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While you're not patting yourself on the back for page views...
Do you have a problem with Jewish folks?
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Depends on the facet of Jewish Belief. You read the Babylon Talmud, the Jewish Law, and tell us that you agree with all the bad hate comments on Gentiles, the Non-Jewish.
Because, if you want to agree with those hate filled comments toward non Jewish oriented people, then you likely didn't need to ask a silly distraction question.
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The discussion thread is zooming past 6,000 views...
U.S. Intelligence orders to me/we, who were infiltration operatives/informants
were to never carry weapons even for personal survival, as in doing so, we
could not/would not,be acknowledged by the federal agency with whom we were involved
under such circumstance should we do so.
Under certain such dangerous often deadly situation to be armed for defense naturally
seemed urgent. I never disobeyed this warning. Though faced with death threats by
the spied upon. Oswald did not!
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LHO was in deep with the Dulles games with the Rocketboys and they were extremely crafty in Dallas. While LHO knew the game to get funding, when JFK turned on Dulles, they wanted to take LHO into the plan, but he blabbed the plan. That Dead Drop LHO message at the Oak Ridge Atomic Museum went right to the FBI. So, he became the Patsy to blame. He also saw it coming and I guess he got a lot defensive.
It certainly didn't help that he owned a couple guns to help crooked Dulles bury LHO along with their mutual CIA secrets. LHO was then being set up in New Orleans with Banister and his Dallas connections.
It sure doesn't look like the LDS types in the FBI, nor their Constitution Defending Danists did a good job of protecting the US from corperate fascism, NAZI styled and Royal Oligarchy produced.
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Brussell was really close, as was John Judge. She was onto the Fluoride issues to make the US dumb and dumber for easy exploitation. That was an IG Farben discovery for German work camps that the Russians adopted for their Siberia camps. The US then got the same treatment due to Dulles NAZI types promoting it.
John Judge was highly onto the NAZI CIA theme and that the UFO's really came from NAZI advanced sciences, as he read about them in the Pentagon's own library. Even Harry Dean found he was guarding a UFO down in Texas in 1946.
Sounds like she mapped out the Dulles history in grabbing up all the NAZI scientists and getting them sprung from war crimes in Germany.
If you are really good, you can take the LHO game to play Marxist to get into Russia and give up all the U-2 secrets to promote the NAZI games in the US for the space race. LHO worked for Dulles and his NAZI Rocket Boys to shut down the U-2's and drive rockets and satellites.
Then we have Dulles on the Warren Commission lead position to make sure Oswald gets burried with all those secrets, because if he tells the US how and why he went to Russia to promote satellites and rockets, then the Dulles take over of America starts to show. The people begin to notice the "state within a state" methods of IG Farben and how the CIA took up those corperatism methods in the US.
You can also begin to see why Hoover leveraged a UK Intelligence and a Zionist in Canada to keep an eye on Dulles, his Huntsville NAZI rocket boys, and the nuclear works using DISC and FBI DIV 5 Counter-Intel. Obviously, the Bloomfield and the Dulles gang clashed. British Intelligence and German NAZI were arch enemies in WWII, and the Germans were highly upset over the dirty deals with Zionism via UK's Lord Balfore. This mess led to offing JFK.
JFK fired Dulles and shut down his NAZI kill operations for a time, until the military adopted the same with Phonex and White Star and others akin with corrupt Oliver North. Ollie's people in Vietnam wore all black uniforms, like they liked the SS or something.
Ironically, Brussell was Jewish and she was hot on the trail for exposing the corruption in the US due to traitorous Dulles' NAZI methods to abduct American's Freedoms using NAZI science and political control methods.
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/the_critics/brussell/Brussell.html
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/the_critics/Brussell/Brussellbio.html
http://www.baylor.edu/lib/poage/jfk/index.php?id=59916
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The basic line-up in Dallas was that HL Hunt, General Walker, Walter Dornberger, and even LBJ were supporting the NAZI rocket and space ventures, as that was going to become a rich business for Texas. This linked to the big oil boys, persons like Hunt, Rockefellers who funded the NAZIs in WWII and taught IG Farben the Rockefeller methods for corperatism.
All these crooks hated JFK, and they had this obstacle with DISC to overcome, as their leader didn't have appreciation for the NAZI Dulles elements of the CIA. The DISC counter espeonage claxons were sounding high alerts. So, the Dallas Ring leader, meaning Hunt, draws in PERMINDEX, Nagy, Shaw, Bloomfield.
http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread409512/pg4
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread375760/pg3
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We have been looking at lots of the old history leading up to the mess that caused the JFK assassination.
We have explored that the US took up the spoils of war from Germany, and this included lots of the German Intelligence sections linked to Gehlen and others. The CIA was running heavy with the ideas or spoils gained from Hitler's Germany. The CIA turned into a political killing unit like that of Pre-NAZI Germany for Hitler gaining power. The CIA turned into a "state within a state" type power by the time JFK came along, the same term was applied to IG Farben in Germany. Hitler just had the opposition killed and they used special caliber guns and once that was seen the investigations never progressed.
Now, we can take a look at Lee Harvey Oswald's mission to Russia and giving up all the secrets to Russia's German Rocket Scientists to be able to shoot down a US U-2 spy plane. LHO gave them the altitudes, base locations, range, speeds, and target interests for the U-2 and with that the keys to Russia making a rocket that was able to down a U-2. While much of the data was obvious, it was rebel rousing attention that a U-2 US Defector came to Russia.
The exiting Russian S-75 missle was not good enough to get a U-2, nither was the existing Russian aircraft high flying and fast enough, so the data accumulated and rebel rousing allowed for the design of the much larger V-750 VN rocket that downed Powers and also got a U-2 over Cuba on Oct. 27, 1962. By 1962, all the LHO U-2 rebel rousing in Russia turned into a real monster. The V-750's ringed Cuba as surface to air defense, and other V-750's could carry 15 KT weapons.
U-2s were basically getting to be old technology and it was time to dump any more spending on the U-2 and jump start the move into using space for spy satellites. Thus, when Gary Powers went down, Khruchev went ballistic (seems like another shoe banging episode, nice U-2 parts show, and trial for FGP for Spying), and the US Rocket Spy Satellite Programs went into hyperdrive. It seems FGP forgot to hit the U-2 destruct switch, so the Soviets got a pretty much intact U-2 complete with all the cameras and technology. Thus, the rockets and satellites became the new standard for photo recon driven by the successes of the V-750 VN rockets against U-2s.
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http://www.ehow.com/facts_7351892_surface-air-missile-launch.html
History
By 1945, the Nazi leadership was reported to be developing several SAM systems to defend against Allied bombers. These were never put into operation because Germany was defeated. However, the Germans' Wasserfall missile was a precursor of the Nike-Ajax, the first SAM developed by the U.S., and the V-750 SAM, the first developed by the Soviet Union.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_(satellite)
The Corona project was pushed forward especially following the shooting down of a U-2 spy plane over the Soviet Union in May 1960.
The first Corona launch containing a camera was carried out in June 1959 with the cover name Discoverer 4. This was a 750 kilogram satellite launched by a Thor-Agena rocket.
The return capsule of the Discoverer 13 mission, which launched August 10, 1960, was successfully recovered the next day.[6] This was the first time that any object had been recovered successfully from orbit. After the mission of Discoverer 14, launch on August 18, 1960, its film bucket was successfully retrieved two days later by a C-119 Flying Boxcar transport plane. This was the first successful return of photographic film from orbit. In comparison, Sputnik 5 was launched into orbit on August 19, 1960, one day after the launch of Discoverer 14. Sputnik 5 was a biosatellite that took into orbit the two Soviet space dogs, Belka and Strelka, and then safely returned them to the Earth .[7]
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LHO bails out of the Soviet Union in June 1962, his little mixed Intelligence mission completed. By this time it is evident the rocket shift has become a new monster. Between the Jupiter Missles in Turkey and the U-2s, the Rocket Wars were on with Russia and the US. JFK apparently diffused this issue with Jupiters and was on the road to peace with Khruchev, but that was too socilist an agenda for these Mil/Ind types. LHO plugs right into a nice little game with Guy Bannister in NO. He has a new game now, Cuba.
So, that should tell anyone what LHO was really working on and who he was working for, as well as to why he could so easily come back to the US and plug almost right into the kill Castro plan in NO. LHO's Russia mission was Dulles and the NAZI rocket interests fueled.
From this little issue, one can see why Hoover had Bloomfield, of UK Intelligence and Zionist fame, having oversight, via DISC, of the Huntsville NAZI weapons business and why they really didn't like that idea, nor did Texas that also got a lot of benefits.
Technically, Lee Harven Oswald started the race for space for the German rocket scientists and killed the U-2 program. LHO also didn't kill JFK, whom he was trying to protect from the Dallas NAZI's.
Lee Oswald made the Texas weapons and planes businesses lots of money, along with lots of work for Huntsvilles NAZI rocket boys, and even more work for Oak Ridge to make nuclear weapons to go on those. It progressed to nuclear madness with ICBMs and the power to almost obliterate the life on planet Earth. LHO was an Oak Ridge hero for Jobs.
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Some of the other discussion boards are coming along rapidly:
http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread409512/pg4
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread375760/pg3
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Hello Harry,
Thank You for adding your "PLANS and PLANNERS" from pages 12 and 13 of your book / manuscript, called "CROSSTRAILS", to help folks understand the issues better.
I see, from page 23, that you had a "Close Encounter" in 1946 down at Sheppard Field in Texas with an old German artifact, the US is still trying to hide. Guess that would tell the US adopted way too much German items as the spoils of war.
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Yes, this was in the year 2000 from CROSSTRAILS manuscript/book,
as follows;
PLANS and PLANNERS
A certain piece of history not yet known to them and which they
must have later learned. An American plan being considered in
the 1930s to declare war on the British empire followed by the
annexing and occupation Canada and other English subject
countries .
British/English iron-grip control of world trade drove the
entire European and American continence keeping them at a
brink-of-war depression level. England's merchant fleets and
navies ruled the waves. The sun never set on her world wide
empire.
This strangulation, created a United States plan and a similar
plan being formulated in Germany for unnatural expansion,
simply for survival and economic recovery! Germany's dire problems
made them first to execute their plan bringing England and
British Canada into the European war in September 1939.
The United States held back for the next two years as an alleged
neutral nation until December 7 1941. Diplomatic and trade relations
were continued by the U.S. during those two years with all
belligerent nations,surreptitiously,and openly.
With England pounded almost into submission and her global empire
melting away, the U.S. began to aid that British wreckage. The
greatest enemy {extensive British economic tyranny} had been
destroyed.
The elimination of eroding German European military/economic
control was all but assured. Having accumulated much of the wealth
of warring nations, and with her greater industrial production in
hand, the United States entered and directed the war, and the
world, on her own terms.
The successful invasion from England upon German-held Europe was
to the U.S. with her trailing allies the beginning of a-like-or-not
new world order?
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It also helps to take a close look at what Harry J. Dean tells us in "Crosstrails" on pages 13 and 14 under the subtopic of "Hounds and Mice." After the JFK assassination England and Canada moved toward making Canada look less threating to the US. Harry Dean was born in Canada and really didn't care much for them and struck out for the US. He'd soon encounter lots of new things in the US from watching secret aircraft to seeing the hate of the John Birch Society toward JFK. Harry Dean offers some insights on the changing Nationalistic UK Appearance issues of Canada subsequent to the JFK assassination.
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Citation from:
HOUNDS and MICE
Between 1967 and 1982 Canada, replaced the British (Union Jack) flag with their present maple leaf flag. They set aside the British national anthem of (God save the King/Queen) substituting it with their own anthem of 'O Canada'. In that era those same 'formerly British Subjects' became for the first time 'Canadian Citizens'. But that national is still subject to a King or Queen of England as head of the Canadian state. The Queen appoints her 'Governor General' {agent} to preside as supreme official over Primier {chief political leader} of Canada. It has a parlimentary 'British style government' and remains part of the Royal Monarchy System. Much of the mineral wealth of Canada is still owned by England's Royal family. The Royal facial image remains imprinted on the money of Canada. {I continued to observe the ongoing generations of Canda. Like their ancestors they yet for the most part maintain a pro-British aloof attitude, and many, its corrupting English morals, with a favorable view of similar, modern U.S. mores}. In the 1990's the United Staes, with England, and Canada in lock-step, along with other lesser nations, {Canada total population, little more than 30 million} became fearsome partners in the new world order economic brute force war making. Shall the visious hounds, and rabid mice contineu to plague the world with the 'created chaos, and devious solutions'?
Is it possible that we are mere slavish pawns in this game, unaware, and living in a fools paradise --- exposed to 'certain' deadly reactions -- and severe economic reversals that could bring a regrettable new dark age of sorrows with 'controlled' physical hardships in a total materialistic, and 'spirit-crushed' world.? {I regret finding is necessary to quote the disgusting old communist Nikolai Lenin}.... But before his death in 1924 he said; "Germany will arm itself out of existence -- England/Great Britain, will expand herself out of existance -- United States will loan/spend itself out of existence" ... The first two predictions came true...
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John Judge offered some most interesting insights into the issues of the NAZIs in the US and even as a kid running around the Pentagon's library he noticed the Pentagon knew about the fancy new lenticular aircraft designs of the NAZIs the US captured from around underground sites of Berlin. The UFO mess was these advanced soucer looking German flying machines and some of the mess at White Sands testing range was not UFO's from Space, but one from nuclear experiments on these old NAZI flying machines and human experimenatation. Right there at Ft. Bliss, Texas was the roots of the rockets and the advanced aircraft of the NAZI war machine.
The US not only inherited all this, they get almost the entire German Intelligence Networks from IG Farben on up to Ghelen's Russian Spy machine. This NAZI like kill the opposition to corporatism method operated under CIA until JFK upset their Apple Cart.
What few people forget is the CIA became the NAZI SS West and Dulles was their Hero. Hitler came to power via the methods of politcal assassinations and this was the methods the CIA chose to use and it went to extremes in White Star and Phoenix in Vietnam with the DOD rubber stamping CIA kill plans, and with killing JFK. It was not unusual at all, that this group would chose to set up JFK for being shot.
The main players were Hunt's buddies with the NAZI gang that wanted to not only get JFK for shutting down the CIA NAZI kill methods and putting them under the DOD, but they wanted the Jewish factions controlling the Defense Industrial Security---that was Hoover and Bloomfield and the UK Intelligence. The NAZI elements hated this side of the Intelligence. PERMINDEX didn't operate under CIA mandated restrictions.
Like it or not---Canada has been the enemy of the US, from burning down the White House in the War of 1812, to the Code Red plans against Canada that were highly classified. The British ran kill squads out of Montreal. Canada did a little make over, like a name change to make them look a bit more friendly to the US. But the UK Intelligence allied with the Zionists wasn't accepted as friendly in Intelligence Circles.
