William Plumlee

FROM AN OLD POST. OCT. 28, 2004 BROUGHT FORWARD IN REFERENCE TO RECENT QUESTIONS ASK ABOUT THE SOUTH KNOLL This is the first I've ever heard of a newsman and news truck in the South Knoll parking lot. As for earwitnesses, Tosh has a funny story about setting off a firecracker on the South Knoll during a subsequent visit and having everyone in the Plaza turn toward the North Knoll. He says the police were there rather quickly. I think Al Carrier's stuff is very good about the advantageous LOS from the front on the South Knoll, as well as how it could explain the lack of a left side head blowout. As I have said previously, Al gave me permission to post his stuff here, but I just don't feel comfortable doing that. When I'm there in a few weeks, I will be taking many pictures and hope that my study of the classic gunman LOS is not thwarted by an overgrown pyracantha [sp?] tree. I want to again emphasize that I have no certainty about this issue, and that maybe walking the walk rather than just talking the talk will convince me on a personal level that I have resisted. I just don't know. I'm going on the same weekend as the conferences but not attending any except possibly the COPA Friday night, so I hope you can appreciate what an effort that is to make in order to have the sun and conditions be optimal for the understanding of light and shadow. Tim <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Plumlee reply: "... I have read most of the material that has been presented on this thread about the lights and shadows, a person there.., a person not there..., why he was there and why he was not there. All seem to present good points in their arguments. But all is just wild speculations as far as I am concern. Some have become so entrenched in their work that this subject matter has become their main focal point and they have become blinded to others valid points or none valid points and miss the whole picture. JFK was EXECUTED, in public. There is no simple answer. And lights and shadows, people there, and people not there brings us no closer to the truth, or identification, of who shot him, or how many additional shooters there were, if any. Now I will throw my spuculations into the fray. (1) I do not believe that there was a shooter anywhere near the north knoll; behind a fence; on a car hood; in the parking lot; behind a wall. I do not care what the "Experts" say. They have not proven their case to me beyond a resonable doubt. That goes for the South Knoll as well as the North Knoll locations. Today we have better equipment to photo work these pictures. That technique should be applied by professional personal.., example Law enforcement or private corp. that deal with such matters. What I think. What you think. And what the public has been led to think is of no value today. (2) I do not believe that a professional snipper team would place a shooter that close to the public with a rifle or a pistol. (within twenty five feet of people watching the motorcade and between the personal on the overpass and the kill zone.) If that WAS the case it would have been done by amatures and they would have been caught before they got away from their position. (3) I was there. I helped Sergio spot for that type of stuff. And there were others, from our team, who were at the North Knoll. I have been told by the expert researchers, over the years, that they (my team) were part of the assassination team and that I was also. B.S. That too, is speculation or their part and not a proven fact. I have never said that I know all the facts behind the assassination. But, I damn well know a few of them. If we had tried to interfer with the assins and "Take them out" , as some have said (if we had found them) Then a lot of innocent people would have been killed or hurt that day and the OPS and the background information of how it was obtained would have been compromised. It would have been a blood bath in the plaza. Our job was to interupt their timing and remain "in the background" None of this was to ever be known by the public. It was a military Covert Ops. Anyone ever associated with that type of warfare knows what that means. I hope this helps.. Its not meant to be critical. Thanks for all the information. Tosh

Rex. Not sure if this helps, but there are seven pages withheld in an FBI report dated approx August of 1976 (reference (62-2116 for correct dates) found within the PHX-72 OO (Office of Origin) field report) referenced as a FBI 62-2116- (???pgs) file. These pages were sanitized in full in 1993, but made reference to the death of John Roselli and his previous associates. (referenced Phoenix Organized Crime, Sgt Ed Salem and Sgt Harry Hawkins, as well as the Tri-State Drug Task Force, chaired then by Arizona Governor, Bruce Babbit. Also Senator Berry Goldwater's name was also found within these pages, but not sure in what context) Also this report was part of information obtained from "Dade County Homicide, Miami Florida" in 1978 (I think). Those none sanitized pages made reference to Trafficante, John Farrentello, John Martino, Tony Varona, John Mc Cord, and Charles Nicolette, ? Mc Willie? I think but not sure. There were also references to the 'Grace Ranch' of Tucson Arizona and the 'Mc Cord Ranch of New Mexico'. The FBI file was sanitized, however the Dade County information was not and that information was not included within the FBI data banks of 1993. This subject came up during the hearings of Senator John Kerry's investigations into Iran/Contra and Narco.., which was Classified Top Secret Committee Sensitive, and remains classified as of this date. This information also "Fell through the cracks" so to speak I have just been informed that more classified pages on Roselli are to be released in the nex 30 days ( 30 days from Feb15,2008. I believe that the seven pages arer in thiese releases

Excellent points, Dawn. Two factions were fighting over the cover-up post-assassination -- Bundy/Harriman pressed the lone assassin angle while Hoover/CIA MEXI/US-Mexico Amb Mann pressed the Castro-did-it story. For the Yankees the murder of JFK was a contingency that hadn't arrived; for the Cowboys it was their last shot at retaking Havana. In this scenario Roselli may have acted as a go-between these two factions. "Friends of ours want this called off." "Tell them we can't do that." I know you've been over this a million times, Tosh, but could you go over your impressions of Roselli and where and when he disembarked? I'll do my best. Roselli and I were friends and I had flown him to many places. Bimini, the Cayman Islands, Cuba, one time, Las Vegas's Thunderbird Inn, and Santa Barbra CA. and Galveston Texas. Most of what I tell you is at this point from memory and if I fail in some respects its because of memory and memory only. I am nowhere near any of my files and documents so as to give you references. I have always tried to give references or documentation when I have had something to say. ( if there were any references as to documentation. (Most of the Roselli matters were never documented) The complete record is posted in various places on the net and in forums. Roselli did not hate Kennedy like some have said. I can not speak for the Mafia, but there were divisions among them, Pro and Con in reference to JFK. Roselli was a go between for the CIA, JM/WAVE and MIAMI STATION. He used the name as Col. Rawlston (my spelling) assigned by the CIA. The name Ralston is found in some documentation and he (Roselli) was a "CIA-Cut Out" and worked with John Martino as well as others. Roselli got off at Garland, not Red Bird as some of long ago tried to get me to say. He did not reboard the aircraft at Red Bird after the assassination. I did not see him after he left Garland. Phillips was one of the INDIRECT contacts with Roselli and any information was passed to Martino or Varona from Phillips first and one time later to Tony Varona and HL Hunt and then to Roselli. (or perhaps the other way around, concerning Hunt... however, I believe Hunt never had direct contact with Roselli... only as a cut-out no direct contact. The same for Phillips) Roselli was the "go between", between the CIA and the Mafia. Mahue was also a contact of Col Ralston and Mahue was a cut out for H Hughes. (memory) There was also others in this mix Mc Mahon and a Mc Cord of Tucsom and the Grace Ranch of Arizona. I meet Roselli at Bay Front Park, Miami Florida around 1960 I think (memory) and John Farrentello and another person who slips my mind at present introduced me to Him. Roselli got me into the Fountain Blu shortly after it opened. (again memory as to the year) I hope this gives you some background as to who Roselli really was and who he was working far. Thanks! Unlike others I have no reason to dismiss your account. I'm curious about Robert Bennett -- was this the same Robert Bennett as the current junior Senator from Utah? Could you go over again your interactions with him? NO. It was not the same person. My case officer, one of many, was Robert"Ben net tee", (phonet spel) as well as "Paul Lee" of the Denver contact Div. And too, this was an Operative name assigned by CIA, an alias if you will, used at JM/WAVE HDQ. My name at the time was William H "Buck Pearson; (not Buck Parsons as some have said I claimed his ID.., note Persons and Pearson spellings.. and too, not Pierson, different people, different names. I knew Buck Persons and flew with him in the early sixties in Central America before the "Bay of Pigs". Some have tried to say I used his name and fame. Not true as FBI FOIA documents state Wm Plumlee alias William Pearson. (Pierson spellings in one FBI report)

