Denis Morissette

20 minutes ago, Micah Mileto said:

Top 9 problems with Johnny Brewer I know of:

1. Brewer's first statement was made on 12/6/63, two weeks after the assassination, not the same day or the day after, which would have been preferable for an important witness. 

2. Brewer claimed to have SEEN, not heard, Police vehicles passing by a location where they almost certainly were not present.

3. Brewer claimed to have heard a description of the suspect on the radio BEFORE he saw the suspect, even though evidently no such description was circulating public airwaves at this time. 

4. Brewer claimed to SEE the suspect enter the Texas Theater without buying a ticket, yet he also claimed to have asked the clerk if the suspect bought a ticket. 

5. As summarized on harveyandlee.net:  A very close friend of Jack Ruby's, Tommy Rowe, worked at Hardy's Shoe Store with Brewer. In 1964 Rowe told friends, relatives, and JFK researchers that it was he, NOT Brewer, who pointed out (HARVEY) Oswald to the police in the dark of the Texas Theater. Rowe was so close to Jack Ruby that Rowe moved into Ruby's apartment when Ruby went to jail for killing HARVEY Oswald. (Click here to see Midlothian Mirror editorial about Tommy Rowe.)  (Click here for a 3/1/68 Los Angeles Free Press interview with Penn Jones and Roger Craig also discussing Tommy Rowe.) Unfortunately, Tommy Rowe was never interviewed by the DPD or FBI or WC or HSCA. It is worth repeating that in 1967 the New Orleans District Attorney's office interviewed Tommy Rowe, who lived in Apt. 206 at 223 S. Ewing (the same apartment occupied by Jack Ruby in 1963). Mr. Rowe said that he told shoe store manager Johnny Brewer that he saw a man wear­ing a brown shirt enter the Texas Theater on the afternoon of November 22, 1963. If Rowe's statement is true then Johnny Brewer never saw the man in the brown shirt in front of his store, enter the theater, nor did he point out (HARVEY) to the police.

6. When interviewed by Ian Griggs, Brewer claimed that two acquaintances were also present in the shoe store, who he would not identify besides to say they were employees of IBM. 

7. As summarized by Gokay Hasan Yusuf on KennedysAndKing.com: When Ian Griggs interviewed Johnny Brewer in 1996, Brewer told him that he heard Oswald shout out "It's all over"; or words to that effect (Griggs, No Case to Answer, page 64). But when Brewer testified before the Warren Commission, Brewer merely claimed that he heard some hollering, and that he couldn't make out exactly what Oswald said (WC Volume VII, page 6)

8. ibid: When Johnny Brewer testified before the Warren Commission, he claimed that he observed a gun in Oswald's hand aimed "up in the air" (WC Volume VII, page 6). During his interview with Ian Griggs in 1996, he now claimed that Oswald was trying to shoot McDonald in the head (Griggs, No Case to Answer, page 64). Yet, none of the other witnesses and the arresting Officers, let alone Nick McDonald, claimed that this is what they had seen during the scuffle. Moreover, Brewer's claim is directly contradicted by Charles Walker, who stated that the gun was pointed about waist high.

9. ibid: When Johnny Calvin Brewer, the shoe store manager who allegedly witnessed Oswald duck into the Theater without paying, testified before the Warren Commission on April 2, 1964, he claimed that he heard someone holler "He's got a gun" (ibid, page 6). Brewer explained that before he heard this, he had seen a gun "...come up and - in Oswald's hand, a gun up in the air" (ibid). But as discussed in part 1 of this writer's review of With Malice, this was most certainly a lie (see under the subheading VI: Closing in). Aside from Hill and Brewer, this writer knows of no other officer (or witness) who claimed that they heard someone yell out that Oswald had a gun. This writer is also unaware of any officer/witness who took credit for yelling out that Oswald had a gun.

How does all this matter?  All that matters is that we know for a fact that Oswald was arrested in the Texas Theater. And Tommy Rowe moving in Ruby's apartment? No source. Just Penn Jones saying so, which is not very impressive. I've been a security guard only for 2 months, but I can now tell by experience that people see things that never happened. 

So you really believe there was an arrest of someone with connections with Lee or/and the plotters? 

BTW there is a recent thread called “Michael Paine Oswald’s Look-Alike”.

4 minutes ago, Paul Bacon said:

Sure, an innocent man who looked exactly like Lee Harvey Oswald.

My friend just happened to look like a suspect! You don’t think it’s strange??? 🤣 Michael Paine looked like Lee. Bill Lovelady looked like Lee. 

Probably an innocent man who for some reasons attracted police’s attention. At the wrong place at the wrong time. The same happened to a friend of mine after a shooting in a mall. Because he looked like one of the suspects he was handcuffed and put in a police car just in case. That’s good police practice. Nobody at DPD bothered writing a detailed report with the name of this second arrest. 

