run the illegal domestic operation he had in mind. The memo of record for this meeting states the following:

On this date Subject’s case was coordinated with Mr. McCord of SRS in connection with Subject’s operational use within the US byWH/4/Propaganda. The implications of a CI operation with[in] the US by this Agency and the possibility of Subject might come to the attention of the FBI through association with Court Wood were discussed.

Mr. McCord expressed the opinion that it was not necessary to advise the FBI of the operation at this time. However, he wishes to review the case in a month. The file of the Subject, along with that of the WH man who is supervising the operation (David Atlee Phillips #40695) will be pended [suspended] for the attention of Mr. McCord on 1 March 1961."

Edited by Steven Gaal

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