Len Colby

That at least is what Fetzer and his buddy the Duffman would have you believe. It's hard to believe anyone with enough brainpower to fed themselves and tie their shoes could believe this but...

According to the Duff:

[...]

Battle lines are being drawn
Lines have been drawn, a war is now officially afoot, but a war like no other. The “allies” are led by Russia under Vladimir Putin. Today’s world struggle brings Russia to the forefront for the first time, openly at odds with her own Zionist oligarchs.

With Putin, and read carefully, are the following groups:
- President Obama, the Defense Department, State Department and Pentagon
- The Islamic Republic of Iran
- Syria
- Iraq
- Hezbollah

The “Central” or “Axis” powers make up the following:
- Germany
- Turkey (and Iraqi Kurdistan)
- Israel
- Saudi Arabia and Qatar
- Britain and France
- Senator John McCain and Al Qaeda
- The AIPAC/Israel Lobby in Congress
- The world’s corporate press as spokesman for world organized crime

The war has begun, fighting, not only in Syria but as terrorist attacks inside the United States supported by a carefully orchestrated press campaign to spread fear and lies, setting the stage for continual escalating acts of false flag terrorism, most recently Boston and Woolrich.

[...]

This war began at 2:30AM on May 2, 2013 with the sinking of an Israeli manned German Dolphin submarine that was supporting commando infiltration off the Syrian coast. The sub was spotted, submerged to 150 meters and was hit by a sophisticated guided torpedo.

Syrian helicopters remained over the site of the naval disaster until a Russian flotilla arrived, escorting a salvage ship to secure the nuclear-tipped Tomahawk cruise missiles onboard.

In retaliation, Israel began an artillery bombardment of Syrian positions outside Damascus on May 4. During that bombardment, an Israeli submarine off the coast of Lebanon launched a nuclear cruise missile. High resolution video from fifteen miles away clearly identifies the massive flash, the telltale mushroom cloud and the lightning, leaving no doubt that this was a nuclear attack.

The explosion was picked up by American Vela satellites and confirmed.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/31/306374/1st-supergovernmental-world-war-begins/#sthash.RT2nIIJW.dpuf

Fetzer who seems to have lost his last marble fully endorsed these ravings

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/11/the-obama-paradox-domestic-vs-foreign-policy/

Someone claimed that John values decorum over truth, or something like that. Nonsense. He is not out of bounds at all when he asks that people disagree without resorting to nastiness. What's wrong with that?

I read over the recent exchange with Lifton and DiEugenio and Scully. I don't think this is about whether John is protecting a published writer from criticism on this board. Its about protecting any of us from personal attacks. Lifton's behavior in this wasn't spotless either, but he was responding in kind, and lost his cool a bit. But I don't see where he started the unpleasantness. I would have felt like he did in his place. And btw I think Lifton is a little blind to the extent which the CIA exercises control over the media. But that isn't the point. It is certainly a matter of style not substance.

[...]

Paul,

I respect your opinion but I didn't see what you did (and I'm no fan of Tom's or Jim's) can you point out posts/comments they made that justified John's actions.

Len

If a lie posted here cannot be called a lie here, irrespective of who posts it, then the Forum has outlived its usefulness anyway.

Rather than forbidding the posting of outright lies, what is forbidden is calling a lie a lie. Orwell is spinning.

[...]

"Outlived its usefulness", huh? That rule was in place well before you joined this forum. It does not prohibit demonstrating that claims made by others are false nor IMO does it prohibit demonstration the claimant should have know the information was incorrect. It would be up to the readers to decide if the claimant was dishonest or confused.

I'm confused by your confusion, my last post was in plain English. What didn't you understand?

AJ has a very definite financial incentive for stoking hysteria and pimping gold!!!

She and others obsessed by the violence have coalesced around Jones, 39, expanding the reach of a man who exemplifies the Internet conspiracy industry. Sponsored by Midas Resources Inc., a closely held company that sells gold...

The ideas espoused by Jones, who says he brings in $7 million a year, have prompted groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Alabama, to accuse him of fomenting hate...

[...]

Jones said he got hired on a now-defunct station in Austin, before being fired for tirades in 1999.

He turned to Ted Anderson, who had just started Genesis Communications Network, a radio syndication company in Burnsville, Minnesota, founded to “promote the importance of investing in precious metals,” according to its website.

Anderson uses Genesis to bolster sales for parent company Midas Resources. He is president of both.

