William Kelly

Shortly after the CIA was established in 1947, the British liason to the CIA was Harold Adrian "Kim" Philby, who was in the room when the director of the CIA's Office of Policy Corrdination OPC - Frank Wisner explaind how the CIA's operations were to be financed through a network of private, ostensibly philantropic non profit charity and educational foundations. The KGB new it from day one but it would be years, decades before ordinary citizens would learn about it.

Among those private foundations that are entwined with the assassination of President Kennedy are the San Jacinto Fund of Texas, the Ford Foundation, the Catherwood Foundation and dozens of others.

Here's what I got on the Catherwood Fund.

BK

James,

I dug up some of my Castillo files, but they're on my Mac G3, which isn't hooked up to the internet, and is not compatable with my Dell, so I don't know if I can transfer them on text or what.

In any case, since your interested, I'll review them and write a quick synopsis.

BK

Hi Guys,

Did anybody else notice Gen. Victor "Brute" Krulak in the Penthouse story on Coply?

He was Fletcher Prouty's commander, who later confirmed Prouty's identificaiton of Gen. Ed Lansdale walking in the background of the tramps at Dealey Plaza.

John Newman said he was working on Lansdale, and discovered Lansdale was in Ft. Worth on 11/21/63, possibly staying in the same hotel as JFK.

Also, I'm working on a review of Max Holland's "The Kennedy Assassination Tapes," and will touch on Holland's study of Soviet disinformation and the assassination, and compare it to CIA disinformation on the assassination - as propagated by Holland.

BK

Yo! Gerry,

I have a question:

Is it true that you first met Lee Harvey Oswald in Southern California - San Diego? maby?

At the Mexican or Cuban counsulate?

And had words with him?

Many thanks for your recollections,

And Gerry, I'm going to pass on your "dumn ass Peter Dale Scott" remark as a tease to see if I can get Peter to join us here and add his two cents to the proceedings.

Bill Kelly

bkjfk3@yahoo.com

There are many interesting aspects to Jack Lawrence's story. He held a cushy job in W. Virginia, appointd by a Republican administraion, but lost it when JFK and the Democrats were elected and who he actively supported.

Lawrence also worked, not directly for NASA, but a Florida defense contractor that did. He was on his way somewhere else when he got sidetracked and delayed in Dallas, where he stayed at the YMCA where Ruby kept a locker and where Oswald stayed on occassion - ie. when he returned from Mexico City.

Lawrence also patronized the Dallas library, and listened to motivational tapes.

Since he was working at the Dallas Ford/Linc Merc dealer, who supplied autos for the motorcade, he was aware of the visit by Oswald/Impersonator.

On the night before the assassination, Lawernce admits to drinking heavily at a piano bar on Mockingbard Lane with some other people, and Beverly Oliver says that she knew Jack Lawrence and ran into him at the Cabana Lounge and danced with him while she was there with Jack Ruby and Larry Meyers from Chicago. From there they went to the Egyptian Lounge for Pizza, which is on Mockingbird Lane near the piano bar.

Some night on the town. It now seems more likely that Lawrence's fellow employees were right about him getting sick since he admitted having a hangover.

Attached is an article I wrote about the night before the assassination.

BK

Hello James,

I'm more versed on Castillo than Yellow Roses.

Besides the references to him in "Operation Mind Control," I finally got a copy of the Church Committee report on Castillo, which I haven't reviewed in a long time, but remember that in the end, when the FBI catch up with him at his mother's house, she says that some guys in suits and ties took him away the day before and she feared nobody would see him again.

I'll see what I have on him in my old computer's harddrive.

Peter Dale Scott sourced the cousin connection to Eddie Bayo, and when I asked Peter about Castillo, he said that Richard Popkin suggested not to go there.

Will get back to you on it.

BK

bkjfk3@yahoo.com

I'm going to jump in with Jack on this one. There has even been a fair amount of

local research done on the subject in Dallas (although I have to admit that when

I first got into this stuff I thought virtually everything was supicious too). I'd advise

anyone just getting started to get as many copies of the third and fourth Decade

journals, Penn Jones books and Penn's newsletter collection and do some reading.

Anyway, you have to remember that there were several stops in Texas and lots of

banquets. Yellow roses were preferred because they do relate to the song and

Texas as Jack described. By the time the folks in Dallas got to trying to buy enough

yellow roses for the luncheon they started running into a real supply problem even

there.

