Henry Rybka

[Royce Bierma]

We have to except that not everything that happened on that day was part of a conspiracy, some things just happened, this is a case in point. Pure speculation is poor ground for evidence gathering.

i'll give you some evidence,if the secret service had done their job that day,11/22/63 would be a footnote in history as the day of a foiled assassination attempt.....Palamara's work speaks for itself,i'm a huge fan.... you discount the uncovered Chicago and Miami plots against JFK, in the previous weeks prior to Dallas, as if they never happened and imply that Dallas was a routine trip in regards to security....

What happened to Rybka? All that I heard is that he in died ( in his thirties) in 1975.

At Love Field was he being playful? Simply angry for being left behind to guard Air Force One? Or, was he upset because he was not allowed to do his job and knew it was endangering the president?

I was looking for a "Greer Shootist" thread, but couldn't find one. I also found the following comment on a Greer shot JFK video which I think is right on the mark.

"The (unintentioned) result of this frame is

a stark reminder of the driver's looking back

twice (and many-if not most) people claiming

to have watched the limo slow to an almost

stop, when the first order of business is to

flee immediately at the first sign of

trouble. Whether the driver shot JFK is

secondary to the greater liklihood that he

was probably involved in the setup. "

Peter, Henry Rybka was born January 28, 1918, and passed away December 1975. He was 57.

[Don Jeffries]

I asked Vince Palamara-whose work on the Secret Service is second to none-about Rybka back in 2005. He verified what Roy says about Rybka dying, on December 25, 1975 (according to agent Lawson). He also told me, via email, that he tried to contact Rybka's family in 1996 by email, but they never responded. In another email, Vince stated that Debra Conway had told him Rybka's family had contacted her at some point, but when he tried to follow up, he "got nothing from her."

Certainly, this is fertile ground for research. If, as many of us believe, the Secret Service was in "stand down" mode that day in Dallas, then Rybka appears to have been out of the loop, from the looks of that video.

[Peter McGuire]

I asked Vince Palamara-whose work on the Secret Service is second to none-about Rybka back in 2005. He verified what Roy says about Rybka dying, on December 25, 1975 (according to agent Lawson). He also told me, via email, that he tried to contact Rybka's family in 1996 by email, but they never responded. In another email, Vince stated that Debra Conway had told him Rybka's family had contacted her at some point, but when he tried to follow up, he "got nothing from her."

Certainly, this is fertile ground for research. If, as many of us believe, the Secret Service was in "stand down" mode that day in Dallas, then Rybka appears to have been out of the loop, from the looks of that video.

While Rybka was certainly out of the loop, Greer was not!

From "Two Hospitals" page 361 Crossfire The Plot that Killed Kennedy by Jim Marrs.

Secret Service driver William Greer testified to the Warren Commission that he did not know the way to Parkland and so followed Sheriff Decker and two other Secret Service officials, Forrest Sorrels and Winston Lawson. However, in his testimony, Chief Curry is strangely vague, saying only that the limousine went to the hospital under "siren escort."

What is the problem? During the time of the House Select Commttee on Assasinations, a film taken by Dallasite Jack Daniel was seen widely for the first time. Taken just as the motocade exited from the west end of the Triple Underpass and entered Stemmons Freeway, this film clearly shows that both the presidential limousine and the Secret Service backup car had passed Curry's lead car and were leading the reace to the hospital.

( MY SHOUTING)

HOW COULD WASHINTON-BASED AGENT GREER KNOW HOW TO FIND PARKLAND, AND MORE IMPORTANT, WHY DID HE STATE IN HIS COMMISSION TESTIMONY, '' I NEVER PASSED CURRY'S CAR....I WAS LED TO THE HOSPITAL BY THE POLICE CAR WHO WAS FOLLOWING ME"?

The next paragraph in Crossfire summarizes the point:

Either these highly trained agents panicked and forgot what actually happened that day, or they lied about it.

MY SHOUT AGAIN

SINCE THE DANIEL FILM CANT LIE, THE QUESTION REMAINS, HOW DID GREER KNOW HOW TO REACH PARKLAND?

[Chuck Robbins]

Still wondering who the client is whose interests Mr. Slattery is representing on the forum here. Mr. Slattery seems to have an agenda, one particularly skewed toward stifling discussion, IMHO...choosing to assault the reader with a verbal broadaxe rather than attempting to persuade the reader. If he was sincere in his beliefs, I would tend to think that persuasion would be his tactic; instead, he apparently prefers the "hachet-man" approach.

I meant it when I recommended on another thread that Mr. Slattery read the works of Dale Carnegie...providing he could put the lessons into practice, and providing the facts are on his side, his posts might actually sway some participants to his point of view.

Oh dear. My very own personal stalker has returned. He sits back, waits for me to post, then pounces. Quite a life you got there, Mark. Guess it beats playing Scrabble at the 4-H Center.

