Nick Bartetzko

2 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

I was a poor kid growing up in Pacific Grove, Ca. from the mid-50's through the late 60s.

I was never able to go to Candlestick Park in San Francisco to see a game back then. But, a few friends and I would listen to their games on a transistor radio on weekends and during the summer just knocking around our little town.

 We of course grew up listening to Russ Hodges and Lon Simmons broadcast the games and those two guys made these games so exciting sounding. 

We knew we were living at a time when baseball was big and loaded with superstars. Our Giants had Mays, McCovey, Marichal, Gaylord ( he must have given his parents hell for that name ) Perry, Orlando Cepeda, Barry Bonds...just loaded.

Every time Mays came up to bat Russ Hodges and Lon Simmons would take on an almost second coming reverence demeaner, as if any second Mays might perform one of his hitting miracles ( a home run ) and when he did both of these guys would go absolutely bananas yelling "Tell It Bye Bye Baby!" ...or  "You Can Tell It Goodbye" and all you would hear for a minute or so was the stadium crowd cheering wildly.

Really exciting...even listening to it on a tinny sounding little radio!

Mays had an energy about him. When he came up to bat the entire crowd hushed and watched his every move. And it was this way in every ballpark in the country.

Fans of other teams knew Mays was simply one of the greatest players in baseball history...and they liked, respected and appreciated him.

In 1970, a group of young fellows I worked with organized a trip to Candlestick Park to see the Giants and I luckily got to go with them. The date was May 23rd, 1970. I was 18.

Wow! My Giants ( and especially Mays) did their thing...in spades! Mays two home runs, McCovey two home runs, Kenny Henderson home run, Bobby Bonds 3 hits and a couple of stolen bases!

The Giants scored 16 runs that day!

I almost peed my pants with cheering excitement!

But hold on to your hat ... the Giants LOST the game! 17 to 16!

The San Diego Padres did just as well. Nate Colbert two home runs, Ceto Gaston two home runs and others!  

The game went into extra innings. Most of the 25,000 fans had left by the end of the game. Hoarse from yelling during every explosive back and forth inning.

By the time of the last inning there were maybe just  1 or 2 thousand fans ( it got windy and cold ) huddled behind home plate. During that last inning and just for fun to check out the stadium, I walked all the way up to the highest seat in the park and sat there all by myself. I didn't know if the game was broadcast to the San Diego area but if it was I would think the TV camera may have seen me up there. I contemplated doing something ... well... teen age wild to give the San Diego Padre TV watching fans something really exciting to see if they did.

Anyway, the Giants FIRED their head coach "Clyde King" the very next day after that fiasco of a game!

And to think Juan Marichal "started" as the Giant's pitcher...before being bombed out himself.

My next game at Candlestick I sat in the Giants radio broadcast booth with Hank Greenwald and Dave Glass. It was my 34th birthday ( 9/21/1985) and this was a Giant game gift package someone purchased for me on the SF public broadcast station KQED during one of their fundraising drives.

They also flashed a "HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOE BAUER " greeting to me on the stadium scoreboard during the seventh inning stretch.

Before the game I had lunch in the Stadium Club and drank so much vodka I was smashed the entire rest of the game in the radio booth. The radio announcers saw how out of it I was and purposely didn't mention me except once on the radio as a big birthday present person.

Hank Greenwald asked me if I was enjoying the game and all I could utter was the most slurring "Ishh.. hick...ishh pretty good...hick!"

My wife stayed home and listened to the game on the radio and heard me make a fool of myself as I mentioned with that one question from Hank Greenwald and my totally sloshed answer.

By the way, the Dodgers won that game that day ... 11 to 0!

Mays never ever seemed to talk or act like an angry black man. He was the same affable, friendly, fun and patient person to everyone. Every baseball fan in Northern California loved the guy. Including me.

Below see the actual Giants Team box score from the May 23rd,1970, 17 to 16 score Giants-Padres game I described above.

