Michael Hogan
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Paul, nothing you wrote has anything to do with what I wrote.
There is not even a speck of material evidence presented by anyone on this thread indicating possible 1963 KKK involvement in the JFK assassination by anyone from Terry, Mississippi.
People that have passionately studied the murder of President Kennedy for a good portion of their lives should not be expected to take kindly to attempts to hoax them.
Michael, it's been 50 years and all the people passionately studying the murder of JFK in all that time have arrived at no consensus. There are dozens of contradictory theories out there. Y'all haven't cracked the case. Why not admit it? Why not admit that it's time to try new avenues?
The evidence should have steered JFK researchers to investigate ex-General Edwin Walker far more fully. But they didn't. It's been 50 years, and Walker died 20 years ago. Yet only now are historians beginning to stumble over what all these "people passionately studying the murder of President Kennedy for a good portion of their lives" have all overlooked.
The main political connections of ex-General Walker were race segregation advocates. It is not a hoax to notice that. It is not a hoax to notice the common thread between Walker and Guy Banister, who was also a fanatic about race segregation.
It is not a hoax to recognize that JFK was dead less than six months after his Civil Rights speech, after which violent acts against Civil Rights advocates sharply escalated. Why haven't the JFK researchers cracked the case after half a century? Could it be because they can't handle the truth?
Regards,
--Paul Trejo
Maybe you should consider a trip to Hinds County, Mississippi.
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According to this article in the UC Santa Cruz online newspaper David Talbot is "currently writing a book about the assassination of JFK."
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From The Topeka Capital-Journal
Dallas detective: Oswald shot JFK to gain fame
Detective, 92, speaks to SRO crowd at WU
by Steve Fry
April 23, 2013
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Hi Tom,
Any chance you could post all the pages of the HSCA's report on Marina's contradictions? I swear I used to have it but I can't seem to find it now and I'm too lazy to carry on looking.
Martin, I'm glad you have resumed posting. Your contributions here have always had value.
You and Lee have done a good job pointing out some of the weaknesses inherent in so many of Paul's posts.
On another thread, I found it extremely tedious to have a dialogue with Paul for reasons not dissimilar to what you and Lee have encountered on this thread.
Here's the link to that HSCA report: http://educationforu...04
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Terri, although perhaps most JFK readers believe the CIA was involved -- I am among the minority who demand to see hard proof before I come to a conclusion.
John McClone, Director of the CIA in 1963, was appointed by JFK, and it still seems unlikely to me that he would order JFK killed. So, like the HSCA hinted, even if some low-level CIA piece-workers were involved, that is different from official CIA involvement.
Paul, your conclusions have been based in large part on the story of Harry Dean and very selected statements from the likes of George de Mohrenschildt,
Gerry Hemming, Marina Oswald, Ron Lewis, Loran Hall, Larry Howard etc. Is that what you mean by hard proof?
Where is the hard proof to back your claims about Walker and Banister's roles in framing Oswald?
How many JFK readers, whatever that term means, claim that John McCone ordered President Kennedy's murder? Can you name a few?
Do you consider suspects like Angleton, Dulles, Helms and Phillips to be "some low-level CIA piece-workers?"
Do you think the Ku Klux Klan had "official involvement" in the murder of President Kennedy?
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From a November 14, 1967 memorandum from Jim Garrison (Lorraine Schuler) to "All Key Personnel on Special Investigation."
100. Eric Norden has supplied us with the following information: Ronnie Dugger, now with Harpers Magazine,
stated that he located an informer who said that in the Stevenson riot Lee Oswald was carrying an extreme
anti-Stevenson sign. Inasmuch as the Stevenson riot appears to have been conducted, to a great extent, by
Larry Schmidt, this is an extremely important lead. Dugger should be contacted through Norden to see what
information is available. Conceivably, photographs might be located.
That memorandum listed 103 open or outstanding leads: http://jfk.hood.edu/...-67/Item 01.pdf
Eric Norden, of course, conducted the Garrison interview for Playboy magazine. He also wrote this remarkable essay for The Minority of One.
http://karws.gso.uri...ent-Norden.html
I think it is one of the best of the early articles.
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May 20, 1967 letter from Shirley Martin to Jim Garrison re Hugh Aynesworth: http://jfk.hood.edu/...ugh/Item 01.pdf
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I am going to post the book blurb for the 2013 edition of this very well done, very rare book by Joesten which was first published in 1968. I would love to get a copy of the Epstein article in the July,1967 issue of Commentary. The Edward Epstein article is titled "Manchester Unexpurgated" and it is on pp. 25-31 of the July, 1967 issue of Commentary.
