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  1. The film in the archives is in 7 pieces from 6 splices. The film in the archives does NOT have 0183 stamped on any part of it. The film in the archives adds up to more than 45 feet of film from a Side B with 30 feet of actual film The film discussed in the WCR was 33 seconds long. Where is the rest of the "unaltered original" after being spliced and reattached 6 times if this is the in-camera original? Why does Max Philipps refer to "4" total copies in his letter to Rowley, below? Yet Zapruder was in possession of the "original" and "the BEST copy". 2 films Sorrels was given 2 copies... (1 goes to FBI) that's now 4 total films. "The third print is forwarded". 5 total films... and I believe explains the missing 0184 seen by Dino, from which the real boards were made and lost to history. Can any member here can tell us where the film which arrived on Rowley's desk in the hours after midnight, went? We all know it was in DC and seen that night... but then as I see it, that's the end of that film's trail. Wasn't it SS agents who brought the "films" to NPIC that weekend? Bill Smith?
  2. Not trying to steal Mr. Willis' thunder, but I've been talking about this very thing for many years. What always got me was his own admission of his 37 year knowledge of every corner in Dallas... Neches was not some random mistake. And there is no Neches & Beckley, of course. Thanks for bringing it up again Don... Mr. WHALEY. You name an intersection in the city of Dallas and I will tell you what is on all four corners. Mr. BALL. Did you stop and let your passenger out on this run on the north or south side of the intersection? Mr. WHALEY. On the north side, sir. Mr. BALL. North side? Mr. WHALEY. Yes. Mr. BALL. That would be-- Mr. WHALEY. Northwest corner. Mr. BALL. Northwest corner of Neches and Beckley? Mr. WHALEY. Northwest corner of Neches and Beckley.
  3. FWIW, Dean was the Sgt who basically cleared the darkened parking area of police/reserves allowing Ruby to walk unbothered up to his spot near Croy only a minute or so before they brought Oswald to him. And then supported/promoted the "he came down the ramp" story. I wouldn't doubt he was lying and that Alyea was correct. Just to remember tho, many cops looked the same during this time, they hired a "type".
  4. I thru that out there a while back right around when others were thinking the same thoughts. If that's provably Shelley, that's one long nail for the coffin. Would you agree there's a big different between "working for" and "useable asset". CIA assets produce reports which are then summarized in reports higher up the chain. Have you any indication/sources for your opinion that TRULY was ever considered or used as an asset; even moreso to support his working for them? As to LHO "working for" the CIA as opposed to being an asset... that too - for me at least - would require a bit more corroboration.
  5. She was also never shown the application she supposedly worked on, with our man Oswald's photos.
  6. Vague Leslie? as well as her sister... Or the Shooting range on the 28th, in Dallas.? Mr. LIEBELER. Well, do you have any doubts in your mind after looking at these pictures (links below) that the man that was in your apartment was the same man as Lee Harvey Oswald? Mrs. ODIO. I don't have any doubts. Mr. LIEBELER. Did your sister see the men? Mrs. ODIO. She saw the three of them. Mr. LIEBELER. Have you discussed this with her since that time? Mrs. ODIO. I just had to discuss it because it was bothering me. I just had to know. Mr. LIEBELER. Did she think it was Oswald? Mrs. ODIO. Well, her reaction to it when Oswald came on television, she almost passed out on me, just like I did the day at work when I learned about the assassination of the President. Her reaction was so obvious that it was him, I mean. And my reaction, we remember Oswald the day he came to my house because he had not shaved and he had a kind of a very, I don't know how to express it, but some little hairs like if you haven't shaved, but it is not a thick moustache, but some kind of shadow. That is something I noticed. And he was wearing--the other ones were wearing white dirty shirts, but he was wearing a long sleeved shirt. Mr. LIEBELER. What kind of shirt was it, a white shirt? Mrs. ODIO. No; it was either green or blue, and he had it rolled up to here. Mr. LIEBELER. Almost to his elbows? Mrs. ODIO. No; less than that, just the ends of the sleeves. Mr. LIEBELER. Did he have a tie? Mrs. ODIO. No tie. Mr. LIEBELER. Was it a sport shirt, or working shirt? Mrs. ODIO. He had it open. I don't know if he had a collar or not, but it was open. And the other one had a white undershirt. One of them was very hairy. Where was I? I just want to remember everything. Mr. LIEBELER. You mentioned when your sister saw Oswald's picture on television that she almost passed out. Did she recognize him, do you know, as the man that had been in the apartment? Mrs. ODIO. She said, "Sylvia, you know that man?" And I said, "Yes," and she said, "I know him." "He was the one that came to our door, and it couldn't be so, could it?" Mr. LIEBELER. Did you tell Father McKann that the name Oswald was never used in your presence by any of these men? Mrs. ODIO. Never was used except to introduce me, and the time when they left. They did not refer to him as Oswald. Mr. LIEBELER. But they did in fact, introduce him as Leon Oswald? Mrs. ODIO. And I shook hands with him. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you pass out as soon as you had heard that the President had been shot? Mrs. ODIO. No; when I started thinking about it. Mr. LIEBELER. Had you heard that Oswald was involved in it before you passed out? Mrs. ODIO. Can I say something off the record? Mr. LIEBELER. Yes. (Witness talks off the record.) Mr. LIEBELER. At this point let's go back on the record. You indicated that you thought perhaps the three men who had come to your apartment had something to do with the assassination? Mrs. ODIO. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. I show you a photograph that has been marked as Bringuier Exhibit No. 1, and ask you if you can identify anybody in that photograph? Mrs. ODIO. That is Oswald. Mr. LIEBELER With the X? Mrs. ODIO. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you recognize anybody else in the picture? Mrs. ODIO. No. (B Exh #1 in the WCR is very dark... you can't make out that that may be William Shelley in the dark suit.) Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any doubt that that man with the green line over his head in Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-B Was the man who was in your apartment? Mrs. ODIO. Well, if it is not, it is his twin. Mr. LIEBELER. Now, I show you a photograph that has been marked Garner Exhibit No. I https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137#relPageId=24 and ask you if you recognize that man. Mrs. ODIO. That is Oswald. Mr. LIEBELER. Is that the man who was in your apartment? Mrs. ODIO. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Are you sure? Mrs. ODIO. He doesn't have the little thing, the little moustache that he had that day. He looks shaved there, and he did not look shaved that day. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you think this man in Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-C is Lee Harvey Oswald? Mrs. ODIO. Yes; I think that is him. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you think that is the man that was in your apartment? Mrs. ODIO. Well, let me say something. I think this man was the one that was in my apartment. I am not too sure of that picture. He didn't look like this. He was smiling that day. He was more smiling than in this picture.
