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#1 James H. Fetzer

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 05:55 PM

JIM FETZER RESPONDS TO DAVID LIFTON ABOUT 9/11 AND MORE

Having just received a copy of this memorandum attacking me for my
views about 9/11 and indications of Israeli complicity, I would observe
that David Lifton appears to be far removed from areas in which he is
competent. As the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, I have not only
maintained its web site at http://911scholars.org and authored all of
its press releases but also edited its first book, THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY,
organized its first conference, "The Science and Politics of 9/11", and
produced its first DVD, "9/11: What's Controversial, What's Not". In
addition, I have authored many articles, given many lectures, and
made many presentations about 9/11 around the world, including
in Athens, where I was featured for 3 1/2 hours on a TV program in
2006 broadcast world-wide by satellite, and twice in Buenos Aires in
2008 and 2009, where my first presentation received extensive news
coverage, including two articles in the News Service of the Republic
of Argentina, and the second event was held at The National Library.

Lifton seems to be upset that I have endorsed a book, STRANGER
THAN FICTION, which traces the history of Zionism from the late
1800s to the present day and advances evidence, not only of the
history of terrorism practiced by those who wanted to create the
State of Israel, but of Israeli involvement in the events of 9/11. I
had independently concluded Israel was involved in 9/11 before I
discovered this book. I must admit that I had no clear concept of
Zionism until relatively recently, when I began inviting experts on
the subject onto my radio program, "The Real Deal", including
Stephen Lendman (13 March 2010), Barry Chamish (30 March
2010), and Elias Davidsson (10 July 2010). I found the book to
be extremely compact, insightful, and illuminating, and read 6-8
chapters on the air STRANGER THAN FICTION (26 April 2010). I
interviewed the author, Albert Pastore, Ph.D., which is a pseud-
nym, on Friday, 28 May 2010, and had it rebroadcast Monday,
31 May 2010, which was Memorial Day. All of these programs
either are or will be archived on http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com.

That the Pastore interview was rebroadcast on Memorial Day
turns out to have been ironic, since that is the day Israel chose
to assault the flotilla attempting to breach the blockage of Gaza.
There is a front-page article about it in The New York Times (1
June 2010), in case David Lifton, who is preoccupied with his
new book on Oswald, hasn't been reading the papers. There
are many new articles about it, including several by Stephen
Lendman and by Jerry Mazza, that I am featuring or will be
featuring in my blog, http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com. One
of the best has just been published by James Petrus, entitled
"Israeli War Crimes: From the U.S. Liberty to the Humanitarian"
Flotilla, http://www.voltairen...icle165694.html It might
be wise for David Lifton to get up to speed on the atrocities by
Israel, which include the massacre of sailors aboard a United
States naval vessel during the Six Day War, which killled 34
sailors and wounded another 171, which Israel was planning
on blaming on its enemy Egypt as a classic false flag operation.

I participated in a "Freedom Rally" on the grass in front of the
United States Capitol on 15 April 2008, where I spoke about
the events of 9/11 and outlined the reasons for believing that
Israel had a hand. That presentation was published under the
title, "9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda", and can be found many
places, including an illustrated version http://tinyurl.com/45ltba
I have also dealt with the charge that research implicating the
State of Israel in 9/11 is anti-Semitic in "Is 9/11 research 'anti-
Semitic'?", both of which were published by OpEdNews and can
be readily accessed via google. I have also done research on
other Israeli false flag attacks, including two in Argentina in
1992 and 1994 http://www.voltairen...icle162474.html
and another in Mexico City shortly after 9/11 that was thwarted.

Why Lifton wants to attack me when he knows nothing about
the subject bewilders me, but I assume it is unrelated to my
defense of Judyth Vary Baker from his smears or to my effort
to recover $1,000 I lent him when his computer was stolen.
Whatever his motives, his conduct here is inexcusable. Even
if I were wrong about the history of Zionism, where I cannot
claim to be an expert, what entitles him to deny others the
right to freedom of inquiry, freedom of thought, and freedom
of speech? Is it his position that, unless you toe the Israeli
line, you are acting in an irresponsible or reprehensible way?
This whole attack baffles me, because I do my homework on
the issues I address, whereas, in this instance, most notably,
Lifton has not. Let me also recommend a 9/11 web site that
has the courage to confront evidence of Israeli complicity in
9/11, which is http://rediscover911.com. I recommend it to
everyone who has a serious interest in the truth about 9/11.