I have no idea of Mrs. Cabell ran into the same problem but there was also

the issue of what the First Lady was wearing that day and red roses are a better

fit for a pink suit. Maybe Mrs. Cabell took that into consideration.

We really need to get together on the fact that all indications are that the shooting

was done by a well trained, coordinated team. It wasn't a pick of game or a local

Bircher with a 30-06. And the roses had nothing to do with it.

- IMHO, Larry

Bill can you fill us unenlightened ones in about Luis Castillo's trance-like recollections of being in

Dallas on 11/22/63; sound's interesting to me.

Hi Guys,

Gee, I didn't realize there was so much sensitivity with the roses. I even heard from Gary Mack, who I haven't heard from in years. What an honor.

I still don't know the difference, as far as social graces go, between the yellow and red roses, but I'm sure there is one.

I'm more interested in the reports that I read years ago that Castillo, a pre-programed, psychotic, picked up in the Phillipines in an assassination plot, told his interrogators he was in Dallas on 11/22/63 with a team with orders to shoot somebody next to the lady with red roses. I didn't even know Jackie was given red roses that day, at the time.

I don't put much credence in Castillo's story, as according to the MKNAOMI pay off report, they could only go operational when they were certain what the outcome would be, and they didn't control Castillo as he was certainly a lose cannon in their arsonal of subjects.

The Church report on Castillo was kept under raps for years after the 1992 JFK Act, and was only relinquished after many inquiries, and very scary scince in the end, the FBI let him off the hook and he's still running around out there, somewhere.

Bill Kelly

bkjfk3@yahoo.com

There was indeed a well documented Castro plot to murder Reagan. As I recall, it occured while he was still Governor of California. I have evacuated my house (but not Key West) due to the scheduled arrival of Wilma Flintstone but I will post the information about this (in a Reagan biography) when the winds subside.

To Mr. Kelly:

On what basis do you assert that this was a falsely planted story, a hoax, as you put it, other than, as you wrote, you "immediately recognized" it as such? And by implication are you asserting that the attempt on Reagan's life was in fact a CIA plot?

I think this matter is of some importance and deserves attention.

Hi Tim,

Sorry its taken so long to get back to you, but I'm working on a number of projects at once.

In answer to your questions, my assertion is not that it is just a false, planted story and a hoax, but more specifically it is a perfect example of Black Propaganda - one of a number of shades of propaganda, by the guy who wrote the book on propaganda and psychological warfare, Paul Lineberger, mentor to such psychological warriors - Lansdale, David Atlee Phillips, E. Howard Hunt, Helms, Colby, et al. Linebarger was a professor at John Hops, but ran invitation only seminars out of his DC home.

Unlike white, grey and other types of propaganda, Black Propaganda is made to appear as if it comes from the enemy camp. Max Holland has been hyping the Russian's take on the assassination from their files, and is trying to make the case that Garrison was duped by Soviet black prop ops re: PERMINDEX, based on the disputed source of information.

Saying the source of the assassination plot is Castro, or one of his agents in Cuba, or a foreign newspaper is one thing, but actually - as the reporter notes - the source of the story is the NSA - the National Security Agency - the most super secert (after ONI) Ameican intelligence agency whose even existence was denied for decades.

The NSA, as the reporter admits, leaked the memo to Scripps-Howard, the company he works for, which is among the 25 news organizations considered assets of the CIA. Now I would think that there would be an investigation into the NSA leak, unless the leak was intentional, which it was. It's a Black Propaganda operation, a black prop op, perpetuated, as Mr. Mathews clearly describes in his book, to blame the assassination on Castro.

All covert operations have black prop ops run along side them as cover, diversion and attempts to control or stimulate resonses to the main cover op.

Was this part of the plot to assassinate Reagan? And how did I recognize it?

DAPhillips tells of one of Linebarger's lectures that includes an old joke about an immigrant to America whose first letter from home informs him that his beloved cat has died. Writing home requesting not to receive such bad news all at once, but break it down, and tell him first that the cat went up on the roof, and then later that it fell off, and then it died. The next leter merely said, "Grandmother's on the roof."

Linebarger's point was for good intelligence analysts to be able to see in some line of report or news, the grain of information that alerts you that something big is up.

When I saw the headline in the news that day that Castro was trying to kill Reagan, I immediately said to myself, "Grandmother's on the roof!"