Tosh, You know something we don't? I've always known that LBJ was 'up to his big ears' in the matter and he did have a gang of assassins...and most of the likely players were either Texas-branded or Texas-landed. For sure took place there and since then we've had all too much of the state's powerful holding forth. Wanna drop any more hints or clues you might know about - or is this a hunch or Holmesian 'deduction'? YES! I know a hell of a lot about this. I told you some years ago my feelings and thoughts and tried to back it up with preponderance of what evidence I had at the time... but as you know... nobody wanted that story... but all seemed to focus on the Mafia, Cubans, CIA, Russia, and a host of others who it was said, did the job. I was suppose to confirm those miss-placed stories. I never did that. Although at times I too had my doubts as dis information was pumped into the research community as fact. Even I doubted at times what I really believed. As you know I have always said LBJ was behind the assassination, but most researchers have said I am full of it and so did the FBI. That day in 1964 when I was grilled by the FBI at Buna Vista, I made the mistake of telling them what I thought about LBJ... Boy was that a mistake. The wrath of Hoover came down on me like a ton of bricks. Remember, I grew up in Dallas and I know a lot about the Dallas PD and its connections to Texas organized crime out of Austin and the southern part of the state of Texas and Military Intell of Dallas.. I will NOT be dropping hints or clues...I will tell it like I know and believe from my point of view and the history of my involvement and family in Texas affairs as Jay Harrison proved beyond a shadow of doubt before he too, passed away... I have tried to do this before but if you check the record of this forum and other forums I was not allowed to do this. Why do you think I (and You) have had so much trouble in getting into this matter over the years? If there is nothing to what I know then why all the classified documentation that has been dribbled out over forty years. Why all the government lies as to the documentation they had on me. Why the CIA file? On and On.... You know the drill. I told you years ago and Jim Marrs. That you had no idea what you were getting into. You and Jim did not believe me and too did not believe all that I tried to tell you about Texas.... You and Jim were more interested in going after the CIA and the US Government and you side stepped the Texas issue I raised. You and I had falling outs over that, because you wanted the names of the CIA that were responsible for sending me to Dallas and for those responsible for killing Kennedy as you believed at the time, or at lease that is what I thought.... I told you then you and Jim were on the wrong path, but you guys kept grilling me and telling me I was wrong. In those days we were so secretive we could not get anything done. We were worse than Tom Wilson in that respect.. We had words over that also. Yes I do know a lot. More than some want me to know. I have always said the reason I am alive is because of information I have stated before the fact and if something did happen to me it would only prove I was right and the Kennedy investigation would go in another direction.. Hence, I have been protected to some degree by the CIA and the Federal Government. But in the old days NOT by J Hoover or his FBI gang of old. I believe they (the FBI) at that time knew more about the early planning of the assassination from Texas and they acted as a "Clean-Up" crew after the assassination. Why were so many documents destroyed pertaining to Roselli and Plumlee. Why were the 302 of the Phoenix FBI destroyed?. Why did it take twenty plus years to get only some of the many files on me released? Why did all my FBI files go to the Director (J. Edgar Hoover) himself? Why was I told the FBI had NO information or documents on me when we filed a FOIA? To date over 450 pages have been found and some have only recently been declassified. And there are more, lots more. People want me to fill in all the blanks. I can not do that. I do not know how to fill in all the blanks. I only know what I did and where I was that day and what I was told and told again some years later. I too, have been investigating this matter, because I too, would like to know how it all fits. But from an overall view and as the information slowly comes forward, I feel my thoughts on this subject have been proven. LBJ and the Texas boys known as "The Good Old Boys". Did the deed and to me that is a fact a fact I will try and prove to the day I die. Which could be real soon. I did not mean that the boogy man was going to get me... more like old age... I wanted to clear that before some would ask if the government was going to do me in. No... old age will get me before they do. ha.

Excellent points, Dawn. Two factions were fighting over the cover-up post-assassination -- Bundy/Harriman pressed the lone assassin angle while Hoover/CIA MEXI/US-Mexico Amb Mann pressed the Castro-did-it story. For the Yankees the murder of JFK was a contingency that hadn't arrived; for the Cowboys it was their last shot at retaking Havana. In this scenario Roselli may have acted as a go-between these two factions. "Friends of ours want this called off." "Tell them we can't do that." I know you've been over this a million times, Tosh, but could you go over your impressions of Roselli and where and when he disembarked? I'll do my best. Roselli and I were friends and I had flown him to many places. Bimini, the Cayman Islands, Cuba, one time, Las Vegas's Thunderbird Inn, and Santa Barbra CA. and Galveston Texas. Most of what I tell you is at this point from memory and if I fail in some respects its because of memory and memory only. I am nowhere near any of my files and documents so as to give you references. I have always tried to give references or documentation when I have had something to say. ( if there were any references as to documentation. (Most of the Roselli matters were never documented) The complete record is posted in various places on the net and in forums. Roselli did not hate Kennedy like some have said. I can not speak for the Mafia, but there were divisions among them, Pro and Con in reference to JFK. Roselli was a go between for the CIA, JM/WAVE and MIAMI STATION. He used the name as Col. Rawlston (my spelling) assigned by the CIA. The name Ralston is found in some documentation and he (Roselli) was a "CIA-Cut Out" and worked with John Martino as well as others. Roselli got off at Garland, not Red Bird as some of long ago tried to get me to say. He did not reboard the aircraft at Red Bird after the assassination. I did not see him after he left Garland. Phillips was one of the INDIRECT contacts with Roselli and any information was passed to Martino or Varona from Phillips first and one time later to Tony Varona and HL Hunt and then to Roselli. (or perhaps the other way around, concerning Hunt... however, I believe Hunt never had direct contact with Roselli... only as a cut-out no direct contact. The same for Phillips) Roselli was the "go between", between the CIA and the Mafia. Mahue was also a contact of Col Ralston and Mahue was a cut out for H Hughes. (memory) There was also others in this mix Mc Mahon and a Mc Cord of Tucsom and the Grace Ranch of Arizona. I meet Roselli at Bay Front Park, Miami Florida around 1960 I think (memory) and John Farrentello and another person who slips my mind at present introduced me to Him. Roselli got me into the Fountain Blu shortly after it opened. (again memory as to the year) I hope this gives you some background as to who Roselli really was and who he was working far.