As it happens, I am participating in an event in London soon:

A LONDON SYMPOSIUM: "Debunking the 'War on Terror':
Are the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan Justified by 9/11?"
6-9:30 PM, 14 July 2010, Friends House opposite Euston Station

An international symposium, "Debunking the 'War on Terror'", is
scheduled to occur in London, UK, as an evening event from 6:30-9:30
PM on Wednesday, 14 July 2010. This symposium will feature James
Fetzer, Founder, Scholars for 9/11 Truth, Kevin Barrett, Co-Founder,
Muslims for 9/11 Truth, and Gilad Atzmon, jazz musician and
political commentator, who will offer their assessments of the
evidence that 9/11 has been misrepresented by the US government for
its own political purposes.

The speakers will focus on the use of the events of 9/11 to
manipulate American and British citizens into supporting invasions
of Iraq and Afghanistan in violation of international law, the UN
Charter, and even the US Constitution. The event will be held in The
Large Meeting Hall of Friends House, 173 Euston Road, London.
Friends House is on the south side of Euston Road directly opposite
Euston Station (BR main line, Victoria and Northern underground
lines). The doors will open at 6 PM with a £10 admission fee.

For more information, visit
http://rediscover911...DebunkingWT.htm

Would that David Lifton were doing more for his county and the
advancement of truth than his own little world, which is entirely
dominated of, by, and for David Lifton, whose narcissism knows
no bounds. The fact of the matter is that logic and evidence are
on my side, not his, and if anyone is "unable to connect the dots"
in this case, it is he, not me. I am sorry to say that David Lifton
has once again demonstrated his incompetence in matters that
go beyond the boundaries of issues that concern David S. Lifton,
up close and personal. I have seen enough of him to know that,
beyond the confines of BEST EVIDENCE, his competence is next
to non-existent, where I offer this case as my own best evidence.

> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 03:39:44 -0700
> Subject: FW: DSL Memo on Jim Fetzer, Israel, and 9/11
> From: dlifton@earthlink.net
> To: dlifton@gmail.com
>
> I regret having to send out this memo, but the line has to be drawn
> somewhere.
>
> While I believe certain critical evidence was falsified in the JFK case (and
> that pursuing that constitutes a legitimate area for research and debate), I
> cannot be associated in any way whatsoever with the views of Prof. Jim
> Fetzer in the area described below.
>
> DSL
>
>
> ------ Forwarded Message
> From: "David S. Lifton" <dlifton@earthlink.net>
> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 14:57:49 -0700
> To: David Lifton <dlifton@gmail.com>
>
> Subject: DSL Memo on Jim Fetzer, Israel, and 9/11
>
> * * * FROM THE MEMO I WROTE THAT IS IN THE ATTACHED FILE* * *
>
> DSL Memo to file:
>
> RE: Jim Fetzer, Israel, and 9/11
>
> In connection with his 9/11 activities, Jim Fetzer enthusiastically
> promotes a book titled ³Stranger than Fiction², by one Albert D. Pastore
> Ph.D. (a pseudonym). The book is available at a website called
> ³WhatReallyHappened.com²
>
> I just learned about the book‹and Fetzer¹s podcasts (which apparently have
> been around for some months)‹this morning. Fetzer sent me, and several
> others, an email in which he was highly critical of Jim DiEugenio¹s review
> of Doug Horne, and was giving me, and my work, high praise.
>
> So I of course clicked on the link(s) he provided, and was pretty surprised
> (to put it mildly) at what came up (links about 9/11) and then where one of
> them led‹to Fetzer¹s Internet radio broadcasts on his show ³The Real Deal.²
>
> In a series of podcasts, Fetzer reads the entire book‹³Stranger than
> Fiction²-- in about five segments.
>
> Below find a group of links to this book, i.e., to Fetzer¹s podcasts, etc.
>
> I listened to several of the podcasts‹it is the ³Israel did it² line, but
> much more: a rather broadbased revisionist history going back to the early
> 20th century, about the creation of Israel, how the Jews are responsible for
> the financial woes of the world (and the U.S.); for U.S. financial policy;
> how the Jews are responsible for World War II (which Hitler did not want, at
> all, according to this author‹i.e., it was all the fault of the Jews)‹and
> finally, of course, how Israel is responsible for 9/11.
>
> As Fetzer reads the book, there is an assortment of anti-Jewish and
> anti-Israel illustrations‹some might call it anti-Semitic political
> pornography. Each person will have to judge this for himself (or herself).
>
> I have to say (at this point) ­and just to clear the air‹that I do not think
> Jim Fetzer is anti-Semetic. What I do believe (and most unfortunately) that
> he is not sufficiently discriminating (some would say indiscriminating) in
> choosing what to believe. In this issue, I do not think he is an
> enlightened radical; I think he is behaving like a complete fool.
>
> I do not know 20th century history as much as I¹d like, but I sure as hell
> know the JFK case, and I have watched Fetzer do this once before‹I have
> watched him journey down this ³Judyth² path, entering, subscribing to, and
> promoting a world of make-believe.
>
> This whole anti-Israeli line is another example of Fetzer¹s ability (if not
> propensity) to ³connect the dots² in some way that I find not just illogical
> but‹frankly‹just plain ridiculous.
>
> I have no idea what provokes Fetzer to go down this path‹but then, I have no
> idea why (in the area of the JFK case) Fetzer believes in Judyth, which I
> believe to be another case of subscribing to something that is part of the
> world of ³make believe.²
>
> In the next page of this document, I am listing the various links (but they
> are not ³live² because I am going to put this document in pdf format).
>
> Then, on the following pages, come the Amazon dot com page about this
> bizarre book; and a page with the major pro and con review. And then another
> book that is advertised as a ³cousin² of sorts (i.e., ³those who bought this
> book Œalso bought¹ that one² etc.). That book is titled ³The Life of an
> American Jew in Racist, Marxist Israel²; and, as one rstates, it is ³Crude
> anti-semetic nonsense. . .strictly propaganda for the right wing loonies.²
>
> And then, finally, on the remaining pages, I am inserting the various
> imagery that is shown, on Fetzer¹s podcast, as he reads from ³Stranger than
> Fiction.² It is all virulently anti-Jewish and anti-Semitic
> propaganda‹really low class junk. Yet there is Jim Fetzer, reading from
> this book, while all this inflammatory anti-Semitic imagery is flashing on
> the screen.
>
> Of course, a collateral mystery (or ³mystery²) is just who is ³Albert D.
> Pastore, Ph.D.² who, as Fetzer points out, has ³some connection² (I think
> his words were) with philosophy.
>
> The imagery used by Fetzer appears at the end of the attached memo. It is
> violently anti-semitic and highly inflammatory.
>
> DSL
>
>
> * * * MORE FROM THE ATTACHED MEMO * * *
>
> What this is: Basic links I have been surfing re Jim Fetzer and 9/11, the
> book he is promoting on his podcasts, and the graphics he is using to
> promote the thesis that Israel is responsible for much of the woes of the
> 20th century, for provoking Hitler to start World War II, and that Israel is
> responsible for 9/11.
>
> Immediately below are some links‹especially to the book, ³Stranger than
> Fiction,² which Fetzer strongly recommends (and is promoting).
>
> In Section two of this document are the Amazon pages pertaining to this
> book.
>
> In Section three of this document are the graphics Fetzer uses in connection
> with his podcasts, reading from the book, and promoting the thesis that Jews
> are responsible for many of the woes of the 20th century, and that Israel is
> responsible for 9/11.
>
> http://article.wn.co...s_tea_party_on_
> boil/
>
> Albert D. Pastore Ph.D.
>
> Link to the book ³Stranger Than Fiction ­Part 1²
>
> http://whatreallyhap...tml?q=stf1.html
>
> To part 2:
>
> http://whatreallyhap...tml?q=stf2.html
>
> To parts 3, 4, and 5:
>
> http://whatreallyhap...ICLES/stf3.html
>
> http://whatreallyhap...ICLES/stf4.html
>
> http://whatreallyhap...ICLES/stf5.html
>
> HOME PAGE FOR ³What Really Happened . com²
>
> http://whatreallyhappened.com/
>
>

Edited by James H. Fetzer, 05 June 2010 - 06:06 PM.


