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Photo analysis JR at Midnight press conference

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I've been trying to track a few characters down between 8AM on 11-22 and 8PM on 11-23. Given the testimony I have read, I have to question the presence of Jack Ruby at the late Friday night press conference. We have about 3 photos, and a claim that Ruby was the one who corrected a police official, while being filmed, about the correct name for the FPCC.

I want to ask the ladies and gentlemen of the forum, especially the photo analysis experts, what do you make of this photo. I'll post three of the same, with different contrasts.

***edit   I would have uploaded three, larger, better pics but sometimes the forum software does not allow me to do that. So, if you are inclined, please download  a larger, better pic and have a look-see. Thanks!

 

 

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Is there not film of JR, leaning into the frame at left to correct Henry Wade, as the camera pans away from Wade discussing Oswald's associations?

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23 minutes ago, David Andrews said:

Is there not film of JR, leaning into the frame at left to correct Henry Wade, as the camera pans away from Wade discussing Oswald's associations?

Yes there is David, thanks for your reply. Also the above photo appears to be a film frame, as I've seen three or 4 shots that are slightly different from each other. Being a film frame may explain why the above shot looks a bit goofy to me. I have not seen that film yet.

Cheers, Mike

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Jack Ruby at Dallas Police Headquarters

New York: Jack Ruby (center) mingles with the crowd in a corridor at Dallas Police Headquarters on the night
of November 22, 1963, after President Kennedy's assassination earlier that day. Two days later, Ruby
stepped out of the crowd in the basement of the same building to fire the shot that killed Lee Harvey
Oswald, the accused assassin of the President. The scene pictured here is from the CBS News Extra
<November 22 and the Warren Report> to be broadcast September 27.

 

 

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A television broadcast captures Jack Ruby and reporters at the Lee Harvey Oswald press conference two
days after Oswald's arrest in Dallas, Texas in conjunction with the assassination of President Kennedy.
Ruby, a local night club owner, shot and killed Oswald during this broadcast.

 

 

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Guards escort Lee Harvey Oswald during a television press conference at the Dallas police headquarters
 two days after the assassination of President Kennedy. In the foreground stands local night club
owner Jack Ruby who would assassinate Oswald minutes later.

P.S. Not I that wrote the words under each of those images, so no contentions on my part to their veracity. Just wanted to show the pics. ;)

Edited by Alistair Briggs
Adding P.S. for clarification.

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Thanks Alistair. While reading testimony I have read at least one account of Ruby being alsewhere at the time of the press conference. I'll quote DPD Officer Olsen below. It cought my attention because I thought I had seen several accounts of JR being elsewhere before I started taking note of that discrepancy. I'll re-read to find the other accounts.

Mr SPECTER. Did you go anyplace else?
Mr OLSEN. We went to a garage.
Mr SPECTER. Where was that garage located?
Mr OLSEN. Jackson and Field.
Mr SPECTER. What was the purpose of going to a garage at Jackson and Field?
Mr OLSEN. We knew the man who worked there.
Mr SPECTER. What was his name?
Mr OLSEN. Johnny is all I know him by.
Mr SPECTER. What sort of work did he do at that garage?
Mr OLSEN. He was an attendant.
Mr SPECTER. Why did you want to go see him?
Mr OLSEN. To talk.
Mr SPECTER. For any special purpose?
Mr OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr SPECTER. Do you recollect about what time you arrived at that garage?
Mr OLSEN. Oh, 12, approximately.
Mr SPECTER. Did you see Johnny when you were there?
Mr OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr SPECTER. Did you see anybody else while you were at that garage?
Mr OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr SPECTER. Who else did you see?
Mr OLSEN. Jack Ruby.
Mr SPECTER. Did you see anybody else besides Johnny and Jack Ruby?
Mr OLSEN. Not that I remember; no. 

Mr. SPECTER. Now, before seeing Ruby at the garage on that Friday night, when had you seen him most recently before that time?
Mr OLSEN. It could have been a few days or a week.
Mr SPECTER. Do you recall where it was that you saw him prior to this Friday night?

Mr OLSEN. Oh, it was probably outside of his club.
Mr SPECTER. Do you recall the specific instance or are you just saying what you think probably occurred?
Mr OLSEN. I am just saying what probably occurred, because I don't remember when I saw him before that.
Mr SPECTER. Do you have any recollection what your conversation was with Mr. Ruby when you saw him prior to this Friday night?
Mr OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr SPECTER. How long did you talk to Mr. Ruby on this Friday night?
Mr OLSEN. Two or three hours.

 

I am now looking to find out who "Johnny" is, and to see if he testified..

 

 

 

 

 

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Officer Olsen married Kathy Kay...

SPECTER. When were you and Mrs. Kay Olsen married?
Mr OLSEN. I believe it was December. It could have been January.
Mr SPECTER. December of what year?
Mr OLSEN. 1963, or January of 1964.

....and they moved to California.

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Olsen was in a serious car accident on Dec. 7

SPECTER. When did you last talk to Wally Weston?
Mr OLSEN. When I was in the hospital after the car accident.
Mr SPECTER. When did that car accident occur?
Mr OLSEN. December 7.
Mr SPECTER. How long were you in the hospital? 