It was a pretty simple game to draw in the Bloomfield gang by NAZI escallation with Egypt, and causing a heated battle with JFK and Ben Gurion. This drew in the UK and Jewish controller killers network, which got even for JFK shutting down the NAZI elements with the CIA. So, the desire for the displaced Germans NAZIs was to take down Bloomfield, UK, and using PERMINDEX to do they job they wanted done.
Things stopped short of giving up the real issues driving the hit on JFK, and the simple plan of framing LHO became the solution for all the plotters to get away with murder.
The Ring Leaders for this ugly Check-Mated operation was still the highly NAZI intelligence connected Dallas Birchers, and they were the root of the plot's invention.
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http://www.american-buddha.com/americabetrayedch4.htm
Dulles immediately began recruiting Nazi terrorists and SS torturers to fill the ranks, and to teach SS methods to new CIA recruits (6,10,12). Almost overnight, the CIA became a criminal enterprise, devoted to protecting the business interests of the Wall Street elite, including those directed or controlled by Bush, Harriman, Rockefeller, and the Dulles brothers. Anyone and everyone challenging or threatening the ability of these men and their associates to make money and to rape and exploit third world countries, became dangers to “national security.” Opponents would be eliminated, their governments or organizations toppled, and indigenous populations, including workers, murdered or terrorized into submission—tactics identical to those employed by Hitler’s SS—the Brotherhood of Death (7).
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THE NAZI-REPUBLICAN WING OF THE PARTY
Like Hitler’s Gestapo (7,8), the mission of the CIA had a definite political purpose which was to put into power those sympathetic to the interests of the Wall Street elite and who supported the fascist ideology of the Brotherhood. However, it was not just third world countries which would be subverted, but the government of the United States.
As explained by Loftus and Aarons (1) “Dulles had been recruiting Nazis under the cover of the State Department’s Office of Policy Coordination. Eastern European émigré networks that had worked first for the SS, then the British, and finally Dulles” were also recruited and put on the payroll of the State Dept., even though they were Nazis working for the CIA.
“The CIA did not know it, but Dulles was bringing them to the United States less for intelligence purposes than for political advantage. The Nazis’ job quickly became to get out the vote for the Republicans.”
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While George Bush did his duty bringing Nazis into positions of power in the republican party, Nixon, after he became President, was surrounding “himself with what was known as the Berlin Wall, a long succession of advisors with Germanic names: We recall at the top of his ‘German General Staff’ as it was also known, there was Haldeman, Erlichman, Krogh, Kliendienst, Kissinger (the Rockefellers’ emissary) and many others” (19).
As described by Groden and Livingstone (19), “Some of these men would watch the great Nazi propaganda films in the basement of the White House until all hours of the night, and drink, in fact, get drunk with their power, with blind ambition, as one of them wrote.”
As detailed by Loftus and Aarons (1), “According to several of our sources in the intelligence community who were in a position to know, the secret rosters of the Republican party’s Nationalities Council read like a Who’s Who of Fascist fugitives. The Republican’s Nazi connection is the darkest secret of the Republican leadership.”
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When John F. Kennedy came to office, the CIA was so powerful, that it was almost a state within a state, a power answerable only to itself. It could do whatever it wanted, and it did, and was able to resist even minimal supervision from the two previous administrations. Murder, terrorist attacks, the rigging of elections, the incitement of rebellions, the instigation of coups, and plots to kill foreign leaders, were all planned and carried out with little input from outsiders, including two previous presidents of the United States.
The CIA and the Wall Street Brotherhood assumed Kennedy would also take a hands off approach, and would do what he was told, that he would bend to their wishes.
They were wrong.
Kennedy was concerned about international repercussions if Cuba were attacked. Attacking another sovereign state without provocation would be a violation of international law.
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On June 28, 1961 Kennedy signed National Security Action Memoranda 57, which (along with Memoranda 55,56) effectively stripped responsibility for covert “paramilitary” operations from the CIA, and put them under the control of the Defense Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. These memoranda sent shockwaves and stirred up outrage throughout the CIA—feelings which reached the boiling point when rumors began to circulate that if Kennedy won a second term, he would appoint his brother, Bobby Kennedy to be head of the CIA.
Dulles had been deposed and now his private police force, his creation, his personal instrument of terror, had been stripped from his hands. Not only was Kennedy going to destroy it but he he was going to hand the remains over to his brother.
It was Kennedy who would have to be destroyed.
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The leader of the pack was Allen Dulles, former director of the CIA. A curious choice. Dulles had been fired by Kennedy because Kennedy believed Dulles was untrustworthy and a xxxx. What kind of man was Allen Dulles? He was a man who had been in business with Nazis, who sought to have SS chief and mass murderer Heinrich Himmler take the place of Hitler, and who had recruited Nazi mass murderers for his CIA and into the Republican party (1,2,5,6,10,11,12,18). Whereas his Nazi partners tortured and killed millions, Dulles and his CIA were directly responsible for the mass murder and torture of 100s of thousands of men, women, and children (13,35). Dulles was a killer. He had a Nazi-mentality.
Second in command: John McCloy, chairman of Chase Manhattan bank (59)—a bank owned by the Rockefellers, and a bank that was used as a Nazi front and which laundered Nazi funds, and which stole tens of millions of dollars from Jews who were being murdered and worked to death in the concentration camps being run by Rockefeller business partner, IG Farben (1,2,60,61,62). Indeed, Rockefeller’s Chase Manhattan bank (like the Bush-Harriman gang) continued its relationship with the Nazis even after Pearl Harbor, and after the Nazis declared war on the U.S. It was because of Chase/Rockefeller collusion with the Nazis that law suits were filed by victims of its business practices (60,61). Chase and other Nazi-banks were forced to pay millions of dollars in compensation to those it stole from and who were murdered and whose property was seized by its Nazi business partners.
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Since 1956, Eisenhower had authorized the U2, an ultra-light, high-flying spy plane, to conduct secret reconnaissance missions over the Soviet Union (70). The reason he approved these missions was that he did not believe the reports he was getting from Dulles and the CIA, which claimed a Soviet military superiority. Eisenhower hoped that the information obtained from these flights would silence the warmongers in his administration and on Wall Street. The Soviets lacked the interceptor aircraft and missiles to shoot down the U2, so Eisenhower was confident that he could always deny their existence.
At the insistence of Allen Dulles and gang, Eisenhower reluctantly agreed to one last flight, just as the Paris summit approached. On May 1, 1960, U2 pilot Frances Gary Powers was detected and then shot down as he crossed the Soviet Union (70).
A belligerent Khrushchev was enraged and canceled the summit.
There was jubilation on Wall Street and in the Dulles’ households.
Shortly thereafter, less than 18 months after his defection, and 6 months after Gary Powers had been shot down, Oswald —who had been stationed at Atsugi Air Base in Japan, the home of the largest CIA station in the Pacific and the super-secret U2 spyplane— opened negotiations with the U.S. Embassy in Moscow (52). Amazingly, Oswald was not only granted permission to immediately return to the United States but he was allowed to bring his new Russian wife, with the U.S. picking up the tab!
Why?
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Was Oswald a CIA agent? An “undercover agent?” Some think so (71), including his mother (52).
It would be a neat trick, indeed, to train Oswald as a CIA agent, use him to provide info resulting in the downing of Gary Power’s U2 spy plane, and then bring him back, set him up for a mission which he knows little about, put him in that book depository, have 3 expert CIA marksmen kill Kennedy, and then, have Oswald, the communist defector and friend of Cuba, take the blame.
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However, Cuba was not attacked. Instead, Lyndon Johnson, upon becoming president, escalated the war in Vietnam.
The Wall Street elite, the war mongers, were delirious with joy. Billions of dollars would be spent and were spent fighting the Vietnam war. The war was a cash cow.
War has always been good for business.
The death of Kennedy had resulted in war.
Dulles and the Bush-Harriman-Rockefeller gang, had won again.
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One of the most interesting insights as to the NAZI issues stems from John Judge and his associations with Mae Brussell. John Judge grew up near Washington, DC and sounds like Falls Church, Va. suburbs. There he got to listen to the various persons employed in interesting positions as well as poke around the Pentagon's library.
I think everyone will spot some real eye opening associations. Like Zapruder was a White Russian Jewish type. Clay Shaw was part of the Paperclip games that brought the NAZIs into the US.
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http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/ATF.html
Assassination as a Tool of Fascism
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JOHN JUDGE: Thank you. I started this work, really, in a sense, when I started to visit the Pentagon library. My parents, my mother and father, and my aunt who I lived with, worked as civilian employees in the Pentagon, and they used to take me in when I was a kid. And by the 6th grade, I had a 12th grade reading level, because I went to this private school, where they kind of pushed us. So they would drop me off in the library for the day, and I used to go through the stuff in there, because I was, you know, 10-11 years old, nobody seemed to care much what I was looking at. And I found it pretty interesting.
And one of the things I figured out back then, because I was interested in UFOs, was that they were really government spy craft, and not extraterrestrial craft from some other place. And for those of you who wanted them to be extraterrestrial, maybe a few of them were. But most of them were a Nazi secret weapon that was developed in the aerospace caves outside of Berlin, and seen by GIs when they came in, along with the jet engines. And it was a technology that was kept secret. Like William S Burroughs says, `If this was the Middle Ages, and Magellen was an American, and we sailed around the planet and found out it was round instead of flat, we wouldn't tell anybody so we could attack from the rear.'
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So, I really began the research and the work there. And I like to research, I like to read. And I would go to these cocktail parties in my neighborhood around Christmas time, and the guy across the street sold all the weapons to Howard Hughes, and the next door neighbor was CIA, and two doors down was NASA, and those were my neighbors in Falls Church, VA when I grew up, and they would get a little stewed, and they'd talk about business.
And I thought it was all pretty strange, but I didn't have any reason to question that there was a secret government, because I lived with that secret government. And you get Bill Moyers now, and he tells you, `Well, there's a legitimate government, but from time to time, to do a certain job, they hire a rather unseemly crew, and sometimes they get a little out of control and make trouble.'
I'd suggest it's the other way around: that the real government are the people that are doing the killing, and that they hire the people in the three piece suits to stand up and make you think you've got a democracy in front of you. Don't you think that's what it is?
See, because the real government kills people, and that's part of how it stays in power. Now, if you go back to the period at the end of the Weimar Republic, in the late `20s and the early `30s, before Hitler rose to power, you'll find a pattern of political assassinations.
It's depicted, interestingly, in Ingmar Bergman's probably least distributed film, The Serpent's Egg. And, the people that begin to die are the labor leaders, the political activists, the musicians. The people who might have an effective public voice, and might stand against the Fascism, begin to die in large numbers. And the German police admitted that these were political assassinations. But they said they couldn't solve them. They couldn't make the historical link to what was happening, or they could but were paid not to, like many of the investigations that we have now in this country: They couldn't solve those murders.
They couldn't hook them to the most obvious suspects, which were the members of the Freikorps from World War I: the trained and paid assassins from that period, who were helping to pave the way for Hitler, and for the end of the political opposition there. And there was plenty of it. I mean there was quite a bit of socialist/communist organizing in that period. Marx's vision of the world was that the first countries to make the change would be these industrialized countries, like Germany, and so most of the people that were continuing the Bolshevik revolution in those years move foreward with that.
The idea of the political assassinations and their origins really go back to 1918. Not that no one was killed earlier; I certainly don't suggest that. But in terms of what we're dealing with in the current period, most of this is a reaction to that revolution, to that change of power there in Russia, and in some of the other countries, in that period of time, in the early 1900s.
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And Dorhnberger was actually scheduled for indictment. The British prosecutor, Shawcross, said that he ought to hang. He was suspected of having worked, not only at Dora, but with the `Butcher' at Auschwitz, at the Auschwitz concentration camp. And instead, when Werhner von Braun got here to the United States, he said that he wouldn't do any work on our rockets unless we saved his mentor, his old friend, Walter Dorhnberger. So McCloy and Lucius Clay intervened on his behalf and he was brought directly to the United States. And first, he got a job in Huntsville, I think at Mussel Shoals, with NASA for a little bit. And then he got into a position that he kept for many, many years, where he headed up the helicopter systems division at Bell Aircraft in the Dallas/Houston area.
And it was in that position that he hired, during the 1950s and `60s, a top-ranking military intelligence agent by the name of Michael Paine. Michael Paine had a wife, Ruth Paine, and the two of them were very tight with the White Russian Solidarist community that lived in Dallas, many of these White Russians. And I say the history of these Nazis dates back to the time of the [bolshevik] revolution. They're disaffected. Many of them worked with the CIA and other spy agencies, and Paine's family had connections with them. They went to a White Russian Orthodox church there, in Dallas, that was built with monies from the Cummins Catherwood Fund from Philadelphia. One of the blue-line families out in Philadelphia, Cummins Catherwood also funded the Cuban Aid Relief for the Bay of Pigs survivors, who were intimately involved in the assassination.
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Werhner von Braun, knowing that the Russians, the Soviet troops, were going to come into Berlin, packed up shop at Dora, where he was building the rockets. He moved into Switzerland, leaving a trail for US Intelligence, that had contacted him and other scientists months before in something called Operation Overcast. When he got up into that area, General Thurston, who was in charge of the military takeover for that sector, followed through with the arrangements to have him and several other scientists arrested and brought to the United States.
The person who actually effected the arrests, the physical arrests, of Werhner von Braun and the rocket scientists, the Paper Clip boys (they called it Project Paper Clip, to bring these people in) was the aide-de-camp to Thurston, a fellow named Clay Shaw. Years later, Jim Garrison attempted to indict Clay Shaw for his involvement in the assassination of John F Kennedy. And Clay Shaw, among other things, was on the board of directors of a firm called Permindex, which had offices at that time out of Canada. Where they were doing training, along with British Intelligence, of assassins all during World War II. It was work that involved, among other people, Ian Fleming. And in fact, Ian Fleming's character, James Bond, is a real person that lives in Philadelphia and is very close to the Cummins Catherwood family.
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The reason I'm making all these secondary comments is that we found out when Abraham Zapruder died that he's a White Russian. That he was from that same section there in Minsk, where George DeMohrenschildt and Marina's family came from. Marina's uncle was a high-ranking military officer in the NKVD, but her family was White Russian and anti-communist. And Gehlen infiltrated a lot of the KGB and Soviet military and intelligence structures during the war, and left agents in place. There's reason to believe that a number of people that were involved with Oswald, even in the Soviet Union, also tie to this International Fascism; and not to the idea that Oswald was some kind of a KGB agent. He was a Naval Intelligence operative. He had crypto clearance. He travelled around with the U-2. And he was a U.S. spy. He was sent to defect falsely to the Soviet Union.
