Chris Davidson

Towner background stabilized. I stop the clip at the approx location where it ends in the above gif.

The first frame in this gif is when Betzner snaps his photo. To sync, look at the position of Jim and Tina's feet in Betzner. Refer to the previous gif which shows Jim sliding his feet back together after taking his photo, which occurs before Betzner's photo. About the time of Betzner's photo, Tina begins rotating her body as she pans the limo moving past her.

In Dorman, it looks like the cycle cops start their turns between the last two lane dividers on Houston St.

Tony, How does this path compare with the axle gap? The path being closely representative of Robert West's plotting of JFK's position within the limo every 25ft, along with where the Towner film has the limo crossing the first lane marker on Elm St and Bell's LOS aligning the drivers side limo front corner with the TSBD corner.

John, The outer lighter ring which extends around the head/arms of PrayerPerson is the area I selected using Photoshop to lighten the image. The far left image(without the lightened circle) is the original frame before the enhancements. There are three separate frames in that previous gif, the first frame in each is the original unenhanced frame. The white object being held is anyone's guess. Camera, coffee mug etc, etc

I wasn’t fooled at all. That is your mis-characterization of what I said after I ran the “shadow contrast and tonal curve” filters and stated “It looks like a woman to me.” I did not, nor have I ever declared it was a woman. Big difference. There were two frames in which the filter was applied one was more blurry than the other. The more blurred frame(after applying the filter) was the one in which I made the comment about looking like a woman. The other frame (also with the filter applied) was the one that Duncan enlarged, which is the one you are referring to and I have never said that frame looked like a woman regardless of whether they depicted the same person. This is the same crap I went through with others and previously had to correct them. You agreed with me that it looked like a woman’s face because the Darnell frames had not yet been discovered by Robin Unger and there was nothing else to compare the Wiegman frames to as they were the best quality frames available at the time. If anybody wants confirmation to what I have stated above ask John Iacoletti (I believe he is still a forum member here) as we went through the same BS on Duncan’s forum. John did a little research and validated what I just described. So, in the future, please don’t drop my name unless you have the correct information.

Joe, Well put. The apple doesn't fall far from the presidential tree.

Mark, The red arrows sync the same events in both films. The first red arrow (frame1) is Toni Foster (I believe that's her) and her forward step to a widened step. The second red arrow is Jackie's hand position in relationship to JFK's head. I recommend looking closely at the plat plotting I provided and where the LOS's from the Z/Bronson pedestals intersect crossing Elm St. That's where frame 1 begins. In the gif, 24 Z frames = 19 Bronson frames The ratio should be 18.3/12 An error tolerance of 1Bronson frame = 1.525 Z frames

After you do the math and realize Z needs more frames to fulfill its part of the ratio, you can view both films concurrently at their respective speeds (Z is a little under 19fps in this gif) and imagine adding back some frames to slow down our background jogger: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gBc4ceBDHGpRd_btku-JFercqiUla2KJ/view?usp=sharing

Once you have determined the difference of how many frames should have elapsed among two films with a common occurance, using their respective fps rate, move on to plotting the comparative film.

Hi Chris, Welcome to the forum. Here is a link to an informative discussion about the puddle. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/9768-blood-in-dealey-plaza/?do=findComment&comment=402521 And, some Darnell footage which shows the puddle at lower left on the sidewalk:

Maybe someone else can do the math now that they know what Bronson's frame rate was.

David, Using the previous post and real frame count, transpose Mandel's frame count description of his last two shots and work backwards from extant z313. Tim's overall average of .174ft per frame x 74 frames = 12.876ft is still close enough to fulfill Brehm's distance estimate. 74 frames +/- 1 frame is an important aspect of this. More to come on that.