Kathleen: I too, have heard the theory that you mentioned. However, I do not know about that and can't be of much help in that direction. Your other questions have been addressed in detail in scattered places on this forum and at other places for a number of years now. It was detailed to some degree in a post "Flight to Dallas", I think, and posted some years ago. None the less, I will be as brief as I can in responds to your questions. Perhaps others here can bring some of those post forward and therein some of your questions will be answered in more detail. "...Tosh, if you were there, why?...". Information had been received from Military INTEL and CIA Miami Station that a hit was going to be made on the President. The information had been obtained from two people who were going to fire a Bazooka on Air Force One, at West Palm Beach Florida, approximately November 17, 1963. From that interrogation (I was told) of these two people came the information and it was passed to JM/WAVE and to our case officers at West Palm Beach. I was one of the pilots that flew the team into Dallas. I was not "mission operational", at that time other than the pilot. The details of how and why that mission came together I would not know. I was not at the clearance level to know. Most of those details would be reveled to me later. (Some of those details came many years later) "...Were you trying to stop the assassination?...". Yes.. I was asked by Sergio, at Red Bird, if I wanted to go and see the President, Otherwise I would just hang out at Red Bird Airport as I had done on most other transportation type missions. Sergio explained most of the details of what his part was in the overall mission. He was a "Spotter" I did know bits and pieces, but most of the details came from my case officer, Bob Bennett and Sergio. Most of the team did not think much of the mission. They, as well as I, thought it just another wild goose chase and there was nothing to it. There had been many threats and rumors as to the assassination of the Presidents during that time frame. I had worked Dallas with MI on other matters, and was familiar with the area and knew some of the Dallas Cubans as well as knowing of LHO. They, the Dallas Cubans, were NOT involved in any way concerning the assassination. But they were heavily involved in Gun Running to southern Florida and the Cuban exile community) "...If so, by what means --What were you doing to prevent the assassination?...". Sergio's was one of many "spotters". His job was to secure the south side of the Plaza and the south parking lot. Other spotters were working the north side and that parking lot as well as the rail road tracks and overpass. There was communication between all personal on the mission. Sergio had a communication device and I had a clip board and a pair of binoculars. Our communication was spoty at best. nothing worked right. It has been said that I said "we were there to take them out". I have said that, BUT it has been taken out of context. We were there to get close enough to disrupt their, (the assassins) timing and to quickly remove them from the threat. To "take them out" was not meant to shoot them or have a gun fight, like some have said. If that had happened then there would have been a fire fight in the Plaza that day and many, other than the President, would have been killed. As I have said before..if that had happened.... "It would have been a real blood bath... two factions fighting it out in the Plaza". "... hiding in the shadow of a tree some distance away from the action, so to speak?..." We were not hiding in the shadows. We were working our (Sergio's) section. We had just completed our walk through the south parking lot where we saw nothing unusual and had walked past the steps by the fork tree and turned to walk back toward the overpass. The shots were fired at about the time we were just west of the steps and in the shadows of the tree. At that point we knew the mission had failed and it was our job to get out of the area. The team was not to be known about for obvious reasons. ( The reaso for confrimation of the South Knoll Photo about two people standing in the shadows of the tree) I know this does not address all your questions and it would take pages and pages, perhaps books to answer all of them. However, I too, would like some answers about that day and that is why I joined this forum and have tried to help the research community and in turn get some help from them on my questions... That has not worked..... I think its a lost cause today... This story is to far fetched for anyone to believe today, or yesterday for that matter. The record has been lost and only new releases and other documentation will perhaps someday come to surface, but by then I will be long gone and that is the way it is suppose to be. "...;Did you know where the assassins were?...". NO. We were checking for triangulation crossfire that would be used as a sniper attack method. Each section had been divided up and parts of the team went into areas where a sniper would or should be located. It was a type of walk through, spotting most likely places and then getting close enough to wreck their timing on hence "take them out". We failed in that. In fact the whole mission was a mess from start to finish. We were late, getting to the Plaza. And the flight into Dallas was a wreck waiting to happen, weather delays and etc. A question I have been asked many times... "Could some on your team have been assassins?". Yes. Could have been. But that is speculation. But I do not think so. Because of the way some (most) of the teams reaction as to the failure. If it was an attack team then I think they would have been overjoyed that they had carried it off. That was not the case. Nobody on our flight was happy about the chain of events. Nor were any team members taken out that day.. ************************************************************* "Information had been received from Military INTEL and CIA Miami Station that a hit was going to be made on the President. The information had been obtained from two people who were going to fire a Bazooka on Air Force One, at West Palm Beach Florida, approximately November 17, 1963. From that interrogation (I was told) of these two people came the information and it was passed to JM/WAVE and to our case officers at West Palm Beach. I was one of the pilots that flew the team into Dallas. I was not "mission operational," at that time other than the pilot. The details of how and why that mission came together I would not know. I was not at the clearance level to know. Most of those details would be revealed to me later. (Some of those details came many years later)" "I was told sometime after the assassination that the Adolphs Hotel was a strong possibility and that was the location first learned about from information received from Miami, but it was changed at the last minute to the Plaza. By who I have no idea... As I have said I was not at the level to know all the planning steps involved. Some of what I knew then and know now and came after the fact and in conversations with those involved in the team..." Excellent examples of "compartmentalization," inherent in pretty much any detail or operation meted out by those agencies involved, on a regular basis. The nature of the "job" description, or "non-description," if you will. All the better to maintain total control of all the operatives in the field, by the upper echelon producing the show, IMHO. Thanks for hanging in here, Bill, for fielding all the inquiries, and answering them to the best of your ability. Especially, considering the conditions you were forced to work under on that particular day. You're a most obliging and engaging person to have put up with all the "bonafide" researchers and authors, the hack-job disinfo's and misinfo's, as well as with the students. You're doing a stand-up job, my friend. Ter Thanks Terry. That is refreshing. I apreciate your feedback. I will honestly try to do my part and stick to the facts as I know them. I hope I can be of some form of help as to who and why JFK was assassinated.

Tosh, You know something we don't? I've always known that LBJ was 'up to his big ears' in the matter and he did have a gang of assassins...and most of the likely players were either Texas-branded or Texas-landed. For sure took place there and since then we've had all too much of the state's powerful holding forth. Wanna drop any more hints or clues you might know about - or is this a hunch or Holmesian 'deduction'? YES! I know a hell of a lot about this. I told you some years ago my feelings and thoughts and tried to back it up with preponderance of what evidence I had at the time... but as you know... nobody wanted that story... but all seemed to focus on the Mafia, Cubans, CIA, Russia, and a host of others who it was said, did the job. I was suppose to confirm those miss-placed stories. I never did that. Although at times I too had my doubts as dis information was pumped into the research community as fact. Even I doubted at times what I really believed. As you know I have always said LBJ was behind the assassination, but most researchers have said I am full of it and so did the FBI. That day in 1964 when I was grilled by the FBI at Buna Vista, I made the mistake of telling them what I thought about LBJ... Boy was that a mistake. The wrath of Hoover came down on me like a ton of bricks. Remember, I grew up in Dallas and I know a lot about the Dallas PD and its connections to Texas organized crime out of Austin and the southern part of the state of Texas and Military Intell of Dallas.. I will NOT be dropping hints or clues...I will tell it like I know and believe from my point of view and the history of my involvement and family in Texas affairs as Jay Harrison proved beyond a shadow of doubt before he too, passed away... I have tried to do this before but if you check the record of this forum and other forums I was not allowed to do this. Why do you think I (and You) have had so much trouble in getting into this matter over the years? If there is nothing to what I know then why all the classified documentation that has been dribbled out over forty years. Why all the government lies as to the documentation they had on me. Why the CIA file? On and On.... You know the drill. I told you years ago and Jim Marrs. That you had no idea what you were getting into. You and Jim did not believe me and too did not believe all that I tried to tell you about Texas.... You and Jim were more interested in going after the CIA and the US Government and you side stepped the Texas issue I raised. You and I had falling outs over that, because you wanted the names of the CIA that were responsible for sending me to Dallas and for those responsible for killing Kennedy as you believed at the time, or at lease that is what I thought.... I told you then you and Jim were on the wrong path, but you guys kept grilling me and telling me I was wrong. In those days we were so secretive we could not get anything done. We were worse than Tom Wilson in that respect.. We had words over that also. Yes I do know a lot. More than some want me to know. I have always said the reason I am alive is because of information I have stated before the fact and if something did happen to me it would only prove I was right and the Kennedy investigation would go in another direction.. Hence, I have been protected to some degree by the CIA and the Federal Government. But in the old days NOT by J Hoover or his FBI gang of old. I believe they (the FBI) at that time knew more about the early planning of the assassination from Texas and they acted as a "Clean-Up" crew after the assassination. Why were so many documents destroyed pertaining to Roselli and Plumlee. Why were the 302 of the Phoenix FBI destroyed?. Why did it take twenty plus years to get only some of the many files on me released? Why did all my FBI files go to the Director (J. Edgar Hoover) himself? Why was I told the FBI had NO information or documents on me when we filed a FOIA? To date over 450 pages have been found and some have only recently been declassified. And there are more, lots more. People want me to fill in all the blanks. I can not do that. I do not know how to fill in all the blanks. I only know what I did and where I was that day and what I was told and told again some years later. I too, have been investigating this matter, because I too, would like to know how it all fits. But from an overall view and as the information slowly comes forward, I feel my thoughts on this subject have been proven. LBJ and the Texas boys known as "The Good Old Boys". Did the deed and to me that is a fact a fact I will try and prove to the day I die. Which could be real soon.