I don’t. But let’s start with the beginning. How has it been established?

6 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

I think it's possible that some of the confusion about the alleged "two arrests" could have been initially sparked by the fact that Johnny Brewer was briefly held at gunpoint as a suspect by the police at the back of the theater. And Brewer, like Oswald, was a slender white male in his 20s.

I can't find anything in the records that indicates whether or not Brewer was actually dragged outside into the alley behind the theater when he was held at gunpoint....and, of course, Brewer wasn't actually placed into a police car....but if someone did see the incident between the police and Johnny Brewer at the back of the theater, this could certainly have elevated the confusion of any witnesses as to how many people were being detained by the police at the theater.

JOHNNY BREWER (WC Testimony) -- "I heard a noise outside, and I opened the door, and the alley, I guess it was filled with police cars and policemen were on the fire exits and stacked around the alley, and they grabbed me, a couple of them, and held and searched me and asked me what I was doing there, and I told them that there was a guy in the theatre that I was suspicious of, and he asked me if he was still there."

JOHNNY BREWER (1986 Mock Trial Testimony) -- "...a gun was held on me."

 

Excellent!

4 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

It is established that Kilgallen had an exclusive, private interview with Ruby, after the assassination. That would lend credence to a her having-had prior contact with him. So, it seems not-so far fetched and even more likely than not. 

I was talking about the Weismann/Ruby/rich oil man meeting.

And How has the Kilgallen/Ruby meeting been established?

We can discuss this to no end, but we can all agree that there was most probably no such meeting. Thanks.

Ron, you wrote 11:15, not 1:15. If it was at 1:15 in Dallas, then it would have been 11:15 in California. First he said he sold Oswald popcorn, then he said that she sold him popcorn. Did Lee buy popcorn twice?

"Burroughs told Douglass he sold Oswald pop corn at 11:15, the exact time the warren omission claimed Tippitt was shot (it was earlier, a whole different story).  In 1987 he told Jim Marrs (Crossfire) she sold Oswald the popcorn at 11:10."

1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

His death wasn't mysterious.  He died at 83 from complications of Alzheimer's in 1998 in Alvarado Texas.  Not too far from Midlothian where he edited the newspaper, wrote his books and tried to help Roger Craig. 

He gave a place to live there to Craig and witness Richard Carr as well. Carr said he witnessed several individuals leaving Dealey Plaza in car.

3 hours ago, Lewis Reynolds said:

I didnt say I'm a researcher. I came here to see what information real researchers had to say on the matter. I got all of what I wrote from the radio show. I came here for information on the topic.

I'm not a researcher.

Thank you for the information you posted though.

Got it. I apologize.

Add Penn's death to his own list.

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On 7/19/2019 at 7:56 AM, Lewis Reynolds said:

I'm just listening to a radio show about Dorothy Kilgallen.

It mentions that Dorothy got information from someone else that she published in an article.

This information was about a meeting, 8 days before the assassination, between Jack Ruby, Officer Tippitt and Bernard Wiseman at Rubys club.

Supposedly the Warren Commission knew about this meeting and choose to ignore it as they had been told a fourth man was at it (a Texan oilman).

Does anyone have anymore information about this meeting? Has this been written about before? Who was Bernard Wiseman?

Thanks in advance.

"Supposedly" the he WC chose to ignore the story? You mean you never verified if what you're writing is true? Is this what a real researcher should do? You should stop relying on conspiracy books and websites to find the true facts in the JFK assassination. One piece of advice for you: Go as close as you can to primary sources. Talking about sources, Thayor Waldo is not a source I would count on too much. Waldo used the confidentiality cover to cover his false story.

I also read that Warren or one of his assistants quickly changed subject. That's BS! Read this for yourself.

