Hugo Langendoen

Years ago I was politely asking this guy, "Perry Vermeulen", for a copy of the ship log/passenger manifest of the Maasdam showing Oswald. He shined me on for weeks. He repeatedly said he would email me a copy. He continued making excuses why he couldn't like he was on a trip, must be a long trip as I'm still waiting to see it. Now I was not asking for it to see Oswald's name, I was looking for other names. Whom else was aboard, etc. I notice he uses crops of the pages with LHO and his ship cabin neighbor. Never going to get him to share it...Does anyone have a Maasdam passenger manifest besides this dead end? The passenger list made its first appearance on the internet in 2006 on my website. After publishing the complete passenger list, I had several online discussions with Perry. Mark Bridger also tried to contact me. The "Oswald" page first appeared in May 2006. Here is the URL: http://www.toronto.hm/ss_maasdam7.html You can go through the list page by page by clicking the "next" at the bottom of each page. Start here: http://www.toronto.hm/ss_maasdam.html If anyone wants paper copies of the list, ask, and I'll dig them out of my old files. Regards, Peter Fokes, Toronto Thanks for the link! I tried to blow the image up, but then the words become a bit grainy (I hope I spelled that word right...) So I hope the original is a bit better. Off course I let you know.

I got a reaction back from a webmaster of an Holland America Line website. He is willing to make (xerox) copies of the passenger list and sent that to me by mail. He wrote that he obtained a copy from the Rotterdam City Archive. I will wait till the mail arrives and then will try to make some good scans. Hopefully that will work out well. I also will go to the archives as soon as I have some free time (hopefully on Friday, and otherwise somewhere next week) to look at the original of the list, and hopefully I can find some more information there regarding the employees on board. Off course I do realize that other people may have tried it before, but you never know :-) I re-read the book Perry wrote. As promised I will present the most important findings here: The book starts with some overall information about Kennedy, his election, and his time in office. Nothing new there. It starts to become more interesting when he starts detailing the travel from Moscow to Rotterdam. A lot of things in the book are basically the same as in Mark's article which I quoted above. Also Perry depends quite heavily on quotes from the 1977 book Marina and Lee. Perry has a picture of a time-table in the book which shows the normal route from Moscow to Rotterdam. Interestingly this show the train with the Oswalds had about 45 minutes in Berlin. After that most carriages of the train proceeds to The Netherlands. Just as Mark noticed: Lee's passport did not get stamped at the border crossing Marienborn / Helmstedt (which is the crossing between the East and West Germany). At the German / Dutch border at Oldenzaal both Marina and Lee got another stamp in their passport. Another noteworthy thing from Perry's book is that the train stops at Rotterdam-North station, instead of Rotterdam Central Station. This is also shown at the train time-table. This is significant because now the entry in LHO's notebook make sense. There is a note about train nr 11 in it, and left-to-right, and an address (which is misspelled in Mark's article) Mathenesserlaan 250. The tram nr 11 is the train from Rotterdam North to the Mathenesserlaan. And to reach that train from this station one has to walk left, and then turn right. It was only a walk of a few minutes to get on the tram. The Mathenesserlaan was a nice and decent street in an expensive part of Rotterdam. At the address was a boarding house, called Huize Avila (House Avila). Later the building was sold to a notary, and nowadays it is a regular apartment-building. I will drive by in the next few days and take some pictures to show how it looks like now. Perry also notes that LHO notebook contained another address in the center of Rotterdam: Meent 92. At the time this was an office from American Express. Perry tried to contact them to get hold of the file they presumable still have, but he got no for an answer. I guess the tickets were ordered from the US Embassy and Oswald had to pick them up in Rotterdam. Perry makes a little error in the book. He says that the passenger list shows how much money the Oswald had with them. But according to the webmaster from the HAL site the amount of money is the price the people paid for their tickets. As soon as the copies of the list arrives I will dive into that. So far for this little update. To be continued :-)

Do you know from which documentary this clip was taken from? Is this is true / authentic then this is a very interesting fragment!