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Just to take one more example: When Reinhard Gehlen came here, many of his 300 operatives were funnelled through a section of the Defense Department known as the Army Historical Division. Because they, especially George Patton, were busy hiring Nazis to help them write the official history of World War II. So both Nazi war criminals and Nazi historians were channeled in through this, and then fed into the beginnings of the CIA, which was formed by Gehlen and his organization. And into Radio Free America and Radio Free Europe. The engines of the National Security State and the Cold War logic were a lie.
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And just recently, when I was reading Tennessee Waltz by James Earl Ray, where he names the person in Canada that introduced him to the mysterious character Raoul, who set him up as the patsy. He says that that's a person named David Gravier. Well David Gravier is an international financier, connected to American Banking and Trust, which itself is a major subsidiary of guess who? Credit Suisse. Where did he [Ray] meet him [Raoul]? In Canada, where Permindex was located. See, so you'll find the connections going back to certain firms, certain cover.
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John J McCloy, among other things during the period when he was Under-Secretary of War, was responsible, along with Earl Warren and a fellow named S Dillon Reed, for the set-up of the Japanese concentration camps in the United States and the internment of Japanese, not German or white peoples, but Japanese people here. A lot of them lived out here in California, and you may know some of the history of the different concentration camps that were out here. People lost their property and their money. McCloy still speaks openly against any reparations for those people, and believes it was proper that he had them locked up and treated the way that they were during the war.
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And Dorhnberger was actually scheduled for indictment. The British prosecutor, Shawcross, said that he ought to hang. He was suspected of having worked, not only at Dora, but with the `Butcher' at Auschwitz, at the Auschwitz concentration camp. And instead, when Werhner von Braun got here to the United States, he said that he wouldn't do any work on our rockets unless we saved his mentor, his old friend, Walter Dorhnberger. So McCloy and Lucius Clay intervened on his behalf and he was brought directly to the United States. And first, he got a job in Huntsville, I think at Mussel Shoals, with NASA for a little bit. And then he got into a position that he kept for many, many years, where he headed up the helicopter systems division at Bell Aircraft in the Dallas/Houston area.
And it was in that position that he hired, during the 1950s and `60s, a top-ranking military intelligence agent by the name of Michael Paine. Michael Paine had a wife, Ruth Paine, and the two of them were very tight with the White Russian Solidarist community that lived in Dallas, many of these White Russians. And I say the history of these Nazis dates back to the time of the [bolshevik] revolution. They're disaffected. Many of them worked with the CIA and other spy agencies, and Paine's family had connections with them. They went to a White Russian Orthodox church there, in Dallas, that was built with monies from the Cummins Catherwood Fund from Philadelphia. One of the blue-line families out in Philadelphia, Cummins Catherwood also funded the Cuban Aid Relief for the Bay of Pigs survivors, who were intimately involved in the assassination.
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Another person with connections to the Nazis, who was very instrumental in the assassination, is George DeMohrenschildt. He came from a reactionary family in Russia. His father was a top level employee of the Nobel oil family, which was like the Rockefellers here, prior to the [bolshevik] revolution. They lost their fortune there. His brother, Von DeMohrenschildt, was jailed by the revolution for a period. When they got loose, they went to Germany. They helped the Fascists set up. Von went into the CIA-funded Tolstoy Foundation, which was a center for the White Russians during the whole period. And George DeMohrenschildt was an oil engineer. Among other places that he worked, and was close to, was Kerr-McGee (he was tight with Mr. Kerr), where Karen Silkwood was later killed by the Industrial Security Command guards. That Defense Industrial Security Command was running Mussel Shoals and Huntsville, Alabama, when the Nazis arrived.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Rudolph
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/02-02-07/discussion.cgi.153.html
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Hello Harry Dean,
You are totally correct on the Bircher fallout with Revilo Oliver is because Welch would not let the Birchers get into the "Jewish problems". Oliver, a Texan by Birth (Later moved Ca and Ill.), was never short on words for the Jewish issues, as they are a huge issue in Russia and the Jewish there, a huge issue in dragging the US into the middle of WWI, and likewise for the scheming on WWII. I do think Hunt and his Texas Pro-Hitler buddies understood the same issues about the wars manipulations as Ingrid Rimland spoke to in her four missives in the "Veterans Today" editorials. These VT articles are mentioned in this thread for background continuity.
I do think it was Revilo that became so disgusted with Welch that he resigned from the Birchers in huge protest and started calling Welch the "Welcher" and worse. There came some real drama in the Oliver leaving the Birchers. Revilo was not happy with Welch and joined the Welcher Hate club and distanced himself, like Goldwater and Buckley. It would have been good to dig out those double dealing crooked deals the UK and the Jewish pulled off on the US, and perhaps this was Hunt's ultimate threat----to get all that out in public and tell the world what a bunch of dirty dealers the UK German Royal types were and their Jewish German Banksters, in collusion.
It is interesting that Revilo was so insensed he went on to help found the IHR, or Institute of Historical Review, which continually digs up issues on the Holocaust. So, he definitly looking at truth in the history of events. I think he started seeing he and others were had, but never got too close. Otherwise, they'd have killed him too.
Yet we do know that the Big Money Bircher in Dallas was very Pro-NAZI, Pro-Hitler, and his pals were up to putting in Jewish people in visible places for the JFK hit. So, perhaps Welch didn't have much control over the Dallas Burchers or he was looking the other way for all the big money advantages, or just didn't want to take on Hunt's Empire Building. But, the Texas Bircher Gang were all a lot like Revilo in thinking. And they had an active cover plan to drag in the Jews, just like the games they played against the US in WWI and WWII and give them a dose of their own corrupt manipulative medicine.
Texas inherited a lot of Germans in the 1800's and they moved to the West Texas Hill Country region and most likely they all kept up with the History of Germany and Hitler and well recognized all the scheming between the UK Royals and the German Jewish Banking interests. These factors were common knowledge with Hunt and his German pals.
Hunt just saw a good time to put it too the UK Intelligence and their Jewish good ole boys and dragged them into something that would well end their existance, if told. So, then Hunt not only pulled off owning Hoover, he pulled off owning Bloomfield and half of British Intelligence.
As for Masons, there is little difference in Masons and the Zionist Jewish folks and the Masons are typically loaded with Jewish brothers. The key to the upper eschelon on the Masons is they are all loyal to the Mother Lodge in London. The Jewish elite types are similar and they deal all the major cards to London's banking because they backed Israel. So, invariabley UK and Israel are political cronies, where the Jewish trickery in Wars set up the UK's very existance. The UK would not be in existance but for this Jewish trickery.
The UK Islanders were nearly scrubbed off their Islands several times, but for Jewish tricks to drag the US into their wars. So the corrupt UK is beholding to the Zionists to not be driven into the Mediterranean. Stupid Americans kept falling for that, and the US should really consider the UK and the Israelis as enemies due to this trickery, and I'd think this was Hunt's thinking, as well.
So, what goes around comes around and it was well time for someone to screw the UK Intelligence and put them on notice that the whole world can learn what kind of dirt bags they became in their desires to exploit others.
The JFK hit was as much to get rid of JFK as to set up British Intelligence and their corrupt Zionist factions.
So, even today the world is still battling with this effect of who has the money and how much they get to have. The issue of too much money leads to Fascism and Royalist control and NWO games, and the more socialist approach says dump the Fed. Res., limit the power of corporations and their owner's collective wealth to control the Govt., and put the power back into the hands of We The People.
One side wants to kill all the other side and nobody has enough sense to steer down the middle of the road. And it is mostly due to keeping all the secrets. The JFK assassination has a lot more secret issues besides the major faction that set up his killing, as the plot to leverage the cover up and win the game is where all the major dirt really lies. And that Major Dirt will set you free, as the CIA Motto likes to profess. So, we all seek the truth and Freedom.
The biggest secrets on the JFK hit are how the plotters put the system into Check-mate and won. The Biggest secrets are who they set up and why, and what the knowledge of those factors would do to the Public's impression of the UK and of Jewish Zionists. Exposing the full can of worms on the JFK plotters is a Huge Foreign Policy issue, but ones of major deceit and treachery the public needs to become aware about. Perhaps the Birchers knew this would become a time bomb of sorts, and it is time for its final delivery.
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Hello Harry Dean,
Yes, your book / manuscript does get very perceptively into the British Empirism. Very perceptive.
Thank You for the comment.
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That silent war between Canada and the US still existed with Montreal's UK Intelligence operations long after WWII.
It was extremely obvious that having a British Intelligence type that is UK good ole boy Zionist as DISC and FBI Div 5 would be asking for trouble from the US NAZI component that was screwed by the UK Royals double dealing with the German Jewish controlled big banking. Hoover was an idiot for putting that in place. The US was screwed over twice by the British Jewish schemes, and the last thing anyone would do is keep the door open to have it happen again. Hoover's early loyalty was only to the big Royalist bankers, a UK Masonic style loyalty to UK, and not really to "We The People". Later, Hoover became owned by Merchinson and Hunt and their Mafia helpers. They needed to own The UK Jewish Factions that pulled Hoover's chain.
When I look at the Dallas form of the Birchers they appear to have instigated the Stalinist approach to Capitalism. Stalin had the Great Purges, as he cleaned out the military of Trotski's Jewish components, and was going to get to the rest of the Jewish domination in Russia when he died, or was knocked off like JFK. Trotsky gets run off in place of getting shot, ends up in Mexico. A new book speaks to this, that Henry Makow provides some commentary:
http://www.henrymakow.com/stalin.html
What the Burchers were after was a Stalin type purge of anything that offered the slightest bit of interference with extreme right capitalism's intentions to build a mega-corporation that had the like power of IG Farben in Germany. They wanted to dominate the US, as well as foreign policy to purge any and all Communists in the US and in other countries.
As part of the Stalin Purge mentality we see the JCS Curtis LeMay type in constant battles with JFK for his mad bomber approach to Khruchev and Russia. LeMay became the character model for Dr. Strangelove. The Birchers Stalinist mode liked the idea of gunning down JFK in public and documenting the shooting on film, as they sought to tell the future US Presidents that they ran the show. They liked killing MLK similarly, as for them and Hoover these were Communist interests. Same with RFK for even thinking he could win office and go after the Big Oil Bircher types of the Communist Purge minded Birchers and their helpful conspiring CIA buddies.
This whole mess stems from the Capitalist money powers becoming concerned that Govt, would limit their powers to control the country and do this by limiting their wealth, controlling how must progressive a tax they would have to pay to become neutered, as well as getting Hunt getting shut down with the JFK elimination of the Oil Depletion Allowance that was going to really take on the big oil cartel with Hunt, Rockefeller and lots more of them. JFK not only locked horns with LeMay, he was after the head of the Birchers money power too.
The Dallas Birchers were complicated, but the big money of HL Hunt controlled the show, and Hunt was Pro-Hitler, Pro-NAZI, Pro-extreme right capitalism. Hunt and his loyal followers hated JFK and actively planned to have him killed.
What we got from the deal was Communist Purges of Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and half the Americas. Operations "White Star" and "Phoenix" in Vietnam was a Stalin Purge Operation against Communists in the entire region there. Hunt also didn't like the US Jewish controlled factions that were too Communistic for him in the Northern Democratic States.
The Hunt form of Birchers was Stalinism in reverse killing Communists and not being trusting of Jewish types in Govt., but using them effectively to get away with Murder and getting what they wanted.
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Just in case folks forgot, the US never considered the UK's Royals to be trustworthy. So, when Bloomfield in Montreal was running British Intelligence factors and also DISC these same issues arise.
The UK's Atlantic Triangle Trade Route brought the US Slavery. Montreal Canada was associated with the death of Abe Lincoln.
Montreal was also associted with JFK's and MLK's deaths.
The US highly distrusted the UK in the 1930s. The UK were exploiters.
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Classified TOP SECRET----now public domain:
The US has not always been very pleased with the Evil British Empire and the US planned to attack the UK's resources:
War on the 'Red Empire': How America planned for an attack on BRITAIN in 1930 with bombing raids and chemical weapons
Emerging world power feared British reaction to its ambitions
Plan Red was code for massive war with British Empire
Top-secret document once regarded as 'most sensitive on Earth'
$57m allocated for building secret airfields on Canadian border - to launch attack on British land forces based there
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It was in 1930, that America first wrote a plan for war with 'The Red Empire' - its most dangerous empire.
But America's foe in this war was not Russia or Japan or even the burgeoning Nazi Germany.
Plan Red was code for an apocalyptic war with Britain and all her dominions.
After the 1918 Armistice and throughout the 1920s, America's historic anti-British feelings handed down from the 19th century were running dangerously high due to our owing the U.S. £9billion for their intervention in The Great War.
British feeling against America was known to be reciprocal.
By the 1930s, America saw the disturbing sight of homegrown Nazi sympathisers marching down New York's Park Avenue to converge on a pro-Hitler rally in Madison Square Garden.
Across the Atlantic, Britain had the largest empire in the world, not to mention the most powerful navy.
Against this backdrop, some Americans saw their nation emerging as a potential world leader and knew only too well how Britain had dealt with such upstarts in the past - it went to war and quashed them.
Now, America saw itself as the underdog in a similar scenario.
In 1935, America staged its largest-ever military manoeuvres, moving troops to and installing munitions dumps at Fort Drum, half an hour away from the eastern Canadian border.
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'America felt Britain had thrown it under the bus in order to stay top dog,' says Professor Mike Vlahos, of the U.S. Naval War College.
'The U.S. was forced to contemplate any measure to keep Britain at bay.'
Even Hitler thought such a war was inevitable, but astonishingly wanted Britain to win, believing that to be the best outcome for Germany, since the UK could then join his forces to attack the U.S.
'You have to remember the U.S. was born out of a revolutionary struggle against Britain in 1776,' says Dr. John H. Maurer, of the U.S. Naval War College.
Using available blueprints for this war, modern-day military and naval experts now believe the most likely outcome of such a conflict would have been a massive naval battle in the North Atlantic with very few actual deaths, but ending with Britain handing Canada over to the U.S. in order to preserve our vital trade routes.
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Weissman is an important figure in the John Birch Society planning to knock off JFK and have back up plans, if the LHO script got into trouble, as well as force them to use the LHO script.
"Weissman" was Jewish and well noticed that the JBS, especially the top players, were anti-Jewish, Pro-Hitler, Pro-Nazi. The JBS plotters needed Weissman's name in the newspapers and they played him very well.
Likewise, they needed Jewish "Rubenstein" that Bircher plotter Gen. Walker repeatedly imprinted into the minds of the Warren Commission testimoney. Walker is real chummy with the Ghelen Organization of Germany that hated the Russians and were not too happy with British Bankers that screwed them in WWII.
And if one follows the Bircher's schemes to draw in more Jewish involvement, then the Dallas Nagy and his PERMINDEX group, run by a "Big Jew", fits that of Joseph Milteer's predictions of JFK getting knocked off and blaming it on the "Big Jew". Milteer would have been big buddies with Hunt and they shared lots of common ground on Civil Rights and Communist invaders running Civil Rights, both like Hoover's beliefs as well.