Yes Dawn. I too, hope this will come forward. I have blocked out a few days so as to answer questions. It takes a lot of time and typing to do this. But for me this is a last ditch effort to help for whatever its worth. I do hope we can get into a communication mood and not the back-biteing name calling and ect.. I'll do my part the best I can. I feel I owe at least that much to this generation of researchers who are serious in their work.

Thanks Ron. Yes I have said the RR tracks were raised, as I remember, more than what they are now, approximately four or five feet I stated. The picture you posted is not clear and to some degree looking down on the tracks and cannot be of much help in showing the elevation of the raised RR bed and the cross ties . However, if you look at a picture from a head on view(looking west) toward the overpass) I think you will see this raised RR bed more clearly. When we crossed the tracks the base of the overpass was at a line at about the bottom of the banister railing and the crushed rock, ties, and tracks were much higher. Sometime after the metro this elevation was changed. Today the tracks are still raised on the RR bed, but not as high because the metro is not as heavy as regular trains. Also there is or was a permit to that effect with the City of Dallas and MKT started the metro project, when the Metro was planned. Sometime back a picture of this change was shown, taken from the same level as the base of the overpass looking south, and those tracks are about two feet high of so. Perhaps someone can post this picture. I think it was taken by Tim Carrol before he died and posted on this forum. Today you can see the finish grade of the old base of the overpass before the bed of the RR was built or laid. (an overlay of crushed rock was put over the bridge base and thetracks and ties were put on that crushed base of rock for support of the weight of the trains. Also there were about two sets of tracks that were graded toward the north (on a down hill toward the north) from the overpass so as to allow freight cars to free roll toward the tower and rail yard. That is called " Free Stacking". It was used a lot to get freight cars into position without the locomotive having to pull or push them into position. That was the reason or one of the reasons for the rail bed being so high above the overpass base line.

XXXX "...Am I correct to assume that the threat to which your team was responding was specific to Dealey Plaza, as opposed to any other location in and around Dallas?..". I was told sometime after the assassination that the Adolphs Hotel was a strong possibility and that was the location first learned about from information received from Miami, but it was changed at the last minute to the Plaza. By who I have no idea.. As I have said I was not at the level to know all the planning steps involved. Some of what I knew then and know now and came after the fact and in conversations with those involved in the team.. . "...If not, then either there were other abort teams from Love Field to the Trade Mart, or your guys just got lucky so to speak.".. Well, I don't know about "Lucky". At the time I did not know about any other abort teams, or assassin teams for that matter.. A few years later from Bernard Finisterwald the Trade Mart teams were mentioned, but I knew nothing about them and he did not say abort or assassin teams. "...Prior to JFK's arrival in the Plaza, did you and/or any other members of the team take note of unnaturally thin security measures there? I speak of the absence of a full security contingent on the ground, open and unguarded windows, violations of Secret Service motorcade protocols related to sharp turns on the route, etc.?...". Yes. Sergio mentioned this many times. In fact it was mentioned on radio. "Where is everybody?". Communication breakdown was common. People were not where they were suppose to be and the north side was in an "out of control" state of mind. Security for a President was very thin and I thought at the time a set up. It was a very uneasy feeling for both Sergio and I. We did look at the windows and surrounding area and we felt very uneasy about the openness of the Plaza and no protection. I have said this many times to investigators. "...If such deficiencies had been noted PRIOR to the president's approach to the Plaza, am I correct to assume that you would have realized that this threat was anything but a false alarm and thus acted in a more pro-active or aggressive manner? IF we had all the information and IF we had known more and believe a real threat was emmient, then we would have been more diligent in our work and perhaps things would have worked out different. "...How do you account for the failure of other team members to clear the knoll and/or other possible shooter locations? Anything on that would be speculation on my part. I feel they did not think there was a real threat. I think they felt that the Presidents security had the area under control before we got there.. It was not our responsibility to clear the area after we got there. That was suppose to have already been done. "... Finally, I strongly suspect that you and your team were sent to Dealey Plaza in order to be scapegoated as false sponsors and/or to muddy the waters for honest investigators. Does this make sense to you?...". To some degree, yes. However, as I have said I was not at the level to know the whys and so fourths or the inside planning of the mission. However, the fact that the information came from the Pentagon and MI and relayed via CIA makes me think it was a real abort team. If this is a fact as to what you say. Then I would have to think that higher ups from within the WH got the information at the same time we got it and they tampered with the planning and sent in false personal to confuse the issue and open the door for the attack by others. I would have to look at SS security that had direct contact with personal in the WH. "...Be well, Charles .....". You take care.... Tosh

Perhaps someday soon this JFK investigation will go where it should have gone long ago, toward LBJ and his gang of assassins.. Texas and its background leading to the assassination is an important chapter in reference to what really happened in Dallas that day...In time I feel it will all fit into place and the real story about the "Texas Connection" to the assassination of President Kennedy will come forth. I hope it happens in my life time.... but its not suppose to. Not until all the players oare dead and gone... there are not to many Texas players left today.