Mr. RANKIN. The man that was murdered. There was a story that you were seen sitting in your Carousel Club with Mr. Weissman, Officer Tippit, and another who has been called a rich oil man, at one time shortly before the assassination. Can you tell us anything about that? 
Mr. RUBY. Who was the rich oil man? 
Mr. RANKIN. Can you remember? We haven't been told. We are just trying to find out anything that you know about him. 
Mr. RUBY. I am the one that made such a big issue of Bernard Weissman's ad. Maybe you do things to cover up, if you are capable of doing it.
As a matter of fact, Saturday afternoon we went over to the Turf Bar lounge, and it was a whole hullabaloo, and I showed the pictures "Impeach Earl Warren" to Bellocchio, and he saw the pictures and got very emotional.
And Bellocchio said, "Why did the newspaper take this ad of Weissman?"
And Bellocchio said, "I have got to leave Dallas."
And suddenly after making that statement, I realized it is his incapability, and suddenly you do things impulsively, and suddenly you realize if you love the city, you stay here and you make the best of it. And there were witnesses.
I said, "The city was good enough for you all before this. Now you feel that way about it." And that was Bellocchio.
As far as Tippit, it is not Tippitts, it is not Tippitts it is Tippit. 
Mr. RANKIN. This Weissman and the rich oil man, did you ever have a conversation with them? 
Mr. RUBY. There was only a few. Bill Rudman from the YMCA, and I haven't seen him in years.
And there is a Bill Howard, but he is not a rich oil man. He owns the Stork Club now. He used to dabble in oil. 
Chief Justice WARREN. This story was given by a lawyer by the name of Mark Lane, who is representing Mrs. Marguerite Oswald, the mother of Lee Harvey Oswald, and it was in the paper, so we subpenaed him, and he testified that someone had given him information to the effect that a week or two before President Kennedy was assassinated, that in your Carousel Club you and Weissman and Tippit, Officer Tippit, the one who was killed, and a rich oil man had an interview or conversation for an hour or two.
And we asked him who it was that told him, and he said that it was confidential and he couldn't tell at the moment, but that he would find out for us if whether he could be released or not from his confidential relationship.

He has never done it, and we have written him several letters asking him to disclose the name of that person, and he has never complied. 
Mr. RUBY. Isn't that foolish? If a man is patriotic enough in the first place, who am I to be concerned if he wasn't an informer.
I am incarcerated, nothing to be worried about anyone hurting me. 
Chief Justice WARREN. Mr. Ruby, I am not questioning your story at all. I wanted you to know the background of this thing, and to know that it was with us only hearsay. But I did feel that our record should show that we would ask you the question and that you would answer it, and you have answered it. 
Mr. RUBY. How many days prior to the assassination was that? 
Chief Justice WARREN. My recollection is that it was a week or two. Is that correct? 
Mr. RUBY. Did anyone have any knowledge that their beloved President was going to visit here prior to that time, or what is the definite time that they knew he was coming to Dallas? 
Chief Justice WARREN. Well, I don't know just what those dates are. 
Mr. RUBY. I see. 
Chief Justice WARREN. I just don't know. Well, we wanted to ask you that question, because this man had so testified, and we have been trying ever since to get him to give the source of his information, but he will not do it, so we will leave that matter as it is. 
Mr. RUBY. No; I am as innocent regarding any conspiracy as any of you gentlemen in the room

On 7/18/2019 at 10:58 PM, Ron Bulman said:

Burroughs told Douglass he sold Oswald pop corn at 11:15, the exact time the warren omission claimed Tippitt was shot (it was earlier, a whole different story).  In 1987 he told Jim Marrs (Crossfire) she sold Oswald the popcorn at 11:10.

Some members of the Dallas Police Department knew two Oswald's were arrested, they participated in the second arrest.  They knew and participated in a conspiracy to cover it up with their silence.

Oswald sold popcorn before the shooting? Never heard of that! You mean Pacific Time?

What happened to the popcorn? 

How do you know that some DPD officers knew about 2 Oswald’s? Who are these officers?

Stephanie, how about the possibility the real target was Whaley? Is it possible that they wanted to delete Whaley?

Whaley's death. Mysterious circumstances.... Hmmmm.

https://postimg.cc/mtJ8DQ8j

The name of that officer was Barnes. He had been recommended to Nicholas Katzenbach. Maybe Katzenbach organized Barnes' deletion the NEXT day? Too much to be coincidental! 

 https://postimg.cc/SJSpdph3

The soda was red because they wanted to know that Reds did it. Not the ones in Cincinnati but in Russia.

I had an experience as a security guard when a preteen reported to me there was blood on a floor. I sent my patrol guard who reported back that it was just soda... Each time I saw the boy again, I thought about Coley’s story.

I would be willing to share much more of what I have if someone paid my gas, plane ticket, hotel stay, etc. Everybody wants everything for free. But most of the times whatever you give for free is not seen as so valuable. And being called a retarded, an idiot, a spy, a government agent motivates someone to keep what he has to himself. Why would this person share with he has with someone who treated you badly? I keep sharing what I have but I select who I share with. I'm not an idiot.

I’ll be at the Kingston Queen’s University for the next two days to examine this archive of material by this 60s/70s researchers who was in contact with other researchers as Dick Sprague, Weisberg, Murr and member Steve Jaffe. My main interests are photos, films and audios. Thanks to Bart Kamp for informing me of the existence of this archive.

What are his Top 5 valuable pieces of information that help researchers under better the JFK assassination?

Did you check Ruby’s phone activity in the afternoon of 11/22?