The NSA leak, the SHNS source, the radio intercepts, the Carcas dateline, all the dots were connected, but I didn't actually anticipate the Hinkley Hilton incident, though yes, it was most certainly a well planned and executed, but failed attempt to kill Reagan.

The evidence that Hinkley and his copycat assassins (ie Richardson) were MKULTRIANS is extensive, and both John Judge and myself have written articles detailing same, which I will try to dig up.

Linebarger himself however, warned his students that the psychwar strategies and tactics he taught them should only be used against other countries, and that if they were used domestically, especially in political campaigns, it would destroy democracy.

I hope that answers your two questions.

And Tim, is it true that Oswald was seen at Capt'n Tony's drinking a Cuba Libra?

BK

bkjfk3@yahoo.com

Of course there's symbolism to "The Yellow Rose of Texas," about which there is a song written about.

There's also some possible covert signal going on, as I think Louis Angel Castillo, the programmed assassin picked up in the Phillipines, whose interrogation sessions included his trance like recollections of being in Dallas on 11/22/63, and with a team (that included a women), ordered to shoot the man next to the women with the red roses, but were aborted when JFK killed before he got to them.

It appears the MKULTRANS were busy trying to create the perfect assassins and were fine tuning their techniques.

The Yellow Roses weren't just a subtle insult.

BK

G'Day to you James,

Thanks for the Pix of Lamanna.

He looks remarkablly similar to Rivera -

from Rivera's photo in military files. I scanned the photo in my old mac computer and

posted it at JFK Research a few years ago.

I think Jack White still has the scan filed away. Maybe he can post it for us.

BK

John,

I don't think it's fare to compare Adele and Judyth, though they both have the medical research background.

While Judyth only gives info that is verafiable from books and published sources, Adele has given us literally dozens of new leads that DO check out and lead to others.

Stockdale is one example. Others have done more research on his death, all I have is a newspaper clip.

Other leads: Drs. Jose Rivera, his superior Dr. Carl Lamana, SS SAIC NO John Rice, Blackie's House of Beef, the New Orleans medical research community, etc. are all more significant and pan out with other leads.

As for your profile of Dr. Rivera, when she met Rivera at the conference in Atlantic City Adele was a research student with a grant from the NIH that Rivera provided as the administrator.

The Army Inspector General's Report on the Use of Human Subjects in Chemical Agent Research (circa 1976) notes that for the most part, subjects of MKULTRA (LSD, etc.) experiments were either prisoners, soldiers or students, and she was one of the subjects who has survived. It's time to go beyond Adele, and instead of concentrating on her, follow up on the leads she presents.

Doug Horne, a military investigator for the ARRB, requested Rivera's military files and got about 800 pages, which include his background, military postings and the name of his superior on the classified projects Rivera was working on.

Both in 1948 at Ft. Detrick and 1961-63 Rivera worked on classified projects under Dr. Carl Lamanna, who isolated the crystaline form of the botulinum toxin (the most poisonous poison) at Ft. Detrick and did research on Anthrax in the 50s. Dr. Richard E. Shope (U. of Iowa) says that Lamanna was with the Scientific Defense Biological Warfare Program at Ft. Detrick ( later USAMRIID).

The Church Committee discovered the existence of MKNAOMI, a joint CIA-USArmy research project and covert operational base that I believe Lamanna and Rivera were affiliated with. [see attached doc.]

Both Lamanna and Rivera were assigned to a joint Navy-Army research project at Monteray, Calif. at the time Oswald got out of the service and defected, and Rivera, besides being a teacher of nurses in New Orleans at relevant times, was assigned for the longest time - seven years - at Brooks Medical facility in Texas, which JFK visited on 11/21/63. While there, he broke off from the tour he was given to check out a special, new oxygen tank that could have possibly saved the life of his young son Patrick, whose medical condition Rivera was familar with from his NIH position in Bethesda, DC.

The most important lead Adele gives us however, is Special Agent In Charge (SAIC) of the New Orleans Secret Service office, who she talked to on the phone before and after the assassination, and who interviewed her in NO on 11/24/63 at the time of Oswald's murder. I'm sure Oswald's sudden demise suddenly made those whistleblowers like Adele to keep quite.

