Robert Harris

This is "concrete and provable", Chris. You might as well look at his arms rising after the limo passes the Stemmons sign and deny that was a caused by a gunshot too. And showing a picture of JFK in which his hand is not perfectly straight, proves absolutely nothing. He wasn't even waving then.

But in the Towner film he was waving for one fourth of a second before his hand started to close into a fist, and then he fell to his left. His hand began to close, even before he started to bring it down. Those reactions were totally unnatural and unlike anything he ever did before.

Are you also suggesting Chris, that the look on his face was purely "subjective"?

And how do you explain the fact that he never made a fist while he was waving - either before, during or after, in any other film that day?

This is about analyzing silent film and identifying visible reactions. And JFK's reactions in the Towner film are not subtle. They are ridiculously obvious and completely unique. They took place at exactly the instant in which the limo exposed itself to that third floor window in the Daltex building, where the only professional criminal to be arrested in Dealey plaza that day was positioned.

And yes, I suppose you could call this a "subjective opinion" but some subjective opinions are a helluva lot better than others.

Duncan, please stop butting in and give Bill a fair chance to reply to my post.

The reason that you are not uploading the image of JFK with a balled fist in Towner, is because you cant, it doesn't exist.

If you've got it show it, if you can't show it, you have no case..period.

You've said that five times Duncan. Considering that everybody already agrees with you, it sure is strange how hard you have to work to convince us

But these questions are addressed to Bill. And I don't think even he is stupid enough to buy that. Why don't you let him answer for himself, Duncan?

Bill, you previously acknowledged that you were aware that I stated that JFK, like everyone else, did not hear that shot and didn't realize that anyone was shooting at him.

Why do you now pretend that you didn't know that? Is it possible Bill, that you knew very well what I said but since you couldn't ridicule that, you pretended that I said something different?

And do you actually believe that JFK reacted in the past as he did in the Towner film??

Do you see him ball his hand into a fist as he was waving, in films or photos from 11/22/63 or during any other time in his life?? If so, when?

And if not, then why do you remain in denial about those reactions? The evidence tells us that he was reacting to a shot then and other evidence tells us that the shot came that third floor window in the Daltex building. The "rebuttals", claiming that there was a little man or a stack of boxes in the window are just ludicrous. They insult our intelligence.

The most powerful arguments for a shot during the Towner film and a sniper in that third floor window, is that there are no other plausible alternatives.

Here is the video again, Bill. In the unlikely event that you really don't get it, this presentation covers JFK's reaction to that shot in detail.

And this is a closeup of JFK's face during the same time that Tina was capturing his reactions.

Duncan, please stop butting in and give Bill a fair chance to reply to my post.

Bill, you previously acknowledged that you were aware that I stated that JFK, like everyone else, did not hear that shot and didn't realize that anyone was shooting at him.

Why do you now pretend that you didn't know that? Is it possible Bill, that you knew very well what I said but since you couldn't ridicule that, you pretended that I said something different?

And do you actually believe that JFK reacted in the past as he did in the Towner film??

Do you see him ball his hand into a fist as he was waving, in films or photos from 11/22/63 or during any other time in his life?? If so, when?

And if not, then why do you remain in denial about those reactions? The evidence tells us that he was reacting to a shot then and other evidence tells us that the shot came that third floor window in the Daltex building. The "rebuttals", claiming that there was a little man or a stack of boxes in the window are just ludicrous. They insult our intelligence.

The most powerful arguments for a shot during the Towner film and a sniper in that third floor window, is that there are no other plausible alternatives.

Here is the video again, Bill. In the unlikely event that you really don't get it, this presentation covers JFK's reaction to that shot in detail.

And this is a closeup of JFK's face during the same time that Tina was capturing his reactions.

Cite em verbatim Bill.

No amount of phony indignation is going to get you off the hook.

Robert Harris

When you see one of my post with quotation marks at each end of a sentence, then this means I have cited something verbatim.