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Posted 05 June 2010 - 07:45 PM

Let me also recommend a 9/11 web site that has the courage to confront evidence of Israeli complicity in 9/11, which is http://rediscover911.com. I recommend it to everyone who has a serious interest in the truth about 9/11.


Interesting site. I read the article "Introduction: Israel and 9/11," along with the one comment, posted a week ago, in which the commentator refers to Obama as "our Nappy headed Jew boy."

I have a "serious interest" in 9/11, but I don't think I'll be going back to that site, for all of its "courage," for information.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 08:06 PM

Jim shows his true colours. I'm not surprised at all except for the fact that he has finally done so. I wont be surprised by what's to come.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 09:46 PM

Interesting...

Edited by B. A. Copeland, 05 June 2010 - 09:48 PM.


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Posted 05 June 2010 - 11:31 PM

So someone posted a COMMENT and you reject a site on that basis? This is nice
reflection of the shallow thought of many on forums like this one. I can't believe
anyone would take someone like you seriously when you are so superficial. And
tell me which other sites have the integrity to follow the evidence about the perps
of 9/11? But then, I am quite sure you don't need to bother with evidence, either.


Let me also recommend a 9/11 web site that has the courage to confront evidence of Israeli complicity in 9/11, which is http://rediscover911.com. I recommend it to everyone who has a serious interest in the truth about 9/11.


Interesting site. I read the article "Introduction: Israel and 9/11," along with the one comment, posted a week ago, in which the commentator refers to Obama as "our Nappy headed Jew boy."

I have a "serious interest" in 9/11, but I don't think I'll be going back to that site, for all of its "courage," for information.



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Posted 05 June 2010 - 11:35 PM

Yes, I am showing "my true colors" by following the evidence where it leads,
which has always been my trait, even when it runs contrary to sacred cows
like the myth of Israel as a special nation, which I used to believe. Do you
really think you know what you are talking about, because my impression is
that you, like Lifton in this case, like to make remarks based upon ignorance?

Jim shows his true colours. I'm not surprised at all except for the fact that he has finally done so. I wont be surprised by what's to come.



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Posted 06 June 2010 - 12:01 AM

So someone posted a COMMENT and you reject a site on that basis? This is nice
reflection of the shallow thought of many on forums like this one. I can't believe
anyone would take someone like you seriously when you are so superficial.


If anybody posted a comment like that on a site of mine, it would be deleted. Either that or I would be ashamed to go around recommending the site. But that's just me. I'm shallow and superficial.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 12:08 AM

To censor or not to censor, that is the question. Have you read the book
Lifton attacks, STRANGER THAN FICTION? Have you listened to the
program during which I read from it? Are you aware my programs are
archived as mp3s and have no video component? Have you given any
thought at all to the baselessness of most of what Lifton has written?


So someone posted a COMMENT and you reject a site on that basis? This is nice
reflection of the shallow thought of many on forums like this one. I can't believe
anyone would take someone like you seriously when you are so superficial.


If anybody posted a comment like that on a site of mine, it would be deleted. Either that or I would be ashamed to go around recommending the site. But that's just me. I'm shallow and superficial.



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Posted 06 June 2010 - 12:10 AM

Jim Fetzer has brought his ideas about 9/11 to the public and people can decide for themselves if they agree or not.

David Lifton has said nothing of significance about the topic.

Before he puts down Fetzer, Lifton should join the debate.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 12:14 AM

Ron, are you paying attention to what is going on in the world beyond the
confines of this forum? Do you realize that Israel has created what has
to qualify as the largest concentration camp in the world? Do you care
about human rights? Are you so docile and subservient you are want to
censor remarks you dislike but accept gross abuse of 1.5m Palestinians?

Article below and with video here: http://www.examiner....lian-leadership

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Understanding Israel's criminal seige of Gaza; one facet of US Orwellian "leadership"

I previously wrote that if Iran had carried out the Gaza carnage, the US and Israel would have already initiated war against Iran.