I did a little bit of digging, and although as a researcher I do not particularly trust him or agree with his conclusions, Edward J Epstein asserts in the article [see link] that he located the passenger manifest of the SS Maasdam, also see Pieter Didenko, ostensible Russian-speaking steward of the Maasdam, and also maintains the SS Maasdam employment history was destroyed. http://www.maryferre...082&relPageId=4 The ship passenger manifest would have approximately 1,400 names if Edward J Epstein is correct, although his citation re Didenko is attributed to Priscilla McMillan, another "researcher" whom I believe echoes the party line, and I don't mean the Commies...lol Thanks Ed for the friendly words! I will do my best. And Robert: thanks for the interesting find. I did some more searches at MFF and found a very interesting article: http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=90661&relPageId=27

Ed, I will have a look at the city archives in Rotterdam to see if this passengerlist will be available there. If so, I will try to make photocopies of that and scan them. I also just sent an email to the webmaster of a site dedicated to the HAL. So two possibilities. I will keep you updated.

Fascinating. WH18 CE 940 .... http://www.perryvermeulen.nl/pdf-bestanden/WH18_CE_940.pdf Has Oswald's letter been corrected for spelling errors, or did Oswald have a rare moment of spelling excellence? Nary a mistake to be found! Regards, Peter Fokes, Toronto Peter, thanks for going to the trouble, obviously your post of the pdf's is of great importance to anyone who has an interest, I would be a lot more interested if the Forum had a resident translator, although Steve Thomas recently provided a google translation link. Thanks on behalf of the Forum. BTW; The smart money regarding documents regarding Lee Oswald in that same time frame as the earlier document I posted would be in the, whats now encyclopedia sized Lee Oswald 201 file. The link is on maryferrell.org ps Have you ever read the Spanish only [as far as I know] copy of the Zeiger's interview in Ambito Financiero by Ignacio Zuleta? John Armstrong seems to have brought it to other researchers attention. The book by Perry is interesting. I gives first of all an overview of the presidency of Kennedy and of the assassination. After that Perry goes into detail on the visit the Oswalds paid to The Netherlands (a.k.a. Holland) on their way back from Russia. In Oswald's address book is an entry for a place where they probably spent the night in Rotterdam. As you might have noticed: I was born and raised in The Netherlands, and Dutch is my native language. So if needed, i can provide some translations. Does anyone have more information about the stay of Oswald in The Netherlands? I will re-read Perry's book and post an outline of the most interesting conclusions here.

Well, it still will be very interesting to hear what she has to say. And I think that the ABC program will get a lot of attention all over the world. So the JFK assassination and all things surrounding that will be in the center of attention. That in itself is more then good news I think. Well, we will just have to be a little patient to see / hear what she has to say.

I tried some searches at the Mary Ferrell site, and it indeed a bit strange. I found this link to an exhibit in the Warren Hearings: http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=146532 There is something about Oswald possibly in Miami in October, 1962. -- And here is some more about November 1962: http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=347773 -- http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=695296 -- It is off course possible that this information was not available at the time Mary Ferrell made her chronology.

Well, I think it is not only her celebrity status. She was so close to JFK that she might have had the knowledge whether or not LBJ would still be on the ticket in 1964. She was also in a position to observe LBJ's behavior in the hours after the assassination and in the days afterwards. She may even be in a position to share more light onto the Vietnam plans that JFK had. Off course a lot of these things are discussed in many places (also on fora like this), but if she will give information like that imo that is very important. Not as only evidence, but as an extra - and powerful - backup of this evidence.

It is in my opinion always good to wait for the evidence itself, but after reading all this I think we can allow a little whispering of "BINGO" just now. I am really looking forward to hear what else she will tell in those interviews. Off course she has so much knowledge of what went on behind the scenes that all things she says will have very important consequences. I think that there are some people in government who are starting to be a bit worried. Who knows who else will be mentioned in the interviews. Btw: great that Jackie did those interviews. Something like a testament for history.