Avid Seeker

Jones frequently rails against the Federal Reserve and has espoused a return the gold standard to control spending and take monetary policy out of the hands of the government.

When Jones pitches gold “people will respond,” said Anderson. “We do a lot of business with Alex Jones’s listeners.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-10/alex-jones-sells-gold-on-sirius-with-bombing-conspiracies.html

So, kook? huckster? both? or prophet?

I can't add much beyond John's opening post.

Some egregious fawners have been constantly reporting Jim to moderators. The mail from Albarelli appears to have given John the reason needed to remove Jim. I suspect the long standing Simkin, Janney, Di Eugenio argument is in play also.

Tom appears to be collateral damage and suffers from the finding of Mitchell and his querying of Priscilla n McMillan Johnson. Those whose credibility was impacted most by Tom's questioning probably had undue influence in John's decision.

Moderators found out about the membership deletions at the same time as the membership.

Though I think John did the wrong thing we have to give him credit, few forum owners would have allowed someone who had attacked them, the way Jim had, in as a member. Jim put John down a few more times after joining. But then again I think just about every active member has been put down a few times by people who disagree with them.

Some members have been highly critical of the moderators. Though I've often been displeased by their actions they have a difficult job, no matter what they do some members will accuse them of being too hard on them and their allies or too easy on those they disagree with. That said they could lessen such bitching by being more open. The is a thread specificity for moderator actions were they are suppose to note what they've done and why; it would only take a few seconds to type out 'John Doe's 6/9/13 post on the xxxxxxxx thread made invisible/deleted due to a personal attack' etc.

​I've noticed a few mods have essentially disappeared from the forum and even if Tom is allowed back as a member is unlikely to regain his post, perhaps it's time for some new ones.

Here's the clip, if you just want to see the studio portion skip to 3:40

John,

Just a suggestion, why don't you make your case to the mods. and other admins. and ask them to vote on the matter. If they agree with you that would add legitimacy to your actions.

Len

John,

I've had my differences with both of them and certainly agree that Tom is not fit to be a moderator but I think you may have over reacted a bit, perhaps it would be better to put them on moderation. I don't remember ever agreeing with Martin before but I think booting members without warning is not fair; most members have very strong feelings about the issues they debate here and may get carried away at times. Normally members aren't even put on moderation without warning. This is of course your forum and you can do as you please, but would you have kicked Jim and Tom out if they had acted they way that had regarding issues were not as close to your heart? You should consider the chilling effect this could have, members could be afraid to disagree with you too vigorously for fear of being shown the door. I imagine Jim and Tom will retreat to the DPF and suspect others may follow.

From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:

“The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA's counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK … During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, "What group were these tapes identifying?" Parker replied: "Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, Johnson of Texas, George Bush, and J. Edgar Hoover." I asked, "What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?"

I don't have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to [Congressman] Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, [J. Edgar] Hoover, where [Nelson] Rockefeller asks, "Are we going to have any problems?" And he said, "No, we aren't going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we'll do our job." There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn't realize that his phone has been tapped. Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition p. 638-639]

Oh yeah, Trenton Parker is sooo reliable, ain't he? Tell us again what happened to the supposed tapes.

Ever wonder what people at the top of the defense establishment are taught about JFK and Vietnam?

This book is published by the National Defense University. It appears to be a textbook used at this National Defense University college based in DC and most likely at West Point, Naval Academy etc, but commission by the Pentagon historical department...... It is an overview history of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1942-1991. I would bet members of congress involved in defense matters would read this too.... There are things in this book that are not in normal academic scholarship and it is using sources not available to the public in some instances. That does not mean it is wrong and academics are right - it means that it is based on materials that go beyond the professor in the university. it is not written for the general public. You read this book and you are reading a real history of the American empire and defense establishment written for future leaders of the pentagon and armed forces. There are things in this book not in regular history books:

http://www.ndu.edu/press/lib/pdf/books/council-of-war/council-of-war.pdf

This is what the book has to say about Vietnam and Kennedy, it is pretty chilling:

page. 281:

knowing the Presidents aversion to...

281

the use of combat troops, the Joint Chiefs, CINCPAC, and the CIA came up with

a plan (later designated OPLAN 34A) to bring the war home to North Vietnam

through a campaign of sabotage and covert operations.

[...]

Am I missing something? I didn't see anything 'chilling' or different from what can be found "in regular history books".