Let me account for the total of 1.66 frames that so prominently shows up at the ITEK bump using what's been presented so far. Remember, I started the frame removal at extant z291 = 22 frames short of extant z313. 22 real frames x 3.3333 limo slowed frames = 73.3333 total frames 22.5 real frames x 3.333 limo slowed frames = 74.999 total frames 74.999-73.333 = 1.66.. frames = Itek match. It's important to understand this as it will help you realize the ratio being used for frame removal along with real total frames for a specific span. Here's further proof of this from Tim's paper in the form of total time. 4.1sec x 18.3fps = 75.03 frames Added on edit: This is all based on +/- 1frame

Now compare his jogging speed to Z's version when this is played at the correct frame rate. A closer look will also reveal he is bringing his right leg forward initally, followed by left and back to right. When you view Z, notice what leg is moving forward when he first enters the frame. Besides that problem, it's a hint on what will lead to a more keyed sync point among the two films if you don't figure it out beforehand.

That's not what I was geting at. If Z, Muchmore? , Nix and Bronson were all running at the same frame rate, then the same frame removal sequence would have been in order. But, if there was a film that was shot at a different frame rate, that would be a more difficult task to complete especially with moving objects in relationship to other moving objects. Compare speeds of our jogging man. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22692-swan-song-math-rules/?do=findComment&comment=426317 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22692-swan-song-math-rules/?do=findComment&comment=426644

Agree that Mandel was supporting the TSBD scenario. Even with that said, go back to the early SS/FBI plat of Dec5, 1963. Run the 74 frames forward from where I determined Station# 3+81.3 lands and where do you end up: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22692-swan-song-math-rules/?do=findComment&comment=392129 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22692-swan-song-math-rules/?do=findComment&comment=330783 Now continue on with the 48 frames that fill approx z291-z313. It's not necessary(imo) to implement 48fps slo-mo into the equation anymore. The same (extra frames) result was the limo slowing down/instantaneous stopping and extra frames created by its limited speed. Tim has shown with the mere removal of those excess frames the headturns are impossible. "Based on 18fps as reported in Life Magazine" from graphic above has to be based on Mandel's article. Anytime someone quotes specific frame totals, I'm all ears. I believe it was in 1959 that the changeover from 16fps to 18fps was approved. So, even though the 16fps designation remained on the camera's, it wasn't necessarily a reflection of it's stock speed. P.S. "All ears" has more frame sync's to add to this recent revealation that I'm sure you'll enjoy, just hang in there.

That is the Bronson film.

Look for her running cohort among the branches:

Paul Mandel from Life magazine Dec6, 1963 will give you an idea of the version he was viewing.

Let's add Charles Brehm for help with some of the distance. Tim's average true speed(2.33mph + 2.06 + 2.13) for the limo from extant z291-z317 = .174ft per frame Starting with Z291 to z313 = 22frames I'll use 48 frames(the reason in next post) as my real total frame count between z291-z313 .174ft per frame x 48 frames = 8.35ft 8.35ft + 2.379ft(plotting of headshot farther West down Elm, until Specter moves it that distance farther East and it's labeled as extant z313) = 10.729ft LIsten to Brehm and count the shots starting slightly before z291. BREHM expressed his opinion that between the first and third shots, the President's car only seemed to move 10 or 12 feet. It seemed to him that the automobile almost came to a halt after the first shot, but of this he is not certain. After the third shot, the car in which the President was riding increased its speed and went under the freeway overpass and out of his sight.

Now add the FBI's Webb analysis(credit Gary Murr) to Tim's frame removal study(z291+) and my ITEK Nix bump at the Z equivalent of z289-z293. This should provide a fairly accurate indicator as to when a major excision was beginning. imo

Sorry If I wasn't more clear on what the gifs represent. The previous two gifs concern only Glover and her jogging cohort in the background. Comparison purposes only, for what's coming up. That which relates to the current excision of frames discussion.

We can now incorporate more of Tim's work in relationship to my speed bump comparison from ITEK. This was very helpful as I could only plot an average speed from extant z276-z301 of 9.71mph. With that said, the average reduced speed between extant z276-z301(9.71mph) and extant z301- z313(7.47mph)= was 2.24mph. Sound familiar!!!