I could not find evidence of a visit to Miami in November 1962 in the Mary Ferrell Chronology, but maybe I overlooked it. November 1962 starts on this page: http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=40390&relPageId=88

And it's online here... http://www.conspiracybomb.com/killapresident.htm That's even better :-)

It is for sale on Ebay here: http://cgi.ebay.nl/When-They-Kill-a-President-JFK-KENNEDY-ASSASSINATION-/310319228867?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item484077a7c3#ht_500wt_1156

I just read this on the website, and was going to make a comment. This is real explosive material to hear that Jackie believes in a conspiracy with LBJ involved in that conspiracy. I am looking forward to the documentary. I do hope the interviews will be available unedited. I pre-ordered the serie on amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Jacqueline-Kennedy-Historic-Conversations-Life/dp/1401324258/ref=sr_1_39?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1312722793&sr=1-39

I read the book by Dan Moldea some time ago, and I have to say it is pretty convincing to me that Cesar did not shoot at Robert Kennedy. In this book he gives a lot of details which seems to head to a conspiracy, but in the end he gives (in my opinion) good reasons for the theory that Shirhan did it on his own.

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Always good to see something posted in my own language. This seems to come from an advertisement in a Dutch newspaper. ("Speurders" is the ad-section of the Dutch newspaper Telegraaf). I have translated it for the benefit of non-Dutch-readers :-) -- The title on the photo reads: War criminal, or innocent victim. The ad says the following: Comes from Panorama magazine 1950 (Panorama is a Dutch magazine, mainly read by man; it still exists today). 2 pages, ca 34 x 25 cm Article on Ewald Peters Department-chief of the West German Secret Service. Visited a lot of Western statesman. Was arrested on 01/30/1950 on charges of murder and hung himself 2 days later in his cell. He was accused of war crimes in the Ukrain and was born under the name Ewald Czempiel. etc. Post and package for buyer. Netherlands 1,35 euro. Will be sent in a tube. Not possible to pick up. We are not responsible for mistakes by other parties such as TNT. -- I doubt if the date mentioned in the ad is correct. In the above post John says that Ewald Peters overlooked the Kennedy visits to Berlin, and was involved in a visit with president Johnson. That means that he did not die in 1950.

I see that you posted more on Ewald Peters in the JFK forum. I will look into it, and provide a translation for the Dutch text.

Thanks so much for posting this here. I had never soon this footage. Very interesting. Especially the testimony of dr Crenshaw is in my opinion very convincing. Off course I read about his testimony before, but to see him tell this in this way on camera makes it even more convincing.

Does anyone know other sources for the name Arabella? I was aware of this name from the wikipedia website, but I had never seen it used by the Kennedy's or in another "official" writings. But it is off course possible that I missed it somewhere.

Jim, I can see what you mean, and I think we agree. It was not a coincidence that I posted my request only after Robert's post. I can see why you made the comments on Kempe and on his other works. After your conclusions about him in post number 16 I think it is clear what perspective mr Kempe takes. But then Robert noticed we are a bit off track, and he started to put in a post totally on Noriega and so on. That is why I made my request at that moment.

Question to one of the moderators (I am new here, so I don't know where else to ask then here in this way): Isn't it possible to make two different topics for this? I think - as Robert noted - this topic is running off-topic pretty fast. In my opinion it would be great to have the Berlin related posts in this thread, and all the Noriega related comments in another one.

I just looked in the Master List of Witnesses written by Craig Ciccone. In there, there is just a little bit of information about this witness: -- Malcolm Summers, owner Summers Mailing Co, was at North Lawn - South of Elm - West of Altgens, heard two shots - did not say where they came from. Sources: Warren Hearings, vol.19, 500. Accounts: Summers 11/23/63 Dallas County Sheriff's Office statement, in Decker Ex. 5323. -- Hopefully this is of any assistance.