J. Raymond Carroll
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I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator."
Great catch, Robin.
You are right
and Murph is wrong,
just like he was wrong
about the music!
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New Ross for me every time - and (coincidentally) I live about 30-minutes' drive away..!
Chris
Hello Chris:
I have wanted to meet you these many years,
since I first read your work on the Z-film.
From a land not known for reticence,
you never speak unless you know whereof you speak,
unlike our bold and brave friend Murphy,
Prayer Man went to an Audie Murphy movie that day,
and no matter where I go
there is always a Murphy in my way
telling me to throw the music away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeh0Hxer_JM
Failte to the thread!
New Ross is still in the running for my money,
and I think we should not wait until Thanksgiving,
which is the anniversary.
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The limo would have to travel through an unsightly and rough part of Dallas.FOR A SHORT DISTANCE, NO?
Yes Robert, and the dog ate my homework too.
A plotter looking at the parade route would be quick to capitalize on the advantages of an ambush in Dealey Plaza.
That's Sorrels knew also.
Are there other clues pointing to Forrest Sorrels as an accomplice?
Short answer is yes, but I have not looked at him in years.
I am working on a big project right now,
but since you are interested, why not check out everything he did
and didn't do?
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How does choosing the parade route give Forrest Sorrels the ability to know if Oswald is still in the TSBD?
I think after 50 years and some amazing research,
the broad outlines of the plot keep on becoming clearer, IMO.
From John Newman we know that Angleton & Co. were monitoring Oz,
and from David Lifton and Vince Palamara we know
a number of Secret Service agents were involved.
Sorrels had to be key plotter,
because he is the man
who led JFK into ambush.
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Ray, if Prayer man is clapping his hands, what is the white reflection?
Correct question Ray Mitcham.
The white spot is static within the moving sequence in Wiegman.
That's not clapping hands. They would move.
But they moved, I tell ya,
in that fabulous clip you posted earlier.
Is that a bottle?
Martin
Martin, you remind me of that English bloke
from Stratford -on-- Avon.
His name escapes me now
but he is not Sir Francis Bacon.
Is this a BOTTLE that I see before me?
I fear I should refrain.
Addiction to the BOTTLE
could leave all our work in vain.
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I believe that's exactly what Lee Oswald did tell Fritz he was doing--only he didn't say he was doing it in the second-floor lunchroom, he said he was doing it out front.
I believe Oswald named one of the "employees" he had been eating lunch with, and it wasn't 'Junior' [Jarman] or the short 'negro' [Norman] (whose names did come up in a different context). It was Bill Shelley.
Are you recommending a faith-based approach by the rest of us, Sean?
Just because you were the genius who discovered Prayer Man
does not mean we should believe everything you believe,
like the perjured testimony of Will Fritz
which was proven false when his notes revealed that Prayer Man told him
that when the president passed by he was
Out with Bill Shelley in front.
I think we have the FBI guys confirming that he said
he was getting a coke on the second floor when the policeman came in.
And I again submit that Prayer Man
is clapping his hands.
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Don't you find this statement a bit strange, in light of Truly signing an affidavit on 23/11/63 where he not only sees Oswald on the 2nd floor as baker sticks a
that it was him asking Shelley if Shelley had seen Oswald. and not Shelley asking Truly if he had seen Oswald? Should Truly not have said, "Oh, we saw him on the 2nd floor. He may still be up there, for all we know."
How would Forrest Sorrels know, at this point, that Oswald had left the TSBD?
I don't see anything strange about the Shelley -Truly confusion.
I've seen it happen a million times.
Sorrels is the guy who chose the ridiculous parade route, so he had to know
what was going down that day
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By that time there was several people in the building. Some fifteen minutes later I was checking our employees, and I did not find Lee. I asked Mr. Shelley if he had seen Lee. He said no. I then contacted Chief Lumkin and told him Lee was missing."
Forrest Sorrels was involved. It may be in Sorrels testimony, but I recall from somewhere that Sorrels
asked Truly to see if all his men were accounted for.
I believe it was Sorrels, knowing that Lee had already done an Elvis
and left the building, who initiated the inquiry.
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I don't think so Ray. To my knowledge she used an Alias.
Danke, Martin.
I do not know what forum you refer to, but it occurs to me that the Forum gatekeeper
might have her real name, etc?
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I was in 2011 and 2012 often in contact with Gerda Dunckel. We chatted often via PM.
You know, we speak the same language.
But since a half year she did respond anymore. Thats truly sad. She made some great stuff.
Thank you Martin.
Do you think this could be our Gerda?