  7. @Benjamin Cole This is testimony from one of the Aussie women supposedly having talked to Oswald on a bus. Her travel itinerary makes it impossible for her to have seen Oswald.. and by definition with Bowen, he said there were no englich speaking people on the buses he was on... The McFarland's were English, as well. Line 18 was for Mrs McFarland. This kind of notation was for the traveling companion.. suggesting that Bowen too was traveling with someone. Mr. BALL. And they showed you pictures of Oswald, didn't they; Lee Harvey Oswald? Miss MUMFORD. No. Mr. BALL. You didn't ever see a picture of Oswald? Miss MUMFORD. No.
  8. I realize my work on MX is quite long and spread over 5 chapters... The manager, maids, and related service people at the hotel in which the FBI placed him via their asset OCHOA are reported upon, some of which I discuss, and we find the same inconclusive results including the 1 small brown zippered travel bag. The story of the "taxi" comes to mind. And that the FBI/CIA reports having him checking out the night before all this supposedly occurs. FWIW
  9. I'm not understanding the reluctance to accept the KGB/Russian members/participants/undercover-staff simply parroted the lies presented by the CIA and WCR to the world for any one of a number of reasons including the the I elude to below. Do either of you think the Russians did not have their own cameras on their own buildings? If he was there in the manner presented, (like at the window pulling the trigger), the attempt to find evidence of the "truth" would not be so difficult in an honest investigation. None of that is involved in this case. None of it. Are you of the opinion that the KGB was not aware of the machinations in setting up and performing the assassination itself, or the French, Germans, English intel services for that matter...??? - and that it would be in their best interest to do what they said they did in the released document related to MX given to Clinton? @Benjamin Cole What possible advantage or purpose is served by the KGB telling the truth and insisting they confirm he was NOT there in the face of the WCR, CIA, FBI, and HSCA/Lopez report? As I see it, none. By simply agreeing to whatever the "story" was - the likelihood of exposure of investigation into anything would be curtailed. If he was there at any point in time... how is it we don't have tapes/transcripts/reports of these key Russians mentioning him or even referencing someone who could be him, in any of the CIA surveillance? "Oswald, notwithstanding the holiday schedule,... spoke to a Consul" CIA says he's not there... when they could have FBI said he wasn't there, when they could have. Instead, while knowing he wasn't there - again, in the manner of which we are aware - these reports with a supporting report could have easily done so. But it doesn't.
  10. As a reminder, we discussed the one document from Clinton from Russia that says they are to reaffirm what the press had been asserting... and that afterwards he no longer contacted the Soviet embassy Ben, if he actually contacted them/him, this occurs not only on Friday the 27th, but Saturday the 28th, and Tuesday the 1st of October. "no longer contacted..." Does that change anything about the strength of their validity? MEXICO TO THE SOVIET AMBASSADOR 665. I agree with you that you should visit the MFA of Mexico (the minister or his deputy) and say, referring to reports in the press, that Oswald requested the consular division of the Soviet embassy in Mexico for a visa to enter the USSR, that the procedure for obtaining entry visas was explained to him at the consular division, and that afterwards he no longer contacted the Soviet embassy
  11. Or, unbelievable as it may seem, he lied to stay on the right side of history.
  12. No Ben, he did not. Simply read that specific transcript again Ben. The person on the Russian side of call is the one who introduces KOSTIKOV into the conversation. The Oswald character responds "Yes" to a different question than related to Kostikov. Also interesting is the huge number of "cc's" for that memo mentioning Kostikov; one of which going to I&NS and an asset of HOSTY's... Jeff Woosley.... this dissemination of info in this manner, I see, as part of the project related to what Simpich is talking about. The Marked HENRY card and where it that info flows. Below is an image of LEONOV (Ivanov is actually crossed out). I don't believe at all that he was used by or mistaken by anyone in US intelligence and was always known for who he was.
  13. @Benjamin Cole From Sept 27th until the YMCA on Oct 3rd/4th, and understanding that Oswald was not in Mexico as described by the investigation, we don't really know where he was, exactly. As there is no evidence other than the obvious that places him in/around Dallas during that week. If he was flown in and out of Mexico to have a meeting at the Luna Hotel about 20 mins south of the Embassies area; And is only in MX for a day or at most overnight for this meeting and actually does attend the Rave party... and is returned to Dallas by the 1st... there is no evidence in the bogus MX journey/stay in MX - or any evidence from Dallas that precludes this from occurring. The CiD notebook's suggestion of this meet and the substantiation from those in the Cobb/Davis extended circle, again, does not contradict the conclusions about the travel and call evidence I arrived at in my research, so I think it prudent to no longer discount the possibility... but not without this big concern: Why have the meeting at all, why in MX when these key players were all together in New Orleans not long before this time. What is so meaningful or significant of THIS meeting at THAT time... and what actions result from said meeting. If he's already being flown in.. wouldn't a photo of him have been important to help the incrimination? If you can create bogus calls and transcripts, why can't you put a photo of him in MX into the mix and solidify your position against him to back the phone calls? But that didn't happen. He wasn't PROVEN to be in MX at all... and the long redacted and suppressed LITAMIL/9 reports - when finally released and to my satisfaction - supported the notion he was not there.
