Evan Burton

There has been no change in format that I am aware of.

Hi Steve, and welcome to the Forum. I hope we prove enjoyable and a valuable resource. In a similar vein to yourself I have lasting memories of what my brother, who did three tours of Vietnam, told me when I was a youth. He said:

"Always listen to what your teachers and others have to say, but don't necessarily BELIEVE what they say unless you have confirmed it for yourself."

BTW - my bro return safe and sound from that misguided conflict.

I should ask other mods to chime in, and say if they "voted" approval of the post.

According to him, "And his co-moderators all reviewed this posting in its entirely and decided, by a majority vote, that it should be published due to its relevance, appropriateness and its accuracy. His was the only dissenting vote..."

I disagree. IF John B was under moderation at the time (of which I am unsure), the post was approved because it did not break any Forum rules... not because accuracy, etc. We moderators do not judge on the rightness or wrongness of a post; for a member under moderation we simply ensure it does not break Forum rules.

I can say for certain there was no "vote" taken regards John B's post; most times a mod will approve a post on their own initiative if it does not violate any Forum rules.... and was Don even a mod in Jan 2009?

Jack,

Why won't you answer my request? I'd just like to know what you consider real and fake, so my studies don't take me down the wrong path.

OK. Most DP and autopsy photos and films and xrays are tampered with. If you can prove any genuine, more power to you.

Thank you for the reply. So does this mean ALL image from Dealy Plaza are suspect? If not, which are not suspect? The autopsy films and x-rays I will not try to talk about. I'd like to limit this to the Dealy Plaza images only.

John,

The "placebo effect" is something that is known but the major problems with those who promote homeopathy are that they promote their "medicine" as having powers it does not, and it often turns people away from real medicine that has a real chance of curing them.

Good points, Len. It is convenient.

UK Government committee recommends public funds pulled from homeopathy

• Report concludes UK National Health Service should cease funding homeopathy

• Recommend no further clinical trials of homeopathy.

• Evidence shows homeopathy doesn’t work.

• Explanations for why homeopathy works are “scientifically implausible.”

• Committee views homeopathy as placebo.

In a stunning move announced this evening Australian time, members of parliament in the UK have recommended that homeopathy be removed from the National Health Service (NHS).

The committee also concluded that the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) should not allow homeopathic product labels to make medical claims without evidence of efficacy. And since they found no evidence for efficacy, meaning they are not medicines, homeopathic products should no longer be licensed by the MHRA.

Committee chairman Phil Willis MP said; “We were seeking to determine whether the Government’s policies on homeopathy are evidence based on current evidence. They are not.”

The move follows a recent parliamentary inquiry, known as an “evidence check”, where The House of Commons Science and Technology Committee took submissions from scientists and homeopaths to determine if homeopathy is effective, and hence worthy of government funding. From the report, the Committee wrote;

In our view, the systematic reviews and meta-analyses conclusively demonstrate that homeopathic products perform no better than placebos.

The Committee concluded — given that the existing scientific literature showed no good evidence of efficacy — that further clinical trials of homeopathy could not be justified.

We do not doubt that homeopathy makes some patients feel better. However, patient satisfaction can occur through a placebo effect..When doctors prescribe placebos, they risk damaging the trust that exists between them and their patients.

During the committee’s inquiry, the British Medical Association said the use of homoeopathic medicine could not be justified on the current evidence. The Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain said there was no possible reason why such treatments, marketed by an industry worth £40 million in the UK, could be effective scientifically.

This comes as no surprise to many in the scientific community who have known for many years that homeopathy does not, and cannot possibly work.

Also, in a surprise move, the professional standards director for the Boots high street pharmacy chain, Paul Bennett admitted to selling homeopathic remedies because they are popular, not because they work. In a statement, which has since been referred to as a huge foot-in-mouth, he said;

“There is certainly a consumer demand for these products,” but “I have no evidence to suggest they are efficacious”.

Boots sells a large range of their own brand homeopathic remedies including St John’s Wort, calendula and arnica.

The chemist chain was the target of the recent highly successful Ten23 campaign, a stunt “overdose” organised by the Merseyside Skeptics in the UK, and designed to demonstrate “Homeopathy, there’s nothing in it”.

At 10:23 am (London time) on January 30th, over 300 skeptics attempted to overdose on Boots remedies outside shopfronts of the highly respected pharmacy. The UK campaign received the backing of celebrities such as writer and physicist Simon Singh and comedian and author Dave Gorman and generated substantial publicity and news coverage.