Kathleen: I too, have heard the theory that you mentioned. However, I do not know about that and can't be of much help in that direction. Your other questions have been addressed in detail in scattered places on this forum and at other places for a number of years now. It was detailed to some degree in a post "Flight to Dallas", I think, and posted some years ago. None the less, I will be as brief as I can in responds to your questions. Perhaps others here can bring some of those post forward and therein some of your questions will be answered in more detail. "...Tosh, if you were there, why?...". Information had been received from Military INTEL and CIA Miami Station that a hit was going to be made on the President. The information had been obtained from two people who were going to fire a Bazooka on Air Force One, at West Palm Beach Florida, approximately November 17, 1963. From that interrogation (I was told) of these two people came the information and it was passed to JM/WAVE and to our case officers at West Palm Beach. I was one of the pilots that flew the team into Dallas. I was not "mission operational", at that time other than the pilot. The details of how and why that mission came together I would not know. I was not at the clearance level to know. Most of those details would be reveled to me later. (Some of those details came many years later) "...Were you trying to stop the assassination?...". Yes.. I was asked by Sergio, at Red Bird, if I wanted to go and see the President, Otherwise I would just hang out at Red Bird Airport as I had done on most other transportation type missions. Sergio explained most of the details of what his part was in the overall mission. He was a "Spotter" I did know bits and pieces, but most of the details came from my case officer, Bob Bennett and Sergio. Most of the team did not think much of the mission. They, as well as I, thought it just another wild goose chase and there was nothing to it. There had been many threats and rumors as to the assassination of the Presidents during that time frame. I had worked Dallas with MI on other matters, and was familiar with the area and knew some of the Dallas Cubans as well as knowing of LHO. They, the Dallas Cubans, were NOT involved in any way concerning the assassination. But they were heavily involved in Gun Running to southern Florida and the Cuban exile community) "...If so, by what means --What were you doing to prevent the assassination?...". Sergio's was one of many "spotters". His job was to secure the south side of the Plaza and the south parking lot. Other spotters were working the north side and that parking lot as well as the rail road tracks and overpass. There was communication between all personal on the mission. Sergio had a communication device and I had a clip board and a pair of binoculars. Our communication was spoty at best. nothing worked right. It has been said that I said "we were there to take them out". I have said that, BUT it has been taken out of context. We were there to get close enough to disrupt their, (the assassins) timing and to quickly remove them from the threat. To "take them out" was not meant to shoot them or have a gun fight, like some have said. If that had happened then there would have been a fire fight in the Plaza that day and many, other than the President, would have been killed. As I have said before..if that had happened.... "It would have been a real blood bath... two factions fighting it out in the Plaza". "... hiding in the shadow of a tree some distance away from the action, so to speak?..." We were not hiding in the shadows. We were working our (Sergio's) section. We had just completed our walk through the south parking lot where we saw nothing unusual and had walked past the steps by the fork tree and turned to walk back toward the overpass. The shots were fired at about the time we were just west of the steps and in the shadows of the tree. At that point we knew the mission had failed and it was our job to get out of the area. The team was not to be known about for obvious reasons. ( The reaso for confrimation of the South Knoll Photo about two people standing in the shadows of the tree) I know this does not address all your questions and it would take pages and pages, perhaps books to answer all of them. However, I too, would like some answers about that day and that is why I joined this forum and have tried to help the research community and in turn get some help from them on my questions... That has not worked..... I think its a lost cause today... This story is to far fetched for anyone to believe today, or yesterday for that matter. The record has been lost and only new releases and other documentation will perhaps someday come to surface, but by then I will be long gone and that is the way it is suppose to be. "...;Did you know where the assassins were?...". NO. We were checking for triangulation crossfire that would be used as a sniper attack method. Each section had been divided up and parts of the team went into areas where a sniper would or should be located. It was a type of walk through, spotting most likely places and then getting close enough to wreck their timing on hence "take them out". We failed in that. In fact the whole mission was a mess from start to finish. We were late, getting to the Plaza. And the flight into Dallas was a wreck waiting to happen, weather delays and etc. A question I have been asked many times... "Could some on your team have been assassins?". Yes. Could have been. But that is speculation. But I do not think so. Because of the way some (most) of the teams reaction as to the failure. If it was an attack team then I think they would have been overjoyed that they had carried it off. That was not the case. Nobody on our flight was happy about the chain of events. Nor were any team members taken out that day..

Charles. Its been almost a year of this thread and as yet nothing has been done in reference to any of the photos of the south knoll and others. The only thing which has been accomplished is the threads go nowhere and the subject matter goes into the black hole. What is most important? How the work was done or what the work of Wilson's pointed out. As to the south knoll photo and if shown that two people were there in the shadow of the forked tree, then what does that mean? What questions will this raise if it is prove that there were two persons at that location? We will never get to that point. Its been over a year of back and forth as to the photo work and how it was or was not done. Seems we miss the real point of why these two people, if real, were there on the south knoll. Why were they there and too, why were they not interviewed. The story behind the photo is a interesting story when you mention that the FBI knew about these two people many years ago. Why were they not questioned even after one of these persons stated they were there? I too, brought this thread forward, but it too will die on the vine and the subject matter will not be addressed. What would these two people in the photo, if real, have to say on the subject of what they saw and why they were there? To me that is the real issues. I understand the work has to be validated. However, we speculate on everything else that comes down the pike in reference to the assassination of JFK.... but this matter seems to be "Taboo" for whatever reasons. For the benefit of doubt lets say there were two people there... what would that really mean? Would what these two persons have to say really mean anything? Did they hear any shots? From where? How many? What were they going to do? Were they there to kill the President? OR were they there for other reasons? We drift off into speculations on many matters as to JFK. But as to the two people on the south knoll we stay away from that subject and if we push we are attacked and called liars. But the FBI does come to one of them asking many questions about the south knoll and they take things out of your burned house. Why?

I am familiar with Tom's work for Peter, because it was I who persuaded Tom to take a look. However, he was very secretive with both Peter and me about what he found. He would only tell me that he found TWO MEN in the tree shadows. I never saw his work on this, and frankly was doubtful, since darkroom enhancement of the area showed nothing. He would not show Peter what he found either, and soon his relations with Peter soured, because I feel he thought Peter was being too "pushy" and impatient for progress...plus he was busy building his lawsuit against the govt. Jack What does the south knoll photo really mean? Two people in the shadows of a tree? It means nothing unless you take into account the story behind the photo and how it came into being and the background of the people in question.. (1) the location of these two people were first told to the FBI in Buna Vista Colorado in April and May of 1964. The FBI was not at all interested in the story and said there was nobody there because they had pictures of the aera and it did not show anyone at that location. They also said their investigation proved I was at another location in Florida at the time of the assassination. I was not. ( THE Cancellara Photo had not surfaced at this early date, 1964) It was also stated by the FBI that if I (Plumlee) did not quit talking about Dallas and my wild stories concerning the assassination I would never get out of jail ( I was in lock up from about two weeks after the JFK until sometime shortly after the WC completed its findings. I was never interviewed by the WC) Some years later (1980) Barnard Finsterwald Jr and Gary Shaw had a copy of the Cancellara photo which appeared in Gary Shaws early or first book (can't recall name about 1976 ??) I was shown that picture for the first time and I pointed out to them where Sergio and I were standing at the time of the shots. (near and within the shadows of the fork tree. I drew them a map of our route out of Delay Plaza. Shortly after that my house in Grant Colorado was burned down and I was beat up at a Evergreen Colorado Bar and had ten stitches in right forehead and eye. A few months later, I was shot at in my truck and ran off the road. There were passengers in the truck at the time who have given statements to law enforcement) Some years later (1990 ??) Jim Maras and Peter Lambkin and I started research on this subject and others concerning JFK and OPS. It that point all hell broke loose and the FBI hounded me for years and IRS took all my holdings and bank accounts for back taxes) We, the three of us continued to work on trying to prove I and Sergio were there that day and at that location on the south knoll when the shots were fired Around that time Jim Maras introduced me to Jack White and the photo came up and I was under the impression that Jack White was going to look into the picture. I was told he had done that and he failed to see anything there. Soon thereafter Peter Lambkin retained Tom Wilson to take a look at the picture. Carl Which also looked at Tom's work, I was told. I was also told he (Wilson) had found two people near or at the forked tree, but he was working on it . Shortly after that and just before he died The FBI contacted me in Denver Colorado asking about the picture and they showed me a copy and wanted me to mark the location where we were standing. I refused. They also showed me an affidavit which my brother had signed that stated I was in Dallas early AM visiting my step-mother his mother. I refused to help them in any way because I was pissed at them because of the IRS matter. I told them to shove it and to talk to the CIA if they wanted to know anything about what I did and had done, including Iran-Contra operations. I felt I was being set up. Now that is a very rough background as to the events which leads to this south knoll investigation and the photo.. (For the sake of time, I have been about as short as I Can make this) The reason this is important to the investigation, is because it proves two people were there and when you take into account the background of these two people then it should be looked into. I have always felt that photo is an important link and should be looked into, perhaps more so than the north knoll.. How and why the software works and who did what back when is really not the issue. Again. What does it prove if two people are proved to be at that location at the time of the shots?. Add that to the "Tall Tales" of the Plumlee story and what have you? Include the new release documents and all the new evidence and take a hard look at what Plumlee has said before the new releases were released.. If two people are prove to be there, then why were they there? To kill the President? Well could they have been at that location for other reasons? I have been called "one of the assassins". Why? Could my story be true if it is proved I was at that location... Why one of the assassins? Why not one who tried to stop it? Preponderance of the evidence over the years and the new declassified documents, I feel should be looked into in order to get the trail to point to the real assassination. That is the issue I feel. Seems each time we start to go into a matter we get drawn away from the subject and our egos get in the way. I say I saw JFK get assassinated. I saw we were sent in to stop it or as I have said long ago "ABORT IT" I do not expect anyone to even read this long post about an old mans forty year plus story.. The JFK matter has been shut down and contaminated by dis information. This story also will die on the vine because this story goes beyond reason and it also conflicts with others theories and their life work has been dedicated to their theories and there is not room for a true tall tale... it goes against the norm and all the experts. If the real story did get out or released then all that has been written would have to be sent to the deep six... and the experts would not be of much help in any new investigations... we would have to breed another group of new experts and investigators, because all the old experts would have discredited themselves by their own works.