Bill

My question was not about how you post quotations. My question was, what did Mrs. Connally say which convinced you that she was uncertain about when her husband said "Oh, no, no, no".

Or did you just make that up, Bill?

Why do you have to continually misrepresent the witnesses Bill? You've repeatedly misrepresented me and you've even misrepresented your own prior statements.

And you've evaded countless questions Bill.

Why don't you want to talk about Mrs. Connally's visible reaction 1/3rd of a second after the shot at 285, or the fact that it was in almost perfect unison with every other nonvictim in the limo? Or the fact that her reaction began at the same instant in which Zapruder's reaction began?

And why don't you want to talk about the fact that Mrs. Connally was adamant that she never looked to the rear again after she heard that shot?

Bill, she turned to the rear TWICE after 223 but we never see her turn back again after 285.

JBC began to shout at 242. Not only can we see that ourselves, but professional lip readers have confirmed it. But Nellie thought he was hit after that point, because she believed he was hit by the shot at 285.

Your greatest sin Bill, is that you couldn't care less about getting the truth. You want to "win" and "get Harris". You prove that by evading every important question you are asked, by misrepresenting me as well as key witnesses and by relying on childish insults when you are cornered.

If you want to prove me wrong, then you can start by agreeing to answer questions. Are you up to that Bill??

I didn't think so

Telling everybody what they see and don't see is just not gonna cut it Duncan

Robert ... why not do something constructive and count the times you have told people what 'we' see and compare them to Duncan's ... I'm sure you have won that contest.

He balled his hand into a fist and it doesn't matter how much you try to call it something else, because no matter what you call it, JFK NEVER did that before. His action was totally unique and unlike anything he has ever been known to do before.

'Never did that before' ... and you draw that from what ...... the few seconds of clips you have viewed?

JFK was reacting to a gunshot then. You can hate me all you want to but you aren't going to change reality.

Wow ... JFK must have been a real piece of work to react to a gun shot and not do a thing to protect himself or his wife beside him as he continued on smiling and waving as he waited for another shot to be fired. And no - I won't hate you. Instead I will feel sorry for you for not being capable of thinking more logically. Can I assume that it was that same remarkable thinking that came up with the 'Greer did it' scenario!

Bill Miller

Bill, you previously acknowledged that you were aware that I stated that JFK, like everyone else, did not hear that shot and didn't realize that anyone was shooting at him.

Why do you now pretend that you didn't know that? Is it possible Bill, that you knew very well what I said but since you couldn't ridicule that, you pretended that I said something different?

And do you actually believe that JFK reacted in the past as he did in the Towner film??

Do you see him ball his hand into a fist as he was waving, in films or photos from 11/22/63 or during any other time in his life?? If so, when?

And if not, then why do you remain in denial about those reactions? The evidence tells us that he was reacting to a shot then and other evidence tells us that the shot came that third floor window in the Daltex building. The "rebuttals", claiming that there was a little man or a stack of boxes in the window are just ludicrous. They insult our intelligence.

The most powerful arguments for a shot during the Towner film and a sniper in that third floor window, is that there are no other plausible alternatives.

Here is the video again, Bill. In the unlikely event that you really don't get it, this presentation covers JFK's reaction to that shot in detail.

And this is a closeup of JFK's face during the same time that Tina was capturing his reactions.

Telling everybody what they see and don't see is just not gonna cut it Duncan

He balled his hand into a fist and it doesn't matter how much you try to call it something else, because no matter what you call it, JFK NEVER did that before. His action was totally unique and unlike anything he has ever been known to do before.

And his facial expression then was unlike anything I've ever see before and I'll bet you haven't either.

And I just can't wait to hear your excuse for why he fell to his left.

JFK was reacting to a gunshot then. You can hate me all you want to but you aren't going to change reality. You've been proven wrong every step of this way on this issue Duncan. And you need to stop insulting everyone's intelligence, trying to convince us that JFK was doing the same thing in your little videos, that he did in the Towner film. It isn't even close.