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I recognize that members of the forum are justifiably going to be outraged and upset with this article based on a new book. But I believe it is better to be forewarned about this news story that may gain greater currency in the days ahead. Already the Daily Mail (U.K.) and the New York Post are giving it big play.
Was JFK a meth addict?
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Interesting article from The Washington Post:
Excerpt:
The work was painstaking and mind-numbing: One agent watched the same segment of video 400 times. The goal was to construct a timeline of images, following possible suspects as they moved along the sidewalks, building a narrative out of a random jumble of pictures from thousands of different phones and cameras.
It took a couple of days, but analysts began to focus on two men in baseball caps who had brought heavy black bags into the crowd near the marathon’s finish line but left without those bags. The decisive moment came on Wednesday afternoon, when Massachusetts Gov. Deval L. Patrick (D) got a call from state police: The investigation had narrowed in on the man who would soon be known as Suspect No. 2, the man whom police captured Friday night bleeding and disoriented on a 22-foot boat in a Watertown driveway.
Patrick said the images of Suspect No. 2 reacting to the first explosion provided “highly incriminating” evidence, “a lot more than the public knows.”
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William Trail was not a Marine "buddy" of Oswald, but he did furnish some information to the FBI on or about December 5, 1963.
Trail told the FBI that he "had very little contact with Oswald."
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From The World Socialist Web Site:
Britain's involvement in assassination of Congo's Lumumba confirmed
by Jean Shaoul
April 18, 2013
A senior British politician has revealed Britain’s involvement in the 1961 assassination of Patrice Lumumba, the Congo’s first prime minister.
The leader of the Congolese independence struggle from Belgium was brutally murdered just seven months after taking office on the direct orders of the US and Belgium. Britain, whose involvement had long been suspected, also had a hand in it...
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This article focuses on a long excerpt from a 1953 speech by Eisenhower. I found it most surprising, given the conservative tilt of his administration (Guatemala, Iran, McCarthyism, etc.). Also of note: not only is JFK given a favorable mention (unique in Counterpunch; recall Cockburn and Chomsky's bitter attacks on JFK), but the conspiracy to assassinate him and its political basis is acknowledged. This is also unique for Counterpunch. Along with several other assassination conspiracies, although Dag Hammarskjold is not mentioned, regrettably.
The author of that article, N D Jayayprakash, has been writing for Counterpunch for a long time.
COUNTERPUNCH WEEKEND EDITION JULY 9-11, 2005
50 Years After the Bandung Conference
Why the CIA Tried to Killed Chou En Lai
by N.D. JAYAYPRAKASH
http://www.unz.org/P...b-2005jul-00073
More by the same author: http://www.unz.org/A...r/JayaprakashND
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Is it reasonable,for so many deaths to happen to people associated with the JFK Assassination.There was a article once quoted in the London Sunday Times that the odds of these deaths occurring were one hundred thousand trillion to one.
From opednews.com
Executive Action: JFK Witness Deaths and the London Times Actuary
by Richard Charnin
April 16, 2013
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By 1968 Henry Wallace was dead. In 1960, he supported Nixon vs John Kennedy.
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I haven't read this whole thread, but since it's supposed to be about De Mohrenschildt's last day, I was struck by something I read in the JFK/Deep Politics Quarterly. It states that Bill O'Reilly in his book Killing Kennedy claims that he was on De Mohrenschildt's doorstep that day and actually heard the fatal shot.
If he does claim this, I wonder if O'Reilly knows or cares that Gaeton Fonzi in his book The Last Investigation mentions that O'Reilly called him that day from Dallas, where O'Reilly worked as a reporter, to ask him if the rumor was true that De Mohrenschildt had committed suicide.
Bill O'Reilly: "The spin stops here!"
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19604entry266111
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One of my all time favorite docs, ran across it last night while plowing through some files; do not recall seeing it here on the EF before .... I call it the, "Psssst, just say NO" doc.
Barb
Hello Barb, I was pleasantly surprised to see your post. I hope you consider posting a little more often.
Way back in 2004 Antti Hynonen (I miss his participation) posted a transcription of that memo: http://educationforu...1611
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I hope everyone takes note on 11/22 what the tv and the press has to say on yet one more sad anniversary with the cover story still intact.
Two years ago our local rag, The Austin American Stateman, on the 40th anniversary devoted the entire front page to the occassion. Only problem was it featured the nonsense of Ken Rahn. I was revolted. Austin is a very progressive town and we deserved better coverage than the rantings of some Lone nutter.
My letter to the ed of protest was not published, but my husband's was.