Rice is only mentioned in a dozen or so docs at the NARA, and in only one book as far as I can tell. Pat Lampert's lame book on Jim Garrison mentions Rice was looking for David Ferrie at one point. Then he disapears, though Adele says he was fairly young and we believe he is still alive today.

There are a number of imortant witnesses and suspects who are stll alive and should be located and properly interviewed, including John Rice, Jim Braden, Steve Kennan, Don Norton, Jean Aase, Carl Mather, the mystery man in Mexico City, and the positive id of the tramps.

Identifying them and their whereabouts, and asking them the proper questions would be significant, and having them testify under oath before a Congressional Hearing or a Grand Jury would be even better.

Bill Kelly

bkjfk3@yahoo.com

Robert,

What's the reference to Father Madrigal again?

Is he connected to Father McCahn?

BK

Hello Jack White,

Good to hear from you again, and for providing quick and pertinent information.

I guess we should know if the Norton being quoted is Donald O. or Donald P. or another Norton. Sounds like the Honeymooners Norton.

The one I met knew Mae Brussell and supported her work.

In addition, I don't think it is wise for new researchers to go off hap hazzardly calling witnesses in a homicide on the telephone and asking them if they know anything incriminating. Witnesse must be approached properly by knowledgeable investigators, asked the right questions, and should also be questioned under oath - as testimony - either in Congress or a court of law (ie grand jury).

Wim has also done this on occassion, much to the detriment of the case.

There's a lot of research done on Don Norton, which should be evaluated before being questioned, and there's a lot more research that can be done.

As for John's question about Adele Edison, she is a very compelling and courageous witness with important information, especially in regards to Dr./Col. Jose Rivera's connection to to the JFK assassination coup cabal.

But I think we should start a special thread, maybe a seminar on Rivera, and ask Adele to join in.

Bill Kelly

Hi John, Greg, Robert et al,

I think we are discussing this topic in a Mexico City thread, and I hope Joan Mellen comes back to discuss her book with us.

She livies near me, north of Trenton, New Jersey, while I am east of the capitol, and teaches at Temple in Philly, which is nearby. I would like to read her book and meet up with her sometime soon.

As for Keenan, after writing the article on the Philadelphia Quakers and the Mexico City connection a few years ago, I got an email from Greg in Australia and Stu Wexler in North Jersey. Greg had noticed that there was an Ed Keenan mentioned in the Warren Report, as being at the American embassy when Oswald was there.

A contemporary search came up with TWO Edward L. Keenans ( - who I dubbed ELKI and ELKII), one of whom was the one at the Moscow embassy when Oswald was there. That is Dr. Edward L. Keenan, Harvard Professor at Dumbarton Oaks Research Center (1703 Thirty-second St., Washington D.C.) and specialist on Muscovite social, cultural and political history to 1700.

The other Dr. Edward L. Keenan is a professor of linguistics at UCLA, who was a student in Philadelphia in the early 1960s, and worked for the State Department as an interpreter in 1963.

We (Greg, Stu and myself) contacted Tony Summers, who was busy on his Sinatra book at the time, and he was kind of "stunned" that he missed the Keenan in USSR when he was running down the Keenan in Mexico City (kiddoos to Greg).

So I exchanged emails with both ELKs and the one at Dumbarton Oaks acknowledged being in the American Embassy in Moscow when Oswald was there, but said he had never been to Mexico City.

The Prof. of linguistics responded to my email inquiry if he had ever been to Mexico City with the quisical, "Why, did something horrible happen?" or something like that. (I have it filed away).

I then talked with him on the phone and exchanged more emails with him but he at first denied being Mexico City, other than the airport.

When asked about a motorcycle or motorbike, he said, "I don't drive a motorcycle," which is a little strange, as most people would have said, 'ride' a motorcycle, and being a linguist he should have been pretty precise.

In addition, someone later came up with a list of participants at a confernce of linguists in Mexico City that included Keenan, so he either forgot about that or lied about it.

I personally think one of these Ed Keenans could be the "Steve Keenan" who rode Oswald around Mexico City on his motorcycle and worked as a double-agent for the KGB and CIA.

And if not, the Quaker Keenan from Philadelphia who was in Mexico City with Oswald should be positively identified with a little more research.

Bill Kelly

Hi Steve,

And yes, I am that Bill Kelly, but beware, there are two Don Nortons.

I think one is Donald O. Norton and the other is Donald P. Norton, though John White has done more recent research on this than I have.