Why didn't JFK EVER ball his hand into a fist either during or after waving?

And why did he begin to make that fist before he had even begun to lower his hand?

Do you honestly believe that his reactions during the Towner film was like anything he had ever done before???

Robert,

Why don't you take 2 seconds and tell us everything you know about all the hand waves JFK had ever made. Like your previous response about a 'fart' ... this topic is completely asinine. You have taken a single wave and attempted to turn it into something that never was. No shots were heard during that turn - no sparks along the street during that turn - and nothing that you can point to that would support JFK being stressed during that turn. It must be a real hassle to remove a worthless allegation off of Youtube or why else would someone waste so much time holding onto an allegation that can be defended.

Bill Miller

He waved 7 times in that animation Bill and he never once made a fist.

Nor did he make a fist at any other time in all the DCA movies or Dealey Plaza films. And if he had, he certainly wouldn't have begun to make a fist before he even started to pull his hand down.

As I said before, his reactions in the Towner film are unique and unlike anything he has ever been seen doing before. All the childish insults and name calling in the world is not going to change that.

And hey! When are you going to gush all over duncan and tell him how he brilliantly proved me wrong? I mean, you won't let a minor detail like the total lack of a fist in his animation, prevent you from applauding his "fisting" video will you

Robert,

In regards to the Towner film.

I have created a video looping back and forth for you.

When JFK stops waving and starts to put his hand down, he also starts the closing of it.

I believe this is pretty much normal for most people to do, especially when the elbow is more than likely supported by an object.

In fact, sitting at my desk with my elbow on it, imitating a waving motion then terminating the wave, the most natural motion for me, is to start closing my wave into a gradual fist, while lowering it.

I would say this is subjective at best.

chris

http://98.155.3.209:8400/99823/Towner.mov

Chris, I believe there may be a couple things you are overlooking. First, notice that JFK begins to close his hand while it is still at its peak height. I can see that happening after his hand is brought down, but not in the midst of waving.

More importantly, while it may be perfectly normal for you to ball your hand into a fist as you are waving, it was not at all normal for JFK. In fact, looking at him waving numerous times in the DCA (Dallas Cinema Associates) movies, I never see him ball his hand into a fist at any time - before, during or after waving.

And then there is that falling to the left, which I seriously doubt is what you do.

JFK's reactions during the Towner film were unique Chris and unlike anything he had ever done before. He was reacting to a gunshot then.

Chris, please address the issues I raised.

Why didn't JFK EVER ball his hand into a fist either during or after waving?

And why did he begin to make that fist before he had even begun to lower his hand?

Do you honestly believe that his reactions during the Towner film was like anything he had ever done before???

Robert,

In regards to the Towner film.

I have created a video looping back and forth for you.

When JFK stops waving and starts to put his hand down, he also starts the closing of it.

I believe this is pretty much normal for most people to do, especially when the elbow is more than likely supported by an object.

In fact, sitting at my desk with my elbow on it, imitating a waving motion then terminating the wave, the most natural motion for me, is to start closing my wave into a gradual fist, while lowering it.

I would say this is subjective at best.

chris

http://98.155.3.209:8400/99823/Towner.mov

Chris, I believe there may be a couple things you are overlooking. First, notice that JFK begins to close his hand while it is still at its peak height. I can see that happening after his hand is brought down, but not in the midst of waving.

More importantly, while it may be perfectly normal for you to ball your hand into a fist as you are waving, it was not at all normal for JFK. In fact, looking at him waving numerous times in the DCA (Dallas Cinema Associates) movies, I never see him ball his hand into a fist at any time - before, during or after waving.

And then there is that falling to the left, which I seriously doubt is what you do.

JFK's reactions during the Towner film were unique Chris and unlike anything he had ever done before. He was reacting to a gunshot then.

So we are right back where we were when I first mentioned that nothing supported anything sinister about JFK's actions. No shot was reported heard when JFK rolled through the intersection at Houston and Elm - no sparks were seen hitting the street - JFK showed no concern of just being shot at, a bee stining him, or any other silly 'what-if' that has been tossed out there.