The Milteer "Big Jew" was leader of the DISC and oversight of places like Redstone Arsenal, TVA, Oak Ridge and the nuclear works, and also tight with Hoover's Div 5 counterespeonage. Most likely the NAZIs of Johnson's NASA group didn't like being overseen by a Jewish guy working for British Intelligence too much, meaning the same Big Bankers that screwed over Germany. JBS's Hunt would not have liked the idea either.
The Birchers not only wanted JFK killed, then intended to leverage setting up more than just LHO, just in case. Their Jewish theme is what got them all off Free.
Later, as it was discovered the Birchers got away with their Jewish Plot, the Birchers were invaded with all kinds of highly Zionist and Pro-Jewish people beating the crap out of them. Lots of the Jewish intelligence knew exactly what happened fed back by Nagy and Bloomfield to Mandel to Rosenbaum--King of Mossad funding.
Folks in Intelligence Circles know the British and Jewish scheming has been bad for America. First via the Balfore agreement to drag the US into WWI, and then similar with games played against Hitler as the Jewish Banker system made a run for German Royalty support in WWII and dragged the US into another war. For Birchers to have this Zionist British Intelligence type running DISC was not a common sense plan, if one observes history. With the Hunt JBS Jewish plan, Hunt then owned Bloomfield.
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Classified TOP SECRET----now public domain:
The US has not always been very pleased with the Evil British Empire and the US planned to attack the UK's resources:
War on the 'Red Empire': How America planned for an attack on BRITAIN in 1930 with bombing raids and chemical weapons
Emerging world power feared British reaction to its ambitions
Plan Red was code for massive war with British Empire
Top-secret document once regarded as 'most sensitive on Earth'
$57m allocated for building secret airfields on Canadian border - to launch attack on British land forces based there
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It was in 1930, that America first wrote a plan for war with 'The Red Empire' - its most dangerous empire.
But America's foe in this war was not Russia or Japan or even the burgeoning Nazi Germany.
Plan Red was code for an apocalyptic war with Britain and all her dominions.
After the 1918 Armistice and throughout the 1920s, America's historic anti-British feelings handed down from the 19th century were running dangerously high due to our owing the U.S. £9billion for their intervention in The Great War.
British feeling against America was known to be reciprocal.
By the 1930s, America saw the disturbing sight of homegrown Nazi sympathisers marching down New York's Park Avenue to converge on a pro-Hitler rally in Madison Square Garden.
Across the Atlantic, Britain had the largest empire in the world, not to mention the most powerful navy.
Against this backdrop, some Americans saw their nation emerging as a potential world leader and knew only too well how Britain had dealt with such upstarts in the past - it went to war and quashed them.
Now, America saw itself as the underdog in a similar scenario.
In 1935, America staged its largest-ever military manoeuvres, moving troops to and installing munitions dumps at Fort Drum, half an hour away from the eastern Canadian border.
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'America felt Britain had thrown it under the bus in order to stay top dog,' says Professor Mike Vlahos, of the U.S. Naval War College.
'The U.S. was forced to contemplate any measure to keep Britain at bay.'
Even Hitler thought such a war was inevitable, but astonishingly wanted Britain to win, believing that to be the best outcome for Germany, since the UK could then join his forces to attack the U.S.
'You have to remember the U.S. was born out of a revolutionary struggle against Britain in 1776,' says Dr. John H. Maurer, of the U.S. Naval War College.
Using available blueprints for this war, modern-day military and naval experts now believe the most likely outcome of such a conflict would have been a massive naval battle in the North Atlantic with very few actual deaths, but ending with Britain handing Canada over to the U.S. in order to preserve our vital trade routes.
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Running around 5,300 views and rising,
Per the Dorothy Kilgallen story:
Jack Ruby likely gave Dorothy the keys to the City of Hate, Dallas, on the JFK hit.
Jailed Jewish Ruby wanted to get moved out of Dallas because he was afraid of the power of the Birchers there, and in particular the Pro-Hitler Pro-NAZI type named HL Hunt, the Mega-Bircher Texas Oil billionaire. One in the same with who LBJ named to Madeline Brown for New Years 1964.
Everyone knows Ruby, aka Rubenstein, was pleading to be moved to DC so he could tell his story without being "Offed" in jail, but little did he know that Earl Warren was bought and paid for by LBJ. Hunt's good ole boy General Walker consistently called Ruby as "Rubeinstein" to the Warren Commission to play into the Hunt theme to get the Jewish involvement into the news and the Warren Report's record, if needed to protect the Birchers. Dorothy was Ruby's leverage and insurance policy to force the door open, but even she and her friend were silenced.
JFK was a Bircher Hit, and likewise LHO was also a Bircher Hit. The "Brains" of the leverage for the Bircher Hits was JFK hating HL Hunt, and it was Bircher Hunt that wanted the JFK is a Communist ad placed by Jewish named person, Weissman. It was Hunt that wanted Jewish Ruby to off LHO to keep the Bircher's big secret. It was Hunt that was in partnership with Jewish Morris Jaffee and the LBJ and USAEC Uranium deals that Jaffee used to underwrite LBJ's run for VP with JFK. It was Hunt that wanted a shooter in the Dal-Tex Building to be associted with Jaffee and the USAEC Uranium deals with LBJ. It was the Pro-Hitler Pro-NAZI connected Hunt that was going to use the Jewish leverage to insure the Birchers and he got away with Murder, else they'd dump the news that shots came from Jaffee's business, Jewish Ruby was covering up for Jaffee, and Jewish Mortimer Bloomfield controlled PERMINDEX was the root of the shooters, and the Birchers would become the Heros. Dallas based Nagy's PERMINDEX hit team was for sale to the Rockefeller CIAA types and the Hunt Intelligence types. As we know from Joseph Milteer, the JFK hitters well planned to get the "Big Jew" as the killer of JFK.
Dorothy had the associations from Ruby on the Birchers game to off JFK and she had in her hands not only the power to expose LBJ in the hit planning and cover up and get out of jail free benefits to slide into the White House, but also the power to take down the richest Texas Oil man in the country and he was not about to let that happen. So, Dorothy dies like Marilyn, drugged. All the critical information taken away to cover up for the guilty parties.
Ruby is standing around worried the Birchers will dump the Jewish involvement in the JFK hit game, designed in by Hunt, and the leverage on Ruby is huge Pograms against the Jewish types that Hunt designed into the JFK hit.
That is what Dorothy discovered. "Yellow Roses" Author David Reitzes speaks to some of these issues.
Hunt then became more powerful than any president, and all the more rich to force the US into fascist control of the mega-capitalists. Hunt then ruled LBJ, Hoover, and dictated the directions of US Foreign policy and the hate toward Civil Rights.
Hunt and the Birchers successfully forced the FBI and the Warren Commission to follow the faked up script that LHO was a lone nut Communist sole killer of JFK, else the next move was expose the Communistic Jewish involvements in the JFK hit, and make the Birchers the Heros in exposing the killers of JFK. LHO was "sheep dipped" as the Pro-Castro Communist by Bircher and Minuteman Guy Bannister in New Orleans. LHO seriously screwed up in visiting Bircher loyal Oak Ridge and leaving a huge FBI hint on his visit there at the Atomic Museum. That guaranteed he'd die.
In the End, the NAZIs from Ft. Bliss got their NASA space program. The Ballistic Missle defense games would go wild, along with nuclear weapons work. Bell Helicopters made a fortune selling tons of helicopters for the Vietnam War. The Drug lords got their money and Corsican dealers were happy, and Black Communities were flooded with Drugs to counter Communism guised as Civil Rights. The US would come to be ripped apart and exploited more than ever by those that sought more power and money, using the US as their pawns. The legacy upon America left by LBJ needs to be recounted as the awful Chaos that stemmed from a full blown criminal sociopath's works on America.
Dorothy's Ruby information would not just blow the lid off the JFK assassination, it would nuke the richest man in the US and get him executed for Treason, or short of that, cause a huge war against the Jewish types as the Birchers cut loose option II.
If LHO was allowed to testify, perhaps even give his Police Statements, Bircher Option II would go into effect, and Ruby had to kill LHO on National TV to avoid that at any cost.
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A very informative thread on Dorothy being killed:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9609&st=15
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Here is another interesting article on LBJ, it is good but gets the cart before the horse in many ways for LBJ being the leader of the JFK hit.
Lyndon Johnson was in every way a robust and out of control "Sociopath" and could not tell the truth on many things, and LBJ had to be in control and the center of attention. LBJ is a Classic Sociopathic's behavior. In College he was called "Bull" for Bullxxxxter and in politics as "Lying Lyndon". This Sociopathic behavior in LBJ never really stopped and his classic example was the rigged Warren Commission. LBJ operated like the Propaganda ministry of Hitler and repeated lies so much that many came to believe them as they became so prevalent.
While many suppose that LBJ planned the JFK assassination, in a few rare moments, for LBJ, part of the truth leaked out with Madeline Brown's account on LBJ. He told her it was the Texas Oil types and the renegade CIA, which is true. It all began with the "Birchers" in Dallas, and particularly Bircher HL Hunt being the richest oil man in the US from Dallas Texas.
The Birchers were put in place via Rockefeller and depended upon a sympathy for John Birch being killed by Chinese Communists, and a play not unlike that for Jesus' death. But LBJ left out the fact these were his Texas pals and those supporting him to replace JFK and LBJ would be at the root of the JFK cover up. So, it really could not have been LHO behind the Guns of Dallas.
LBJ's ranch is in "Texas Hill Country", which is where all the Germans settled in Texas, and this likely why Pro-Hitler and Pro-NAZI HL Hunt supported LBJ. LBJ manages to make NASA out of the NAZI Rocket Brigade that found home initially at Ft. Bliss Texas, but were moved to Huntsville, Alabama because of a huge scandal on testing at White Sands that would show up as ardent NAZI's being protected in the US. However, one of the worst ardent NAZIs was Walter Dornburger and he found home in Dallas working for Bell Aerospace building rocket engines.
Keep in mind that HL Hunt and Clint Merchison were big buddies in Dallas, due to all the oil money. Merchinson was also big buddies with Alton Oschner, the man behind the scheme to kill Castro with Cancer. This was the project that Lee Harvey Oswald was working on with persons like Judyth Vary Baker, David Ferrie, Mary Sherman and so forth, and LHO was also working for Bircher Guy Banister in New Orleans.
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http://911caper.com/2010/12/27/the-lbj-cia-assassination-of-jfk/
Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with CIA Republicans to murder John Kennedy in the 1963 Coup d’Etat. (People like Clint Murchison Sr., H.L. Hunt, Nelson Rockefeller, David Rockefeller, top Nelson Rockefeller aide Henry Kissinger, George Herbert Walker Bush and Gen. Edward Lansdale all are excellent candidates for elite sponsorship.) Lyndon Johnson and Allen Dulles may very well have been co-CEOs of the JFK assassination; with the CIA in charge of the killing of JFK, and Lyndon Johnson and (his close friend and neighbor of 19 years in Washington, DC) FBI director J. Edgar Hoover in charge of the cover up.
Clint Murchison, Sr – more so than even H.L. Hunt – was a key player in the JFK assassination because of his close ties to the inner core of US intelligence (Allen Dulles, Nelson Rockefeller, John J. McCloy), close ties to Lyndon Johnson and J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI, bankers Rockefellers; Murchison was even friends with key Kennedy-hater mafia godfather Carlos Marcellos of New Orleans. Not only that, Murchison, Sr. was a patient and partner of Dr. Alton Oschner, the former president of the American Cancer Society and who ran covert cancer research for the CIA. Oschner, likewise was a Kennedy-hater. John Simkin: “One of Ochsner’s friends described him as being ‘like a fundamentalist preacher in the sense that the fight against communism was the only subject that he would talk about, or even allow you to talk about, in his presence.’”
When JFK was slaughtered, Russia’s Khrushchev was literally crying, fearing nuclear war. Cuba’s Castro feared a US invasion and gave an impressive speech the next day deconstructing the CIA’s deception provocation for war. Meanwhile at Clint Murchison’s home, the family maid May Newman describes the scene: “The mood in the Murchison family home was very joyous and happy. For a whole week after like champagne and caviar flowed, every day of the week. But I was the only one in that household at that time that uh felt any grief for his assassination.”
The Warren Commission should have really been called the “Allen Dulles Commission” because he controlled it and made it the farce that it was. Dulles was probably an elite sponsor (i.e. murderer), as well as certainly Lyndon Johnson. The 3 hardcore cover up artists on the Warren Commission were the 3 Council on Foreign Relations members: Allen Dulles (president CFR 1946-50), John J. McCloy (then chairman of the CFR 1953-1970) and Gerald Ford (CFR member, later president). John J. McCloy was a Rockefeller man, former head of Chase Manhattan bank, and very deep US intelligence since the OSS days. John J. McCloy’s nickname was “Chairman of the American Establishment,” and he mixed at the highest levels of business, intelligence and he was close to the Kennedy-hating Texas business elite. Cover up artist Gerald Ford was secretly reporting to Hoover and the FBI what the Warren Commission was doing. In 1970, Newsweek called Gerald Ford “the CIA’s man” in Congress. The CFR especially 40 years ago, was heavily Rockefeller influenced and it top players were deep CIA.
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And a good many within the CIA itself knew exactly who started the hit on JFK, it stemmed first from the Birchers being all upset on Communism and this was funded by Rockefeller. This pandering to the Birchers continued until the CIA tapped these conversations. These conversations then end up in the hands of a leading John Birch Society leader named Larry McDonald, who then gets shot down in a plane by the Russians. This leaves little to chance that the CIA knew exactly who to trust with the hard evidence of those associated with the JFK assassination. The Birchers were the ring leaders for the JFK assassination.
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From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:
"The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA's counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK ... During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, "What group were these tapes identifying?" Parker replied: "Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, JOHNSON of Texas, GEORGE BUSH, and J. Edgar Hoover." I asked, "What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?"
I don't have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to [Congressman] Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, [J. Edgar] Hoover, where [Nelson] Rockefeller asks, "Are we going to have any problems?" And he said, "No, we aren't going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we'll do our job." There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn't realize that his phone has been tapped. Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, p. 638-639].
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One of the few rare moments LBJ had not been prepared to comment and too much truth leaked out to Madeline Brown on who did JFK.
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Madeleine Duncan Brown was the most beloved mistress of Lyndon Johnson for 21 years from 1948 until 1969. Madeleine is one of the truth tellers and keys to understanding the ugly reality of the JFK assassination. She had a son Steven Mark with Lyndon in 1950. Madeleine lived from 1925 to 2002 and was madly in love with Lyndon Johnson when she wrote the book Texas in the Morning 24 years after the death of LBJ. She makes some BLOCKBUSTER revelations in this book, such as:
In the night of 12/31/63 morning of January 1, 1964, just 6 weeks after the JFK assassination, Madeleine asked Lyndon Johnson:
"Lyndon, you know that a lot of people believe you had something to do with President Kennedy's assassination."