  14. Oswald was - in my understanding - not personally involved with any of the evidence we have related to Mexico City. If indeed Oswald was in Mexico during that time, which I am not discounting anymore, he was elsewhere with none of the activities described in the entirety of the evidence related to Mexico City being real - based on what I know at this point in time of the documented evidence. During the course of the time when these tapes were supposed to have been created... Sept 27-Oct 3, those down there working on behalf of the CIA, in order to falsely accuse Oswald, had to know he never did any of the things that surfaced, they had stories to tell and maintain. If it turns out Oswald was at the Duran Party as a result of his doing something else down there, I'd be very surprised but again, not so egregious an act and one which adds the tiny bit of truth to a completely false situation... something that occurred repeatedly within false, incriminatory evidence so that a sliver of truth could be pointed to and not refuted. I'd ask you please to go back up to the top of this page and re-read my post. I explain myself, I thought, and asked very specific question which I would like to hear your responses to: So I have to ask Ben... what does LHO being an FBI or CIA asset mean to you? How does it change/enhance the conspiracy to implicate him? I mean it's one thing to just say he was a CIA asset... I'm asking "So what"? Looking carefully at 10/8 thru 11/22. What is the ripple effect and who is it most affecting? Why does the FBI produce a mountain of conflicting paper to hide the fact they knew he wasn't there? Why, when they learn one avenue of travel was not possible, they simply drop it for the next logical one? I mean you did read thru that report I posted... the result being "find another that DOES get him there on time". The "planting operation" I refer to is that portion of whatever was going on down there which necessitated the insertion of false intelligence regarding Oswald for whatever purposes it served to those who employed it - separate and distinct from the implications related to the assassination. The activities which are described by the study of CIA/FBI/DFS/and multitudes of different country's intelligence personnel in one of the most highly concentrated centers of spycraft in the world at the time, did not have very much to do with the assassination of JFK. The "implication of Oswald to relate to Cuba/Russia" was only a Phase 1 activity related to the assassination... but as I see it, this was not nearly the most important of the reasons Lee Henry Oswald was introduced into Mexico at that exact time. I believe one have to read deep into the work of Bill Simpich with the flavoring of Scott, Newman and so many others and then reread them with new and different eyes and perspectives before one can state with any confidence they have an understanding of what was happening. Mexico City, like Oswald himself, is an enigma... as I see it. I feel strongly what appears connected, is not. Which is why I find Mexico a much harder puzzle for which to find the right pieces to construct an accurate image.
  15. I will have to use your wonderful question to further illustrate why I feel he was never on the bus. We must also remember that not one of Oswald's items of clothing was the size of this jacket. They never had him try it on, and no one corroborates that it was his jacket, ever. Mr. WHALEY. I thank that is the jacket he had on when he rode with me in the cab. Mr. BALL. Look something like it? And here is Commission Exhibit No. 163, does this look like anything he had on? Mr. WHALEY. He had this one on or the other one. Mr. BALL. That is right. Mr. WHALEY. That is what I told you I noticed. I told you about the shirt being open, he had on the two jackets with the open shirt. Mr. BALL. Wait a minute, we have got the shirt which you have identified as the rust brown shirt with the gold stripe in it. Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. You said that a jacket-- Mr. WHALEY. That jacket now it might have been clean, but the jacket he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he had this coat here on over that other jacket, I am sure, sir. Mr. BALL. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket. Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. This is the jacket claimed to have been found after the fact in the TSBD lunchroom. Neat trick huh? Having changed clothes, he stowed the "work" clothes in the bottom drawer of the dresser in his room. Turner Ex 1 below... after all the clothes then other inventory found... the button-down work shirt and faded grey pants are listed. CE151 is the button-down shirt he wore to work, and not the shirt he was wearing when he fought and had the buttons torn off WCR Ex below CE 150 Also note that of the 455 items returned by the FBI, for some reason they stopped numbering them before this shirt, despite CE151 having FBI's initials on it Mr. BALL - Now, what color shirt did he have on? Mrs. BLEDSOE - He had a brown shirt. Mr. BALL - And unraveled? Mrs. BLEDSOE - Hole in his sleeve right here [indicating]. Mr. BALL - Which is the elbow of the sleeve? That is, you pointed to the elbow? Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, it is. Mr. BALL - And that would be which elbow, right or left elbow? Mrs. BLEDSOE - Right. Mr. BALL - Did he have anything on. Was the shirt open or was it buttoned? Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; all the buttons torn off. Mr. BALL - What did he have on underneath that? Mrs. BLEDSOE - I don't know. Mr. BALL - Do you know the color of any undershirt he had on? Mrs. BLEDSOE - No. Mr. BALL - Notice the color of his pants? Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes, they were gray, and they were all ragged in here [indicating].