In 93 I had a long letter to the ed. published here and it was responded to by former AG Wagonner Carr. It was filled with lies, outrages ones. For example he said that he himself had fired Oswald's rifle and was "easily able to get off the 3 shots in 5.6 seconds". He tried to insult me by comparing me to ("the fradulent") Oliver Stone, but I took that as a great compliment!!
Please report coverage (if any) on the forum. I am still waiting to see the word "alleged" placed before the word assassin.
Dawn
Fifty years later and you'll still be waiting, Dawn. The following excerpt from a CBS News article is a typical example.
One exhibit, titled "Three Shots Were Fired," follows the events and news coverage that unfolded after Kennedy was shot in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. It will be on view until January, along with an extensive exhibition of photographs by Kennedy's personal photographer, titled "Creating Camelot."
For the first time, the museum is showing items from assassin Lee Harvey Oswald at the time of his arrest. The display includes Oswald's clothing, a jacket that police believe he discarded, his wallet, and the wallet's contents, including a card with the address of the Soviet embassy. There's also a blanket that was used to hide Oswald's rifle in a friend's garage. The objects are on loan from the National Archives.
http://www.cbsnews.c...for-first-time/
The word alleged (pertaining to Oswald) is likely to remain largely absent from the major media's lexicon during the months and years to come.
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As for the fly-away condition of this thread, I fault those among your detractors who, unwilling to focus on the material evidence of possible KKK involvement in the JFK assassination, change the topic to your other claims on your blog -- knowing that it will muddy the waters here. You're doing a decent job at keeping things orderly -- but it's like herding cats.
There is not even a speck of material evidence presented by anyone on this thread indicating possible 1963 KKK involvement in the JFK assassination by anyone from Terry, Mississippi.
People that have passionately studied the murder of President Kennedy for a good portion of their lives should not be expected to take kindly to attempts to hoax them.
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C. David Heymann (RFK: A Candid Heymann) does not mention the meeting with Mark Lane. Nor does Arthur Schlesinger (Robert Kennedy and His Times). However, he does include details of a telephone call LBJ made to RFK shortly after the assassination. LBJ told RFK that he believed that his brother had been killed as part of a "worldwide plot".
Schlesinger also includes this interesting passage:
Robert Kennedy perceived so much hatred about, so many enemies: the Teamsters; the gangsters; the pro-Castro Cubans; the anti-Castro Cubans; the racists; the right-wing fanatics; the lonely deluded nuts mumbling to themselves in the night. I do not know whether he suspected how much vital information both the FBI and the CIA deliberately denied the Warren Commission or whether he ever read its report. But on October 30, 1966, as we talked till two-thirty in the morning in P. J. Clarke's saloon in New York City, "RFK wondered how long he could continue to avoid comment on the report. It is evident that he believes that it was a poor job and will not endorse it, but that he is unwilling to criticize it and thereby reopen the whole tragic business.""
The next year Jim Garrison, the New Orleans district attorney, started making sensational charges about a conspiracy. I asked Kennedy what he made of them. He thought Garrison might be onto something; NBC, he added, had sent Walter Sheridan to New Orleans to find out what Garrison had. Garrison's villain turned out to be the CIA. Kennedy said to Sheridan something like: "You know, at the time I asked McCone . . . if they had killed my brother, and I asked him in a way that he couldn't lie to me, and they hadn't."" Kennedy asked Frank Mankiewicz of his Senate staff whether he thought Garrison had anything. "And I started to tell him, and he said, `Well, I don't think I want to know.' Kennedy told me later: "Walter Sheridan is satisfied that Garrison is a fraud."
I cannot say what his essential feeling was. He came to believe the Warren Commission had done an inadequate job; but he had no conviction - though his mind was not sealed against the idea of conspitacy - that an adequate inquiry would necessarily have reached a different conclusion.
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From The Dallas Morning News
Co-worker who drove Oswald to school book depository recounts Dallas' darkest day
by Scott K Parks
April 1, 2013
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Stephen Roy, trying hard:
Quote from the video: John Corporon: ...(the secret service on 25 Nov 63)...found out, that David Ferrie was totally innocent. Close quote
KK has taken some liberties in quoting Corporon. See about the 2:40 mark.
At about the 1:30 mark, Corporon says (bold added):
A few days later the FBI came....and the Secret Service came to visit me and they wanted to know what what I knew about one of Lee Harvey Oswald's friends in New Orleans. His name was David Ferrie.
Affadavit of John Corporon: http://www.history-m...orporon_aff.pdf
Brief bio on John Corporon: https://www.opcofame...orporon-1996-98
Limo model puts visitors where JFK sat during assassination
in JFK Assassination Debate
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From newsworks.org
Limo model puts visitors where JFK sat during assassination
by Aaron Moselle
April 25, 2013
http://www.newsworks...ocal/item/53958