Malcolm Ward Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Mr Cameron suggests there could be a witch hunt involving "Gays" Does he think we are all Sun readers ?. I understood most were of the perpetrators were "married" and the connection was public school?. Is this a deflection or ignorance on Cameron's part?. I think he may be pretending he does not know anything about it. Where was Cameron schooled?. I found this strange to Ian,is it pure ignorance or a deflection technique.Someone who is Gay is no more likely to have Paedophile tendencies than a Heterosexual.I doubt if he needed to read the list,I would think Intelligence had given him a list of likely suspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kingsbury Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Mr Cameron suggests there could be a witch hunt involving "Gays" Does he think we are all Sun readers ?. I understood most were of the perpetrators were "married" and the connection was public school?. Is this a deflection or ignorance on Cameron's part?. I think he may be pretending he does not know anything about it. Where was Cameron schooled?. I found this strange to Ian,is it pure ignorance or a deflection technique.Someone who is Gay is no more likely to have Paedophile tendencies than a Heterosexual.I doubt if he needed to read the list,I would think Intelligence had given him a list of likely suspects. I agree Malcolm The tendancy to abuse is strongest in those that have been abused it appears difficult to Break the cycle, and as for the control aspect Most in party battles were won by Hague except When he came up against Cameron. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9667058/Guardian-columnist-apologises-for-naming-Lord-McAlpine-on-Twitter.html Maybe the old fashioned ideas that 'research' should be both 'open' and evidence based aren't such bad ideas after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Haley Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 This episode is quickly turning into a disaster for the BBC. However, their main rivals ITV will be mortified that one of their presenters, Phillip Schofield, committed such an inexcusable faux pax on live television that has been widely and justifiably condemned by journalists, politicians... pretty much everybody. In fairness to Cameron, the last thing he could've expected to have been handed by Schofield ( who presents 'Dancing On Ice' and the occasional Quiz Show when he isn't presenting the light and frothy 'This Morning' show) was a list of suspected peadophiles he'd found in a few minutes looking on the Internet. Cameron's exact spur of the moment reaction "There is a danger if we are not careful that this can turn into a sort of witch-hunt, particularly about people who are gay" is understandable given the accuser is a man and the accused also a man. It's also potentially enlightening. We'll see... In every interview I've seen since Cameron has omitted the gay reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 http://www.telegraph...on-Twitter.html Maybe the old fashioned ideas that 'research' should be both 'open' and evidence based aren't such bad ideas after all. It is still difficult to understand how Newsnight got this so wrong. I should say that Lord McAlpine was not one of the names given to me by the former BBC journalist. He was far more important than that. I am reminded of an incident that happened during the Watergate investigation. Bernstein and Woodward were given the name of someone involved in the cover-up. This was confirmed by a second source. The story was run in the Washington Post and when the man proved he was not involved, Ben Bradlee, the editor, took them off the story. The investigation would have come to an end but the journalists continued to work on the story in their own time. Eventually the editor changed his mind and the rest is history. Later Bernstein and Woodward discovered they had been set-up with a story that was not true in order to undermine the investigation. I suspect this is what has happened in this case. However, I still cannot understand why Newsnight never showed Steven Messham a photograph of Lord McAlpine. Bureau of Investigative Journalism http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kingsbury Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 George Entwistle is the sacrificial headless chicken this week !. By the time they get that sorted and the mis-identification farce The sting would have been taken out of the public's "push" area And on to the next scandal because all the good men did nothing Thank the supreme being for Tom Watson !. I cannot believe nobody showed Stephen Messham a picture of his abuser!. Perhaps we have to wait for news of the next Hyperinjunction one that allows the news to be printed But disallows us from reading or discussing it!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) UPDATE GOVERNMENT TO INVESTIGATE BBC http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/government-launches-two-inquiries-westminster-3825908 )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) BACKGROUND http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-personally-covered-up-3848836 Margaret Thatcher 'personally covered up' child abuse allegations against senior ministers Jul 12, 2014 22:48 By Nick Buckley, Keir Mudie The Tory Prime Minister is said to have held a meeting with a rising star, who was tipped for promotion, and told him: “You have to clean up your sexual act” PA Claims: Margaret Thatcher Margaret Thatcher personally covered up child abuse allegations made against one of her senior ministers, according to explosive new claims. The Sunday People reports Tory Prime Minister is said to have held a high-powered meeting with the rising star, who was being tipped for promotion, and told him: “You have to clean up your sexual act.” It followed an allegation that the minister had sexually abused young boys at the home of one of his political allies in 1982. However the minister apparently ignored the warnings. It is claimed that four years later he was spotted by police seeking young boys for sex at Victoria railway station in London. But no action was taken. The extraordinary claims – made to the Sunday People by a source with inside knowledge of Scotland Yard in the early 1980s – are now expected to be put before the Westminster child abuse inquiry announced last week by the Prime Minister. They go to the very heart of claims that there was an Establishment cover-up to protect politicians , judges and police officers involved in a sick paedophile