  16. Travel restrictions in Cuba began in 1962 when President John F. Kennedy placed sanctions as a response to actions of the Cuban government. Since then, the U.S. forbade its citizens from traveling to Cuba by law President Kennedy enacted the Cuban Assets Control Regulations on July 8, 1963. Its authority comes from the Trading with the Enemy Act, passed in 1917, which gives the President the authority to allow or deny property transfers between the United States and citizens of enemy nations. In 1950, the Department of Treasury established the Office of Foreign Assets Control in order to administer and enforce economic sanctions consistent with the Trading with the Enemy Act.[3] The Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) has the authority to regulate and amend the CACR to be consistent with the policies and goals of the executive administration. The Regulations prohibit any person subject to U.S. jurisdiction from dealing in any property in which Cuba or a Cuban national has an interest. All property of Cuba and Cuban nationals in the possession or control of persons subject to U.S. jurisdiction is "blocked." Blocking is a "complete prohibition against transfers or transactions of any kind."[4] Payments, transfers, withdrawals, or other dealings are prohibited with regard to blocked property unless authorized by the Treasury Department.[4] Except as specifically authorized by the Secretary of the Treasury, the Cuban Assets Control Regulations prohibited all transactions dealing with property in which Cuba has any interest in whatsoever, direct or indirect.[5][4] The Regulations allow the Office of Foreign Assets Control to interpret these "trade" regulations to cover not just standard trade between nations, but also to extend to travel-related expenditures that effectively make it illegal for an individual to travel to Cuba.[6][7] 698. Is travel to Cuba for tourist activities permitted? No. Consistent with the Trade Sanctions Reform and Export Enhancement Act of 2000 (TSRA), travel-related transactions involving Cuba are only permitted for the 12 categories of activities identified in the CACR. Travel-related transactions for other purposes remain prohibited. Released on November 8, 2017. https://ofac.treasury.gov/faqs/topic/1541 https://ofac.treasury.gov/faqs/topic/1501 The transcripts from the call from the morning of the 27th were in Spanish and spoke of Odessa. (found page 1 of the Slawson memo where he talks of being worried about the CIA's concerns over their transcripts and the dropping of ODESSA from the discussion.) Only the "wasn't Oswald's voice, wasn't Oswald" transcripts of the 28th, and 1st (provably manufactured and planted and not Duran or Oswald) were attributing the desire to go thru Cuba to Russia... again, this is the reason the calls on the morning of the 27th were downplayed and relegated 2nd class status... the calls were so different from the others... and in the wrong language. The Tarasoffs also play a critical role which I've written about here on the forum. Near the end of the PDS interview below: A: I've said all along there were two phases to the early cover-up: false stories linking Oswald to Cuba and Soviet Union and phase two, which substituted the myth of Oswald as the KGB assassin with the story that he was a lone nut, which is no more true than the phase one story, but was a lot less likely to risk World War III. If this was what you were saying earlier in our discussion, and I misunderstood, I apologize. I understood phase 1 MX - which were all lies after the fact - to purely set up phase 2, the lone nut, so that the first layer of the onion was false Communist connections... not that these countries were really to blame. (and even still, these were all false layers of the conspiratorial onion with the actual perpetration of the assassination coming from - in my opinion - a different direction completely). I think this memo, Like Redlich's in April, remains one of the most underexposed examples of what was going on between the CIA, the WC and the lawyers. Oswald hijacking a plane to Cuba? ...for me it puts what Specter did with the SBT in a whole new light. There would/could be no limit to what could be said or done to implicate Oswald alone. CONSPIRACY / Mob Connections SEX, DRUGS, AND JFK: The NEW TIMES Interview* Peter Dale Scott [Editor's Note: During an interview with Russ Tarby for NEW TIMES, Peter Dale Scott, who has been called "the Dean of the Research Community", traces many underworld connections between the Kennedys and the mob but also includes links to J. Edgar Hoover and his techniques for blackmailing prominent politicians.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Our most nagging national nightmare unfolded on an otherwise glorious autumn afternoon. After a misty morning in Dallas, the sun finally emerged on Nov. 22, 1963, its warm rays belying the darkness that enveloped Dealey Plaza as John Fitzgerald Kennedy's presidential motorcade approached. After 33 years, two federal investigations, scores of conspiracy conferences, some 2,500 books and several films, the darkness still dominates. For many Americans, the myth of Camelot casts a rosy pallor over the grim realities of the early 1960s. Renegade historian Peter Dale Scott, however, refuses to perpetuate myths. He applies a unique, behind-the-scenes approach--a probe into what he calls "deep politics"--to shed new light on the myriad forces that combined to commit and cover up the Crime of the Century. Scott, a poet and professor of English at the University of California in Berkeley, has emerged as the world's foremost expert on the political context of the JFK assassination. A former Canadian diplomat with a Ph.D. in political science, Scott began studying the president's murder in 1969. While researching a book on the Vietnam War (The War Conspiracy, Bobbs Merrill, New York, 1972), he discovered a crucial shift in U.S. war policy followed within 48 hours of Kennedy's killing. Although controversial at the time, Scott's analysis of the war's escalation was recently verified by the published memoirs of JFK Defense Secretary Robert McNamara. Standing head and shoulders above your stereotypical conspiracy theorists, the 67-year-old author exemplifies a new breed of Warren Commission critics. He's not the type who sees gun-toting badmen lurking in the bushes in snapshots of the Grassy Knoll. He doesn't bother much with the obvious inconsistencies of the Magic Bullet Theory or the botched autopsy evidence. Instead, Scott immerses himself--and readers of his current paperback Deep Politics and the Death of JFK (University of California Press, Berkeley, 413 pages, $14.95)--in the netherworld where organized crime and government join forces to achieve common goals. With pit bull tenacity, Scott doggedly chases documents hidden away in Washington and elsewhere to follow the movements of military intelligence, the FBI and the CIA as these officials interface with foreign operatives and domestic insurgents alike. He may not analyze the trajectory of the