Wilson posted about Rybka, and I calmly and methodically responded. Exactly how is that "stifling" discussion? By merely disagreeing? If so, are you mentally ill? Whose interests are you representing, Mark? Aging nerds who live with their parents? The mystery widens ...

What makes you think you have your own personal stalker? (delusional?)

Are you that great of a disinformation specialist? (rhetorical)

No, you are just a sorry specimen who specializes in denigration as his favorite debate tactic. (bully)

You talk about others being nerds? Look in the mirror, you are the leader of planet nerd. (projection)

Fire away, your barbs only make me laugh. Your statements carry the weight of a gnat. (inconsequential)

[Chuck Robbins]

Geez, your pathetic slanderings of Mark do nothing to lessen the truth of what he says about you.

I'm the slanderer? As opposed to the valentines he sends my way time and again?

There have always been a few individuals on these forums whose purposes are clear.

I guess your "purpose" is to shill for a thin-skinned buddy.

They disrupt the discussion of issues, they demean those who question their motives, and last, but not least, they insist upon taking part in a process which has, as it's goal, something that is obviously at odds with their own.

Clue me in: exactly how did I "disrupt" the discussion? By responding? By doing some homework on Rybka and his duties that day? For having the audacity to disagree with the hateful premise? What is it about a dialogue that terrifies you so? FYI, some motives (9-11 an inside job; US never landed on the moon; Holocaust denials) deserve to be demeaned.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

NO, censorious a-holes like yourself are a far bigger threat to civilization.

I don't like problems. 'Nuff said?

And I don't like blowhards who profess to value dissent and free speech, yet brutally suppress it whenever possible. My rights trump your eggshell-thin ego. Get lost.

Did you just say something or is that your sphincter again?

[Chuck Robbins]

If you ran into a foul-mouthed, belligerent, ignorant drunk at your local bar or pub and after a few minutes it became clear that any efforts on your part to reason with him or debate with him were fruitless and would only serve to induce him to become nastier and nastier.....and it was also apparent that the drunk actually enjoyed seeing you get irritated at his behavior....... at what point would you dispense with the conversation, walk away, and let him puke all over himself?

Just a rhetorical, metaphorical question.

I see your point.

Once again I have allowed myself to be duped into a no-win argument which does nothing to enhance our stature in the community.

Thank you for your input.

[Antti Hynonen]

I asked Vince Palamara-whose work on the Secret Service is second to none-about Rybka back in 2005. He verified what Roy says about Rybka dying, on December 25, 1975 (according to agent Lawson). He also told me, via email, that he tried to contact Rybka's family in 1996 by email, but they never responded. In another email, Vince stated that Debra Conway had told him Rybka's family had contacted her at some point, but when he tried to follow up, he "got nothing from her."

Certainly, this is fertile ground for research. If, as many of us believe, the Secret Service was in "stand down" mode that day in Dallas, then Rybka appears to have been out of the loop, from the looks of that video.

While Rybka was certainly out of the loop, Greer was not!

From "Two Hospitals" page 361 Crossfire The Plot that Killed Kennedy by Jim Marrs.

Secret Service driver William Greer testified to the Warren Commission that he did not know the way to Parkland and so followed Sheriff Decker and two other Secret Service officials, Forrest Sorrels and Winston Lawson. However, in his testimony, Chief Curry is strangely vague, saying only that the limousine went to the hospital under "siren escort."

What is the problem? During the time of the House Select Commttee on Assasinations, a film taken by Dallasite Jack Daniel was seen widely for the first time. Taken just as the motocade exited from the west end of the Triple Underpass and entered Stemmons Freeway, this film clearly shows that both the presidential limousine and the Secret Service backup car had passed Curry's lead car and were leading the reace to the hospital.

( MY SHOUTING)

HOW COULD WASHINTON-BASED AGENT GREER KNOW HOW TO FIND PARKLAND, AND MORE IMPORTANT, WHY DID HE STATE IN HIS COMMISSION TESTIMONY, '' I NEVER PASSED CURRY'S CAR....I WAS LED TO THE HOSPITAL BY THE POLICE CAR WHO WAS FOLLOWING ME"?

The next paragraph in Crossfire summarizes the point:

Either these highly trained agents panicked and forgot what actually happened that day, or they lied about it.

MY SHOUT AGAIN

SINCE THE DANIEL FILM CANT LIE, THE QUESTION REMAINS, HOW DID GREER KNOW HOW TO REACH PARKLAND?

Peter,

The testimony is not accurate. I believe Greer followed the two motorcycle cops leading the motorcade to Parkland. I recall one was a sergeant and he was upset about the Presidetial limo tailing the motorcycles at a very close range to Parkland. I believe Curry's car was behind the 2 limo's and motorcycles, a short distance away.

Antti

[Peter McGuire]

From "Two Hospitals" page 361 Crossfire The Plot that Killed Kennedy by Jim Marrs.