In my comprehensive resource article, "Government by dicts," is the documentation of acknowledged US military/CIA control of corporate media that explains why US public understanding of Israel's criminal Crime against Peace and War Crimes are unclear.

The following video walks people through the facts. It uses the language of the below published article by Joe Mowrey. UNICEF documented their agreement of the semi-starvation of Gaza's children through Israel's blockade, and the UN Chief Commissioner for Human Rights declares the seige unlawful. If you are unfamiliar with the history of Israel attacking the USS Liberty in 1967 with complicity of the US government to use the deaths of US military to justify wars of choice, read this.

In the Israeli attack of the aid ship attempting to deliver medical and humanitarian supplies, Israeli forces executed an American citizen with four close-range shots to the back of his head, consistent with similar autopsy reports showing other victims shot at close-range to the back of the head while probably kneeling (deduced from the angle of the bullet paths).

Gaza in Plain Language

by Joe Mowrey / January 19th, 2010

In articles acknowledging the one year anniversary of the assault on Gaza, blunt and unsparing language about what really happened is often avoided. Despite sympathy for and support of the Palestinian people in their struggle against dispossession and oppression, the description of what took place in January 2009 is sometimes buffered by a misguided sense of political correctness. Yes, it’s terrible. Yes, it is unjust. But we don’t want to be inflammatory or risk offending the sensitivities of those who through their own willful ignorance cling to the notion that Israel is a victim state, fighting for its very survival. The argument is that we should reach out to them and attempt to educate them and win them over.

I’ll be more forthright in this commentary.

The sociopathic Zionist administration of Israel, as part of its continuing brutal colonization of Palestine, set out to deliberately devastate the already nearly-incapacitated infrastructure which supports the existence of one and a half million human refugees. The people of Gaza, second-, third-, and fourth-generation dispossessed Palestinians, are living in forced exile from land their families inhabited and cultivated for generations. Half of them are children under the age of fifteen. Their culture and their economy has been systematically ravaged by Israel for decades and since 2006 a criminal siege supported by the United States, as well as much of the international community, has deprived them of all but the most minimal resources for subsistence. This oppressed and brutalized population was then bombed, bulldozed and terrorized mercilessly for twenty-three days.

Below is a small sampling of facts concerning what the fourth largest military in the world did to a captive and defenseless population. The source materials used to substantiate these statistics are available on request. If the reality presented here goes beyond the stretch of your imagination, you can verify the data yourself. Though you’d better hurry. Much of this information appears to be disappearing down Google’s memory hole, just as is the fate of the people of Gaza. A source referencing the percentage of agricultural land destroyed in the onslaught which was used for a shorter version of this article just a few weeks ago is no longer archived in Google’s cache. Surprise, surprise.

You will also find that exact figures vary somewhat depending on the source. But whether it was 21,000 structures or 22,000 structures destroyed, whether 280 schools were destroyed or badly damaged verses 230, the overwhelming truth of the physical devastation which took place in Gaza and the fact that this destruction was deliberate and premeditated is irrefutable. Even the Goldstone Report, itself a document with severe pro-Zionist overtones issued by a declared Zionist and a supporter of Israel, states unequivocally, “…[the] deliberate actions of the Israeli forces and the declared policies of the Government of Israel … cumulatively indicate the intention to inflict collective punishment on the people of the Gaza Strip in violation of international humanitarian law.”

We’ve heard time and again that more than 1400 Palestinians were killed, over 80% of them civilians, including 342 children. It has become a familiar talking point in discussions of last year’s assault, so much so that it may have lost its impact on our consciousness. But what we often aren’t reminded of is the horrific level of carefully-planned destruction of civilian infrastructure in Gaza orchestrated by Israel during Operation Cast Lead.

Financed and armed by the United States, the Israeli military destroyed fifteen percent of the structures in Gaza, approximately 22,000 buildings, including 5300 housing units destroyed or subject to major damage. Another 52,000 homes received some form of structural damage. Over 200 factories and 700 stores and businesses were destroyed or badly damaged. Of the residences, factories and businesses completely destroyed, 1300 of the homes and approximately 25% of the commercial property was deliberately and painstakingly bulldozed or exploded by Israeli ground forces. Eight hospitals and 26 primary health care clinics were damaged or destroyed. More than 280 schools were damaged or destroyed.