The campaign also extended to Australia and NZ, where Vicki Hyde, chair-entity of the NZ Skeptics also garnered substantial news coverage. (Hear Vicki take down a NZ homeopath on Episode 69 of The Skeptic Zone). The relevance of “Ten23” is the Avogadro Constant, the dilution beyond which there is no likelihood of any of the original substance remaining in solution. This corresponds closely to the popular homeopathic dilution known as “12C” which represents a dilution of 10^24.

England currently had four NHS funded homeopathic hospitals, in Liverpool, Bristol, Glasgow and London. A fifth hospital in Kent closed in 2009 when NHS funding was withdrawn.

Homeopathy is a 200 year old system of complementary medicine, invented by German physician Samuel Hahnemann. It is based on the principle that ‘like cures like’ — that an illness can be treated by substances that produce similar symptoms.

The modality boasts the English Royal Family as fans who have had their own personal homeopath for over a century. Prince Charles was recently accused of secretly lobbying ministers to support the continued listing of homeopathy by the NHS.

The NHS spends millions of pounds each year on the complementary medicine.

Robert Wilson, chairman of the British Association of Homeopathic Manufacturers, told the committee that there is ‘strong evidence’ that homeopathy works. “If these products don’t work beyond the placebo effect, why do people keep buying them?’ When asked why he did not present the evidence; he said “He (Boots) hasn’t asked us specifically about the efficacy of homeopathic medicine.”

Chairman of the committee Phil Willis MP said;

“This was a challenging inquiry which provoked strong reactions. We were seeking to determine whether the Government’s policies on homeopathy are evidence based on current evidence. They are not.

“It sets an unfortunate precedent for the Department of Health to consider that the existence of a community which believes that homeopathy works is ‘evidence’ enough to continue spending public money on it. This also sends out a confused message, and has potentially harmful consequences. We await the Government’s response to our report with interest.”

Read the full 273 page report as a pdf here.

Threads on same topic merged.

John,

My sympathies to you at this time. Life hasn't been kind to you of late.

Jack,

Why won't you answer my request? I'd just like to know what you consider real and fake, so my studies don't take me down the wrong path.

Jack,

As a neophyte in the area of JFK, I thought I might try to educate myself when i get some time.

What JFK images, according to you, are NOT faked / altered? These will give me a baseline.

Thanks.

The US was conducting an exercise yesterday, a simulated cyber-attack.

That might have something to do with it but I still get the untrusted warning.

I have noticed that I sometimes get "unrelated" results; most often they are books they are trying to push.

I've found using an advanced Google search can be better.

I have just tried to visit the Fort Benning website.

https://www.benning.army.mil/

I got the following message:

"The security certificate presented by this website was not issued by a trusted certificate authority."

Ditto

I think that Dr Fetzer may adopt cozening ways to make people believe his argument. It seems to be a tactic often used by some people of his ilk.

Hi Gary, and welcome to the Forum.

My understanding is that he committed suicide, but I have not done the exhaustive research you have. If you like to share more of your research, it would be most welcome.

If anyone see's Daniel's shoes please leave them in the secretary's office. Thank you.

And whoever is eating my chocolate in the fridge... stop it!

The silence is telling. How much faith can you put in the "studies" of someone who has never even bothered to examine the hardware in question?

It would be somewhat like someone claiming they had determined that without doubt LHO had committed the assassination by himself, yet had never gone to Dealey Plaza, had never examined a Carcano rifle, etc.

I heard that it's the latest financial joke, highlighting the financial woes of the two countries. It appears Ireland is suffering the same fate that happened to Iceland.

I have long thought we have been far too lenient with Jack White. The trouble is any restorative action will just feed his persecution fantasy yet further and we will then embark on another rollercoaster ride of innuendo and abuse from his cheerleaders on this forum..... as a friend of mine commented recently regarding my feelings of despair about this forum 'hope dies last'

I tend to agree. Jack considers himself above the average poster and not subject to the rules of the Forum, and many members here support that illusion. To reign him him in just invites more babble. I think the advice from someone else tends to be correct: "Just ignore him for the white noise he is".

Looks black to the majority of people, Matt.

I'm wondering if I could contact some people who used to work in the WTC and have them tell us all what colour the building was.

Fair enough, Jack - you're right. You didn't comment on his abilities. I withdraw my warning.

LOL!

Thanks, Don. I have yet to see any research by Lee. All he does is post his opinions and adhoms.

Jack

Jack,

Please do not comment on the researching abilities of members. It is in violation of Rule (iv):

(iv) Members should not make personal attacks on other members. Nor should references be made to their abilities as researchers. Most importantly, the motivations of the poster should not be questioned. At all times members should concentrate on what is being said, rather than who is saying it. It is up to the reader to look at the biography submitted by the poster, to judge whether they are telling the truth or not. The word “xxxx” is banned from use on the forum.

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