[Kitty Kelley, "The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty," pp. 212-213]

On November 22, 1963, George and Barbara headed to Tyler, Texas (population thirty-five thousand), where he was scheduled for a luncheon speech to the Kiwanis Club, a group of one hundred men, meeting at the Blackstone Hotel.

"I remember it was a beautiful fall day," recalled Aubrey Irby, the former Kiwanis vice president. "George had just started to give his speech when Smitty, the head bellhop, tapped me on the shoulders to say that President Kennedy had been shot. I gave the news to the president of the club, Wendell Cherry, and he leaned over to tell George that wires from Dallas confirmed President Kennedy had been assassinated.

"George stopped his speech and told the audience what had happened. 'In view of the President's death,' he said, 'I consider it inappropriate to continue with a political speech at this time. Thank you very much for your attention.' Then he sat down.

"I thought it was rather magnanimous of him to say and then to sit down, but I'm a Republican, of course, and I was all for George Bush. Kennedy, who was bigger than life then, represented extremely opposite views from Bush on everything."

The luncheon meeting adjourned, and George hurried across the street to meet Barbara at the beauty salon for their scheduled flight to Dallas. Before leaving the city, George called the FBI in Houston. Files obtained through the Freedom of Information Act document George's 1:45 p.m. call to the Houston field office: "Bush stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent days ... He stated that one James Milton Parrott has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston."

The man George turned in was an unemployed twenty-four-year-old who had been honorably discharged from the Air Force upon the recommendation of a psychiatrist. He was also a John Bircher who had vigorously opposed George during Bush's campaign for GOP chairman of Harris County. During his interview with the FBI, Parrott said he was a member of the Texas Young Republicans and had been active in picketing members of the Kennedy administration but that he had not threatened the President's life.

Years later, when he was running for President, George would claim that he never made the call. Documents were then produced that refreshed his memory. He also claimed that he did not remember where he was the day John F. Kennedy was killed- "somewhere in Texas," he said. George Bush is possibly the only person on the planet who did not recall his whereabouts that day, although his wife clearly remembered their being in Tyler. She said that at the time of the assassination she was writing a letter in the beauty salon and that they left shortly after hearing the news. They flew to Dallas en route to Houston, and in Dallas they had to circle Love Field several times while the second presidential plane was taking off to return to Washington, D.C.

"The rumors are flying about that horrid assassin," Barbara wrote in her letter. "We are hoping that it is not some far right nut, but a 'commie' nut. You understand that we know they are both nuts, but just hope that it is not a Texan and not an American at all."

George and the three other candidates vying for the GOP Senate nomination suspended campaigning for several weeks but resumed after the first of the year.

[Kitty Kelley, "The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty," pp. 212-213]

Doesn't this pretty much exonerate Bush?

I do feel that the way this is presented is one reason this doesn't get the attention you look for Len. You just have to be neutral and let Fetzers words and actions speak for themselves.

Isn't that what I did in the 1st two posts? What do you think I should do (or have done) differently?

Sid, Irving, David Duke, Piper and their associates and now seemingly Fetzer (et al?), are cut from the same cloth. IMO Sid was never a member of good standing, so where is your discernment?

I think you're forgiving of Sid because on many issues his politics was the same as yours. But let's not forget he was a Holocaust denier and apologist for Hitler. He was also an Antisemite, though I agree not as vehemently as Duke and Irving and perhaps less so than Piper and Fetzer.

6. The top 30 floors of the South Tower pivoted and fell to the side, turning to dust before it reached the horizontal. So it did not even exist to exert any downward pressure on the lower 80 floors. A high-school physics teacher, Charles Boldwyn, moreover, has calculated that, if you take the top 16 floors of the North Tower as one unit of downward force, there were 199 units of upward force to counteract it

Debunkers frequently say that various truthers are crazy but in this case there is expert backing for this. Boldwyn was fired over mental issues well before he became a truther. The following was posted by 'bpete 1969' and the FETZERclaimsDEBUNK Yahoo group:

Here's the link to the State of Florida Division of Administrative Hearings list

of charges:

http://www.doah.state.fl.us/DocDoc/2002/003446/02003446102102i01141021.pdf

Here's a link to the Miami News Times covering his drama and on the sconnd page

you will find the following: "The police report also noted several important

incidents from Boldwyn's record. In 1989 the district substantiated a charge of

battery against him; Boldwyn says a problem student accused him of assault when

he put his hand on the back of her neck to escort her from the classroom.