He was my CO at Texas National Guard, Dallas Love Field and got me into Army Intel. You amaze me on where you get your pictures... I do respect your sources. ( Capt.John K. Gilbert Cook ) Also do you have anything on Lt. Charles (?) Brannon Tosh, Are you sure the actual name is Charles Brannon? James I think it was Charles not sure if he was called Charles or Robert, but his last name was spelled Brannon he was a 2Lt. Arty spotter and with the Fourth Army I think... he was with a lot of different outfits, but stationed at Ft Bliss arround 1954. He knew and worked later with some of the Dallas Cubans (if I can use that term) around Zangs Blvd in Oak Cliff. ??? I think he signed one of my DD-214 at Bliss and cut orders for me to go the Hensley Field Grand Prairie, Texas "Mountain Lakes", trainning fac. from Ft Bliss or Dallas Love Field. Also Did Captain Gilbert B Cook have a brother named John K Gilbert? Or used the cut out name "Johnney H...", I'm a little fuzzy on how all this came together. Anyway I think John K Gilbert went with the DPD but again this is from memory and I could be off on this point.

Peter, my recollection from reading it two days ago is that he was not surprised Rosselli would come to him representing the CIA, not that he thought Rosselli, whom he had admittedly known for 20 years, worked for the CIA. The more telling point, IMO, is that Maheu, who had supposedly been contracted by the CIA as a cut-out, and whose cover story was that he was working for a businessman (whom everyone would assume to be Howard Hughes) introduced himself as working for the CIA, deliberately BLOWING his cover and giving all those involved get-out-of-jail-free cards. I believe Maheu testified that Rosselli had told him he knew he was working for the CIA, and that Maheu did not deny it, because he didn't want to lose Johnny's trust. I believe he also testified that he never outed himself. Here, Santos says he did. I suspect Santos is telling the truth. I have found a number of other points where Maheu obviously perjured himself. His story about why he wiretapped Dan Rowan has changed numerous times. I wonder if Maheu's kids will have any deathbed confession tapes to sell when he goes. Later on, Maheu and [by extention and independant information] Howard Hughes were both CIA 'assets' - one could wonder when Maheu 'was signed-up' but I'd put my money on by the time of Dallas, for sure.....I've heard that Maheu may have put some money up for 'things Dallas'....and that the money path crossed with those Roselli was making at the time. I'll bet they each knew the other was in the 'fold'. What this shows [once again] is that all the investigations [sic] were sham and they DID get some important leads or potentially important leads and followed them NO WHERE - ON PURPOSE!..... PETER WHY WOULD THE GOVERNMENT DO A THING LIKE THAT. WHAT WOULD BE THEIR MOTIVE? A Plumlee reply to a question asked a few years ago. Posted a few yearsb ago: ".... T. Larry Hancock proved fairly convincingly that the FBI was tracking and wiretapping Roselli just before the assassination, but that Roselli gave them the slip and had a decoy they were tracking in LV when he was in FL and then TX. What do you make of C. Holt at this point...as he says he drove Roselli....yet most believe C. Holt lied about that, but DID make the fake ID and was NOT a tramp....Hunt may have been. At 13:50 2/2/2008, you wrote: And Too... Don't forget this post in reference to Roselli being Rawlston QUOTE(William Kelly @ Sep 30 2006, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE(Wim Dankbaar @ Sep 30 2006, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I hope this does not distratct from my main question to Bill, which was: While some of Holt's info checks out, others don't, and disinfo is planted among the truth. Which particular info did not check out in your experience? Wim Well, he mentioned that he saw about a dozen guys he worked with on previous operaitons at Dealey Plaza, when some of them have been acounted for elsewhere. In addition, he said he drove John Rosselli to Dallas in the Olds station wagon from Grace Ranch. Others claim he was flown in to Dallas in a private plane. I believe FBI wiretaps of Rosselli place him in a Vegas hotel at the time. BK Plumlee reply: The wire tapes that put Roselli in Las Vegas where from April of 1963 when he was at the "Thunderbird Inn". The FBI knew this at the time (63) when they stated he was not in Dallas and used the old survailence tapes to prove same to committee investigators. After the assassination it was said by the FBI that he was in Las Vegas at the time of the shooting and produced said document and tape to committee. (classified) The same reports and the same SAC also put me in West Palm Beach in county jail, in November of 63 but no records were produced or fingerprint booking card was ever produced (classified). Sometime later the FBI said in an "inter-agency memo", (classified) that I was in a Denver Colorado jail in November (reference FBI SAC Scott Warner 62 file and 301/2 file... the 301/2 was destoryed". classified) Fuel receips from aircraft N-63XX Echo were signed by me at the Thunderbird Inn airport in April of 63 (as per FBI 26 file de-classified) In 1978 a flight plann dated from April of 1963 from N63XX Thompson flight service Utah was found in aircraft that had names written on same by pilot (Plumlee) "Col. Rawlston", and also "call Rosellie". ( release date: FOIA 1981 FBI Lab. declassified) Whats the point? Why do some quote the FBI as fact and can do no wrong and then on the other hand say they lie? Can anyone believe anything they had said back then as to the events leading to the assassination? Yet today they say and others that Rosellie was in Las Vegas at the time of the shooting because the FBI said he was there.... and now that becomes a FACT?..... DAH. ...". This post has been edited by William Plumlee: Oct 1 2006, 04:52 PM

Private correspondence is A-OK. Our mutual attorney friend in Texas has my e-mail address, and I'll make sure you get it from that source. Thanks... I am in transit... so if there is a delay.. not to worry..... I understand more released documents (declassified "Olive Branch") are to be released next month? Not sure if this is true but the source has been right before. Take care.