San Francisco Giants	ab	r	h	rbi
Bonds rf	8	2	3	2
Hunt 2b	8	2	3	3
Mays cf	6	3	4	4
McCovey 1b	8	1	2	4
Henderson lf	7	2	2	1
Dietz c	6	1	2	0
Fuentes 3b,ss	6	2	3	0
Lanier ss	3	1	1

 

 

 

 

 

Great post, Joe. Losing 17-16...yikes. I loved watching Mays and McCovey and his big, looping swing. Mac sure hit some shots off of Drysdale. As to your vodka misstep, at least the announcers were gracious and you had a good time 🍹

29 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

As I recall, the 1962 Angels were actually in contention, as were very much so the Los Dodgers. In that year, they both played in the new Dodger Stadium. They was a chance the new stadium would host the World Series, all seven games. Bob Belinsky Leon Wagner Sandy Koufax Don Drysdale Tommy Davis Maury Wills... 

But in real life and real baseball....

I have some recollection of that year, but 1963 is etched a bit more in my memory with the Dodgers/Yankees World Series etc. I remember Bo Belinsky with the Angels, his no hitter & relationship with Mamie Van Doren, Ted Klewszuski, Leon Wagner, Albie Pearson, the Gene Mauch disappointment years later, etc etc... Too bad they could never win a World Series for the singing cowboy Gene Autry.... 

This Parkland doctors were in on it theory originated, I believe, from a Texas doctor who was 90ish living in Texas and that Lifton somehow found and interviewed. Apparently that doctor knew some of those doctors. I am trying to remember if Lifton actually said it could have been doctors from the Methodist hospital that was also nearby and that JFK could have been taken to as well. 

Then we have Lifton's claim that Oswald would have survived, but air was intentionally injected into his vein which actually caused his death. 
 

I was looking forward to Final Charade. 

37 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

 

Nick, How about that picture of Tommy Lasorda?

Scully was, I found it.

Born in the Bronx and raised in Manhattan, Scully discovered his love of baseball at age eight when, watching the 1936 World Series, he sympathized with the New York Giants as they lost 18-4 to the Yankees. From then on, he was a devoted Giants fan.

 

We got the reciprocal . We only watched 9 games a year during the regular season, and those were the away games at Dodger stadium.

I remember Drysdale had an all time streak of 56? innings of shutout ball over 6 starts and it was late in a tight game, and the Giants had the bases loaded threatening to end the streak, and Drysdale was a brushback pitcher. He ended up hitting Dick Dietz , the Giant catcher, and that would have forced in a run the tying run and stopped the streak but the umpire interceded and claimed Dietz deliberately let the ball hit him! Do you remember that? Anyway The streak was preserved and the Dodgers won the game.

I had a radio show and in the 90's and interviewed Dick Dietz , who was then the minor league coach in a Giant farm club in San Jose. I asked him about it. Obviously he thought we got a raw deal. Personally I had never seen that ruling before, and to me,  it didn't look any more intentional then any number of pitches that hit the wrist of batters.

Oh well, water way under the bridge!

Geez, Kirk, I sure didn't recognize Tommy Lasorda. I believe he had a restaurant in the South Pasadena area where I used to work. I absolutely, positively remember the Drysdale Dietz incident. I had never seen it called and don't think I've seen it called since. Dietz was just tight on the plate and didn't make an effort to get out of the way. Even if he had, it might still have hit him. Hit batter...go to first, except in this particular game. It was a bad call and I was a Dodger and Drysdale fan.  Speaking of horrible calls, the worst one ever was the safe call on the last out of Armando Galarraga  no hitter. Everyone in the stadium, except the guy that counts, saw the runner was out. Umpire Jim Joyce admitted the blown call and apologized.... How interesting you had a radio show and spoke with Dietz. He was part of an unforgettable moment in baseball history. 