Bill Miller

LOL!! If somebody farts, Bill Miller will think that's a refutation to my video.

Bob Harris,

I've read your reasoning for a many years. Your dedication to this case is certainly not to be questioned. But Bob, are you alright - I've never seen you getting this personal or this seemingly angry before?

The question is not why do I complain about people who deliberately lie and harass legitimate researchers. The question is why does everyone else remain silent?

Robert,

The topic is too subjective.

I recommend watching two videos if you haven't already, for footage of the motorcade.

1. JFK: The Lost Tapes

2.JFK: 3 Shots That Changed America

I could easily say JFK is wiping sweat from his face as the motorcade proceeds.

Right or wrong? Who knows!!!

chris

Chris, I think you are misunderstanding my take on this particular issue. I stated, "As to whether he was pushing his hair back or checking that part of his head for damage, I don't think we have nearly enough detail to confirm that one way or the other.".

We don't know why JFK raised his hand to his head then. It is his reactions in the Towner film which are much more definitive and unlike anything we have ever seen him do before. This is the presentation which explains that,

And this is a closeup of JFK's face during the same time that Tina was capturing his reactions.

Bob Harris,

I've read your reasoning for a many years. Your dedication to this case is certainly not to be questioned. But Bob, are you alright - I've never seen you getting this personal or this seemingly angry before?

The question is not why do I complain about people who deliberately lie and harass legitimate researchers. The question is why does everyone else remain silent?

Robert

You think JFK is "checking his head for damage"?

I think Robert should be checking his own head for damage.

Holy crap, Dean! Is this all Duncan let's you do?

Can't you at least call me some names or post cartoon characters?

As I was cruising the web I came across this image at mcadams website. It is a blowup of JFK's face taken by Tina Towners father as she was filming his reaction.

Willis 4

Duh.. wish I had thought of that one. This photo gives us by far, the clearest look at JFK during those frames. We can also get an idea of how relaxed he was then by looking at his left hand.

"I don't allow comments on any videos on Youtube now, simply because of the low mentality of most of the people who leave comments on videos, and who have never seriously researched anything to do with the assassination."

Well that certainly is an amazing statement Duncan, especially since every one of your other videos allow text responses

And I am baffled by your claim that your fellow Youtubers are stupider than you are. I have indeed seen some dummies on Youtube but none who were that bad off

And finally, why would you claim that the people who think Greer shot JFK, support me? The issue we have been discussing is their accusation that I am a govt agent who altered the film in order to coverup Greer's murder of the President, and the fact that you posted agreement with them.

Duncan, you seem to have a rather fanatical aversion to the truth.

The key word, Robert, is the word "dont" It's present tense.

When I am alerted via email that someone has left a comment, I normally go to that video and alter my settings to block further comments. I don't have time to go through the settings of 120 plus videos all at the one time, just to keep you and your Youtube groupies happy.

Oh, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You blocked a video respone of mine. Did that just slip your mind? LOL!!!

Bullxxxx!

I didn't "block" your video. I don't accept any video responses.

You made a fool out of yourself, Duncan. You continue to make a fool out of yourself every time you post preadolescent insults and every time you make a youtube video to "debunk" me. You need to find someone to help you who has a triple digit IQ.

Bullxxxx!!

Cite em verbatim. See if you can't make at least one single, honest statement in this thread.

This is about the most pathetic thing I have ever seen in this forum. You have misrepresented both of the Connallys, misrepresented me and even misrepresented your own statements.

You and Duncan seem to be in a contest to see who can tell the biggest whoppers.

Robert Harris

I suggest that you stop trying to play the roll of the disgruntled screwball who resorts to foul language .... I cited the statements and described the context that they were written.

Bill Miller

Cite em verbatim Bill.

No amount of phony indignation is going to get you off the hook.