From a post some years ago. Today some of this information has been declassified (reference 1976 classified date) "... Hi Christy: Sorry I have taken so long in getting back to you. I have tried to answer the questions as they come, in order... but it does not seem to work that way.., I'll try to make this short. In early 1954 Fidel Castro was in the southern mountains of Cuba with a "rag tag' bunch of rebels.. about 60 or 70 I think.. The CIA was active in Guatelmala and some of these operatives were soon working in behalf of Castro. That was the start of the gun running to the Cuban Rebels known as the Jul 26 rebel movement. In the United States arms and amo were taken from National Guard Armorys and transported by air and boat to the Castro rebels. It was a CIA OPS and the FBI had no knowledge of the arrangement. Soon the gun running reach epidemic perpotions in the lower southwest and Florida. The M-26-7 was a group of Students inside Cuba working for a free Democratic Cuba. Joe Westbrook operated as contact for CIA "cut-out" contract personal. I think but not real sure that "Wild Bill" Harvey later set in motion a team of contract CIA operatives to supply and work with the M-26-7 and this group were the go betweens for getting weponds from Florida to Cuba. In the early days Havana and safe houses around Havana were used to stage the weapons and explosive before getting them to Castro's rebels in the mountains. Soon this group was used as the main link for the CIA to get Castro the equipment he needed to defeat Batista. After Jan of 1959, all that changed and so did the CIA and its support for Castro... We became "anti-Castro and the whole arm of the U.S. Government was thron againest him......... In the early part of 1963, or perhaps the late part of 62. I flew a lot of operatives and hit men into Cuba. John Rosellie and Jack Ruby went into Cuba many times. Ruby before the fall of Batista and Rosellie also before the Fall of Batista. Rosellie also went in after Castro came into power, twice that I know of. I had contact with a Cuban pilot who was connected to our government. He introduced me to another Cuban who had made contact with President Kennedy that Castro would consider talks. This was the beginning of Lisa Howard and my flying her into Cuba three times I think.. the last time around April or June of 63, about the time of the Wm Pawley affair and the dealings concerning Eddie Bayo.. I flew her from NY to Miami on two other occausions and then covertly from Miami to Havana. I did not know Attwood, but he knew of me as the pilot because I had a long history of covert flights into Cuba. I also talked to her many times about Cuba and at one time she ask if I would like to work with the team who were working with her... I already knew who they were and declined. I was to close to secret assassination teams to eliminate Castro and I was associated with John Rosellie (aka Col Rawlston) from JMWAVE and its EX Action ZR/RIFLE programs.. I would have never got into President Kennedy's "Olive Branch" to Castro program. I would only be a liability and would have been in time 'Eliminated". I know this is spoty and short and perhaps raises more questions that it solves... But you know when I first mentioned this to you.. I think it was some years ago when we were talking about Havana and your Father... long befor the Lisa Howard story and documents were de-classified and released. Right? Take care... hope this helps.. ". AND ONE MORE FROM LONG AGO. "... Thanks Tim: I'll try to insert in italics and bold where I think clarifications should be made, and why: I'll try to keep it brief. The following is my synopsis of Tosh Plumlee's story about his involvement in the assassination in Dallas. If I have missed any particulars, please post them so that we can have a complete, but distilled version of the story. Tosh Plumlee was a Military/CIA covert operative pilot who "knew John Roselli rather well." They first met in late 1960 (could have been in 1958) or early 1961 at Biscayne Park, after coming to the park from "a meeting place called Sloppy Joe's." They were introduced by Johnny Farantello. Plumlee later says "Farentino" (as opposed to "Farantello") "was maybe Frank Sturgis or whoever."( I was asked if it could have been Frank Struges.( I replied 'It could have been, (Sturges) but I did not think so') During 1963, Tosh flew Roselli "perhaps more than 6 or 7 different occasions, to such destinations as Marathon Key, Bimini, Havana, New Orleans, Houston, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas and Santa Barbara. ( I flew Rosellie many times before 1963. I am not sure how many or starting when but I thought it was around 1960) I had flown him to the Thunderbird Inn in Las Vegas and to Burbank CA, and Santa Barbra, Ca. around 1963. Beginning November 21, 1963 Tosh has asserted that he was a co-pilot on a top secret flight aboard a D-18 twin Beach and a DC-3 supported by the CIA. ( The CIA acted as our support we were Military attached at the time The pilot was Emmanuel Rojas. Mr. Plumlee's flight left Florida on November 21, 1963, traveling from a "place called Lantana" in (outside West Palm Beach about five miles south) West Palm Beach to Tampa, where Roselli ("the Colonel") (Col. Rawlston) was picked up after staying at the Congress Inn. The plane then flew to New Orleans, where two people got off and three got on. After flying to Houston International and spending the night at the Hilton, the plane and its occupants continued on to Garland, (instead of Red Bird Airport in Oak Cliff because of weather) where they had to stop "because of weather."

p57- Evaristos Garcia Sr. was a big time bolita bankers in Cuba. When him and his son Evaristos Jr. came to Miami, they formed the core of Trafficante's Cuban mob. Garcia Sr. Jr. later relocated to COsta Rica. p59- Sturgis came to Miami right after Castro took over to ask for help from Dade COunty Criminal Intelligence Bureau. He wanted their file son a suspected hoodlum in Cuba. That man of course was Trafficante. p70. Kaki Argomaniz? He was a Cuban mobster with Trafficante. He was also involved with the World FInance Corporation (WFC), a front back in Miami for the CIA and Trafficante-backed drug traffickers. p74- Santo and Philly boss Angleo Bruno were involved with the Pan American Pest Control Business as well as possible two more. Ironically Kaki Argomaniz, referenced above, was an officer in the King Spray Pest Company, along with two other Trafficante associates. That company was part of the WFC controversy. Bruno had a winter home in North Bay Village. Angelo's wife, Sue, was a partner an interest in a vending machine company owned by Agostino and VIncent Amato, two Trafficante guys in Miami. Well actually they were made members of the Gambino family who were close Trafficante associates. p76- made some afterwards- I talk about some post-assasination incidents in The Silent Don. p82- Santo definitely owned the Sans SOuci- purchased from Pittsburgh mafiosi Gabriel and Kelly Mannarino. He was a definite investor in the Hotel Deauville. He likely had an interest in the Capri. There are a few others that he may have had hidden interests in as well. p88- McWillie and his bodyguard Russell Matthews worked at the Capri - close to Trafficante. Matthews was an associate of Joe Civello in Dallas. McWillie was a CHicago guy. Both knew Jack Ruby. Both knew Trafficante. p89- Trafficante likely knew Rothman through the Mannarinos. Rothman became a trusted associate of Santo's in Miami. Thanks, Scott. You are the authority. As far as Civello/Cellini, it seems likely that Trafficante had a brain hiccup and forgot which one of his cronies was involved. Still, does anyone where Civello was during this period? You might like to do a search on this forum for "Rawlston" and take a look at some of the old post of years ago: Example: Reference to previous post: Documentation and background. http://toshplumlee.info/toshgallerySAFE.htm #7 (release date, 1963 flight plan; Cessna N 63XX Echo: also Plumlee/Rosellie FOIA 1981 FBI Lab. declassified) FBI file locator number for Flight Plan #24-8157 32 Q6 DQ referenced within FBI #26 file/Plumlee; also found at "toshplumlee.info" picture #7; also reference within the Roselli/Plumlee #62-2116 file and the Phoenix FBI #PHX-72, 73 file of 1978, declassified-- as well as the FBI-SS 302 Phoenix file that was destroyed in 1963) " The Flight Plan states: two on board: destination Sky Harbor Phoenix; Alt Airport: Las Vegas; Home base of aircraft; Thompson Flight Service, Salt Lake City; Home address of pilot 'Apple Blosom Lane, Denver Colorado. Contact place while in Phoenix; CARAVAN INN. FBI 26 Files dated April 1963. Phoenix 302 files dated 1963, gun running to Florida. hand writen notes at bottom of flight plan: "J Ralston.... call J Rosellie Miami JMWAVE Col. Rawlston". On file at FBI office since April of 1963 as per FBI 26 file reference "Abd Aircraft, Mc Cord Ranch NM" James Mc Cord interview by FBI.