network. David Cameron has already agreed to a full-scale investigation into historical allegations of child abuse. He has appointed Lady Butler-Sloss, a retired senior judge who chaired the Cleveland child abuse inquiry in the late 1980s, to head the investigation. And although the probe is in its infancy, its findings could be explosive – particularly if evidence emerges that a former Prime Minister knew about the allegations. Labour MP Tom Watson said: “If true, these extraordinary revelations reveal a remarkable state of affairs – so much so that they’re almost impossible to imagine. “Yet that is what people said about Jimmy Savile and look what happened with him. “These claims should be investigated by the new child-abuse inquiry.” According to the source, the minister’s alleged interest in abusing young boys first came to light after he stayed at the home of a constituency agent. The agent, responsible for securing local election success for the Tory MP, is believed to have alerted authorities. A high-level meeting involving then Prime Minister Mrs Thatcher, Home Secretary Willie Whitelaw, a senior policeman and an MI5 officer was held to discuss his alleged behaviour. The minister, according to the source, was then summoned to 10 Downing Street. But, instead of being disciplined or sacked, the minister was warned about his future behaviour and the matter was swept under the carpet. Four years later, fresh allegations surfaced. Led the way: The Sunday People from April 20 of this yearIn 1986, the politician was alleged to have been found seeking rent boys in the men’s toilets at Victoria railway station in central London. The toilets were the target of an undercover sting by Scotland Yard detectives. Officers approached the minister and warned him about his behaviour. It is believed a report was filed by a CID officer. Our source says this information was relayed personally to him at the time by Alec Marnoch, a highly respected police officer and Operations Commander of the Yard’s No 8 Area which covers Westminster and the West End. Mr Marnoch, who died aged 58 in 1999 soon after his retirement, also intimated to the source that police working in Piccadilly Circus had got a report of the same politician importuning at one of London’s most notorious rent-boy haunts – the “chicken rack”. The “chicken rack” was a set of metal railings close to Piccadilly underground station which was a vice hotspot in the 1980s. Boys as young as 13 waited there to be picked up by men for sex – often VIPs such as politicians, TV stars or even policemen. Scotland Yard was unable to confirm whether the politician had been named in connection with either the “chicken rack” or Victoria Station. A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: “We will fully co-operate with the panel chaired by Baroness Butler-Sloss and provide detail of relevant information. “While these and live police investigations are ongoing it would be inappropriate to comment further.” The Sunday People has been leading the way since Mr Watson first stunned Parliament and PM David Cameron in October 2012 with claims of a high-profile paedophile network with links to 10 Downing Street. Since breaking the story, we have produced a string of exclusives about the alleged VIP paedophile ring and reveal how far it reached. We first revealed the existence of the “Dickens dossier” which was handed to then Home Secretary Leon Brittan. Its disappearance has prompted the Butler-Sloss inquiry. The dossier, compiled by now-dead MP Geoffrey Dickens , contained information that would blow the lid off a secret VIP paedophile network, according to Mr Dickens’s son Barry. He says that in the weeks after his father submitted the dossier, the family’s home was twice “professionally” burgled. The Home Office admits there is no trace of the dossier and that 114 “potentially relevant files” have been destroyed or lost. The Home Office was forced to defend Baroness Butler-Sloss, 80, after it was claimed she buried allegations about a bishop from a child-abuse review in 2011. She reportedly told a victim she did not want to include the allegations in a review of how the Church of England dealt with two paedophile priests because she “cared about the Church” and “the Press would love a bishop”. A Home Office spokesman said: “The integrity of Baroness Butler-Sloss is beyond reproach and we stand by her appointment unreservedly.” ======================== Recently Published Tory child abuse whistleblower: 'Margaret Thatcher knew all about underage sex ring among ministers' Former activist Anthony Gilberthorpe says he sent Thatcher a 40-page dossier in 1989 accusing Cabinet members of abusing underage boys Tory child abuse whistleblower: 'I supplied underage rent boys for Margaret Thatcher's cabinet ministers' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-personally-covered-up-3848836#ixzz37LLjxDMg Edited July 13, 2014 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Spy agencies can insert . .it on your computer things like kiddie porn, causing the chilling potentialimplications of such manipulation for framing or blackmailing people.... Blackmail People … Including High-Level Officials? ######################################## ######################################## NSA to Frame You by Infecting Your Computer with Child Porn ... beforeitsnews.com/.../nsa-to-frame-you-by-infecting-your-computer-with-child-porn-huge-false-flag-underway-to-shut-down-internet-media-... Cached Similar Dec 27, 2013 ... The NSA has a long history of falsely framing people for crimes in order ... Theirgoal is to plant 'child porn' virus in computers across the nation.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ New Snowden Docs: British Spies Seed the Internet with False ... www.washingtonsblog.com/.../new-snowden-docs-british-spies-seed-internet-false-information-including-ability-manipulate-results-online-polls-a... Cached 3 days ago ... The capabilities, detailed in documents provided by NSA ... chilling potentialimplications of such manipulation for framing or blackmailing people. ... Or insertit on your computer. Like kiddie porn, if they really want you dead.))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Are Governments Using Evidence of Homosexuality and Child Pornography to Blackmail People … Including High-Level Officials?http://investmentwatchblog.com/are-governments-using-evidence-of-homosexuality-and-child-pornography-to-blackmail-people-including-high-level-officials/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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