On 6/16/2024 at 9:19 PM, Matthew Koch said:

This has secret service members talking about affairs 

 

I have seen this before and it is damning. These agents are very credible imo. If there was foreknowledge and/or involvement by some within the Secret Service, it might certainly have partly involved their revulsion regarding JFK's reckless extramarital behavior. We can also get into the Dr Max Jacobson/Dr Feelgood aspect as well that some in the Secret Service must have been aware of. JFK had many enemies for many reasons....

3 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Home of the Los Angeles Rams and the Los Angeles Chargers. And the long-gone Hollywood racetrack. The Fabulous Forum. 

Here's one for you. What was the first home of the big-league Los Angeles Angels? 

Yes, Jack Kent Cooke and the Fabulous Forum. You win as I had to look up Wrigley Field 😵‍💫 Never attended a game there as I was a little kiddo. BTW, that was an interesting story about Sirhan and Altadena. I lived in El Sereno near Cal State LA for many years..... 

11 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Yeah Nick, that was/ is quite a rivalry!

Didn't Vin Scully grow up a Giant fan in New York?

 

You remember this song  from Danny Kaye?

It was a bit  our parents crowd's style for us  in the early years of R&R!

But we up north do remember the Hiller Miller Halleruhjah Twist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure about that, Kirk. I loved listening to Vin and did so for many years. It was also quite the experience to go to a game at Dodger stadium and listen to Vin there as so many of the fans brought radios to the game. Watching the games at Candlestick on TV was always a treat with the wind blowing. No such thing as an easy catch on a windy day. I remember the Danny Kaye song well.... 

RIP to the "say hey kid"....

9 hours ago, Mike Aitken said:

Does anyone know where the theft occurred and what law enforcement agency handled the report?  If so, one could contact the agency and see if the case report is still available.  Also, Enyart may have a copy of the report, if anyone here is in contact with him.  It would be interesting to hear what the courier had to say about the circumstances surrounding the theft.

I believe the theft occurred near LAX and might have been in a city called Inglewood. 

Thanks for the change of pace. I lived in LA growing up and the Dodgers/Giants rivalry was classic. Mays, McCovey, Marichal, Koufax, Drysdale.... 

23 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

This is a little known book by Eric Tagg.

But I still marvel at the day this this guy had on 11/22/63.

Very few people  read the book so even though its old, I am glad Jeff Carter reviewed it.

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/review-of-eric-tagg-s-brush-with-history

 

Thanks for posting, Jim. Very good article.

21 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Take special note of the bullet, and the also the files found at the Paines' home by Buddy W.

Al Maddox, Walther's friend and colleague,  later revealed that the object found in the grass was a bullet.

Many years ago, I recall seeing some articles by Al Maddox and likely in the National Enquirer. Very interesting information, but I discarded those materials over twenty years ago. 

10 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

NB-

In medical science, usually the standard is replicable experiments and trials. 

Does a drug work? Phase 1, 2 and 3 trials. 

My reservation is that the purported use of Manchurian assassins seems entirely absent in recent decades. I have done Google searching, and the topic is rather thin.

No nation appears to have claimed another nation deployed a hypnotized assassin against them, or even just a spy or saboteur. 

In the case of Sirhan, there is the situation of him having four drinks on the night of RFK1A, and apparently Sirhan also a fan of "self hypnosis." The polka-dot dress girl  appears to have been a companion of some sort, perhaps to egg him on, after Sirhan went into some sort of fugue, or possibly to trigger a previous hypnotic suggestion.

It is possible Sirhan was responsible for putting himself into a state/fugue, or possibly, with very current hands on coaching (the polka-dot dress girl) a hypnotic suggestion might work. All very iffy. 

I would say the Sirhan case and the topic are somewhat sketchy. 

But let me ask you....can you find a credible story of a state or intel-state assassin acting under hypnotic suggestion in the last few decades?  

I am open minded on the topic. 