He shot up out of bed and began pacing and waving his arms screaming like a madman. I was scared!
"That's bull___, Madeleine Brown!" he yelled. "Don't tell me you believe that ____!"
"Of course not." I answered meekly, trying to cool his temper.
"It was Texas oil and those %$%& renegade intelligence bastards in Washington." [said Lyndon Johnson, the new president; Texas in the Morning, p. 189] [LBJ told this to Madeleine on 1/1/64 in the locally famous Driskill Hotel, Austin, TX in room #254. They spent New Year's Eve `64 together here (12/31/63). Room #254 was the room that LBJ used to have rendevous' with his girlfriends - today it is known as the LBJ Room, and rents for $600-1,000/night as a Presidential suite at the Driskill; located on the Mezzanine Level.]
What Lyndon Johnson did not tell Madeleine was that Texas Oil (read H.L. Hunt, Clint Murchison, Sr) and the CIA (especially the Gen Ed Lansdale, Operation 40/Operation Mongoose crowd) were murdering John Kennedy with the full knowledge, approval and participation of VP Lyndon Johnson.
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Looks like a sudden jump in the View Rate, got 5,160 now, and looking like heading for 200 views a day rate.
Caroline Kennedy's release of the Jackie Tapes reveal how much the Kennedys feared corrupt LBJ getting elected President, but the miscalculated how corrupt LBJ and his supporters could operate and LBJ could be ushered in by JFK's death.
The Kennedys had in the works a massive Expose on LBJ with LIFE Magazine that was going to sink LBJ and he would be off the JFK 64 ticket and pretty well sunk as far a public office. This LBJ Expose was only shut down via the Zapruder Film interest on the JFK assassination pre-empting the LBJ story.
Interestingly, the Zapruder Film was done by a Jewish fella who had business and office in the Dal-Tex building, where the Hunt and Jaffe uranium business was housed, and Jaffee appears to have owned the Dallas-Textiles building.
Instead the Corrupt Texans put LBJ in the President's seat, and they gained more control over Foreign Policy than the President because Hunt basically "Owned" LBJ and Hoover. They became the Stalin version of Capitalistic purge killers in the US, and moved into foreign affairs doing the same killing methods of Stalin's Purges.
So, then JFK's worst prognostications came true. LBJ gave them the war they wanted and expansion of IndoChina, rather than making WWIII with Cuba and the Russians. This went on the make massive CIA campaigns like "White Star" and "Phonex" that went into Laos and there other former French Colonies that went Communist and started killing anyone and everyone connected with any support for the Vietnam struggle for power.
It was like they adopted the killing business of Stalin in his big Purges of Russia. But this was the legacy that LBJ wrought for America and after the world caught on to the CIA killers, America's world reputation went to Hell quickly.
Vietnam made lots of money for Bell Helicopters (Dornburger's and Paine's interests), lots of money for KBR Kellogg/Brown/Root (the main construction company in Vietnam), and lots for making guns and bullets, and the Cold War kept up with more Ballistic Intercontinetal Missiles and MIV nuclear warhead production.
LBJ got away with the Aircraft contracts and kick-backs, and drugs flooded America's Innter Cities. LBJ remained so paranoid that he published a White House phone number in the telephone directory, so he could get traces on people that might know too much. Likewise, the Hunt gang got more and more paranoid that they had to run wire taps for fear one of their former FBI agents might trip over the real ring leaders on the JFK hit.
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http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwagenvoord.htm
At the time of the assassination of the president, Lyndon B. Johnson was being drawn into political scandals involving Fred Korth, Billie Sol Estes and Bobby Baker. According to James Wagenvoord, the magazine was working on an article that would have revealed Johnson's corrupt activities. "Beginning in later summer 1963 the magazine, based upon information fed from Bobby Kennedy and the Justice Department, had been developing a major news break piece concerning Johnson and Bobby Baker. On publication Johnson would have been finished and off the 1964 ticket (reason the material was fed to us) and would probably have been facing prison time. At the time LIFE magazine was arguably the most important general news source in the US. The top management of Time Inc. was closely allied with the USA's various intelligence agencies and we were used after by the Kennedy Justice Department as a conduit to the public."
The fact that it was Robert Kennedy who was giving this information to Life Magazine suggests that John F. Kennedy intended to drop Lyndon B. Johnson as his vice-president. This is supported by Evelyn Lincoln, Kennedy's secretary. In her book, Kennedy and Johnson (1968) she claimed that in November, 1963, Kennedy decided that because of the emerging Bobby Baker scandal he was going to drop Johnson as his running mate in the 1964 election. Kennedy told Lincoln that he was going to replace Johnson with Terry Sanford.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Howard_Hunt
Eventually it appeared in the American press, though some assumed the "Mr. Hunt" to whom it was addressed to be the oil magnate H. L. Hunt, whom the Kremlin first suspected of plotting the assassination.[48]
48.^ [The Mitrokhin Archive, pp. 293-299]
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It appears that collecting all the Bircher issues into one thread area is forming an overwhelming case for the Birchers being the Ring Leaders on the JFK hit.
Ummmm? NO! Inquiring minds want to know, but I think your still way off on the Birchers, Mormons, Hitler, DuPont's, Jews, Afghans or anyone else your going to conjure up. Seriously Mr. Philhps! UGH!!!!!
Dear Mr. Hunt,I would like information concerding [sic] my position.
I am asking only for information. I am suggesting that we discuss the
matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else.
Thank You,
Lee Harvy [sic]
Oswald*
This letter is still under investigation as to whether its a hoax or not. Some beleive that this letter was not written by LHO.
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That is 5,028 views now. You have misleading and inaccurate assertions with the DuPonts, Afghans, and such----those are your attempts to mislead and invent that which is not. Even the Mormons left the Birchers, as they became so extreme right and not representative of Constitutional Values.
Seriously, most don't buy your story and the best you have is a little book of names.
There is lots to support the Dallas Birchers, while your theme has nill support. Garrison and the Kennedys themselves support this them on the Birchers (Loaded with Big Oil Types) and even Ms. Lincoln's belief.
I do think your theme is about as distracting as the James Files story from the ponographer in Mossad Office Land. IMHO
I listened, watched, and still not impressed with your little black book.
You can't spell well, can't turn up data for your case, and I doubt there will come a book of substance. You are speculating for your theme way out on the thinnest of air.
The JFK Assassination was just solved before your very eyes. And the extended little black book theme disintegrated before your eyes.
So, keep acting disgruntled that nobody is impressed with your research efforts or your theme.
You just got put on Blocked from this end. Go play with your only EF fan, who doesn't support you either, making reference to "Phony" plots.
I won't be looking at your stuff any longer, zero support from this end, and will be seeking distancing.
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Jack Ruby likely gave Dorothy the keys to the City of Hate, Dallas, on the JFK hit.
Jewish Ruby wanted to get moved out of Dallas because he was afraid of the power of the Birchers there, and in particular the Pro-Hitler NAZI type named HL Hunt, the Mega-Bircher billionaire.
Everyone knows Ruby, aka Rubenstein, was pleading to be moved to DC so he could tell his story without being offed in jail, but little did he know that Warren was bought and paid for by LBJ. Hunt good ole boy General Walker consistently called Ruby as Rubeinstein to play into the Hunt theme to get the Jewish involvement into the news and the Warren Report's record, if needed to protect the Birchers. Dorothy was Ruby's leverage and insurance policy to force the door open, but even she and her friend were silenced.
JFK was a Bircher Hit, and likewise LHO was also a Bircher Hit. The "Brains" of the leverage for the Bircher Hits was JFK hating HL Hunt, and it was Hunt that wanted the JFK is a Communist ad placed by Jewish named person, Weissman. It was Hunt that wanted Jewish Ruby to off LHO to keep the Bircher's big secret. It was Hunt that was in partnership with Jewish Morris Jaffee and the LBJ and USAEC Uranium deals that Jaffee used to underwrite LBJ's run for VP with JFK. It was Hunt that wanted a shooter in the Dal-Tex Building to be associted with Jaffee and the USAEC Uranium deals with LBJ. It was the Pro-Hitler NAZI connected Hunt that was going to use the Jewish leverage to insure the Birchers and he got away with Murder, else they'd dump the news that shots came from Jaffee's business, Jewish Ruby was covering up for Jaffee, and Jewish Mortimer Bloomfield controlled PERMINDEX was the root of the shooters, and the Birchers would become the Heros. Dallas based Nagy's PERMINDEX hit team was for sale to the Rockefeller CIAA types and the Hunt Intelligence types. As we know from Joseph Milteer, the JFK hitters well planned to get the "Big Jew" as the killer of JFK.
Dorothy had the associations from Ruby on the Birchers game to off JFK and she had in her hands not only the power to expose LBJ in the hit planning and get out of jail free benefits to slide into the White House, but also the power to take down the richest man in the country and he was not about to let that happen. So, Dorothy dies like Marilyn, drugged. All the critical information taken away to cover up for the guilty parties.
Ruby is standing around worried the Birchers will dump the Jewish involvement in the JFK hit game, designed in by Hunt, and the leverage on Ruby is huge Pograms against the Jewish types that Hunt designed into the JFK hit.
That is what Dorothy discovered. "Yellow Roses" Author David Reitzes speaks to some of these issues.
Hunt then became more powerful than any president, and all the more rich to force the US into fascist control of the mega-capitalists. Hunt then ruled LBJ, Hoover, and dictated the directions of US Foreign policy and the hate toward Civil Rights.
Hunt and the Birchers successfully forced the FBI and the Warren Commission to follow the faked up script that LHO was a lone nut Communist sole killer of JFK, else the next move was expose the Communistic Jewish involvements in the JFK hit, and make the Birchers the Heros in exposing the killers of JFK. LHO was sheep dipped as the Pro-Castro Communist by Bircher and Minuteman Guy Bannister in New Orleans. LHO seriously screwed up in visiting Bircher loyal Oak Ridge and leaving a huge FBI hint on his visit there at the Atomic Museum. That guaranteed he'd die.
In the End, the NAZIs from Ft. Bliss got their NASA space program. The Ballistic Missle defense games would go wild, along with nuclear weapons work. Bell Helicopters made a fortune selling tons of helicopters for the Vietnam War. The Drug lords got their money and Corsican dealers were happy, and Black Communities were flooded with Drugs to counter Communism guised as Civil Rights. The US would come to be ripped apart and exploited more than ever by those that sought more power and money, using the US as their pawns. The LBJ legacy on America stems from the Chaos that a high level sociopathic LBJ did for power and control.
Dorothy's Ruby information would not just blow the lid off the JFK assassination, it would nuke the richest man in the US and get him executed for Treason, or short of that, cause a huge war against the Jewish types as the Birchers cut loose option II.
If LHO was allowed to testify, perhaps even give his Police Statements, Bircher Option II would go into effect, and Ruby had to kill LHO on National TV to avoid that at any cost.
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http://www.amaranthpublishing.com/yellow.htm
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Looks like the thread is zooming past 5,000 views and the rate better than a hundred a day.
It appears that collecting all the Bircher issues into one thread area is forming an overwhelming case for the Birchers being the Ring Leaders on the JFK hit.
OK, We have looked at one of the main Bircher "Mouthpieces", Revilo Oliver. Now, lets take a look at the NAZI supporting Texas Billionair "Billionaire Money Bags" for the Birchers, HL Hunt. Hunt appears one of the NAZI types that likes to bring in the Jewish types for the JFK hit and LHO hit. Yeah, LHO was a Bircher hit too, an informant on the dirty out of control Bircher gang intent on killing JFK.
Hunt would be using Ruby to knock off LHO and also using Nagy's big International hit squad, PERMINDEX run by Bloomfield, to kill JFK. Dallas based Nagy's PERMINDEX services were for sale to the CIA, as well as to these Hunt and Rockefeller CIAA and Intelligence efforts. Knowledge of this led to Joseph Milteer's bragging openly on the JFK hit before it happened and fingering the "Big Jew" as being responsible.
"Mega-Bircher" HL Hunt and his oil billions link up to Rockefellers of Standard Oil that set up the JBS and lots of the other big US oil types, many of whom are Birchers also. That aligns well with the Jackie and RFK "Big Oil" theme on who killed John, but they didn't say Birchers. However, Ms. Lincoln was not afraid to point at the Birchers in her list of suspects written on AF1 coming back from Dallas with the Dead President. It was likely her first entry and top suspect, as the ink color was different for the John Birch listing.
One of the better writings to expose the Hunt's billionare games is "Yellow Roses" by David Reitzes and parts of his writing is online these days, at:
http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/JA/DR.html
http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/JA/DR/.dr01.html
But, lets check out this page on the topic of the Hunts below. Keep in mind the Hunts put together a large security and intelligence network and also tried some killers on demand from General Walker, also a Bircher. Hunt, Walker, Rousellot are on record for plotting to kill JFK as Birchers.
LHO interestingly appears concerned for his position in Dallas and writes to one of the Hunts. Now why would LHO be asking of his position with the Bircher crowd out of control in Dallas and LHO reporting the Bircher crooks to the FBI.
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http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/JA/DR/.dr14.html
A decade after LBJ's death, a friend of Estes, a federal marshal, talked
Estes into coming forward with what he knew about Henry Marshall's death.
Then on August 9, 1984, following Billie Sol Estes' grand jury testimony
regarding Mac Wallace's murder of Henry Marshall, Estes' attorney,
Douglas Caddy sent a letter to Stephen S. Trott, Assistant Attorney
General, Criminal Division, of the US Department of Justice. The letter
reads:
Dear Mr. Trott:
My client, Mr. Estes, has authorized me to make this reply to your letter
of May 29, 1984.
Mr. Estes was a member of a four-member group, headed by Lyndon Johnson,
which committed criminal acts in Texas in the 1960s. The other two,
besides Mr. Estes and LBJ, were [White House aide] Cliff Carter and Mac
Wallace. Mr. Estes is willing to disclose his knowledge concerning the
following criminal offenses:
1. Murders
1. The killing of Henry Marshall 2. The killing of George Krutilek 3. The
killing of Ike Rogers and his secretary 4. The killing of Harold Orr 5.
The killing of Coleman Wade 6. The killing of Josefa Johnson 7. The
killing of John Kinser 8. The killing of President J. F. Kennedy
Mr. Estes is willing to testify that LBJ ordered these killings, and that
he transmitted his orders through Cliff Carter to Mac Wallace, who
executed the murders. In the cases of murders nos. 1-7, Mr. Estes'
knowledge of the precise details concerning the way the murders were
executed stems from conversations he had shortly after each event with
Cliff Carter and Mac Wallace.
In addition, a short time after Mr. Estes was released from prison in
1971, he met with Cliff Carter and they reminisced about what had
occurred in the past, including the murders. During their conversation,
Carter orally compiled a list of 17 murders which had been committed,
some of which Mr. Estes was unfamiliar [sic]. A living witness was
present at that meeting and should be willing to testify about it. He is
Kyle Brown, recently of Houston and now living in Brady, Texas. . . .