bullets that hailed down on the president's Lincoln convertible that day, but he does analyze the intelligence backgrounds of each Dallas Police officer riding in the motorcade's lead automobile. He does delve deeply into Jack Ruby's checkered career and his connections to the police, to the Mafia, to corrupt labor unions, and to wealthy Texas businessmen. He does analyze a century's worth of drug smuggling, gun-running and corruption in Central America's banana republics. He knows who was trafficking heroin and who was running the big craps games in Texas. He knows who was sharing the booty--and inside information--with local cops and federal investigators. And he knows who was sleeping with who, who was wiretapping who and who was blackmailing who. "One of the most under-reported political topics is the extent to which prostitution in Washington has been the key to ongoing corruption and scandal in that city," he writes in Deep Politics. And, using meticulous scholarship and dozens of first-hand sources, he discusses the women that the Mafia supplied to the Kennedy brothers, and how the mob and FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover wiretapped those sexual liaisons for extortion purposes. Such topics, rarely considered by conventional historians, are the essence of Scott's deep political analysis. "I define deep politics as all those political practices and arrangements, deliberate or not, which are usually repressed rather than acknowledged," he writes. "Sometimes the secret is an open one, as when a particular city knows that its cops are on the take, or a nation knows that its parties have completely thwarted the intentions of campaign-financing laws. But some secrets are more closely held." Such as the secrets surrounding the JFK hit. Ever since 1979, when the House Select Committee on Assassinations reported JFK was probably killed as a result of a conspiracy, many writers have explored the alliance between Mafia leaders and the CIA in a plot to murder Cuban dictator Fidel Castro. But Scott goes much further, tracing the mob's government ties back to World War II's "Operation Underworld," which evolved into a government-protected narcotics business overseen by people such as Lucky Luciano and Meyer Lansky. And he goes even further in Lee Harvey Oswald's hometown of New Orleans, tracing the nefarious activities of that city's fruit conglomerates, dockworkers unions and Mafiosi all the way back to the 1880s. Scott's analysis of the corruption of Central America by U.S. fruit companies and the CIA led him to co-write a book with San Francisco Chronicle journalist Jonathan Marshall about more recent government-protected drug dealing. Cocaine Politics: Drugs, Armies and the CIA in Central America (1991, University of California Press), was cited as a primary source for the San Jose Mercury's August 1996 expose of how the CIA funded Nicaraguan Contra rebels by allowing cocaine traffickers to operate in California cities. That story then became a hot topic on the Internet, and the revelations inflamed the African-American community, which has long suspected government acquiescence in the proliferation of freebase cocaine in the country's inner cities. At the Fourth Decade Conference on the JFK assassination, staged at SUNY Fredonia in July just before the CIA/cocaine story hit the mainstream media, Scott delivered the keynote speech, discussing many avenues of research on the president's murder. One of those dark avenues converges with the CIA/cocaine/Contra conspiracy. Scott focused on newly released documents from the Assassination Records Review Board detailing surveillance of Oswald's alleged trip to Mexico City in late September 1963. Mexico's secret police worked for the CIA by spying on people who made contact with the Cuban and Soviet consulates in Mexico City in 1963, and they also played key roles in drug smuggling during the 1970s and '80s. Peter Dale Scott spoke at length with The New Times about his wide-ranging research into our nation's deep politics. Here are some of his insights. Q According to your research, the Mexican secret police played crucial roles in both Oswald's alleged trip to Mexico in late September 1963 and in the CIA/cocaine conspiracy os the 1980s. What's the connection? A: The secret police in Mexico, from World War II to 1985 were called the Direcion Federal de Seguridad (DFS), the Federal Directorate of Security. With respect to the drug problem, by the 1980s the DFS was in effect taxing, regulating and almost administrating the drug traffic in Mexico. The DFS chief had successfully persuaded the major traffickers to relocate to Guadalajara, and that became the so-called Guadalajara Cartel, enjoying a good relationship to the CIA because they were giving money to the {Nicaraguan} Contras and apparently even training Contras in Mexico. The DFS had CIA guidance. Since the late 1940s, all of the DFS chiefs were CIA assets. {In the early 1980s,} DFS head Miguel Nazar Haro was about to be indicted in San Diego as part of the largest stolen car ring in North America--more than 4,000 hot autos moving across the border from the U.S. into Mexico--but the CIA intervened, saying, "You mustn't indict this man because he's our most important asset in Mexico and one of our most important in Latin America." That encapsulates the problem we've had with drugs, and also gives us serious insight into what happened in the Kennedy assassination. All the drug traffickers in Mexico operated with impunity because they all carried little DFS passes, prompting someone in the DEA to say that having a DFS pass was virtually a license to traffic in Mexico. The name DFS is gone--there were too many scandals in the 1980s--but the organization is still there under another name and is suspected in several recent assassinations in Mexico. Q: What was the role of the DFS, the Mexican secret police, in the 1963 Kennedy assassination? A: The DFS played a much more active role in generating the information--some might say the disinformation--about Oswald's supposed visit to Mexico in September-October 1963. Everyone said that the CIA monitored Oswald's phone calls from the Cuban consulate, and the reality is that--although the thing was set up by the CIA--the actually monitoring was done by the DFS, as was the photography {of people entering and exiting the consulate}. So we end up with a false phone call involving Lee Harvey Oswald on Sept. 28. We also have photograph of somebody--an older, heavy set man--who was identified as someone who called himself Oswald but clearly was not our Oswald. I've been telling the Assassinations Records Review Board (ARRB), which was established by the JFK Records Act, that they should push hard on the Mexican government to release their records about the assassination. Q: What's your relationship with the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB). Will the board continue to function after its legislation runs out in October 1997? A: I'm grateful for whatever they release, and undeniably they have released some interesting