Robert Harris

BTW, Duncan. What happened to that other video you posted in which you claimed to have proved that this reaction was identical to the reactions in the Towner film???

I noticed at the time that you had zero approval votes and a ton of 100% unanimous disapprovals. I also noticed that you blocked everyone from posting text replies.

Why did you take that video down Duncan

Aren't you proud of your work

I took it down because I did a longer video presentation of exposing your garbage. The content of the video is the exact same.

Well.. once again I am confused Duncan. Since you posted a video segment in which JFK acted the same way he did in the Towner film, what more do you need to convince folks that you busted me??

How do you improve on that?

And why would you pull this latest masterpiece down before you could post its replacement?

And finally, why bother with Youtube videos anyway since all the Youtubers are morons and obviously incapable of comprehending your genius?!

your argument that John Connally was full of crap when he said that he shouted after he was hit is more looney toons. Not only does it make sense that he would yell BECAUSE he got hit, but professional lip readers have confirmed that he yelled "Oh no.." beginning at frame 242, well AFTER he was wounded at 223.

Mrs. Kennedy ALSO confirmed that fact when she said she turned toward Connally after he began to shout.

"I heard Governor Connally yelling and that made me turn around".

Look at her in the film. She began that turn immediately after 242 and is staring directly at John Connally by the mid 250's. We NEVER see her turn toward him prior to that.

As usual, you are dead wrong. And what is truly sad is that you couldn't care less.

Mrs. Kennedy said Connally was 'yelling like a stuck pig', which he may have sounded like when he was yelling they were all going to be killed ... none of which has anything to do with what he said when he uttered 'Oh no, no, no' to the first shot that he thought of nothing else but it being a rifle shot. The point you don't wish to see is that both John and Nellie were and have been quite clear that John turned to his right when he heard the first shot. Connally was filmed demonstrating that head turn in front of the press at the hearings so there can be no argument as to what he demonstrated before the camera. It was when Connally's head was almost facing forward as he was going to try and look back over his left shoulder that he was hit in the back ... something that I seem to have to remind you of over and over again.

Bill Miller

Bill, you are babbling nonsense. Yes, Connally said he head a first shot and then there was a silent shot which hit him in the back, followed by him shouting, "Oh, no, no, no". He said that twice under oath and repeated it on numerous other occasions in public interview.

"The point you don't wish to see is that both John and Nellie were and have been quite clear that John turned to his right when he heard the first shot."

That is another deliberately false statement Bill. I told you very specifically that he did exactly that, beginning in the 230's, which was AFTER the shot at 160 and in reaction to the silent shot that John Connally never heard.

Listen to his statements again, Bill. He heard one "shot" and then feels a "punch" in his back. Those were the two shots at 160 and 223.

Like John, Nellie didn't hear that second shot either. Neither did anyone else, which is why most witnesses only recalled one early shot.

Now look at the film.

After 223, JBC spun painfully to his far right and then back to his left. Nellie glances at him but can only see his back. She thinks he was turning to check out Kennedy then, as she was doing. She is mostly concerned about the wounded President then, and is obviously unaware of her husband's condition.

But when she hears the next shot, she spins back toward her hubby and pulls him back to her - exactly as she testified and exactly as we see her do in the Zapruder film at 290-291, during the same 1/6th of a second that every other nonvictim in the limo began to react, and simultaneous with Zapruder's reaction as Dr. Alvarez confirmed.

This doesn't take a genius Bill. Even you should be able to get it.

after hundreds of viewings I have 100% approval ratings and the last time I looked, Duncan's got 100% disapproval for his and he even had to block people from posting text replies, because everyone was telling him what an idiot he was for claiming that JFK running his hand through his hair was equivalent to JFK's reactions in the Towner film.

Another Bob "Scissorhands" Harris piece of fiction.

I don't allow comments on any videos on Youtube now, simply because of the low mentality of most of the people who leave comments on videos, and who have never seriously researched anything to do with the assassination.