It continues for several more pages, detailing many other crimes Estes
had knowledge of, including illegal cotton allotments and payoffs.
Estes' testimony was conditional on certain demands, including immunity
from prosecution, a full pardon, and absolution of past income tax debts.
Talks between the Justice Department and Billie Sol Estes broke off later
in the year.
On June 19, 1992, US Marshall Clint Peoples told a friend of his that he
had documentary evidence that Mac Wallace was one of the shooters in
Dealey Plaza. On June 23rd, Peoples, a former Texas Ranger and a onetime
friend of Henry Marshall, was killed in a mysterious one-car automobile
accident in Texas.
Investigator Harrison Livingstone spoke to Kyle Brown, named as a witness
in the above letter, at length in 1993, and Brown backed up everything
Livingstone had heard. Kyle Brown, to this day, is one of Billie Sol
Estes' closest friends.
On March 12, 1998, a 1951 fingerprint of Malcolm "Mac" Wallace was
positively matched with a copy of a fingerprint labeled "Unknown," a
fresh print lifted on November 22, 1963, from a carton by the southeast
sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository. This carton was
labeled "Box A," and also contained several fingerprints identified as
those of Lee Harvey Oswald. The identification was made by A. Nathan
Darby, a Certified Latent Print Examiner with several decades experience.
Mr. Darby is a member of the International Association of Identifiers,
and was chosen to help design the Eastman Kodak Miracode System of
transmitting fingerprints between law enforcement agencies. Mr. Darby
signed a sworn, notarized affidavit stating that he was able to affirm a
14-point match between the "Unknown" fingerprint and the "blind" print
card submitted to him, which was the 1951 print of Mac Wallace's. US law
requires a 12-point match for legal identification; Darby's match is more
conclusive than the legal minimum. As cardboard does not retain
fingerprints for long, it is certain that Malcolm E. Wallace left his
fingerprint on "Box A" on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book
Depository early on November 22, 1963.
The FBI currently has custody of the Mac Wallace fingerprint, Nathan
Darby's sworn affidavit, and several hundred pages of corroborative
evidence developed by Texas research group which is currently remaining
anonymous. Brown has received permission from the group to release the
name of one eyewitness to some of the covert business dealings between
Lyndon B. Johnson and members of the assassination plot. This is Barr
McClellan of Houston, Texas, onetime attorney for the law firm led by Ed
Clark, which had represented Lyndon B. Johnson in the 1960s.
Biographer Robert A. Caro, author of two volumes to date in the
groundbreaking series *The Years of Lyndon Johnson* writes:
"Because Lyndon Johnson would have been only sixty-seven years old, when,
in 1975, I began my research on his life, most of his contemporaries were
still alive. This made it possible to find out what he was like while he
was growing up from the best possible sources: those who grew up with
him. And it also makes it possible to clear away . . . the misinformation
that has surrounded the early life of Lyndon Johnson.
"The extent of this misinformation, the reason it exists, and the
importance of clearing it away, so that the character of our thirty-sixth
President will become clear, became evident to me while researching his
years at college. The articles and biographies which have dealt with
these years have in general portrayed Johnson as a popular, even
charismatic, campus figure. The oral histories of his classmates
collected by the Lyndon Johnson library portray him in the same light. In
the early stages of my research, I had no reason to think there was
anything more to the story. Indeed, when one of the first of his
classmates whom I interviewed, Henry Kyle, told me a very different
story, I believed that because Kyle had been defeated by Johnson in a
number of campus encounters, I was hearing only a prejudiced account by
an embittered man, and did not even bother typing up my notes of the
interview.
"Then, however, I began to interview other classmates. . . . When I found
them, I was told the old anecdotes that had become part of the Lyndon
Johnson myth. But over and over again, the man or woman I was
interviewing would tell me that these anecdotes were not the whole story.
When I asked for the rest of it, they wouldn't tell it. A man named
Vernon Whiteside could have told me, they said, but, they said, they had
heard that Vernon Whiteside was dead.
"One day, however, I phoned Horace Richards, a Johnson classmate who
lived in Corpus Christi, to arrange to drive down from Austin to see him.
Richards said that there was indeed a great deal more to the story of
Lyndon Johnson at college than had been told, but that he wouldn't tell
me unless Vernon Whiteside would too. But Whiteside was dead, I said.
"Hell, no," Richards said. "He's not dead. He was here visiting me just
last week.
". . . I traced Mr. Whiteside to a mobile home court in Highland Beach,
Florida . . . flew there to see him, and from him heard for the first
time many of the character-revealing episodes of Lyndon Johnson's years
at San Marcos at which the other classmates had hinted. And when I
returned to these classmates, they confirmed Whiteside's account;
Richards himself added many details. And now they told additional
stories, not at all like the ones they had told before . . . [a]nd the
portrait of Lyndon Johnson at San Marcos that finally emerged was very
different from the one previously sketched.
"The experience was repeated again and again during the seven years spent
on this book. Of the hundreds of persons interviewed, scores had never
been interviewed before, and the information these persons have provided
-- in some cases even though they were quite worried about providing it
-- has helped form a portrait of Lyndon Johnson substantially different
from all previous portraits" (Caro, The Years of Lyndon Johnson: The Path
to Power, 769-70).
This passage demonstrates the power that Lyndon Baines Johnson wielded
over people; even people who hadn't seen him in fifty years; even people
who knew nothing of him but his childhood and teen years -- people who
knew no secrets of state, no political ammunition, little more than
gossip; people who continued to fear him and "his people" even after
Lyndon Baines Johnson, in fact, was dead.
Caro continues:
"Prior to his entrance into campus politics at San Marcos, 'no one,' as
another student recalled, 'cared about campus politics.' Elections -- for
class offices or the Student Council -- were casual affairs. But Johnson
saw in those elections an opportunity to obtain a measure of control,
small but pivotal, over the fate of some of his fellow students. At this
'poor boys' school,' a diploma was for many students the only hope of
escape from a life of poverty and brutal physical toil on their families'
impoverished ranches and farms, and in the Depression, campus jobs, with
their tiny cash stipends, represented the only means by which these young
men could stay in school and obtain their diplomas. Johnson saw a method
by which the victors in campus politics could obtain authority to
dispense those jobs. And to obtain this power that no one else had
focused on, he did what no one else on the sleepy campus had done:
created, out of a small social club, a disciplined and secret political
organization. And when, because of his personal unpopularity, the club
could not, despite his organizing, win elections, he taught
unsophisticated farm boys how to steal elections (and how to win them by
other methods: 'blackmailing' a popular rival woman candidate out of a
race over a meaningless indiscretion, for example; 'things we would never
have dreamt of if it hadn't been for Lyndon'). College Hill's pattern was
repeated on Capitol Hill in 1933 and 1934. The 'Little Congress' of
congressional aides was a social organization. But Lyndon Johnson saw in
its presidency a means of entree to men of power. Again there were
repeated complaints, this time from fellow Little Congress members, that
he had 'stolen' elections ('Everyone said it: "In that last election that
damn Lyndon Johnson stole some votes again"'). When, in 1933 and 1934,
Johnson was accused of 'stuffing' a ballot box, he was not yet
represented by Abe Fortas, and his accusers succeeded in accomplishing
what Fortas prevented Johnson's 1948 accusers from accomplishing: opening
the ballot box. When the Little Congress box was opened, it was found
that the accusations against Johnson were true. Again, as at college,
what he had done was unprecedented: no one had ever stuffed a Little
Congress ballot box before. (And, perhaps no one would ever stuff one
again, for after his departure the organization quickly reverted to its
easygoing social role; 'My God, who would cheat to win the presidency of
something like the Little Congress?') In his first campaign for the
Senate, he stole thousands of votes, and when they proved insufficient
('He ['Pappy' O'Daniel] stole more votes than we did, that's all'), his
reaction was to try to steal still more, and his failure in this attempt
was due only to [an] irredeemable tactical error, not to any change in
the pattern . . . At each previous stage of his career, then, Johnson's
election tactics had made clear not only a hunger for power but a
willingness to take (within the context of American politics, of course;
the coups and assassinations that characterize other countries' politics
were not and never would be included in his calculations) whatever
political steps would be necessary to satisfy that hunger. Over and over
again, he had stretched the rules of the game to their breaking point,
and then had broken them, pushing deeper into the ethical and legal
no-man's-land beyond them than others were willing to go. Now, in 1948 .
. . he was operating beyond the loosest boundaries of prevailing custom
and political morality. What had been demonstrated before was now
underlined in the strongest terms: in the context of the politics that
was his life, Lyndon Johnson would do whatever was necessary to win. Even
in terms of the most elastic political morality -- the political morality
of 1940s Texas -- his methods were amoral" (Robert A. Caro, *The Years of
Lyndon Johnson: Means of Ascent,* 397-98).
Lyndon Johnson could not have acted without the assistance of his best
friend, the most powerful law enforcement agent in the world, J. Edgar
Hoover, Director of the FBI. An operation such as this could not be run
without enormous cash reserves, businesses in which to launder funds and
transmit orders, to set up trusts for beneficiaries at a later date; the
kind of money that H. L. Hunt had; the kind of money that Clint Murchison
had. In 1963, oilman H. L. Hunt was literally one of the richest men in
world, estimated to be worth five billion dollars.
H. L. Hunt had the kind of money that could buy trucks, jeeps, guns, and
explosives for the Minutemen and the John Birch Society; could fund a
radio station making daily broadcasts interpreting the day's news in
light of the terrible "Communist threat" in the inner corridors of
Washington; could build munitions plants and helicopter factories just in
case a war should suddenly erupt; could keep active men with valuable
connections such as Sergio Arcacha Smith and Jack Ruby on the payroll.
Hunt and his sons had a private intelligence agency up and running to
combat the Communist threat, having hired intelligence agents away from
their government positions to charge for their loyalties by the hour.
Their man in charge was Paul Rothermel, an ex-FBI agent presiding over a
host of ex-FBI agents, and ex-CIA assets could also be counted on to keep
their mouths shut. Hunt's top aide for many years, John Curington,
eventually left the organization, fed up playing cops and robbers without
a badge.
He told Harrison Livingstone that not only was Lamar Hunt chatting with
Ruby on November 21st, but shortly after Oswald's arrest, H. L. himself
requested that Curington personally take a stroll over to DPD
headquarters to see how tight security was around the suspect. He added
that Curington should make a point to check out the elevators they were
using to transport the prisoner. Curington strode into the building, rang
for the elevator, and when the doors opened he found himself face to face
with Lee Harvey Oswald. Oswald's police escort introduced the two men
(Livingstone, *Killing the Truth,* 502). His employer was pleased to
learn that security around the prisoner was rather lax.
Curington saw Marina Oswald depart from a private meeting with H. L. Hunt
one evening in December 1963. "Hunt asked me to lock everything up and
prevent anyone from coming upstairs on the elevator. As I waited, an
elevator came down and Marina Oswald came out of it, left the building,
and got into a waiting car. I'm absolutely sure it was her" (Livingstone,
501). Marina first denied the story, but has conceded that she met with
many people she didn't know after the assassination.
Eventually, the Hunt "security" agency became so intricate that the
billionaire's billionaire son, Nelson Bunker Hunt, would feel the need to
institute his own counterintelligence program to weed out intruders and
turncoats; it would cost him. Paul Rothermel, the former G-man, went
public with incredible charges against the younger Hunt, whom, Rothermel
charged, asked him to help start a private army to be called the American
Volunteer Group (AVG), drawn from the ranks of General Edwin A. Walker's
John Bircher brigade. Hunt's goal was a top-secret paramilitary based in
southern California that could be called upon to act when Communists and
liberals got too pushy. Like father, like son; just before November 22,
1963, H. L. Hunt told a gathering of compatriots that the only way to get
Communists like the Kennedy brothers out of office is to "shoot 'em out."
When Rothermel refused to participate, he found himself spied upon and
his phone tapped. Nelson Bunker Hunt would eventually plead guilty "to a
misdemeanor stemming from a massive wiretapping conspiracy in which he'd
hired a Houston detective agency to eavesdrop upon his own security
force, a force composed largely of former FBI agents" (Jim Hougan,
*Spooks,* 74-75). Hunt denied the AVG charge, however, journalist Peter
Noyes confirmed that the AVG was up and running for at least a brief
period of time. His sources were a number of active California Minutemen,
a group which had been tapped by the Hunts for recruits, but who found
the Hunts a bit extreme even for their taste (Hougan, 75).
H. L. Hunt once wrote a novel called Alpaca, about a utopian democracy
that based citizenship rights on property ownership and educational
qualifications. (Hunt dropped out of school in the sixth grade.)
Elections in this best of all possible worlds were determined by the
amount of taxes one paid; the more you pay, the more votes you get.
A source requesting anonymity told Harry Livingstone, "H. L. had every
lawyer in Dallas doing something for him. He'd give them all a little
piece of the pie, and nobody could find a lawyer big enough to stand up
to him." Madeleine Brown - Lyndon B. Johnson's longtime mistress and
mother of his illegitimate son Steven, as well as a personal friend of
the Hunts for a number of years -- said, "If they didn't play his game,
they went in and took it. They pulled no punches. The had no morals. They
had no rules. It was strictly power. They were absolutely ruthless"
(Livingstone, 496-7). Madeleine has come to regret merely standing by and
watching.
John Curington told Livingstone that H. L. Hunt had a personal line to
Lyndon Johnson through their mutual friend Boothe Mooney (Livingstone,
500).
If Hunt and LBJ were birds of a feather, Johnson also flocked around his
close friend J. Edgar Hoover's generous benefactors, the family of oil
baron Clint Murchison. Murchison is now well known to have hosted the FBI
director for any number of paid vacations both to his home and private
race track as well as other glamorous jaunts, often hobnobbing with the
gangsters the FBI would presumably be prosecuting were they not devoting
all their manpower to fighting the Red Menace. Hoover had been arguably
the most powerful man in Washington for some decades, and it was common
knowledge that JFK was going to put him out to pasture following the 1964
election, just as Kennedy was going to do to Lyndon.
Lyndon's scandalous wheeling and dealing with Bobby Baker from his Senate
days were catching up with him even faster than the Billie Sol Estes
affair, and it would bring the whole Democratic party down with it if the
key players weren't thrown overboard. Estes and to a lesser degree
Johnson were the primary benefactors of their doings, while everyone on
Capitol Hill knew Bobby Baker, and every lawyer, lobbyist, and lawmaker
wanted a piece of the action -- and Bobby was LBJ's boy. The dealings had
been too many to keep quiet with a quick "Texas suicide." LBJ wasn't just
looking at the end of his political career; he was looking at hard time.