Mr OLSEN. Two weeks, two and a half weeks.
Mr SPECTER. What injuries did you sustain in that automobile collision?
Mr OLSEN. I rebroke my leg.
Mr SPECTER. In the same place?
Mr OLSEN. The same place and some more breaks. And I cracked my chest bone.
Mr SPECTER. Indicating your sternum?
Mr OLSEN. Yes, sir. And I broke some ribs.
Mr SPECTER. What hospital were you in?
Mr OLSEN. Methodist.

 

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No contentions on my part, but here is a paragraph from Wiki about Ruby (for informational purposes only) ;)

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Ruby was seen in the halls of the Dallas Police Headquarters on several occasions after Lee Harvey Oswald's arrest on November 22, 1963; newsreel footage from WFAA-TV (Dallas) and NBC shows that Ruby impersonated a newspaper reporter during a press conference at Dallas Police Headquarters on the night of Kennedy's death.[29] District Attorney Henry Wade briefed reporters at the press conference telling them that Lee Oswald was a member of the anti-Castro Free Cuba Committee. Ruby was one of several people there who spoke up to correct Wade, saying, "Henry, that's the Fair Play for Cuba Committee," a pro-Castro organization.[30][31][32] Ruby told the FBI, a month after his arrest for killing Oswald, that he had his loaded snub-nosed Colt Cobra .38 revolver in his right pocket during the press conference

 

15 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

I am now looking to find out who "Johnny" is, and to see if he testified..

Johnny Johnson.

Michael, later on I will delve in to my notes and try and dig out the Ruby timeline and offer it up for correction. ;)

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Thanks Alistair, what I am seeing is some weird stuff going on that night at the Carousel and associated garage behind it. Larry Crafard was supposedly on the phone for 4 hours with a girl, unknown to him, while he was at the Carousel between 11PM and three.

What I am getting at is that I will seem very sceptical of any evidence that Ruby was at that press conference. I think it is hugely important that he is not placed at the garage, for some reason. Of course, 55 years later, it doesn't matter much, and we'll never know unless Crafard or one of the Olsen's are still alive and has something new to say.

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I am not seeing "Johnny" Johnson's testimony.

 

Johns Thomas L. Original Report Agent, U.S. Secret Service
Johnson, C. W. Shaw preliminary hearing testimony District Director of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, New Orleans
Johnson, Arnold Samuel WC Testimony Director of Information and Lecture Bureau, Communist Party, U.S.A.
Johnson, Arthur Carl WC Testimony Owner of roominghouse in Dallas where Oswald resided.
Johnson, Clemon Earl 3/18/64 FBI report Witness at assassination scene.
Johnson, Joseph Weldon, Jr. WC Testimony Acquaintance of Jack Ruby
Johnson, Mrs. Arthur Carl WC Testimony Wife of A. C. Johnson
Johnson, Mrs. Lyndon B. WC Statement Wife of the President of the United States.
Johnson, Lyndon B. WC Statement President of the United States
Johnson, Marvin WC Testimony Member, Dallas Police Department
Johnson, Priscilla Mary Post WC TestimonyARRB Testimony Newspaper reporter who interviewed Oswald in Russia.
Johnson, Speedy WC Testimony Acquaintance of Jack Ruby.
Johnston, David L. WC Testimony Justice of the peace, Dallas.
Jones, C. M. 11/22/63 Sheriff's report Deputy Sheriff, County of Dallas
Jones, Orville Aubrey WC Testimony

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1 hour ago, Michael Clark said:

Thanks Alistair. While reading testimony I have read at least one account of Ruby being alsewhere at the time of the press conference. I'll quote office Olsen below. It cought my attention because I thought I had seen several accounts of JR being elsewhere before I started taking note of that discrepancy. I'll re-read to find the other accounts.

 

Michael,

 

JP David Johnston said that between 12:15 and 12:30, Jack Ruby walked up to him and handed him a pass to the Carousel Club. He included a copy of the pass Ruby gave him in his report.

 

20H315

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137#relPageId=335&tab=page

 

Steve Thomas

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1 minute ago, Steve Thomas said:

Michael,

 

JP David Johnston said that between 12:15 and 12:30, Jack Ruby walked up to him and handed him a pass to the Carousel Club. He included a copy of the pass Ruby gave him in his report.

 

20H315

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137#relPageId=335&tab=page

 

Steve Thomas

Thanks Steve.

I am trying to confirm who is who. I think "Johnny" is the garage mechanic or owner. He would be distinct from JP David Johnson, if I am not mistaken.

There seems to be a significant effort to document JR's presence at the police station at that time. The only reason I have yet found for that would be to counter Officer Olsen's claim to the contrary; that Ruby was at the garage adjacent to the (closed) Carousel Lounge. Those efforts seem to draw attention to themselves. 

I have a lot of bases to cover while looking into this. The only motivation to do so is scepticism. All one has to do is say that Olsen's testimony has been proven incorrect in light of other evidence.

Thanks again.

 

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IMG_1093.PNG

(Above is the photo from the opening post)
(Below is a larger version found online)

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(Below is Comission Exhibit No.2424)

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(Two different photos? Or two different frames taken from a clip? Or one photograph and one frame from a clip?)

Edited by Alistair Briggs

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Alistair, I think it has to be frames from a film as they are taken apparently so close in time. I am looking for that footage.

Cheers, Mike

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