 

 

 

 

 

Ben,

I think your standards are way too high in this specific area. We have countries like Russia and North Korea that likely have/had programs in place and other free world countries like the US, Canada and Israel. I would never expect to get materials from Russia or North Korea. These are top secret and very guarded programs that are compartmentalized. In my opinion, the loyalty of the individuals who run these programs in the free world is first to their organization/department and secondarily to the country they work for as administrations change over time and might be unfavorable to these programs. 

4 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

I still wonder...so where are the verifiable cases of  Manchurian assassins? 

There are many governments in the world with adequate resources to maintain spooky intel services. Maybe dozens. 

Knowledge is almost impossible to keep under wraps--if a method for actually creating Manchurian assassins was available...where are the assassins? 

It has been 60 years since the JFKA and RFK1. That is 60 years to improve and refine hypnosis techniques and drugs. Again, we see nothing.  

Has anyone, in a peer-reviewed journal, ever laid out replicable procedures and drugs for creating a Manchurian assassin?

If not an assassin, a method for ensuring a person would become an automaton well after the hypnosis sessions are complete? 

Yes, we have seen cases of hypnosis "working" in the immediate sense, under controlled conditions with willing subjects. 

That may roughly been the case of Sirhan, though that is hardly proven. The polka-dot dress girl may have had a role. 

Sirhan still needs to reveal who were his co-conspirators in the RFK1A. 

And Sirhan may have willingly put himself into a fugue of sorts to steel up for the RFK1A, along with the four drinks. Sirhan had apparently been experimenting with self-hypnosis. 

The whole case needs to be re-investigated, although like the JFKA...the intel-state stalled long enough that truth is dying along with witnesses. 

 

 

I am curious what you would require as verifiable proof. In a way, that's a bit like asking for the original Z film to prove that what we have now has been tampered with. No more re-investigations either. Enough with the likes of the Clark Panel and HSCA. The fix will always be in by the powers that be who pick the experts who will see things your way. Those experts will always be available for hire.

I was in the insurance field for years and high powered attorneys and insurance companies often kept shopping for experts until they found ones whose conclusions they liked. The polka dot girl knew Kennedy had been shot and announced it to Sandy Serrano. Speaking of Serrano, I'm amazed those audio tapes weren't destroyed. 

1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:

Protecting family? Please elaborate.

His own family? So, the RFK killing was a family operation?

If only the LAPD had taken the paper bag of clothes, including the polka dot dress more seriously and kept it as part of the RFK evidence cache.

Maybe down the road they could have found some DNA material from it?

Or maybe tracked where such clothing and other accessory items could have been sold in the LA area around that time. Who knows...maybe a sales clerk would have remembered selling the dress combo and related items and to whom?

 

Interesting as to the family issue. Years ago, I heard just a couple of minutes of an interview with a witness who claimed it was Sirhan's brother who fired the shots. I can't recall the name of the radio show nor the name of the witness and whether he was shown photos or how the brother was specifically identified. 

I am undecided on umbrella man, but think it indeed might be Witt. Other than Rich DellaRosa, is there a witness of "the other film" who really describes the umbrella being pumped up and down? Beyond that, there is a fascinating photo that I believe was taken in 1964, that shows a group of Cubans? holding umbrellas. We can speculate that might tie into the umbrella man in Dealey Plaza. But if so, I would think it very unlikely they would be referring to Louis Witt holding it. 

3 hours ago, Matt Allison said:

I thought one of the witnesses said "dark complected man" was a black man watching the parade.

I've seen people comment about the apparent casualness with which he and "umbrella man" reacted, but I would point out that they were no more casual than the numerous photographers running around on the Knoll at the same time. The only people that seemed especially frightened were the Newman's, who had two small children with them, and thus acted like all good parents should.

This is the photo that I remember and was searching for. If you will note, there is a large bulge on the right side and under the jacket, which to me, could be the outline of a pistol. This doesn't appear to be the walkie talkie that he appears to use in other photos. I am curious what others think. 