Within 24 hours of the assassination, Lyndon Johnson called Captain Will
Fritz, chief of the Homicide Bureau of the DPD, and personally informed
him he had his man in custody and the investigation was over. Johnson
aide Cliff Carter phoned the same message to Texas DA Waggoner Carr, who
was none too pleased to receive it. When Lee Harvey Oswald lay dying in
Parkland Hospital on November 24, 1963, Dr. Charles Crenshaw was
astonished to pick up a phone call and find himself talking to the
President of the United States, who said he wanted a confession from
Oswald; he didn't get it. Johnson created the Warren Commission, which
answered only to him, thereby preempting the numerous proposed
investigations in Texas and on Capitol Hill. Then Johnson locked up as
much of the evidence as he could, all with the help of J. Edgar Hoover,
who buried or destroyed any evidence that threatened to upset the apple
cart; the Hunts and Murchisons and their enormous cash and influence, and
certain rogue elements of the intelligence community who resented Kennedy
for both his foreign policy and his attempts to curb the CIA's massive
and wholly unconstitutional power.
The intelligence community has long hidden in the shadows of the
assassination, between the more obvious suspects as well as the "false
sponsors" they intentionally drew into the operation to shield themselves
-- Castro, the anti-Castro Cubans, the Mob. That was their most important
contribution; though they routinely interfaced with the Texans and
undoubtedly played a role in the events of Dealey Plaza, their most
valuable asset was the one which was needed most: the unfathomed
capability of certain of their ranks to confuse and deceive. More than
getaway planes and unmarked cars, the plotters needed smoke and mirrors
to blind and mislead, to confuse and disorient. They had planned for such
a need; they had masters of propaganda at key points, allies in the
press, and for their greatest trick, a certain "Harvey" rabbit to produce
from a hat and then make disappear on cue.
It may be pure conjecture, but given Hunt's organizational ties and
unholy alliances, his personal spies and private law, one wonders if it
doesn't strain credulity to the breaking point to think there wasn't
someone else we know to have been in Dallas who couldn't have somehow
stumbled into this snakepit; someone who Hunt's chief staff assistant
John Curington admitted he "had run across . . . before the
assassination" (Dick Russell, "The Man Who Knew Too Much,* 317). It was
John Curington who turned over a previously unknown slip of paper to the
FBI, a brief note the handwriting of which has been authenticated by
numerous independent handwriting analysts. The only part of the note
disputed is the signature, which appears to be misspelled. But the
purported author was not immune to misspelling his own name, even on a
very deliberately executed, typewritten document (CE 908, 18 H 97); see
Reitzes, "Alik and Marina."
Nov. 8, 1963
Dear Mr. Hunt,
I would like information concerding [sic] my position.
I am asking only for information. I am suggesting that we discuss the
matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else.
Thank You,
Lee Harvy [sic]
Oswald*
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Why does government have to be 100% Capitalism or 100% Communist or 100% Socialism. As far as the Communists go I don't endorse them and I don't want them in my country. But maybe some kind of blend of Capitalism and Socialism. There are always going to be unfortunates in the world, handicapped people, schizophrenics who live on the street. We can't kill these people as Hitler would, but we can help them with various programs. Why don't we realize this and help these people -- not illegal immigrants -- but the true people of America? And bring back our soldiers from overseas. And spend our money on America. America should come first. People seem to forget we have a Constitution.
Kathy C
Hello Ms. Kathy,
I think your insights are on target for a well run and not exploited American People, where the Govt. isn't high jacked from the Jeffersonian and Constitutional Values everyone wanted. The US fought their war of Independence because they didn't want to be a Colony and exploited by England's Royalist Power. But due to the corruption of Capitalism, the US is again under the exploitation of the London Bankers, the Masons that are loyal to London (like Ben Frankin), and the US is exploited to the point of near economic slavery to promote these wars for power and control over the world for these overbearing International Crooks. Some claim they are benovolent, but they seem to well miss that mark as they seem to fit the issues for the Beast of Revelations.
Communism is the extreme left form of Socialism, and seems to come to that extreme when the capitalists attempt to subvert Socialism. Communism typically bans religion so that can't be used to promote many of the games for capitalism that were instilled in religion since the times of Rome, King James, and so forth to sanitize the issue that the Essene and Jesus folks were Socialistic. Communism makes all things the property of the state, so you can't have greedy capitalists trying to amass great wealth and power to take over the Govt. Communism tends to be one ditch, and extreme right capitalism the other ditch, and the game is to steer Govt. by and for the People down the middle of the road.
There are things that work better under socilistic control and other things that work better under limited capitalist methods. And really, there needs to be some dynamic regulation of either method's uses to keep matters going down the center of the road and not in the ditch of extreme fascist capitalism oligarchic controls, and away from the other ditch of Communism. It takes an educated public to understand this middle of the road approach to have a rising tide lift all boats, as JFK would say. IF extreme right capitalism is held in check, there would likely be no need for the other extreme called Communism. Middle of the road streering comes from an educated America that understands the need to beat back fascism in wealth, and not become the pawns of the extreme right capitalist wealth as the JBS became.
Good Govt. is a blend of things that work well with moderate capitalism and socilaism. Limited capitalism, where small businesses make tons of jobs and keep people working are good for America. However, massive conglomerates, on the model of IG Farbin that Rockefeller taight Germany, that have so much wealth that they buy the Congress, get them elected or unelected is not good for America.
Capitalism to the extent of a Private Greedy Banker Federal Reserve is not good for America, and plots wars, extracts usury, and needs to be eliminated so that proper Federal Banking is run by the Govt., so there does not exist usury and if it does slightly, all the profits returned to the People's better use. No shares of the Peoples money needs to be diverted toward the Private International Bankers purpose or use, and if that happened, declair it as war on America, and those so involved need to be nuked.
Social Security is a necessary thing, and the crooks of the capitalistic controlled House and Congress need to be tossed out of Govt. permanently and their pensions cancelled for not seeing to it that SS was well run and not gutted by their reckless rackets in Govt. malfeasance.
The US has not been served by the Mega-Wealth types that conspired as the JBS did to control the Govt., further the control of Foreign Policy for the Rockefeller CIAA, etc.
While the US has some rules over monopoly, these do not extend to International issues, as the US is controlled in big banking via International Bankers and their huge Industry Conglomerate held wealth, and that is the root of today's problems in the US and really the world. It is going to have to become an International Effort to break up these groups that seek to overpower Govts., make continual wars, and exploit everything for their greater power and control. That might be the ultimate message for Revelations, as this massive problem will bring back the messeage of the Essene to be good stewards of the planet, make sure everyone is well and cared for, and their system was a socialistic design.
Perhaps that is the extreme right capitalists biggest fear, as the truth will be told as the world continues to fall apart under the wrong system of values. Their system of values has been one to undermine the truth, but the truth will always bubble up to the top and even if it takes a great war--the target needs to be those that really caused it--those that managed by deceit and treachery. One of the old indicators is when all around you is lies, you have reached the definition for Hell. So, enought of the lies, enough of the exploiters, time for truths, time for nukes not aimed at the People but those that exploited and corrupted even religion for their satanic goal.
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Looks like the thread on JBS is zooming past 4,800 views today, averaging about 100 views per day.
Back to the JBS theme via Oliver's associations:
One of the most interesting of the Revilo P. Oliver pages is listed below. In these web pages Oliver gets highly into manipulations of religion, both Western Christianity and lots of Jewish issues.
It is an interesting read that takes lots of time, but reveals tons of rare information. This one has audio recordings of his rebel rousing for the JBS. It also has his photos through the years of his life. This is the "older" web page"
http://www.revilo-oliver.com/indexold.html'>http://www.revilo-oliver.com/indexold.html
This is the newer web page:
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He also has a lot to say about the JFK assassination:
http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/Killing_Kennedy.html
While Johnson was flying to Washington with Kennedy's corpse, he was informed from Washington (i.e., by McGeorge Bundy or Commander Hallet in the White House) that "no conspiracy" was concerned in the assassination--this at a time when no investigation had been made (Oswald had just been arrested and was being questioned, but denied that he was the assassin). Obviously, Johnson was being informed that the high command had decided to make the assassination the work of a 'loner'--and had probably also decided that Oswald was a suitable patsy and must be eliminated before he had a chance to made a formal statement. (9)
(9. Oswald prudently refused to make a statement before he had a lawyer to advise him. It is probable that he was also awaiting instructions from his employers, who may or may not have been agents of the F.B.I. He was in touch with a local agent of that organization named Hosty, and about two weeks before the assassination had left with the Special Agent in Charge in Dallas a memorandum or report that was torn up and flushed down a sewer after the event. He was in any case acting for some covert agency of the Federal government. There is an unsubstantiated but not implausible theory that he was thus employed while in Russia. However that may be, it is likely that his activities on behalf of Fidel Castro's Soviet outpost in Cuba were carried out while he was in the employ of some agency of the government in Washington, and that he was directed to make his attempt to murder General Edwin A. Walker, the most prominent anti-Communist in Dallas. (Had the attempt succeeded, it could have been argued that American patriots in Dallas assassinated Kennedy in revenge for the murder of Walker.) His rôle in the assassination, like that of Rubenstein, alias Ruby, with whom he seems to have acted in concert, is still undetermined. A possible element in the puzzle is the fact that the C.I.A. is legally forbidden to operate within the United States, so that its domestic agents commonly operate as, and may actually be, agents of the F.B.I. All these speculations may seem far-fetched to persons who have no knowledge of the secret operations of intelligence agencies.)
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(10. As is well known, Oswald, while handcuffed between two detectives, was murdered by a gangster from Chicago named Jacob Rubenstein, alias Jack Ruby, who thus acquired the distinction of being the first man to commit murder while being photographed by several television cameras. Rubenstein, who operated night clubs in Dallas, had been associated with Oswald in some transactions of which the nature is still uncertain. He had a criminal record and was a paid employee of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, but Earl Warren naturally covered up for him in his report. Rubenstein had obviously been instructed to eliminate Oswald before he could made a formal statement. In Dr. Crenshaw's opinion, it might have been possible to save Oswald's life, if, within three minutes after he was shot, he had been given the treatment he received in the trauma room at Parkland; that, of course, would not have been possible, and the delay of fifteen minutes made death inevitable. Had Oswald lived, Johnson and his fellow conspirators would have had to devise some means of silencing him before he could talk. Mr. Shaw's summary does not mention the significant fact that Rubenstein in prison evidently decided to disclose some of the crucial facts to a female journalist, Dorothy Kilgallen, who delightedly told her friends that she was going to "blow sky high" the official story of the assassination, but was murdered before she could do so. Rubenstein was eliminated soon thereafter; the official story was that he had died of sudden cancer. It has been estimated that a total of some forty to fifty persons, witnesses to one or another crucial incident, were murdered to prevent them from contradicting the Warren Report. There are still many naïvely opinionated Americans who refuse to understand the character of the government that rules them.)
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Mr. Shaw believes that J. Edgar Hoover withheld evidence obtained by his Bureau because he was a friend of Lyndon Johnson. Informed opinion in Washington was to the effect that Hoover withheld incriminating evidence to prevent Johnson and "Bobby Sox" Kennedy from retiring him as head of the F.B.I. After Johnson was elected in November 1964, he replaced Kennedy with a Jew, Katzenbach, who had been officially Deputy Attorney General and, in all likelihood, actually Kennedy's supervisor, but Hoover remained the Director of the F.B.I. until his death in 1972. The evidence that he used to protect himself by political blackmail has not been revealed. It may be disclosed in 2039, when the files sealed by order of Lyndon Johnson may be opened--if, at that time, the rulers of the territory that is now the United States are interested in events of what will then be a dead past.
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'Kennedy...bypassed the Jewish Federal Reserve and issued government notes...as did President Abraham Lincoln a hundred years earlier and for which he, too, paid the ultimate price. ... On June 30, 1963, Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110, and further amended E.O. No. 10289 of September 19, 1952, thereby giving the President authority to issue the currency. He thereupon ordered the issue of $4,292,893,875.00. This was almost ten times as much as the $450,000,000.00 ["greenbacks"] printed by Lincoln during the Civil War. He evidently forced the then Secretary of the Treasury, C. Douglas Dillon, another name-changing Jew (Lapowski?), to sign the United States notes. Shortly thereafter...Kennedy paid the ultimate price and was shot, as was Lincoln. ... The first thing President Johnson did when he flew back to Washington was to reverse this order.'
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There appeared to be a real rift within the organization of our rulers (as distinct from dissent simulated to entertain the populace). A correspondent kindly informs me that he clearly remembers that, not long before Kennedy was expunged, Eisenhower appeared on television irately to denounce Kennedy for plans to tamper with the sacrosanct Federal Reserve, going so far as to regret that he had not campaigned for Nixon and thus assured his election in place of Kennedy. Since I almost never watch the Jews' picture-shows, I did not see that program. I do have vague recollections of very adverse criticism of Kennedy by the Super-Sheeny, Avraham ben Elazar, alias Dr. Henry Kissinger, (2) who was probably the Jewish satrap in charge of supervising the government in Washington. This seemed to indicate an internal struggle among our rulers, possibly a struggle between two factions of the ruling race. (3)
(2. The real name of Kissinger was disclosed by the Supreme Rabbinic Court of America when he was excommunicated from Jewry on 20 June 1976. The real reason for the excommunication has not been disclosed, and it would be a waste of time to consider conjectural explanations.)
(3. We must remember that although God's Race presents a united front against our race, which they both despise and hate, there are often violent disagreements about the expediency of some policy and consequently frequent, if not constant, quarrels between factions within the Self-Chosen People. For a good example, see Lenni Bremmer, The Iron Wall: Zionist Revisionism from Jabotinsky to Shamir (London, Zed Books, 1984). Needless to say, the "revisionism" mentioned in the title has nothing to do with the "revisionism" of honest historians who are now trying to expose the Jews' great Holohoax. Zionist "revisionism" deals with changes in policies for putting and keeping the goyim in their servile place. Bremmer particularly reprehends Shamir and his party of Zionists for attempts to enter into a military alliance with Adolf Hitler to expedite his "ultimate solution" of the Jewish problem in Germany by transferring the Jews in Germany to Palestine. Cf. Liberty Bell, March 1991, pp. 1-3; April-May 1991, pp. 108-114.)
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(4. The "Great Emancipator" seems to have had one real principle, dislike of niggers, whom he wished to export from American territory. In the "emancipation proclamation" he made provision for shipping the niggers back to Africa or some more convenient place in the Caribbean or Central America, and he did export at least five thousand of them to Haiti. That is the number exported, at a cost of $50.00 a head, under contract by Leonard Jerome, a financier, thought to have been partly Jewish, whose daughter married Lord Randolph Churchill and became the mother of the notorious Winston Churchill. On Lincoln's character, see especially the article by Sam G. Dickson, "Shattering the Icon of Abraham Lincoln," in the Journal of Historical Review, VII (1986), pp. 319-344.)