Water and sewage treatment facilities as well as electricity infrastructure were deliberately targeted leaving vast segments of the population with little or no power or clean water for the duration of the assault and for weeks and months to follow. Massive amounts of agricultural lands were systematically bombed or bulldozed. Some estimates suggest that as much as 80% of the arable land in Gaza has been ruined or declared off-limits to the people of Gaza over the last decade. Two million litres of wastewater at Gaza City’s sewage treatment plant, bombed during the assault, leaked into surrounding agricultural land making it unusable.

An Israeli television station boasted that Israeli war planes alone, without accounting for tank, ground troop and warship ammunition, dropped approximately one thousand tons of bombs on Gaza during Operation Cast Lead. The effort involved months, if not years, of carefully-considered target selection, giving lie to any claim that the devastation was incidental. It requires a stunning level of denial and self-delusion to pretend the destruction which was achieved in Gaza had anything to do with Israel’s “security” or the targeting of Hamas militants. This was savage and barbaric collective punishment unleashed on a civilian population, nothing more. Any suggestion to the contrary must be sharply and immediately ridiculed as absurd.

This was arguably the first aerial bombing campaign ever conducted on a defenseless civilian population held captive within a fenced enclosure and not allowed to escape the assault. It is a measure of the cynical mindset of the Israeli military that leaflets were sometimes dropped in neighborhoods about to be bombed suggesting the residents flee. We are about to destroy your home; you had better get out. Flee to where? Gazans are not allowed to leave their open-air prison, not even when under attack. This tactic on the part of Israel also gives lie to the claim that homes and buildings were targeted because there were Hamas militants “hiding” inside. Why then warn them to leave before destroying the structures?

Given this litany of horror and the coldly premeditated nature of its execution, we need to ask what kind of society condones this level of savagery on the part of their government? What precedent is there for such monstrous disregard for even the most basic tenets of human decency? We need look no further than the behavior of our very own United States, of course. In Iraq, the toll of our psychotic militarism is well over a million human beings (not counting the years of punishing economic sanctions) and a large part of the infrastructure of an entire nation of more than 26 million people has been obliterated. Let’s not even begin to tally up the deaths resulting from U.S. imperialism around the globe in the last sixty years alone. It would put the Zionists to shame–mere pikers in the annals of human slaughter.

And what of Gaza today, one year later? Israel’s continued illegal siege, enabled by the U.S., Egypt (a U.S. client state) and the international community has prevented any substantial amount of building materials from entering Gaza. Essentially, no reconstruction has been possible. The people of Gaza live amongst the rubble left to them by Israeli hatred and aggression. They are attempting to rebuild their society using mud bricks and materials salvaged from the wreckage.

The next time someone attempts to argue, “Israel has a right to defend itself,” or uses what I call the abusive spouse defense, ”Look what you made me do,” tell them, “No.” Tell them there is no and can never be any acceptable justification for the deliberate devastation of entire societies, no matter what political, ideological or “security” issues, real or imagined, may be at stake. It is unconscionable. It is wrong. Plainly put, there is no sane argument in favor of such behavior. Those who believe there is must be contradicted and opposed at every available opportunity.

Joe Mowrey is an anti-war activist and an advocate for Palestinian rights who lives in Santa Fe, New Mexico. He can be reached at jmowrey@ix.netcom.com. Read other articles by Joe.

#11 John Simkin

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 07:33 AM

So someone posted a COMMENT and you reject a site on that basis? This is nice
reflection of the shallow thought of many on forums like this one. I can't believe
anyone would take someone like you seriously when you are so superficial. And
tell me which other sites have the integrity to follow the evidence about the perps
of 9/11? But then, I am quite sure you don't need to bother with evidence, either.


Let me also recommend a 9/11 web site that has the courage to confront evidence of Israeli complicity in 9/11, which is http://rediscover911.com. I recommend it to everyone who has a serious interest in the truth about 9/11.