10 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

From another guy on the table behind him firing over his shoulder to the right into the crowd.  So as not to wound Cesar but several other people.  The book is worth the price and time.

I think he is described by some witnesses, clothing, actions in more detail.  He jumped down immediately and ran out the door amid the confusion.

Thanks, Ron. I may reconsider and buy it.

On 6/2/2024 at 5:22 PM, W. Niederhut said:

So, Mathew, here's a tactical question that I pondered while studying A Lie Too Big to Fail.

If you (and Ben Cole) had staged the RFK assassination op at the Ambassador Hotel-- involving Sirhan as the hypnotically-programmed "Manchurian" decoy/patsy and Thane Eugene Cesar (and, possibly, others) as the assassin(s) -- would you have given Sirhan a gun loaded with real bullets?

Recall that Cesar was standing right next to (and lightly behind) RFK in the pantry.

Would you and Ben have risked having your decoy/patsy shoot your designated assassin(s) at close range?

I've not read the Lisa Pease book and likely won't. But I've read some of her articles and the research seems excellent. But if Sirhan fired blanks, where did the other shots come from?? 

If the goal was to eliminate RFK at all costs, then people like Sirhan and Cesar are readily expendable. 

On another note, if a specialist had unlimited and unfettered access to Sirhan, would it be possible to retrieve the programmed instructions that have been locked away for 50+ years? 

8 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

The following story has alway stuck in my head, as I had a passing acquaintance with one of the actors, a Skip Miller, then and even yet a big-shot L.A. lawyer.  

Here is the short story, ala Spartacus:

"Jamie Scott Enyart was born in 1953. On 6th June, 1968, Enyart, a 15 year old high school student, a high-school student, was taking photographs of Robert F. Kennedy as he was walking from the ballroom of the Ambassador Hotel to the Colonial Room where the press conference was due to take place. Enyart was standing slightly behind Kennedy when the shooting began and snapped as fast as he could.

As Enyart was leaving the pantry, two LAPD officers accosted him at gunpoint and seized his three, 36-exposure rolls of film. Later, he was told by Detective Dudley Varney that the photographs were needed as evidence in the trial of Sirhan Sirhan. The photographs were not presented as evidence but the court ordered that all evidential materials had to be sealed for twenty years.

In 1988 Scott Enyart requested that his photographs should be returned. At first the State Archives claimed they could not find them and that they must have been destroyed by mistake. Enyart filed a lawsuit which finally came to trial in 1996. During the trial the Los Angeles city attorney announced that the photos had been found in its Sacramento office and would be brought to the courthouse by the courier retained by the State Archives. The following day it was announced that the courier’s briefcase, that contained the photographs, had been stolen from the car he rented at the airport. The photographs have never been recovered and the jury subsequently awarded Scott Enyart $450,000 in damages.

Scott Enyart now works as a special effects director and has worked on the films, The Granny (1995) and House of Yes (1997).

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Skip Miller was already high profile lawyer back in the day, and oddly the City of Los Angeles, despite having a large on-staff City Attorney's Office, hired Miller to defend the city against an Enyart lawsuit regarding the stolen negatives or photographs.  

From Los Angeles Times 1/18/96

The negatives of some photographs taken in the moments surrounding the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy are missing.

That is not a matter of debate.

But almost everything else about the pictures is.

Did they show the crucial seconds when bullets felled the presidential candidate in a pantry at the Ambassador Hotel on June 5, 1968, as claimed by the photographer, Jamie Scott Enyart? Or did they show nothing of the assassination, as alleged by the city attorney's office?

Could they have been destroyed, along with other evidence, after the official assassination investigation, as suggested by Enyart? Or were they simply misplaced, only to turn up in state archives more than 25 years later, as claimed by city and state officials?

And was a manila envelope containing the recently rediscovered negatives stolen from a courier's car in Inglewood last Friday, as claimed by the courier? Even attorneys for the city, who may soon have to mount a defense in Enyart's $2-million lawsuit over the missing negatives, admit that the circumstances surrounding the alleged theft are "highly unusual."