I met John Judge at the Univeristy of Dayton, Ohio in the fall of 1969, when I was a freshman and he had just graduated. He got me interested in the JFK assassination when he gave me a copy of the Jim Garrison interview in Playboy and took me to NYC to one of the first conferences on the JFK Assassination at NYU Law School, where I first met Penn Jones, Fletcher Prouty, Sylvia Meagher, Mae Brussell and other first generation researchers.

Judge was very close to Mae Brussell and brought her to Dayton to give a lecture, which I attended. After the lecture, I carried Mae's bag of books to a car in the parking lot. A few other students crowded around her asking addional questions.

After awhile one of those standing around introduced himself, saying, "Hello, Mae, I'm Don Norton."

Mae stood back and looked at him, and thanked him for the contributions he had sent her.

"That's my conscience money," he said.

Norton mentioned that he was living, at the time, near Toledo, and since Mae was speaking in Dayton, he drove down the pike to see her.

I really wasn't paying much attention, and didn't get a good look at the guy, but later on, when John asked Mae about him, Mae said something like, "He's the real Lee Harvey Oswald," and discussed how he did some of the things that were attributed to Oswald, and may have been an Oswald double.

John and Mae then checked to see if they could get a copy of his signature, on a letter or a check or something, to see if it matched anything signed by Oswald, but I don't know if they actually did.

More recently, John White and others have been tracking Norton's paper trail, and where he has been living. There have been reports he was living in Maryland and Florida, though I haven't kept up with the latest.

In retrospect I should have paid closer attention to what was happening and followed up on it, but at the time I was a college student and not a JFK researcher, though I'm willing to meet up and talk with Norton again, if I can catch up with him.

Bill Kelly

Hi Dawn and John,

It's nice to be admired from afar by a girl from Austin. You don't have much music down there, do you?

As for the Federal Grand Jury petition, you can the petition on line at:

http://www.petitiononline.com/jfkgjury/petiton.html

and if not a US citizen, sign on but note nationality in order to get updates on the petiton's progress.

If you can imagine a federal grand jury, similar to the one Fitz conveined for the CIA leak, you have an idea of how significant this could be in getting new testimony under oath, scientific evaluations reviewed and providing a venue for whistleblowers and new evidence. In addition, the related crimes are homicide, conspiracy, destruction of evidence, perjury and bringing the Pinkerton doctrine into play.

And John,

as for Buckley, I know he was involved in some Mexico City shennigans, and that the CIA most certainly bankrolled media industrially - Copley News Service (as exposed by Penthouse), Visions of Latin America and the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism - so why not National Review?

Just today in my local paper - Burlington County (NJ) Times (Monday, Oct. 24, 05) has a commentary:

Today's conservatives owe a debt to one influencial magazine - National Review - by former editor (1957-1988) William Rusher, Esq. , now a distinguished fellow of the Claremont Institute for the Study of Statesmanship and Political Philosophy Newspaper Enterprise Association (that would make that CISSPPNEA).

"...All honor then, to Bill Buckley...who analyzed America's problems carefully, and insisted upon responses to them that were not always popular, but had the supreme virtue of being right."

And if those responses didn't work, then he ran a covert operation that did it anyway.

I'll try to find an abstract of my COPA address "Bottlefed by Oswald's NANA," which discusses the CIA-Media ownership as it affects the Kennedy assassination.

Also, Jerry Polikoff wrote a long article and gave a COPA talk on the Media and the JFK Assassination, though he focused mainly on the mainstream CBS and NYTs.

BK

Joseph Trento (Secret History of the CIA) argues that Oswald was probably working for Castro in 1963 and the assassination was carried out by two Cuban agents, Policarpo and Casas. Have you come across any information that suggests this is the case?

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I have, of course, encountered many theories in which Cubans were involved in the assassination. I cannot say I have met this one before, but in my own work there enough to hack at the roots of it.

Oswald's movements from when he returned from Russia up to the time of the assassination are fairly well documented. I cannot see when such a liaison would be formed and even less when it could have been developed. At the time of the Mexico trip LHO was clearly being run by renegade CIA agents. It would be difficult to establish opportunity during this few days.

I fully believe it was the intention of the CIA agents involved in the assassination to lay a trail leading to Cuba, therefore any evidence of this would be interesting, but it would not be likely to be significant by itself.