information. The CIA has released a great deal of information itself. The problem is with agencies which haven't seen the light and come clean--starting with the FBI and including the military--there hasn't been any real progress there. The style in Washington is not to rock the boat too much. It's quite clear that with some agencies, we're not going to get the documents unless the review board is quite adversarial and uses subpoena powers. One of the big things they should do is take officers who participated in a cover-up back in 1963 and interview those people, if necessary depose them under oath and probably do it publicly in order to scare these people into cooperating. But it's a lame duck board in a way, and I don't think they'll act aggressively unless there is some outpouring of public opinion. Q: In Deep Politics, you indicate that Chicago mobster Sam Giancana and Jack Ruby--who was originally from Chicago--both were involved in drug trafficking via Mexico. A: There has been an important drug connection between Mexico and the city of Chicago going back to the 1940s, when there was a very major opium and heroin operation--now it's chiefly cocaine, but in those days it was chiefly opium and heroin. Ruby was obviously involved in the major opium bust in 1947. The fact that the old Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) didn't go after him suggests to me that he was probably an FBN informant. And in the 1950s, a very good FBI informant told them that Jack Ruby was the person you had to get the OK from to run drug deals from Mexico through Dallas. Those two facts often go together: the informant is also the connection, because an informant is in a position to say which deals will go through and not be arrested. Those deals he doesn't approve of, he tells the police, and there's an arrest. Three or four Dallas policemen have told us Ruby was their informant on narcotics matters. We know he was. What has not been conceded, but I think it's probably true, that he was an informant on the federal level as well. Which would've made him quite an important guy. Q: Who in Chicago was most interested in this Mexican drug connection? A: The Mafia had mixed feelings about drugs--they seemed to feel it was all right to deal drugs in foreign countries but maybe not here in the United States. But Sam Giancana focused on international activities. He was very active in Mexico, and eventually went to live in Mexico, where he spent most of his last years before he came back and was killed in Chicago. Giancana's sidekick, Richard Cain, traveled all over the world for him, mostly setting up casinos. Now casinos and drugs go together. Couriers go from casino to casino, they handle the drugs, and the money can be laundered by being bet and lost on a roulette wheel. So it's a pretty common symbiosis, whether it's Lebanon or Havana or Las Vegas. Q: In Deep Politics you identify Tony Zoppi--who was Ruby's alibi for 12:30 in the afternoon on Nov. 22, 1963--as a major casino guy. A: Well, he became a major casino guy. He was sort of one even at the time, because {as a columnist for the Dallas Morning News}, he wrote about what was going on in the nightclubs, so he was part of that milieu. He ended up as an employee of a Las Vegas casino, in fact a notorious Chicago-owned casino, the Riviera. Q: Another casino operator was Jack Ruby's old buddy Lewis McWillie, who was interviewed by the FBI two days before the assassination, something about Giancana's secret ownership of a Lake Tahoe casino called the Cal/Neva Lodge. A: McWillie--who'd previously worked at Meyer Lansky's Tropicana casino in Havana--worked at the Cal/Neva Lodge in 1963, and we know that the FBI was closing in on Giancana in 1963. And yes, he was interviewed by the FBI, in Las Vegas, on Nov. 20, 1963, but we don't know enough about why they were interviewing him. They did establish that he'd worked at the Cal/Neva, where Marilyn Monroe often met with Giancana. The House Assassinations Committee heard evidence that Ruby visited Las Vegas in the weeks prior to the assassination, and if he did, it was certainly to see McWillie, and it was also rumored he saw {Johnny} Rosselli at that time. Q: In their book Double Cross, by Sam Giancana's relatives Sam and Chuck Giancana, they depict the mobster hosting both Kennedy brothers for sex parties in the cabins at the Cal/Neva Lodge sometime in 1960. A: That's very probable. There was clearly a very strong link between the Cal/Neva Lodge and old Joe Kennedy {the president's father}. He got his Christmas tree every year from the Cal/Neva Lodge. Q: The longer you look at the JFK hit, the more Ruby keeps popping up everywhere. On the surface he seems a sleazy gangster wanna-be running a strip show, but he turns out to be a central figure in the assassination. A: I've always argued that Ruby was a much more important person. The house committee admitted that, yes, he was a mob figure but he was a two-bit punk or that sort of thing. But he was a police connection, and that's a very important part of mob activity. The reason the mob's so powerful in Chicago is they've always had someone like {master wiretapper} Richard Cain who was a policeman, once head of investigations for the Sheriff of Cook County. In other words, he was a senior law enforcement official, there but he was also a made member of the mob and very close to Giancana. He was also a top, top informant for William Roemer, who was the FBI's chief mob man in Chicago, and Cain was one of Roemer's best friends. A big disappointment for me was that the house committee totally suppressed--and virtually lied--about Ruby's relationship to the Dallas police. Especially as an informant, Ruby embodies that link between government and crime. Q: As the operator of the Carousel Club, Ruby obviously rubbed elbows with B-girls and prostitutes. Deep Politics also depicts Ruby in some pretty high-class company, perhaps running gambling operations and girls, for some Texas oil men, and the Dallas-based Great Southwest Corporation. A: One documented case, not mentioned in the book, centered on a Galveston millionaire named Shearn Moody who was famous for holding huge sex parties at his home, and this man's name was in Ruby's address book. So yeah, he definitely knew at least some of these millionaires. Moody's family insurance company, Gold America National Insurance, was in turn invested heavily in Nevada casinos like the Sands. Ruby definitely knew him. Q: Why would these big businessmen have anything to do with Jack Ruby? A: Well, you know honest crap games--that's something the mob could offer. Moving south was a very important event in mob history. One of the justifications for the mob going into Dallas was that the local gambling was fixed. Paul Roland Jones--who knew Ruby--went down there representing a Chicago faction, and he offered people there honest gambling. In this sense, organized crime becomes, you might say, the government of those aspects of life which the official government is not allowed to recognize. Gambling is illegal but you want