If you want your ego boosted further than it already is Robert, stick to Youtube and your Youtube "Greer did it" groupies, who simply haven't a clue about anything to do with the assassination, and who are giving you credit.

The fact that the "Greer did it" crew support you should be a clue to the validity of your bizarre claimes.

"I don't allow comments on any videos on Youtube now, simply because of the low mentality of most of the people who leave comments on videos, and who have never seriously researched anything to do with the assassination."

Well that certainly is an amazing statement Duncan, especially since every one of your other videos allow text responses

And I am baffled by your claim that your fellow Youtubers are stupider than you are. I have indeed seen some dummies on Youtube but none who were that bad off

And finally, why would you claim that the people who think Greer shot JFK, support me? The issue we have been discussing is their accusation that I am a govt agent who altered the film in order to coverup Greer's murder of the President, and the fact that you posted agreement with them.

Duncan, you seem to have a rather fanatical aversion to the truth.

You are correct mark, but that's a still from a slightly earlier frame. The fist balling, in my opinion, starts on the downward motion of the left hand before going on to the right hand.

BTW, Duncan. What happened to that other video you posted in which you claimed to have proved that this reaction was identical to the reactions in the Towner film???

I noticed at the time that you had zero approval votes and a ton of 100% unanimous disapprovals. I also noticed that you blocked everyone from posting text replies.

Why did you take that video down Duncan

Aren't you proud of your work

So the great Harris analogy goes something like this ....

JFK raises his hand to wave in Towner's film and closes his hand .... you feel that this as reaction to something other than a bee sting and claim that nowhere will anyone see JFK make such a move, but Duncan does just that. In this video between 23 and 25 seconds ... JFK makes another similar gesture.

Connally and Nellie testify before the Commission - both mention John being hit in the back when John started to turn his head back to his left ... the crucial difference in your mind is that Nellie said John uttered 'Oh no, no, no' before being hit and Connally says he remembers uttering 'Oh no, no, no' after being hit. So rather then to see that Connally was still saying he was hit as he was turning his head around so to look over his left shoulder ... you attempt to use an obvious error in what Connally said to fuel your poorly thought out theory. (see video of Connally being filmed by the press as he demonstrates the head turn he spoke about)

At the end of the day it is still that head rotation that John and Nellie talked about to the timing of a second shot and wounding John in the back .... all back when John Connally was emerging from behind the road sign.

John Connally: I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder ................................................. I was turning to look back over my left shoulder into the back seat, but I never got that far in my turn. I got about in the position I am in now facing you, looking a little bit to the left of center, and then I felt like someone had hit me in the back

Nellie Connally: Then very soon there was the second shot that hit John. [As the first shot was hit, and I turned to look at the same time], I recall John saying, "Oh, no, no, no." Then there was a second shot, and it hit John

Both describe the same instant.

Bill Miller

Do you have any idea how pathetic it is to try to claim that my video presentation is false, when after hundreds of viewings I have 100% approval ratings and the last time I looked, Duncan's got 100% disapproval for his and he even had to block people from posting text replies, because everyone was telling him what an idiot he was for claiming that JFK running his hand through his hair was equivalent to JFK's reactions in the Towner film.

That is the stupidest JFK video on the Internet right now, Bill. I can't believe that you would trash your own credibility by pretending to believe that lunacy.

And your argument that John Connally was full of crap when he said that he shouted after he was hit is more looney toons. Not only does it make sense that he would yell BECAUSE he got hit, but professional lip readers have confirmed that he yelled "Oh no.." beginning at frame 242, well AFTER he was wounded at 223.

Mrs. Kennedy ALSO confirmed that fact when she said she turned toward Connally after he began to shout.

"I heard Governor Connally yelling and that made me turn around".

Look at her in the film. She began that turn immediately after 242 and is staring directly at John Connally by the mid 250's. We NEVER see her turn toward him prior to that.

As usual, you are dead wrong. And what is truly sad is that you couldn't care less.

