Chris Davidson

The proper name:

5 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

 

This image of Chris Davidson's includes an e-mail from Sean Murphy to Chris. In it Sean says the following:

"I am stone cold certain, though, after Altgens went out on the wirephoto it was touched up to put this fact [that it was Lovelady and not Oswald] beyond doubt in people's minds. This involved changing a raised right hand [of Carl's Jones] into Lovelady's lowered left arm." (Bold added.)

So he agrees with what I've been saying. FWIW.

 

 

I believe Bell/Hughes along with Altgens shows that as the left arm of a human being:

On 10/17/2023 at 4:42 PM, Chris Davidson said:

Previously identified:

Two different people with the same colored red clothing in two different films, seconds apart.

One is supposed to be Lovelady, who might the other be?

Is that red or reddish/brown or whatever shade of effing red you want it to be?

Response to Alan's previous posting:

I believe that's the extended shadow from the woman(left side of the mailbox) running towards the steps/building.

Another point being that when some videos are stabilized, even using inferior quality material, sometimes events become a little clearer.

So those that question these methods might want to take that aspect into consideration.

Added on edit: The object you point out could be part of a stationary shadow from the woman in white ahead of the running woman.

4 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

I don't think so Alan.

The frame above was shot when Darnell was panning from one scene to another, an action that blurred the image. Where Darnell was aiming his camera directly at the TSBD (not panning), the frames are sharper. And without the panning blur, you can see the true shape of Prayer Man's shirt collar.

Here's a frame when Darnell wasn't panning:

 

Click on the image a few times till it quits zooming in. And then press <Ctrl>+ several times to zoom in more. Note the non-feminine collar-line on Prayer Man.

The above was explained to me by Jake Sykes, on this page.

 

Yet when scaled:

Bookending body angles within the same photo:

Comparisons within the same photo.

Should Lovelady be head and shoulders above the rest?

8 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

LOL, wow! The head on Andrej's Lovelady model is also turned to the left! Same amount as with the woman!

Thanks Chris! You bring good stuff to the party, lol.

But what about Lovelady's body in Andrej's model? Is it also turned to the left? And if so, by how much (compared to the head). We can get an idea by studying this:

 

 

The body isn't turned much to the left if at all, compared to the head. (Remember, we're talking relative to the line-of-sight of the camera.)

If we look at this one again:

 

 

It seems pretty clear that Andrej has his Lovelady's body tilted rather than turned (rotated). Look how much lower the left shoulder is compared to the right.

In summary, both Chris and Andrej create what we see in Altgens 6 Lovelady, but in different ways for the body:

Head Illusion

Chris:       Achieved by turning head to the left.
Andrej:     Same

Body Illusion

Chris:       Achieved by turning body to the left.
Andrej:     Achieved by tilting body clockwise.

 

The question is, whose simulation describes correctly how the real Lovelady was standing in the real Altgens 6, Chris's or Andrej's?

I'll need to put some thought into that.

 

Remember,

It's Hughes, Towner, Bell, Altgens then Wiegman.

3 hours ago, Alan Ford said:

Where do those parallel lines lead to? The area where the mailboxes are:

 

 

Alan,

Welcome.

On a smaller scale with a little contrast added, albeit a little clearer:

Applying Andrej's model to both figures:

5 hours ago, Paul Bacon said:

 

Sandy, thanks for the interpretation of Chris' gifs.  I see it now, especially in light of your and Andrej's postulation of a face behind Lovelady.

 

What is the angle difference between the two faces in relationship to Altgens and does the angled difference dictate that Lovelady's chin/cheek/jaw line should block out more of the white(shirt)area than it is, just as she does.

8 hours ago, Paul Bacon said:

Chris, why is it that we don't see Lovelady's full jaw line and that tie-man's shirt appears to overlap his jaw? 

Shadow contrast applied:

2 minutes ago, Chris Davidson said:

Complete chin/jaw line should appear. 

 

 

I would expect something closer to this with no overlap:

4 hours ago, Paul Bacon said:

Now, if I could just get past the optical illusion that makes it look like the guy in the tie is overlapping Lovelady's left shoulder...

Complete chin/jaw line should appear. 

Different ways of looking at the arm orientation.

Which one matches more closely with what is seen in Bell?

Credit to Jean Ceulemans (I believe), for the post activity TSBD photo.

1 hour ago, Pat Speer said:

So are you agreeing with Sandy, or not? Ad if so, who is this Lovelady look-alike? 

My Martin/police station gif shows the same person.

If Sandy believes differently, I disagree with him.

That's as much as you should read into that statement.

btw, both those videos show the pocket too.

5 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

What? Sandy is saying that it is Lovelady in Altgens, but that it is someone else in the other other films, including the film in the police station. Well, who is this, if not Lovelady?

Yes. The same person in Martin and the police station video.

But that's not what I was indicating with the Bell frame.

The Bell frame supports what I quoted you on.

14 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

but of some other unidentified man wearing a shirt similar to the one Lovelady claimed he'd been wearing.

Previously identified:

It doesn't matter what Altgens version you use.

The family on the left might show you what is wrong with the figure in the circle.

On 10/8/2023 at 9:11 AM, Chris Davidson said:

The same as we see in Hughes:

Universally Lightened:

https://vimeo.com/874304340?share=copy

On 10/3/2023 at 2:59 PM, Chris Davidson said:

Perhaps the picture you saw included one of the two red clothed individuals we see here?

https://vimeo.com/870842433?share=copy

The same as we see in Hughes:

3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Are you out to lunch?

I saw a better picture which you did not see. 

Is that plain English?

 

Perhaps the picture you saw included one of the two red clothed individuals we see here?

https://vimeo.com/870842433?share=copy

1 hour ago, Greg Doudna said:

 

Try it on another frame from a different source.

Is there some-one there?

41 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

 

 

 

His presence was known for a while it seems. 

 

 

 

Yes David,

That document was around long before I located "J" in Wiegman.

Except no-one knew about this document afaik(made it public), until Bart gained access to Blunt's collection and revealed it many years after 2007.