it regulated, so it's regulated by organized crime. Q: On the law enforcement side of things, J. Edgar Hoover kept what he called his Personal and Confidential files, many of which were sexual in nature. What do you know about those files? A: They weren't just sexual. If he had known, for example, that, shall we say, another American president had been involved in the John Kennedy assassination, that would go into the Personal and Confidential files. It doesn't have to be sexual; it's anything that's the highest level utility for potential blackmail. Q: How did Jack Kennedy's extra-marital sex life relate to the assassination? A: The mob's influence in Washington certainly is related to their provision of sexual favors for all tendencies--boys for people who like boys, girls for people who like girls. Kennedy was a notorious case. Undeniably Kennedy became involved with a mistress of Sam Giancana, Judy Campbell. This fact by itself would be important whether or not we believe the other things she has added to her story since. The Kennedy family--old Joe Kennedy--had been involved with the mob since the days of Prohibition, and specifically with the Chicago mob. That were even references to this in the Kefauver Commission. Legitimate Kennedy investments were largely in Chicago. The Kennedy’s owned the Trade Mart in Chicago, which was a very major investment. After Prohibition, Joe Kennedy had a liquor distributing company along with a mob man named Joe Fusco. When John Kennedy first ran for Congress in '46, Joe Kennedy did a smart thing--he sold off his liquor interests so that he would not have these conspicuous mob connections anymore. We do not yet fully understand that whole dynamic whereby the mob helped elect John Kennedy and then was very alienated by Robert Kennedy's prosecution of the mob and Sam Giancana in particular. RFK listed the mobsters he targeted, including Giancana and Santos Trafficante and Carlos Marcello--these are all relevant people--exactly the element of the mob that the CIA involved in plots against Castro after Robert Kennedy published The Enemy Within in 1960, in which he names these people. So there's a very complicated dance here which involves the Kennedy’s' relationship to the mob, the CIA's relationship with the mob, and the CIA getting more involved with the mob at a time when the Kennedy’s are distancing themselves from at least some elements of the mob. Q: You posit that a small cadre may have pulled off the murder somehow, but a much larger group of people--especially inside government--conspired on the cover-up. A: There are probably three categories: 1. People actually involved in the assassination, 2. Those involved in the cover-up, and 3. The Watchers who knew that the president is going to be murdered. They're not directly conspiring, but they become criminally responsible because they do not intervene to stop it. I think it's quite likely that Hoover was in that intermediary category. Let's just take the {Joseph} Milteer statement. He was a southern racist who predicted {on a police-monitored phone conversation} that the president would be shot with a rifle from an office building, and then somebody would be picked up right away and charged with the murder. First he predicts it, then after the assassination, he says, "See, it happened the way I said it would." Hoover knew about all of this before the assassination, and the FBI intervened both before and after the assassination to minimize the significance of this uncannily accurate prediction, and they never shared any of this information with the Warren Commission. Hoover here could be culpable of something more than just the cover-up. Q: So Hoover might have also known that Oswald was an FBI informant? A: I've speculated that he was an FBI informant; it's clear he was operating in an informant capacity, but who he was informing for is less clear. He may have been working for a private contractor such as {New Orleans private investigator} Guy Banister. Q: Was Oswald just a puppet for people like Banister, or do you think he really knew what he was working on and why? A: In my book I called him a double agent, but I really should have called him a triple agent. On one level he's acting like a leftist, and on another, deeper level he's acting like a rightist, as though he's getting Fair Play for Cuba sympathizers to send in their names and addresses to 544 Camp St. {in New Orleans} which is the address of Guy Banister, who is a very anti-Castro detective. But then, on a third level, he may have been working with Banister in order to inform someone else about Banister's own illegal activities, so that would make him a triple agent. Once you're dealing with someone who's a double agent--and there are many historical instances of this--it's hard to know who they're working for, and sometimes even the individuals don't even know who they're really working for. Psychologically, they get so into the role playing--their reality is that they're fake. You can't reduce them to a set of simple motivations like the rest of us. Q: The first thing the public ever heard about Oswald was that he was part of a communist conspiracy. Later, he became "a lone nut." Why? A: I've said all along there were two phases to the early cover-up: false stories linking Oswald to Cuba and Soviet Union and phase two, which substituted the myth of Oswald as the KGB assassin with the story that he was a lone nut, which is no more true than the phase one story, but was a lot less likely to risk World War III. Q: You told your colleagues at the Fredonia conference in July that it's not so important to learn the identity of the triggermen as to understand the deep politics behind the assassination. What can that kind of understanding mean to us as a nation? A: Remember, I'm not talking about a historic phenomenon. I'm talking about an ongoing phenomenon. If you focus on the CIA/drug story in the San Jose Mercury, you're studying the same phenomena. The fact is there is a symbiosis between high-level people in government and high-level people in crime. We see it in the drug situation, we saw it in the Kennedy assassination and in other areas such as the South African Oil Embargo--but South Africa got its oil, people violated the embargo. We get back to the same kind of milieu where people are powerful because of their law-breaking, not refugees and people running from law enforcement. There's a much more intimate symbiotic relationship between law enforcement and criminal operations. They're not simply antithetical, as we are taught to believe in grade school. That's what I mean by deep politics. If we're going to understand the politics of our country, we're going to have to understand the deep politics of our country. (c) 1996 Rway Communications a division of RAS, Inc. Syracuse New Times content is Copyright 1996 by A. Zimmer Ltd., used by permission.
  17. You mean the one with the replacement brain? Not going down that rabbit hole with you my friend. All I did was illustrate what HUMES said. Leave it at that. I know we disagree.