You said "...(if the government's cover got blown in Dallas).....". Two teams fighting it out? If so, there would have been a "Blood Bath" and many people would have died on the streets with JFK. When failure was evident they had to drift into the shadows from where they had came. "a failed mission". Army Intel new about the Texas Connection. Military was not going to make a hit on JFK, nor were the Cubans, nor the Miami/ NO Mafia... US military? They were there to stop it. The Texas boys were there, well planed and thought out... ways, means, and opertunity. LHO was set up... Fat Dumb and not to happy. Ruby? well he had a debt to pay... or else....

He was my CO at Texas National Guard, Dallas Love Field and got me into Army Intel. You amaze me on where you get your pictures... I do respect your sources. ( Capt.John K. Gilbert Cook ) Also do you have anything on Lt. Charles (?) Brannon

Same guy... I think not sure about his civ trade.... he was an associate of Ed Seiwell... and was atattched from 4th Army to or worked with ONI at Hensley Field Naval Air Station. (INTEL) He also had many friends at Dallas PD and I was told some years ago that he got Rosco White his job at DPD. (second hand verbal) AND too, that he and Ed Walker used to drink at the 'Rainbow Gardens' and the 'Starlite Club' in Dallas and met with some motorcycle cops at Austins Bar BQ in Oak Cliff. (Tommy Pugh and others) He was a close friend of "Candy Barr", or knew her..., again hear say. (But from players in the Dallas scean) Not sure if Ruby fits in hear... that could be a leap.... I would like to know if he (Cook) is still alive.

Hey Tosh, I'm swinging and missing here, sorry to say. I can pull out Pepe San Roman from your list, but whatever I bring to the table on that name is hardly earth-shattering. But I think I take your larger point. And I'll run this rogue's gallery of names through a private archive to which I have access. Wish I could be more helpful. In the meantime, what have you got on Roland "Bud" Culligan, "Planner" Kelly, and "Pro" Lerner, if anything? Where do we come up with these guys? Thanks Charles. I might not have spelled Justo Carrillo (friend of Miro Koley again spelling from memory forgive) right (Car reel i o) I will be back in the USA in a day or two and will get more info for you via private email if that is O.K. Joe Westbrook also was known as Rosales on his mother's side. Also he associated with Chromon (sp) (1957 era) can't remember first name off hand. There were two others "Marquesto" and "Carlos" Carlos later went with Omega-7 and was associated with Bosch. 'Marquesto was thrown out of an aircraft over the Florida Strights, by Carlos. They were known by the Dallas Cubans and the gun running affair out of Dallas... nothing to do with Dallas and JFK. That sort of got pinned on that group by sloppy research and dis information experts. (not from me as some might like to chim in, I'm sure) Again Thanks P.S. I have heard two of your names in various investigations in Miami Dade County, but I too draw a blank... If I said what I think and was wrong then I would be fed to the wolves... if you get my drift. Bud Culligan (Callahand perhaps) Planner-pro-- "Little Boy" ??? mean anything? I think those names might be 'Cut Outs' or not related directly to OPS. could be wrong ..., just a fuz memory at this point....

Thanks James. Billy Joe or Bobby was also connected with a James Solura (sp) and John Martino, and Mitch Warbell, as well as Bo Gritz (sp) of Laos fame. He did a contract for the mob in Mexico, but can remember the details.... He was also an associate of Wm Pawley and the guy who got blown up on the Chesspeak Bay boat explosion (can't recall his name just now.., Paisely??) He, Billy Joe, once lived in El Paso, Texas and was stationed at Ft Bliss Texas. If this is the same person he stold a few parachutes from the army. Billy was also attatched at JM/WAVE's..., Miami Station in the sixties.... I was told by a source at the Pentagon that Billy Joe was in Dallas on that day, but unable to confirm this. He was also connected with Military INTELL at Dallas Love Field for a brief time... again unable to confirm this at CIA, or Fourth Army (now 5th Army). Billy Joe was 16 when he entered the Army.

Tosh, I'm a Brit, and not as aware as you of the merits, or otherwise of the respective candidates. Do you believe that Obama is that much of a threat to the power elite? From what I've seen he looks every inch the typical smooth operating politico. Yes, I do. I feel history is about to repeat. Its like storm clouds and the blowing winds of a change in the weather. If your old enough, one can feel it in their bones. You can go to the Mountain Top, and you can feel it in the icy winds and you can smell it and you can look out across the land and you can see dark clouds churning and thunder booming. The powers that be will not allow positive change for the American people. I believe if he, Obama, continues on the tract he has established and believes in and gains momentum.., he will be taken down... first to the winds of discredit and slander. If that does not work, an accident which will derail his forward movement...it will not be a raciest thing or gender matter it will be a threat to the status quo and the special interest and their lobbyist and Corp sponsors. There is a power elite established out there and as long as you stay in your Ball Park, so to speak, you'll do fine... BUT if you cross the line.... then you will bring their wrath to bear and they will take you out.... It has taken decades for this power structure to get themselves establish. Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush. Ask Jimmy Carter, he knows how that game is played, So did JFK. Do you think they will just give it up because of changes the American people want, or because some new kid on the block, a new guy on the scene, with new ideas and a dream for America's middle class and America as a whole? I think not. Obama makes heart felt promises and presents New Dreams for America?.... We Americans have been there before and we have heard it all from both sides. JFK gave us a dream. MLK gave us a dream. But we Americans never seem to learn. We are more interested in what one does with his "Pee-Pee, than what one does with his brain or his beliefs or his dedication to a cause, or his vote. We Americans deserve the government we get, because we set the bar so low. Most of us cast our vote for 'apathy', "the TV", and the couch. We have gone head long into electronic voting machines, the last was voting was "hanging Chads". You watch 'Touch screens' will not work and this election will be stolen if this man Obama gets that far in his Party... Sure a double ticket..... and then watch out.... Vince Foster, JFK, MLK, and Bobby and a few others might like to say a few things along these lines... But....? In answer to your question. Yes I do. America is not the America of fifty or sixty years ago. America as a democracy lost that election for freedom long long ago. Again I pray I am wrong... But Obama had better tighten up his security to watch his asigned security and those who suddenly want to protect him. He is being watched and monitored. And when the Powers that be move... They Move Fast.