I believe the assassination of JFK was the work of a highly competent team of (1) marksmen, (2) communications operatives, and (3) liaison personnel, and I could not remotely go with the notion of two Cuban agents carrying this out. With respect, this is little better than the Warren Report's lone gunman theory.

Wayne January's fully documented encounter with a renegade CIA pilot at Red Bird airfield was very revealing. It also established that the team of assassins was great enough to require a Douglas DC3 to take them out of Dallas.

I have read Mathew's book, and agree that the Second Plot to blaim the assassination on Castro is an important indicator as to who the responsible party really was, especially since this plot was put into motion before the assassination.

In the course of my research I have come across many examples of the black propaganda operation that continue to this day to pin the JFK hit on Castro.

One good example is the following report, which came out shortly before Hinkley tried to kill RR.

BK

John,

I share your interest in Operation Mockingbird.

The CIA's use of ostensibly independent journalists was part of the "Family Jewels," along with the assassination plots and MK/ULTRA.

In another thread, I think it's on Nate Weyel, there's a list of members of an anti-Castro Cuban organization that included a few relevant people that I am familiar with - Ernest Cuneo and Virginia Prewett.

Cuneo is a former OSS officer who worked with Sir William Stephenson (A Man Called INTREPID) and the Brits/Canadians in US during WWII, and with Ivor Bryce, owned the North American Newspaper Alliance (NANA), the subject of one of my COPA conference talks. I'll try to dig up the abstract, which I think is titled "Bottlefed by Oswald's NANA."

Cuneo and Bryce used NANA as their own private intelligence agency, with reporters all over the world, Ernest Hemingway in Spain, Priscilla Johnson (McMillan) in USSR, Virginia Prewett in Cuba (with David Atlee Phillips), and Ian Fleming as "European Editor."

Fleming even used Cueno and Bryce as 007 characters, Cuneo a Vegas cab driver in Live and Let Die and Bryce as a horse breeder at Saratoga.

Phillips used Prewett (See Gaeton Fonzi's "The Last Investigation") to promote his Cuban operations.

Another NANA editor who worked with Fleming is named Goldberg - the husband of Luci Goldberg, the New York "journalist" who convinced Linda Tripp to surepticiously tape record Monaca Lowinsky, which violated a state law and got Tripp into trouble.

Besides NANA, Fleming also worked as an editor at the London Sunday Times with the Random House publisher of Posner's "Case Closed," not Loomis, but whose name escapes me at the moment. But he's credited by Posner in the acknoledgements as giving him the commission to write the book.

In any case, Ernest Cuneo and Virginia Prewett and NANA were very much a part of the Mockingbird legacy and the CIA's Cuban ops.

Bill Kelly

Hi Harry,

Good to see you here.

Hope all is well.

I'll have my mother say a rosary for Rich.

Bill Kelly

bkjfk3@yahoo.com

Hi, all. Our good friend Rich DellaRosa at jfkResearch.com/forum is in dire peril healthwise. Please sincerely pray for his recovery.

Harry

Hi Harry,

Good to see you here.

Hope all's well with you.

I'll have my mother say a rosary for Rich.

Bill Kelly

bkjfk3@yahoo.com

Now it really gets strange!

Joan Braden's varied career included stints as a U.S. State Department officer, public relations executive, magazine writer, television interviewer and aide to John F. Kennedy and Nelson A. Rockefeller. And in the meantime, she raised eight children. Her husband, newspaper columnist Tom Braden, wrote about her and the family in the book Eight is Enough -- which was adapted into the TV series of the same name which ran 1977 to 1981. Of the eight kids, seven are still alive; the youngest, Tom, died in 1994. Mrs. Braden died August 29 from a heart attack. She was 77.

So Thomas Braden of Operation Mockingbird wrote the book "Eight is Enough" which became both a hit movie and TV series. Braden was a newspaper columnist in the movie and tv series, played by Dick Van Patten. Steve Martin played the father in the recent remake--but Martin was a football coach. I don't recall seeing the 1977 movie and there was no reference to the wife's actual background in the remake, of course.

Interesting!