Boldwyn spent the rest of the semester working in the library. In 1983 police

charged him with DUI, battery on an officer, threats against a public official,

and driving without a valid license. He pleaded guilty to DUI and was referred

to substance-abuse counseling; the remaining charges (which he says stemmed from

a police officer being confrontational with him) were dropped."

"In November of last year, police substantiated the charge of improper conduct

and verbal threats against Dawson. Boldwyn hasn't worked since. On January 28

Coral Gables psychiatrist Anastasio M. Castiello wrote a four-page report, which

states the teacher believed his paint-fume complaints had caused his superiors

to take disciplinary action. (The shrink also misspelled his patient's name

throughout the report.) Castiello's conclusion: "Mr. Boldwin [sic] presented the

clinical picture of an individual suffering from a moderately severe psychiatric

disorder ... [and] an involutional disorder with intertwined elements of

paranoid and the affective disorders."

"Strictly from the psychiatric standpoint, Mr. Boldwin [sic] would not be able

to perform satisfactorily as a teacher."

The link is here: http://www.miaminewtimes.com/1999-08-12/news/toxic-avenger/

Not surprisingly his calculations were wildly off. He only calculated the masses of the columns ignoring the mass of the floors and their contents and ignored that the strength of the column - floor connections and the column assembly - column assembly connections would NOT be proportional to column wall thickness. He also calculated for 6" (15 cm) wall thickness at the base when relaible sources say they maxed out at 4" (10 cm).

Evan,

That was a serious question. Note also that though he defended him and made ironic comments about it John (Simkin) never admonished me for applying the German honorific to Sid Walker. Fetzer's current views are even more extremist than Walker's were and the latter was a member in good standing at the time.

Len

When he goes to a family reunion, half the people are retired CIA... the other half are in-bred morons.

Doubt it, his dad is a dentist and he grew up in what he described as an 'intellectual' home in a fancy suburb of Dallas.

I think he was BSing and it's funny he was to dim to figure out this would undermine his credibility,

Why is he referred to as "R.A. Kris Millegan"?

What is "the McClendon Group"?

Do not refer to Jim Fetzer as "Herr Fetzer"...

Why not?

1) There is little to distinguish his latest views regarding Jews and the Holocaust from those of the Neo-Nazi types he hangs out with and a year or two ago he was already endorsing the Mein Kampf like passages of Stranger Than Fiction. It probably won't belong before he's goose-stepping down Main St. in Madison with a Swastika on each arm.

2) He is no longer a member of this forum and thus no longer subject to the protection afforded them.

3) He is a public figure.

4) I called him that half a dozen times on the FETZERclaimsDEBUNK Yahoo group and he didn't object.

Fetzer replied on another forum:

This is a nice illustration of the stupidity of "Len Brasil" ("Len Colby"
or whatever name he may be using on one forum or another). The use of
electronic techniques of harassment is well-known and uncontroversial.
John Friend was simply explaining why he there had been a delay in his
response to my question. HE HAD MUTED HIS MIC. This guy "Len" has simply
lost his mind.

I think that exposure is the best antidote for such base ignorance.

Fetzer posted the following in response my bringing this up on another forum

A new article that may be of interest, "We are All Russians Now" (author
unknown) may be found at
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/27/we-are-all-russians-now-author-unknown/

From the comments section of Herr Fetzer's interview with Herr Kollerstrom:

http://radiofetzer.blogspot.de/2013/04/nick-kollerstrom.html?showComment=1366645976462#c9172118386573182977

Fetzer recently appeared on the Podcast of John Friend a white supremacist (link below) who believes that Hitler was "the greatest leader in modern Western history, and offer unparalleled inspiration and guidance to us all" and that "Peoples of European ancestry must begin to organize and protect their own interests" and started a group "to develop and advance the interests of traditional White America". Fetzer had previously interviewed Friend on his own show. Towards the end Friend went mute for a few minutes and when he came back [56:00] said he'd been having many technical problems recently:

Fetzer: “...it's a trivial way to harass those who are discussing issues the the powers that be don't want discussed. Lots of individuals have been subject to microwave radiation and so forth to throw them off their game, create headaches, increase their blood pressure or whatever, create ringing in their ears I have a friend who's been subject to massive doses of this...”

Friend then admitted, “My mike was muted”

I think it is possible, but I don't think Tom's "evidence" points to that. It wouldn't be the first time cops or the Feds shot someone with little justification. Even if that were the case I doubt it had to do with some sort of cover-up regarding Boston