Interesting site. I read the article "Introduction: Israel and 9/11," along with the one comment, posted a week ago, in which the commentator refers to Obama as "our Nappy headed Jew boy."

I have a "serious interest" in 9/11, but I don't think I'll be going back to that site, for all of its "courage," for information.


You will win very few friends with your crazy attacks on Ron Ecker. He is one of the most respected members of this forum. Can't you see the constant damage you do to yourself?

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 08:02 AM

Yes, I am showing "my true colors" by following the evidence where it leads,
which has always been my trait, even when it runs contrary to sacred cows
like the myth of Israel as a special nation, which I used to believe. Do you
really think you know what you are talking about, because my impression is
that you, like Lifton in this case, like to make remarks based upon ignorance?

Jim shows his true colours. I'm not surprised at all except for the fact that he has finally done so. I wont be surprised by what's to come.



Yes I do Jim.
I think you should read your post a bit more carefully. You might see what I mean. Hope your foot tastes good.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 09:51 AM

[quote name='James H. Fetzer' date='Jun 6 2010, 12:08 AM' post='194473']
To censor or not to censor, that is the question. Have you read the book
Lifton attacks, STRANGER THAN FICTION? Have you listened to the
program during which I read from it? Are you aware my programs are
archived as mp3s and have no video component? Have you given any
thought at all to the baselessness of most of what Lifton has written?

DSL REPLYING HERE TO FETZER:

See below for a verbal description of some of the graphics used in connection with Fetzer’s podcasts. These graphics are on the screen during his YouTube presentation, as he reads aloud from “Stranger than Fiction,” Pastore’s book promoting the theory that Israel was responsible for 9/11.

From beginning to end, it is clear that Jim Fetzer endorses the view that Israel is responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City on September 11, 2001, and he illustrates his view with very ugly and inflammatory anti-Semitic graphics. In Fetzer’s view, “the Jews” (over the last 150 years, at least) are responsible for many of the evils of the modern world, and when one buys into his theory that the State of Israel was the responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center, the circle is complete (as they say) and the elements are all there for demonizing the Jews, and for arguing, to a large extent, that they are the “first cause” of much evil in the modern world.

The graphics employed by Fetzer make explicitly clear what he thinks of "the Jews" in general, and Israel in particular.

The first one makes clear who Fetzer believes is responsible—the Jewish Star of David superimposed over the image of the burning Twin Towers in New York City.

Next comes an anti-Semitic headline in newspaper asserting that Jewish forces political forces were responsible for starting the conflict with Germany (“Judea Declares War on German/Jews Of the World Unite in Action”). In other words—Hitler didn’t start World War II—it was an act of self-defense after being provoked by world Jewry!

Another shows the burly hand of a Jew, emblazoned with the Star of David, stabbing a knife in the back of a German Solder—another of Fetzer’s graphics pushing the view that Judaism plotted to destroy Germany (and, like the other graphics, all tis appears under the YouTube headline, presumably written by Fetzer himself), “Jim Fetzer KNOWS Israel Did 911”.

Next comes a caricature of a smiling fat Jewish banker, with blood dripping from his hands, and (again) a Star of David , apparently intended to show how Jewish bankers control world events (and particularly, how they influenced Britain in connection with the Balfour declaration, the partition of Palestine, etc.).

Another graphic shows Fetzer’s rogue’s gallery of politicians and financial interests—symbolized by specific Jews—that influenced US President Woodrow Wilson (the photos are of Chaim Weizmann, Louis Brandeis, Bernard Baruch, captioned as “The Three Zionists who Squeezed Woodrow Wilson”);

. . .and then finally, the graphic showing an ugly and evil looking Jewish bird of prey, identified by the Star of David, having a helpless figure labeled “International Community” in its jaws.

So this is Fetzer’s latest “conspiracy theory”—we have now moved beyond Dealey Plaza and beyond the fantasist Judyth, to this area; to the case of 9/11—another area where Fetzer claims expertise (of course!)—and to his belief that the "the Jews"--over the course of many decades--and the State of Israel, in this instance, are the culprits.

Speaking only for myself, I don’t care if Jim Fetzer can edit a list of 59 witnesses who believed the President’s car stopped on Elm Street, or whether he endorses my book (or Doug Horne’s work) about the falsification of the medical evidence.