  18. From the WCR this is Humes' description of the wounds to the head... Following this description is a graphic representation of the description... To me this proves the "surgery to the head" as noted by the FBI, and the VAST difference in the wound between Dallas and Bethesda... Following that illustration is a composite that shows where Humes sawed thru the skull on the LEFT side of the skull while contradicting this evidence by stating that the left side of the skull and brain were completely intact and the drawings of JFK as seen in Dallas... Humes is complicit in the cover-up yet was taking orders from Rear Admirals on down.. And then the honesty of Boswell's notes betrays this surgery yet again.. The brutality of what was done to JFK after the fact is hard to escape... The concept that the "brain just fell out in Humes' hands" is without a doubt the most revealing and impossible of all the statements given the lack of damage to the left side of the skull... the last image is one of a series that can be found on line describing the process of brain removal at an autopsy. The strong connective tissues that surround the brain and the superior sagittal sinus must be carefully cut away as well as the dissection of the spinal cord at the bottom of the brain, top of the brain stem, the optic nerves and a host of other connective tissue. By the time the casket was opened at 8pm and the audible gasp echoes in the morgue at the horrible condition of the man's head, over an hour of brutal surgery had been performed by a man barely qualified to perform it... "We found that the right cerebral hemisphere was markedly disrupted. There was a longitudinal laceration of the right hemisphere which was parasagittal in position. By the sagittal plane, as you may know, is a plane in the midline which would divide the brain into right and left halves. This laceration was parasagittal. It was situated approximately (1 & 2) 2.5 cm. to the right of the midline, and extended from the tip of occipital lobe, which is the posterior portion of the brain, to the tip of the frontal lobe which is the most anterior portion of the brain, and it extended from the top down to the substance of the brain a distance of approximately 5 or 6 cm. The base of the laceration was situated approximately 4.5 cm. below the vertex in the white matter. By the vertex we mean--the highest point on the skull is referred to as the vertex. The area in which the greatest loss of brain substance was particularly in the parietal lobe, which is the major portion of the right cerebral hemisphere. The margins of this laceration at all points were jagged and irregular, with additional lacerations extending in varying directions and for varying distances from the main laceration. In addition, there was a (3) laceration of the corpus callosum which is a body of fibers which connects the two hemispheres of the brain to each other, which extended from the posterior to the anterior portion of this structure, that is the corpus callosum. Exposed in this laceration were portions of the ventricular system in which the spinal fluid normally is disposed within the brain. When viewed from above the left cerebral hemisphere was intact. There was engorgement of blood vessels in the meninges covering the brain. We note that the gyri and sulci, which are the convolutions of the brain over the left hemisphere were of normal size and distribution. Those on the right were too fragmented and distorted for satisfactory description. (4) When the brain was turned over and viewed from its basular or inferior aspect, there was found a longitudinal laceration of the mid-brain through the floor of the third ventricle, just behind the optic chiasma and the mammillary bodies. This laceration partially communicates with an oblique 1.5 cm. tear through the left cerebral peduncle. This is a portion of the brain which connects the higher centers of the brain with the spinal cord which is more concerned with reflex actions."
  19. Luckily a picture is worth 1000 words edit - I did not put (2nd row, 2nd in) over to the side enough.. he is the only one with his hand over his ear/side of the face... Even Salyer's hand is behind the ear. Peters' image seems pretty easy to understand.
  20. Yes, Armstrong believes that Oswald got on that bus despite all the evidence to the contrary and years of discussion. We don't agree on everything while we work to make each other more aware. Our article on the killing of Oswald and how Ruby actually got there, at his site, was a 5 month journey of discovery. https://harveyandlee.net/Oswald_Killed/Oswald_Killed.html You will learn about the history of the buildings involved, Sgt Dean, Westbrook and Croy, and the cruel manner in which Fritz delivers Oswald to his death. Now, you keep bringing up the library as if you give it some significance. I'll circle back - did you already explain this significance in this thread? If not can you summarize? From our discussions I don't recall our ever giving the library a second thought beyond the boy who was found there. The mistake was the broadcast of 1:16 Dispatcher Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson. 1:19 105 (Ptm. J.M Poe and Ptm. L.E. Jez) Was 519 E. Jefferson correct? (Siren) 1:19 Dispatcher We have two locations; 501 East Jefferson and 501 East Tenth. 1:19 Dispatcher Subject just passed 401 East Jefferson. Michael, this is WEST of 510 E Jefferson on the way to the theatre. Can you explain the significance of the library which occurs 15 mins later and 30 mins after Oswald was already in the theater? ALSO, YOU SHOULD BE AWARE THAT IT WAS ALSO CB OWENS WHO SEES THE HIDELL ID IN THE WALLET AND EVEN ASKS OSWALD ABOUT THE HIDELL ID DURING ONE OF THE INTERROGATIONS. Yu may also notice that Fritz does not ask Oswald any questions about the Tippit murder. Or the wallet found there with the HIDELL ID. Hmmm. 1:34 22 (Ptm. L.L. Hill) They've got him holed up, it looks like, in this building over here at the corner. 1:34 22 (Ptm. L.L. Hill) . . . where you be? 1:34 85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker) 85, library. 1:34 Dispatcher 10-4. 1:34 211 (Ptm. R. Hawkins) 211 out that location. 1:34 Dispatcher 10-4. 1:34 19 (Sgt. C.B. Owens) 19 1:34 Dispatcher 19 1:34 19 (Sgt. C.B. Owens) We're all at the library. 1:34 Dispatcher 10-4. 223 is supposed to be there. 1:34 19 (Sgt. C.B. Owens) We're in front of the building now. 1:34 Where is it? 1:34 Dispatcher Marsalis and Jefferson. 1:34 What and Jefferson? 1:34 Dispatcher Marsalis. 1:34 10-4. 1:34 221 (Ptm. H.W. Summers) 221 1:34 Dispatcher 221 1:34 221 (Ptm. H.W. Summers) Might can give you some additional information. I got an eye-ball witness to the get-away man. That suspect in this shooting is a white male, twenty-seven, five feet eleven, a hundred sixty-five, black wavy hair, fair complected, wearing a light grey Eisenhower-type jacket, dark trousers and a white shirt, and (. . . ?). Last seen running on the north side of the street from Patton, on Jefferson, on East Jefferson. And he was apparently armed with a 32 dark-finish automatic pistol which he had in his right hand. 1:34 Dispatcher 10-4. For your information, 221, they have the suspect cornered in the library at Marsalis and Jefferson. 1:34 221 (Ptm. H.W. Summers) 10-4. This man can positively identify him if they need him. 1:34 Dispatcher 10-4. They do have the suspect under arrest now. 1:34 221, hang on to your witness. 1:34 Dispatcher Hold on to him. 1:34 19 (Sgt. C.B. Owens) 19 1:34 Dispatcher 19 1:34 19 (Sgt. C.B. Owens) It was the wrong man. 1:34 Dispatcher 10-4. 1:34 Dispatcher Disregard all the information on the suspect arrested. It was the wrong man.
  21. Much appreciated Ken... at some point certain things in this case have to move from theory to facts
  22. How does his being CIA, or not, change anything - in your view?
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