Secret Service driver William Greer testified to the Warren Commission that he did not know the way to Parkland and so followed Sheriff Decker and two other Secret Service officials, Forrest Sorrels and Winston Lawson. However, in his testimony, Chief Curry is strangely vague, saying only that the limousine went to the hospital under "siren escort."

What is the problem? During the time of the House Select Commttee on Assasinations, a film taken by Dallasite Jack Daniel was seen widely for the first time. Taken just as the motocade exited from the west end of the Triple Underpass and entered Stemmons Freeway, this film clearly shows that both the presidential limousine and the Secret Service backup car had passed Curry's lead car and were leading the reace to the hospital.

Peter,

The testimony is not accurate. I believe Greer followed the two motorcycle cops leading the motorcade to Parkland. I recall one was a sergeant and he was upset about the Presidetial limo tailing the motorcycles at a very close range to Parkland. I believe Curry's car was behind the 2 limo's and motorcycles, a short distance away.

Antti

Antti:

Be careful. This seems to be an explanation manufactured to explain away what really happened, just like they made up the "jet effect" to explain away the frontal shot in the Zapruder Film.

This is a gem:

"Penn & Teller JFK Jet effect bullxxxx Lee Harvey Oswald"

"Frontal Shot my achen ass"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=745248745546892501

Edited May 4, 2009 by Peter McGuire

[Steve Thomas]

Antti,

The testimony is not accurate. I believe Greer followed the two motorcycle cops leading the motorcade to Parkland. I recall one was a sergeant and he was upset about the Presidetial limo tailing the motorcycles at a very close range to Parkland. I believe Curry's car was behind the 2 limo's and motorcycles, a short distance away.

Antti

Larry Sneed's, No More Silence contains a lot of oral history from the motorcycle policemen. If my memory serves me right, it was Stavis Ellis who told Larry about the high speeds going to Parkland and how the motorcycle cops were scared to death that the limousine was going to clip them in the rear. I think they hit speeds of close to 90 mph. At one point there was a railroad track , or maybe it was Industrrial Blvd that crossed Stemmons and both wheels of their motorcycles left the ground and they were flying through the air.

As a side note, after some of them were relieved, they were kind of bummed out because they didn't have a job to do anymore and wound up guarding the corridors of the third floor of DPD headquarters.

Steve Thomas

[Peter McGuire]

Antti,

The testimony is not accurate. I believe Greer followed the two motorcycle cops leading the motorcade to Parkland. I recall one was a sergeant and he was upset about the Presidetial limo tailing the motorcycles at a very close range to Parkland. I believe Curry's car was behind the 2 limo's and motorcycles, a short distance away.

Antti

Larry Sneed's, No More Silence contains a lot of oral history from the motorcycle policemen. If my memory serves me right, it was Stavis Ellis who told Larry about the high speeds going to Parkland and how the motorcycle cops were scared to death that the limousine was going to clip them in the rear. I think they hit speeds of close to 90 mph. At one point there was a railroad track , or maybe it was Industrrial Blvd that crossed Stemmons and both wheels of their motorcycles left the ground and they were flying through the air.

Steve Thomas

I am sorry, but testimony from Dallas policeman means nothing to me.

If there were any corroborating witnesses outside the Dallas Police Department stating that the film did not show the motorcycle cops, I would consider the matter further. There should also be plenty of witnesses at Parkland who saw the limousine arrive. If they did see them arrive with Greer, so be it.

As it stands, some guys book which claims the Dallas Police said this means nothing.

Edited May 5, 2009 by Peter McGuire

[Randy Gunter]

Slattery = Von Pein, Von Pein = Slattery.

Hopefully neither are still here.

[David Von Pein]

HENRY RYBKA, DON LAWTON, AND SECRET SERVICE CONFUSION AT LOVE FIELD:

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/11/secret-service.html

Edited September 22, 2014 by David Von Pein

[Robert Prudhomme]

This is an old thread, and there seems to be a lot of misconception in it.

There were three motorcycles ahead of the limo, not two. The myth of the single motorcycle continuing down Houston St. is unfounded, as this motorcycle can be seen on Elm St. in the Z film. Also, there is a photo of three motorcycles ahead of the limo on the west side of the TUP.

As well as the lead car occupied by Decker and Curry, there was a pilot car, driven by police, out ahead of the three motorcycles. Is it not possible Greer confused this car with the lead car?

In the first post of this thread, it is implied that SS agents were recalled from the rear bumper of the limo moments before the assassination. No photographic evidence supports this.

It is stated that an SS agent on the right rear bumper of the limo would have made it difficult for a shooter to hit JFK. This is doubtful, as photos from other parts of the motorcade, showing Hill on the right rear bumper, clearly show Hill crouched down low onto the bumper and hanging on. Unless the assassin was at street level, and directly behind the limo (oh wait, there was a follow up car in that spot), the SS agent crouching on the rear bumper would have done nothing to impede a shot.

Edited September 25, 2014 by Robert Prudhomme