Enyart's attorney, Alvin Greenwald, hinted darkly at a conspiracy--a suggestion, never substantiated, that has haunted every investigation of the New York senator's death.

"Somebody, for some reason, is making sure those photos do not reach public view," Greenwald said.

Louis "Skip" Miller, an attorney for the city, conceded that the incident in Inglewood was strange, but he scoffed at Greenwald's suggestion.

"What happened here is just a petty theft," Miller said. "A run of bad luck."

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Ok, if you have followed this, Enyart took photos of the RFK1, that no member of the public has ever seen. Even if the photos do not capture the actual moment, they might reveal who was near RFK or other vital information.  

When at long last the Enyart negatives were found, they are given to a courier to deliver to a Los Angeles courthouse and Enyart---but the courier gets robbed of the photos. You might think the whole point of hiring a courier, rather than, say, Federal Express or UPS, is make double-double sure the photos get where they are supposed to. As in the internet meme, "The courier had one job." 

So who is Miller? I do not like the guilt by association game. But his former law firm, Christensen, Miller, Fink, Jacobs, Glaser, Weil & Shapiro, played hardball. 

If you see Shapiro and Los Angeles, you probably think "OJ Simpson's attorney" and you would be right. 

Then this tidy little event: "Miller left the (his old) firm not long after firm leader Terry Christensen was indicted in the federal wiretapping case against private investigator Anthony Pellicano. On Aug. 29, a federal jury in Los Angeles convicted Christensen of conspiring with Pellicano to wiretap an opponent of one of Christensen's clients."

Oh, wiretapping opponents of one's clients. 

In 2000, a CA State Bar prosecutor tried to have Skip Miller suspended for two years for improperly contacting a juror, but it is the State Bar (an organization of lawyers) who decides who get barred. Miller kept his license. https://dailyjournal.com/article/255896-court-will-not-suspend-louis-r-skip-miller

So...how did those couriered photographs disappear? 

And Sirhan was just a lone wolf nobody? 

But there is more! It turns out Miller (he says unwittingly)  had engaged in  jury tampering in the Enyart case.  

Lawyer Faces Charge of Jury Tampering

 

By JOSH MEYER--Los Angeles Times

Aug. 10, 1999 12 AM PT

Louis “Skip” Miller, known as one of the most hard-nosed and aggressive attorneys in Los Angeles, is often hired to defend the city and its Police Department from accusations of wrongdoing.

But did he engage in wrongdoing himself--possibly tampering with a jury--in a high-profile case involving missing photos of the Robert F. Kennedy assassination?

That was the question raised Monday during a high-stakes courtroom drama of its own, as Miller found himself on trial before a State Bar of California judge.

The litigator, aided by a legal team that includes former state Supreme Court Justice Armand Arabian, was fighting to avoid disciplinary action that could be as severe as losing his license to practice law in the state.

In their legal filings, Miller and his attorneys have steadfastly denied that he acted improperly. On Monday, Miller, who is 52 and works out of a Century City-based firm, had no comment.

In a day’s worth of testimony in the wood-paneled state bar courtroom in downtown Los Angeles, the state bar representative accused Miller of willfully violating the code of professional conduct by contacting a juror in a 1996 civil case in which he was representing the LAPD.

The LAPD had been accused in a $2-million civil suit of losing the valuable film negatives of the Robert F. Kennedy assassination that a high school newspaper photographer had snapped as the presidential candidate was gunned down in the pantry of the Ambassador Hotel in 1968.

After lawyers for the photographer, Jamie Scott Enyart, hinted darkly that the loss of the negatives was part of some assassination-related conspiracy, Los Angeles City Atty. James K. Hahn hired Miller--at $225 an hour--to make sure the city did not lose the case.

During the 1996 trial, jurors were at war with one another as they deliberated over whether the LAPD acted negligently, or with malice. The jury foreman, Robert Pinger, even wrote the judge a note saying he was concerned about juror misconduct, before asking to be excused from the jury so he could get back to his job as a schoolteacher.