One story you won't see in the TV show or in Tom Braden's book is what it was like to live in house with eight kids and a Nazi Gestapo assassin. When Braden and his wife married their large family was friends and neighbors with Bobby and Ethel Kennedy, who also had a large family. Braden was one of Alan Dulles' deputies, and as a favor to Dulles Braden took in one Hans Bernd Gisevius, a Gestapo-OSS double-agent run by Dulles out of Berne, Swiss., and participant in the failed assassination attempt on Hitler at the Wolf's Lair. Gisevius, in Berlin, believed Hitler was killed and put the coup d'etat into motion. While many involved were rounded up and executed, Gisevius escaped with the help of Dulles and his assistant, Mary Banacroft. When Gisevius came to the USA, he lived with Braden's family and received a salary from the CIA.

As pointed out elsewhere, the guy who took over Tom Braden's CIA operations, Cord Meyer, Jr. was the founder of the World Federalists, whose Philadelphia fundraising banquets were organized by Michael Paine's mom, Ruth Forbes Paine.

Cord Meyer's neighbor, Priscilla Johnson McMillan and Walter Cronkite are also active World Federalists, and I suspect, part of Mockingbird as well.

I imagine it must have been pretty interesting conversations sitting around the Braden's dinner table with all those kids and a Gestapo Colonel.

Bill Kelly

bkjfk3@yahoo.com

Robert,

Ron

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Ron, are you familiar with this story it seems to provide a dimension to Oswalds Mexico City sojournings heretofore undisclosed.

If you study the FBI's Cointelpro documents, one of the groups targeted was the Friends, because of their anti-nuclear stance.

I once tried to find Ruth Paine's name in the Cointelpro documents coming out of Pennsylvania, but didn't find any.

Steve Thomas

Steve,

A lot of Cointelpro docs were stollen from the Media, Pa. (Suburb of Philly) FBI office in the 1970s and published by a group of radicals. Tink Thompson was teaching Philosophy at one of the local colleges there and knew the group who did this, and I think Vince Salandria represented them in court when they got busted.

Cynthis McKinney also hosted a seminar on the Cointelpro operations at the Congressional Black Caucus in DC last month.

Ruth Paine's student "pen pal" correspondence with Russian students was most certainly monitored though there's not many docs.

But I don't think it's Ruth Hyde Paine - Michael Paine's wife who is the real key, but Ruth Forbes Paine Young, Michael Paine's mother. She was Mary Bancroft's close friend and international traveling companion and wife of Arthur Young, inventor of the Bell Helicopter. They were Michael and Ruth Paine's mentors and financial benefactors, Philadelphia Quakers and possible targets of Cointelpro.

Also, as Robert mentioned, there is more to the Philadelphia Quaker in Mexico City story and other aspects to this angle that I'll try to update when I have the time.

Bill Kelly

bkjfk3@yahoo.com

William E. Kelly, Jr. was born in 1951, the son of a Camden, New Jersey, USA homicide detective. He followed the news reports and read the articles and books on the assassination of President Kennedy and majored in history at the University of Dayton, Ohio, School of Education, where he did his thesis on the Bay of Pigs. After graduation he taught history and became a freelance journalist and author of regional history books "300 Years at the Point" and "Birth of the Birdie," a history of golf.

Kelly became personally involved in original JFK assassination research in 1977 after publication of Peter Noyes' book "Legacy of Doubt," which reported on the activities of Jim Braden, a suspect taken into custody at the scene of the crime.

Reading that Braden had been arrested in mob related activities in Camden, N.J. in 1948, but the Camden PD refused to released the arrest record, he obtained the file and shared it with other researchers and investigators, including former Philadelphia prosecutor and then chief counsel of the House Select Committe on Assassination Richard Sprague.

When the HSCA records were locked away, Kelly formed the Committee for an Open Archives (COA) with his college associate John Judge, lobbying extensively for the JFK Assassination Records Act, which was passed in 1992. With Judge, Peter Dale Scott, John Newman, Jim Lesar, Bill Turner, Jerry Rose, Jim DiEugenio and others, he was an original founder of the Coaliton on Political Assassinations (COPA), and made presentations at COPA conferences on the Collins Radio Connections, the North American Newspaper Alliance (NANA) and the NORAD stand down on 9/11. With Judge, he also assisted the 9/11 Citizen's Watch, which monitored the work of the 9/11 Commission.

Kelly is currently attempting to petition federal prosecutors in Texas, Louisiana and DC to convein a special federal grand jury to review the evidence and determine if any individuals can be indicted for crimes related to the assassination of President Kennedy.