Ahhh!! So you were actually quoting Bill Miller and NOT Nellie Connally! Why am I not surpised Bill

Why don't you go ahead and tell us about how Mrs. Connally "faltered"? Would you mind citing her verbatim, Bill? Show us that this is not just another desperate attempt to misrepresent and discredit a key witness.

Robert Harris

All the statements I have attributed to these witnesses were placed in quotes ... feel free and go back through the threads to see them.

Bill Miller

Bullxxxx!!

Cite em verbatim. See if you can't make at least one single, honest statement in this thread.

This is about the most pathetic thing I have ever seen in this forum. You have misrepresented both of the Connallys, misrepresented me and even misrepresented your own statements.

You and Duncan seem to be in a contest to see who can tell the biggest whoppers.

Robert Harris

What can I say Duncan? To respect the rules of this forum in terms of talking about deliberate lies, there is not a single statement you just made that I can talk about, including your imaginary "fist" in the Jeffries sequence or your pretense that you were being humorous when you agreed that I was a "disinfo agent".

I have no doubt whatsoever that you would also agree with anyone accusing me of anything, from shoplifting to pedophilia. What I really would like to understand, is what is driving you to do this, and please don't drive us into hysterical laughter by claiming it is your fanatical quest for the truth

Well, that's probably because I never accused them of such a thing. But I also operate under the crazy notion that people and certainly reporters, are not infallible. But if a mistake was made during that interview I wouldn't expect it to be something like citing Connally saying he heard 20 gunshots. It would be about something that was thought at the time, to be a totally unimportant, miniscule detail. And the question of whether he said he shouted "Oh, no..." before or after being hit would fall into exactly the category.

The reporter probably, had already heard Nellie sequence of events. Doesn't it make sense that the reporter might "hear" John report the same thing that his wife did?

But what is important Bill, is not what that reporter thought he said. What is important is what he actually perceived and believed. And there is no doubt whatsoever about that, is there Bill? He swore under oath, TWICE that he shouted those words after being hit. And he repeated the same thing over and over again in televised interviews in which we can hear him ourselves. So we KNOW that your version is NOT what he believed.

Your decision to cite an isolated, contradictory citation like that tells us that you are far more interested in "winning" debates than you are in getting at the truth.

but I am sure they would like to hear all about it. I am still waiting for the name of the witness who saw a bullet hit the street during the Towner filming sequence for I do not believe there was such a witness ...

Bill, I don't recall claiming that there was such a witness. Are you confusing this with another discussion?? Why would you expect people to be studying the pavement then or even looking for a bullet strike from a gunshot they never heard? I have to suspect that they were focused on JFK and Jackie. Don't you?

I think you have taken a statement that was made about a later moment and attached it to the wave JFK that you believed was the President reacting to a piece of asphalt hitting him in the face.

What did I say that convinced you of such a thing, Bill?

If you are talking about Mrs. Baker's statement, that was obviously in reference to the shot at 160.

I believe that your allegation is so poorly thought out that you need the Life interview to be a fabrication so to carry on with your nonsense.

Then why do you have to constantly misrepresent key witnesses and deliberately misstate my analysis, Bill? If my case was so terrible, you could refute it honestly, couldn't you?

Sure Bill. I guess you just forgot what you said yesterday

"I had explained, quite clearly in my view, that Nellie said that the second shot she had heard was the one that hit her husband in the back despite her not being sure when her husband said 'Oh no,no,no'."

Bill, when did Nellie say that she was not sure about when her husband said "Oh, no, no, no"?

I believe that I was referring to a post I had made showing that during one of Nellie's interviews that she faltered when trying to recall if John said 'oh no, no, no' before or after he was shot.

Ahhh!! So you were actually quoting Bill Miller and NOT Nellie Connally! Why am I not surpised Bill

Why don't you go ahead and tell us about how Mrs. Connally "faltered"? Would you mind citing her verbatim, Bill? Show us that this is not just another desperate attempt to misrepresent and discredit a key witness.

Robert Harris