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I was thinking about that myself. Sorry, Ray, but I agree with Sean. Your posts were not about Oswald or the building, but about your favorite Irish songs. If you'd like to start such a thread, please do so on the appropriate section of the forum.
Pat, I Must protest, on the grounds that
not all the songs were Irish.
There was a Dylan song in there
and Mull of Kintyre was written and performed by a Brit,
Sir James Paul McCartney.
Sir Paul is on record as saying Oz
"couldn't have done it, could he?"
The relevance of Bob Dylan may not now be apparent,
but I promise it soon will be,
and when that happens, Pat,
I will expect you to dance an Irish jig.
I will be happy to supply the music.
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Bill Kelly suggests we organize a symposium
on new evidence, to wit: The discovery of Prayer Man.
I suggested New Ross, JFK's ancestral hometown, as venue.
On reflection, it occurs to me that London might be more appropriate,
since the final discovery mas made on The Education Forum, and London is probably the most central venue possible for folks from Australia.
Of course New York would suit me best of all.
To make it worthwhile we need Sean Murphy and Richard Hocking as key speakers,
and Gerda Gunckel if we can find her.
Dallas is another venue that would be appropriate
I feel certain that Debra would make room for Prayer Man
if Sean and Richard could make the trip to Dallas for this year's
Lancer symposium
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COLD HOME - BRITISH CANADA
Born in England's forceful scheming infamy
In spirit dampened lock-step debility
On this continent of British mastery
In Canada's three-tier-class society,
Schooled in brute ideals of English monarchy
Where 'we also' could become as Royalty
If we but revere traditions of the propertied
As brain-bent serfs in that oppressive tyranny,
And from low estate admire those of higher birth
Subjects to an Island Kingdom of much lesser worth
With no emancipation seen from that total travesty
I did attempt - to overthrow such 'Crowning' villainy!
© Harry J. Dean
More power to you, Harry.
Songs and poems.
What would life be like
without them?
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BK If Oswald is "Prayer Man" and has a coke in his hand, then he had to go back for another one, highly unlikely.
If Oswald is "Prayer Man" and has a coke in his hand, then it is highly unlikely he had to go back for another one.
And if Oswald is "Prayer Man" and doesn't have a coke in his hand, then it is still highly unlikely he will hurry off upstairs immediately after the assassination to buy one.
I am not a photo expert, but I am not blind yet.
Prayer Man has nothing visible in his hands.
He has not yet gotten his coke..
Mrs. Reid's testimony remains UNCONTRADICTED,
so there is no basis for any rational non-paranoid person
to doubt it.
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THE WIND THAT SHOOK THE BARLEY
When JFK was growing up
his parents told him
about his inheritance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHsmkpWi20I
In this narration he says
some of them were poets.
In fact all the Irish leaders assassinated by the British
were published poets
except the old Fenian
Thomas Clarke.
When I was in Belfast in 1969
a British officer called me a Fenian bastard.
He was an ugly SOB
cut from the same cloth
as the men who killed JFK
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Johnny says he will sing this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VyG_n8AKJQ&feature=endscreen
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Johnny McEvoy is an old friend
and he wants to sing
at the New Ross symposium
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I was born on Burns day
January 25th
and love Scottish songs.
MY FAVORITE
and a tymeless classic
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This could be a long night.
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In that spirit, here is a fine version of another old classic by the Clancy Brothers.
Thanks Robert.
Tommy Makem sang that song for JFK
at the White House,
And JFK was electrified.
And I have no doubt the bold Tommy
shook JFK's hand!
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Although Chinese food may not be the first thing that comes to mind when you think of Ireland, the country is home to some really great Chinese restaurants. Maybe best known as the birthplace of John McCormack, the great Irish tenor, Athlone is also known as the hub of Chinese dining in the midlands of Westmeath. So many good Chinese eateries are scattered throughout the city that it'd be hard not to have a fantastic meal while in Athlone.
Read more: http://www.ehow.com/list_6185131_chinese-restaurants-athlone_-ireland.html#ixzz2dPukhbBRMy brother Patrick treated me to a fabulous dinner here, at John McCormack's birthplace. I just got back from Shanghai
where the food and the people are great,
so I think what we need now
is another song by John.
I was born in county Tipperary,
a place he knew right well:
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This could be a long night.
Thanks for posting this, Robert.
I grew up in a home
where John McCormack was on Mount Rushmore.
As a kid i heard stories about the 1932 Eucharistic Congress in Dublin
where John McCormack sang Panis Angelicus
Bread of Angels
Oswald Leaving TSBD?
in JFK Assassination Debate
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And we could also be looking at artifacts,
[best Charles Laughton]
Mr. Hocking, could we not?
Veddey well, M'Lud,
I rest my case!