The day after Pinger was excused, Miller called him and asked to meet and discuss whether fellow jurors had engaged in any improprieties that could result in a mistrial, which would help Miller’s client, the LAPD. In testimony Monday, Pinger recalled that the two met at a restaurant and discussed the jury’s deliberations.

Miller soon petitioned for a mistrial in the photo case, using a declaration from Pinger as a foundation.

The judge denied the petition, and said Miller may have acted inappropriately by talking with Pinger and that she would report the attorney to the state bar.

Enyart, now a special effects artist, ended up winning the case and a $450,600 award, which remains on appeal.

Until 1992, lawyers were permitted to discuss a pending case with jurors who had been excused from the trial. State statutes were amended in 1992 to specifically outlaw such contact with jurors discharged from a pending case.

But in his defense, Miller says that he relied on law firm associate Kevin Leichter to determine whether contacting an excused juror was legal, and that Leichter failed to notice that the law had been amended.

Leichter supported Miller’s contention during his testimony Monday. Miller is set to testify today.

Miller, a graduate of UCLA Law School who has been in practice since 1972, has represented City Councilman Nate Holden in a sexual harassment case filed against him. In other city cases, he defended Mayor Richard Riordan in various public matters and the city in a series of civil rights and police brutality cases.

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Well, all on all, I would say something fishy happened to the Enyart photographs of the RFK1. Maybe Miller made it happen. Maybe not. 

Yes, I've wondered about those Enyart photos for years. Knowing how these folks operate, I would have hired couriers myself and accompanied them. If there were truly any photos of substance, they were likely destroyed years before the batch of courier photos. There is a photo taken by another photographer and he makes a point that Enyart was not standing where he said he was. I don't know enough about the case to conclude one way or the other, but I suspect that Enyart's account is quite accurate and we have more destruction of evidence in a Kennedy murder. 

1 hour ago, Matthew Koch said:

Here is the clip from YouTube, if you want to do a search for JFK related stuff on Youtube. You can go to DuckDuckGo and search the title of what you are looking for and click (video search) it will bring up what the algorithm on there prevents. 

 

Thanks for posting and for the tip on doing searches.

1 hour ago, Robert Morrow said:

Could you post the interview of Mrs. William King Harvey? Thank -you.

Mr Koch has posted it, although I did look for it on utube as well. It gives us a glimpse of the disdain for JFK by the CIA and some of the Secret Service.

2 hours ago, Evan Marshall said:

You actually think either a wife or child would talk to you or even that they had been told anything of value? The friends I have that are retired CIA certainly wouldn't!

Probably not, but Mrs Harvey's interview was very enlightening. Some people hold on to the truth, their word as they call it, even though it makes a mockery of truth and justice......

2 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

I don't remember reading about this or seeing it before George.  Was it a photograph or in a film?  I'd really like to see it.  Do you remember where you saw it?

I recall such a photo and recall a comment by someone who claimed to know a man nicknamed "Gator" and that that individual walked with a limp. I think that claim was made by Tosh Plumlee, a forum member who claimed to be on the South Knoll. Wish my memory was a bit better at times....

4 hours ago, Kevin Balch said:

Could he have been involved with railroad or construction work? You would think someone involved in assassination activity would be more discrete or at least collapse the antenna.

With his attire and beret, I don't see how he would be. I agree with your comment, but not much surprises me about the JFKA and he may also have had phony ID on him if confronted. 

20 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

I know there are other photo's/film.  But I found this interesting tonight.  He is down on the street near the limo raising his fist right before the head shots.  He is sitting down with Umbrella Man after the assassination.  In this picture it seems he walked toward the grassy knoll in between.  With the radio in his back pocket and the antenna sticking up?

Yes, this is one of the photos I mentioned. I believe I've seen an enlargement of it and another with the device to his face.