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The apparently documented attribution of an Executive Order for fiat currency to Kennedy was so plausible that many intelligent Americans, ignoring the more obvious motive for the highly successful assassination that I have mentioned above, leaped to the conclusion that Kennedy had been assassinated to prevent the issuance of currency on which the country would not have to pay usury to the Federal Reserve. And the supposed purport of Executive Order 11110 is mentioned in the campaign speeches of the American candidate for the Presidency, Colonel James "Bo" Gritz, who, although you would never know it from the jewspapers and boob tubes, is on the ballot in some twenty states as the candidate of a Populist Party and could receive 'write-in' votes in all but seven of the remaining states. In his speeches he elaborates on what he said in Called to Serve, that Kennedy "prepared his own death warrant" because, inter alia, "he actually minted [!] non-debt money." (8)
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Now Kennedy's Executive Order 11110, by authorizing the Secretary of the Treasury to continue issuing silver certificates and minting silver coins, including silver dollars, could be construed as countering the Act of Congress of the same date, for, on its face, it certainly does not conform to the policy of gradually taking silver certificates and silver dollars from the boobs. If that was his purpose, it was certainly commendable. But we must note that the actual issuance of real money was left to the discretion of the Secretary of the Treasury, a Jew who called himself Dillon, and one cannot be certain of the intended effect of the order without a detailed knowledge of the secret tensions and intrigues within the Administration.
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(13. One of the most audacious hoaxes was devised when the filthy mongrel called Eisenhower was President. The hoaxer printed letterheads of a Mamie Stover Foundation, headed by the Communist Kike on the Supreme Court, Felix Frankfurter, and sent out on that letterhead form letters that solicited contributions to establish a memorial for the mulatta who was Eisenhower's mother. The hoaxer thought that a good way to call public attention to the fact that "dear old Ike" was part n (as well as part Jew). Although he covered his track so well that the F.B.I. could find no valid evidence against him, he very seriously embarrassed the publisher with whom he was then associated. Another hoax involved quotations from a book supposedly written by a Jew, but of which no trace could be found. When the hoaxer was confronted with this fact, he defended himself by pleading that "Any stick is good enough to beat a Jew." He evidently could not understand that a stick that breaks in one's hand is not only useless, but dangerous and likely to wound the hand that wields it. To the extent that he was believed by persons on our side, he had done--unintentionally I hope--the work of an agent provocateur.
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Mr. Kaiser,
Read history. They jumped on Ike initially for letting Khruchev ride around with Pentagon Generals in parades, and it pretty much worked, and Ike learned what the Mil / Ind Network gang was. They were screwing with US Foreign Policy then and since that worked it grew bigger and more aggressive.
Round two, after the Ike warning to JFK, JFK didn't intend to get run over like Ike was run over.
The DuPonts had some investments in Cuba, but they didn't start the CIAA.
Kennedy went after the heads of the Beast---Ike didn't.
JFK went after the London International Bankers Money Machine /aka Fed.
JFK was going to shut down the free drug running out of Vietnam to the French Corsicans.
JFK was going to make peace with Cuba and Russia.
JFK was going to cut the big oil gangs free money--Oil Depletion.
JFK was going to muscle the Zionists on Nukes.
JFK was catching LBJ being a crook--Estes, Baker, Jaffee.
JFK was catching Hoover being a crooked lawman--taking pay-offs.
JFK was not going to be CIA / JCS baited into making a war.
Ike didn't do any of those things. Ike worked for Columbia University, sat in the IG Farbin HQ which was a Rockefeller design, and played ball with the Royalists. Ike assigned Nixon to appease the Mil / Ind Network (Birchers/Rockefellers/BigOil) with "Operation Mongoose".
JFK didn't. JFK made a bunch of fake statements to get elected, then went for the throats of the Beast. JFK disassembled Mongoose, which reversed the progress the Birchers and Rockefeller Foreign Policy meddling gained by political pressure on Ike. JFK screwed up the Birchers success story, and the Rockefeller long standing plans to Dominate the Americas and the Gulf.
If you had to ask that trivial a question, you do need to read about the issues of JFK on a much wider scale.
Anyway, no offence, but I am going to be moving on with adding more information and ignore your further questions that are fairly well covered in this thread previously, via the History restated, as well as lots of other books, etc..
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Mr. Kaiser,
It is a JFK Forum and most everyone is interested in good information, so present you case, write your book, build your thesis and we'll watch.
If you note, I am just being the bystander and observing. As do lots of others on EF. I well know the Cuba issues were a factor, just not the biggest one.
When it comes to JFK, the extent of the Buy-Ins are important and JFK sold the Zionists early on in 1960 with his political platform gestures, just as most of the US Congress does today and gets free junkets for a Middle East Vacation.
Several more things had to fall that protected JFK and one of the biggest was they had to subvert the highly Jewish controlled Democratic media in New York. What better way to do that than to have the NAZI's sponsor some Egyptian weapons work help that set off Ben Gurion. The Birchers knew the International Political turf very well, Hunt and Walker were NAZI players, and the last things to fall into place was JFK asking too many questions on the UFO incident connected to Roswell / White Sands / Ft. Bliss, so that certainly didn't have the NAZI's pulling too hard to JFK, but it did for LBJ who set up NASA.
Between too many UFO questions, too much support for peace with Russia that dumped the US into WWII, and not letting the Zionists have the Bomb---all that was needed to shut down both the Domestic Press and the International Press that would have wanted to out those that tried to frame Russia and Cuba. There was lots of leverage with the false Mockingbird techniques to start a war, if they didn't play their game.
In telling the larger perspectives on JFK, the intention is to expose all the crooked dealings and exploitations of America and other groups that more follow the games of the highly corrupted British Intelligence than the US CIA. Besides, Rockefeller started the CIAA, which was the model that became the OSS, the model that became the IG Farben, and the mess of Industrial diseases infecting the US in varied ways from health cover ups to political subversion of the US Constitution and control over the Money system.
So, basically what your saying is that it was a racist issue that killed JFK? Talking about NAZI's, Zionists, Egyptians and Russians? You have an incredible mind of which I would love to explorer and understand what it is that makes you think this.
I've watched the youtube video and it's presentation is well presented, I'm assuming you are the one who put it together? I have witnessed the amount of books, videos and hogwash many have put together for their own deceitful taste of pleasure. My mother has kept information never been made known to anyone and she now whats to come forward with the information my father was killed over. And if you think its not a personal vendetta I have against the CIA? After all it was the CIA that took the boat my father was killed and sunk it in the ocean.
Are you familiar to what extents the CIA would go to, to cover up their actions? Seriously Mr. Phelps, it was not the Mormons, Jews Zionists, NAZI or the KKK who assassinated JFK. However, you could write a good fiction book, not me.
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Mr. Kaiser,
No, I didn't make any videos on JFK and don't know who did. I have zero videos on You Tube.
If your Mom has some good info---then get it out there in this book and we'll all kick the tires and see if it is a good fit.
The success or failure of your story is yours to perform, and I'll continue to watch and keep a low profile. But, do count on my theme for JFK being Birchers, Rockefellers, and all their associated Mob.
So, until you fit in the larger History of "Ike" Riding around with Khruchev and setting off the Russian Hate again, until your fit in the CIAA and Rockefellers cranked up long before there was a Castro causing problems, and the court in the Southern America was Rockefeller built, you are not going to get a lot of my attention for the fuller aspect per JFK and the Communism issues that Rockefeller was using the Birchers to set up to control foreign policy. The Control started under Ike, and they so alienated persons like Goldwater and Buckley they bailed out of the extreme Right Birchers that were doing lots of the Rockefeller biddings on foreign policy.
You do what you need to do for your story, and I'll watch.
But if all the others don't buy-in, it is your ability to sell the story and expose the issues that must come from your ball handling. It won't be me that makes or breaks your story. It may however be, this run on diatribe that happens on your threads because you can't block detractors.
I am just telling the Bircher issues that directly link to the Rockefeller goals for Foreign Policy and Banking Control.
But anyway, lets see this book and all your mom's secrets. Take your time and write a very good book. Don't be dupped into telling stories that make the book anti-climactic by those wooling your around on EF. Apply yourself to your book.
I am not going to toss you any insults in return for yours. Keep telling your story, but I do think it is obvious that it doesn't fit well into the Bircher theme.
I do hope you've said your peace here, and get back to work on your book. The truth always wins out, but when there is a great aversion to truth for money and polical power, it takes time to bubble up. So, get the point here: I am not going to debate your book issues here. Do that on your thread(s). I likely won't chime in, but watch occassionally.
I just add to the boyancy effects per Birchers, Rockefellers, Money and Power. That is the theme here.
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Mr. Kaiser,
It is a JFK Forum and most everyone is interested in good information, so present your case, write your book, build your thesis and we'll watch.
If you note, I am just being the bystander and observing, per your presentations. As do lots of others on EF. I well know the Cuba issues were a factor, just not the biggest one. They did start the ball rolling, and the person that set up the court for play were the Rockefellers. So, they were the most offended for South America and Cuban issues. Using the CIA is a false flag to hide the Rockefellers, who set up the Southern Americas CIAA and the system the CIA inherited.
When it comes to JFK, the extent or scale massivity of the Buy-Ins are important and JFK sold the Zionists early on in 1960 with his polical platform gestures, just as most of the US Congress does today and gets free junkets for a Middle East Vacation.
Several more things had to fall that protected JFK and one of the biggest was they had to subvert the highly Jewish controlled Democratic media in New York. What better way to do that than to have the NAZI's sponsor some Egyptian weapons work help that set off Ben Gurion. The Birchers knew the International Political turf very well, Hunt and Walker were NAZI players, and the last things to fall into place was JFK asking too many questions on the UFO incident connected to Roswell / White Sands / Ft. Bliss, so that certainly didn't have the NAZI's pulling too hard to JFK, but it did for LBJ who set up NASA.
Between too many UFO questions, too much support for peace with Russia (that dumped the US into WWII), shutting down the Inernational London Bankers exploitation of the US for wars and usury, and not letting the Zionists have the Bomb---all that was needed to shut down both the Domestic Press and the International Press that would have wanted to out those that tried to frame Russia and Cuba. There was lots of leverage with the false Mockingbird techniques to start a war, if they didn't play their game. The JBS types were loaded with false leads and more than willing to make WWIII happen with Russia.
In telling the larger perspectives on JFK, the intention is to expose all the crooked dealings and exploitations of America and other groups that more follow the games of the highly corrupted British Intelligence than the US CIA. Besides, Rockefeller started the CIAA, which was the model that became the OSS, the model that became the IG Farben, and the mess of Industrial diseases infecting the US in varied ways from health cover ups to political subversion of the US Constitution and control over the Money system.
If the simple story was only the anti-Castro Cubans in Florida and New Orleans offed JFK, they'd have been outed by every intelligence agency on the planet. And the FBI and the CIA would have them gunned down in the streets for the publicity.
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Generally, there are several around these parts that seem to not like that I cut right to the chase on what and who had JFK killed, complete with all the motives and methods to achieve this greater plan that now threatens the US's National Security as it all comes into full and plain view.
Mr. Phleps, I do appreciate your views and find your material interesting, however, I also beleive that you are pretty far from the truth.
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Mr. Kaiser,
Since there isn't a defintion for "beleive," I guess you didn't say anything of relevance.
Produce that book of yours and we'll see how your issues stack up. So far, I am not moved by your accounts, but listening carefully.
The production of the JFK assassination cover up took far more buy-in that just small CIA players. The JFK cover up involved the highest eschelons of Govt and its military.
The only way to get that large a buy in was the Crooks in Dallas and the Rockefeller JBS players. Recall LBJ tried to get Rockefeller to follow him as President to perpetuate the LBJ cover up on the JFK hit. That gets the LBJ buy-in with Hoover, Hunt, Merchinson, Jaffee. Toss in the Hunt and Walker Nazi connections and one finds the Jewish buy-in games and why Milteer was able to make his prognostications.
The NEXUS was JBS, but you are entited to "BELEIVE"---whatever that means for you. Everyone forms their own opinions.
The JBS ring leaders fits rather well, and supports what I was told on Nov. 22, 1963 about the "ring leaders" for the JFK hit. When all the archives are opened, I do think everyone will find that to be so.
LHO was shapped as the Patsy by FBI Bircher in New Orleans, Birchers were heard all over the place planning to off JFK.
Very hard to deny the bulk of that evidence.
JFK was on the trailing curve to prevent this?
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Getting back on the theme of Germany's big science and corperatism sweeping the US via the formation of the CIA, and the Dulles and Big Banker games.
About this same time as the creation of the CIA and getting all the German NAZIs out of Europe and putting them to work in the US, we find another interesting UFO encounter in 1946. This is right in the same time frame the US is shipping train car loads of Germany's rocket program captured booty into Roswell, NM.
Harry Dean left Canada, took up sailing the Great Lakes for a time, then got into the US Military and saw something interesting down at Sheppard Field in Texas.
He tells the follow on page 23 of his book / manuscript:
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UFOs
While on guard duty in 1946, at night on an isolated area of the main runway at Sheppard Field I was not only under general orders, but 'special orders'. My instruction were, shoot to kill if the right signal and password was not given by 'anyoe' approaching my position, that order even included any officer or sergeant of the guard! I was concerend, but proud that I had pulled such a security assignment. While walking that lonely post in the dark I loosed a few of the tie-down ropes of the canvas each time I passed the same area of the huge item. Finially tossing back the cover enough to see with my flashlight what valuable thing I was guarding. Turtle shaped, it was in a fourteen feet around but sloped to about sixteen feet in one area. From the flatfoot surfaced landing gear to what was an apparent escape hatch on it's almost half-round top section was near eight feet. The actual body above its extended hydraulic landers was little over five feet high. There were small auxilary wheels attached to these three legs with spaced in the somewhat flatter underside to retract smoothly with that surface. I had retied the tarp cover before the office of the guard made his hourly inspection round. In responding to his request to repeat my specific orders for that post it is certain I was extremely nervious, although no order stated that I 'could not' inspect what was a weird craft placed under my charge. My thinking was this dull-silver object was just another advance in aviation. I was not overly impressed by what I called a 'turtle' but thought silently "in the Army Air Force we have everything". Even 'the amazing helicopter' being prefected, was about to come into first use by our AAF in 1946.
Little more than a year later in July 1947 the title of U.F.O. came into the language after the mysterious crash was discovered near Roswell, New Mexico. Hearing about that, I realized one of the experimental 'turtles' had likely gone down just over three hundred miles distance from the 'U.F.O.' I had guarded at Sheppart Field Texas. Since late 1945 one hundred and fifty capture German scientists under Wernher Von Braun were working with American scientists at Alamogordo, and White Sands missle range in the New Mexico no great distance from Roswell. They were perfecting rocketry satellite, and space vehicles, et al: and one of their 'even yet' top secrets (the so-called flying saucer) was almost exposed!
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