I don’t want to be associated with this kind of political pornography against Jewish people and the State of Israel.

As I wrote in an email to a friend this morning, addressing the issue of just what makes Fetzer tick:

QUOTE: “But to repeat my major point: Fetzer is not really an anti-Semite. He's just an attention-seeking fool, who will argue ANY position with great authority and pomposity as long as it puts him in the spotlight.

In this case, and most unfortunately, his historical "confreres" are the likes of Goebbels and Hitler.

“If they were alive and had sponsored a '9/11 Conference,' you can be sure that Jim Fetzer would be among the first to sign up, and then utilize that as a springboard to get on the equivalent of O'Reilly. UNQUOTE

As Fetzer exulted recently (in an email) upon discovering he was the accidental beneficiary of some unexpected publicity (when another person named Fetzer (Republican chairman Tim Fetzer, of North Carolina—no relation) improperly endorsed a primary opponent, causing a dust-up amongst the supporters of his tea party opponent): “You can't buy publicity like this and I am doing an event in London in Judy about 9/11!”

All very well. Let Fetzer market his political pornography elsewhere. I want no part of it (or him). Its not that Fetzer is “politically incorrect.” He’s just a pompous ass. Remember what attorney Welch said to Sen. Joe McCarthy in June, 1954: “Have you no sense of decency?” That’s just about how I feel about Jim Fetzer, and his attempt to gain publicity for himself as he attempts to hold Israel (and “the Jews”) responsible for the destruction for the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

DSL

PS: And oh, by the way, did you know that many of the hijackers who flew the planes in 9/11/2001, actually are alive and well? . . .and were simply victims of identity theft? Didn't know that, eh? Well, then you must read "Stronger Than Fiction," because that's what this book, promoted by Fetzer, states. But I'll save everyone the trouble of reading that tripe, by quoting, here, from page 17:

QUOTE: That's right! Seven of the nineteen "hijackers" are alive and well. They were victims of identity theft, some of whom had had their passports stolen. They were interviewed by several news organizations including the Telegraph of England." etc. UNQUOTE

This is the kind of junk that Fetzer is promoting, aside from the over arching multiple anti-Semitic theses, illustrated by highly inflammatory graphics, about "the Jews."


6/6/10; 1:40 AM PDT
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Posted 06 June 2010 - 10:23 AM

Yes, I am showing "my true colors" by following the evidence where it leads,
which has always been my trait, even when it runs contrary to sacred cows
like the myth of Israel as a special nation, which I used to believe. Do you
really think you know what you are talking about, because my impression is
that you, like Lifton in this case, like to make remarks based upon ignorance?

Jim shows his true colours. I'm not surprised at all except for the fact that he has finally done so. I wont be surprised by what's to come.



Yes I do Jim.
I think you should read your post a bit more carefully. You might see what I mean. Hope your foot tastes good.

edit:typo


John,

Why am I not surprised?

After having been exposed to Fetzer's normal attempts of character assassination, I decided to have a look at who this fella is. Not surprisingly, he has a record that is quite amazing. In any "conspiracy", it seems that Jim's position always is that what's imaginable - is more than likely to have occurred.

Look at this discussion, where he's suggesting that FDNY high ranking members could have been involved in 9/11:

http://forums.randi....ad.php?t=156766

The evidence for this accusation? None, as usual.

And notice the demeaing and derogatory language vs those who disagree. If you're not a scholar of high ranks, in Fetzer's mind you know nothing and have nothing to add. A familiar pattern, in other words.

This page is also very interesting. Fetzer, along with a few other researchers are regarded as crackpots, not to be taken seriously about 9/11, and a long list of reasons for this view:

http://911research.w...tion/index.html


Now, having read information like this, it's amazing how similar Fetzer's behavior is to that which he has shown related to JVB issues. It's a good thing there are rules on this forum that stipulates no questions asked about members research abilities or their motives. But what I can say is that as far as I'm concerned, JVB is probably a more credible source than Jim Fetzer. Her credibility, as demonstrated here over the past couple of months, is not high in my opinion.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 02:28 PM

David Lifton asked me to post this:

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