Myra Bronstein

This is just an excellent thread Greg.

Wish I had something to contribute, but for now I can only read with interest.

Great work.

From Lancer:

... In March of 1963, Hemming traveled to Dallas, Texas seeking financial support for his Interpen group. One of the person contacted included former Gen. Edwin Walker, who was shot at by Lee Oswald a few weeks later.

Thanks Peter.

The whole thing's interesting. Esp the intersection of Walker, who I am certain was involved and am almost certain was funded by HL Hunt, and Hemming.

Noel Twyman also commented in his book on Hemming's intelligence. I would also second that. He was definitely one of the most intelligent people with whom I ever conversed and he possessed a remarkable knowledge of history.

I was very sorry to hear of Gerry's death. My condolences to his family and friends. I never met the man but I was on his email list for a few years, as I'm sure some of you were, and we exchanged a few personal emails as well. He was not one to mince words. I would like to share a quote from an email to me of April 15, 2006, which may evoke a smile from some, and perhaps a grimace from others:

"Mellen-Head continues to maintain an intense hatred of RFK and company, and her attitude IS: that anybody who is CIA (and doesn't "Fess-up"to something) must be an evil-doer. Typical Commie-symp/wimp horsexxxx that I've been exposed to (and forced to put up with) even before fighting in Cuba, Nicaragua, Santo Domingo, Haiti, etc. !!

And moreover, this is typical of the membership on Simkin's forum, which is just another apparatchik disinformatziya scheme for a bunch of wimp-ass arrogant suckers, none of whom have ever had the balls to put it on the line !!

Lou Ivon had some interesting things to say about Garrison & Mellen-head, and "Big Jimbo's" boasting of what exactly her relationship actually involved !!"

He might have been intelligent but he sure had problems showing it.

Why is it that the forum admin is the only person not to respect the request in the original post?

"If you can't say something nice, then please restrain yourself and leave no post at all."

(Emphasis in the original.)

Men like Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush aren't all bad.

Sure, overlooking a couple of million dead Vietnamese, a million dead Iraqis,

millions of addicts who got hooked on Reagan's contra coke, etc.

Johnson was planning to go to war and recognized the need to pacify blacks

before sending a disproportionate number of them off to 'Nam.

I could go on.

Didn't Hitler love his Mom? Not such a bad sort...

I suspect this is part of the answer. However, you have to remember that when LBJ signed the 1964 Civil Right Act he stated to associates that signing the bill had lost the South for the Democratic Party for the foreseeable future. This was true and enabled right-wing supporters of the Democratic Party to switch to the Republicans. The 1964 Civil Rights Act therefore united the right in such a way that it destroyed the potential of the Democratic Party as a progressive force.

I still don't see much courage in Johnson's actions. Forgive my seemingly limitless cynicism, but Goldwater already had the Republican nomination by this time. LBJ knew he only needed to swing slightly left in order to occupy the political middle ground. JFK knew he would have BG on toast if the Republicans nominated him and LBJ also relished his chances against this unsophisticated redneck.

Throw in the media's messianic support for LBJ in the aftermath of JFK's assassination, and the war LBJ started in August '64 against the 'communist menace' and LBJ was a shoo-in in '64. He wasn't too worried about temporarily alienating the right wing fringe of his southern constituency, because he knew he had the media to help him appeal to the wider electorate. After all, they helped him cover up the assassination, venomously attacking all WC dissenters.

Of course LBJ would portray himself to colleagues as some kind of courageous statesman gambling with his political future for the greater good of America. That's his familiar behavioral pattern. However, I've yet to see any genuine courage on LBJ's part in my analysis of his public or private life.

I always wondered about the Civil Rights Act and how incongruous it seems when analysing LBJ's career. I think Cliff Varnell hit the nail on the head and I'm kicking myself for not tumbling earlier.

Nice call, Cliff.

"People just don't realize how conservative Lyndon really is."

Bobby Kennedy, November 22, 1963

http://books.google.com/books?id=bVrRvYV7i...Kt8FJl8HeetH7FA

Yes, the civil rights act was incongruous. Lyndon was merely trying to get some good ink in the history books at the tail end of one of the most corruption-filled murderous presidencies in history.

Men like Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush aren't all bad.

Sure, overlooking a couple of million dead Vietnamese, a million dead Iraqis,

millions of addicts who got hooked on Reagan's contra coke, etc.

Johnson was planning to go to war and recognized the need to pacify blacks

before sending a disproportionate number of them off to 'Nam.

I could go on.

Didn't Hitler love his Mom? Not such a bad sort...

I suspect this is part of the answer. However, you have to remember that when LBJ signed the 1964 Civil Right Act he stated to associates that signing the bill had lost the South for the Democratic Party for the foreseeable future. This was true and enabled right-wing supporters of the Democratic Party to switch to the Republicans. The 1964 Civil Rights Act therefore united the right in such a way that it destroyed the potential of the Democratic Party as a progressive force.

Your comments are true John, but I'm unclear on the point you're making.

Yes, what great courage LBJ displayed.

Escalating the Vietnam war without telling the public. Using his position to enrich his wealthy industrialist backers. Accepting suitcases full of payoff money. Eliminating those like Marshall and Kinser who could have exposed his corrupt activities. Establishing the WC in order to enable Kennedy's killers to go scot free. Accepting a blue star for merely being an observer in a bombing mission over New Guinea in WW2 and pretending he was a decorated hero.

Great courage indeed. The quintessential coward, bully and murderer is what the 36th President was. And I'm probably being way too kind.

And I think Cliff's rationale for the civil rights legislation is spot on. First time for me, too. But it fits LBJ's pattern of deceptive behavior perfectly.

Now Mark, in all fairness it DID take some courage for LBJ to ride in the Dealey Plaza motorcade knowing well in advance that bullets would be flying, yet waiting as long as possible to dive onto the floor of his limo.

Men like Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush aren't all bad.

Sure, overlooking a couple of million dead Vietnamese, a million dead Iraqis,

millions of addicts who got hooked on Reagan's contra coke, etc.

Johnson was planning to go to war and recognized the need to pacify blacks

before sending a disproportionate number of them off to 'Nam.

I could go on.

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I will go on.

"Clinton's persistence in painting President Lyndon B. Johnson as the key enabler of civil rights for Negroes smacks of a telling irony. One could just as easily praise President Ronald Reagan for forging King's birthday as a national holiday.

As a nickel-plated, white Texan of his times, LBJ considered King's movement a nuisance early on; then, grasping its inevitability, the opportunistic president seized upon it. His view of King had Johnson referring to him as "that goddamn n preacher," according to a close White House aide. The Nobel laureate's anti-Vietnam War stance was blamed for helping sink Johnson's re-election chances, and LBJ likely took to his grave the notion of King as an uppity, N-word ingrate."

Johnson "not all bad"? I beg to differ.

I was angry when I heard HRC's comments re LBJ and the Civil Rights Act, too.

Fancy holding up that grotesque individual as a hero of the Democrat Party. It confirmed my suspicion of HRC and her glib superficiality.

As for Francine Torge, she clearly knows little about the respective contributions made by JFK and LBJ. If she wants to publicly hitch the Clinton wagon to LBJ and consign Obama to JFK, then she's erred badly and the Clinton team have misread history.

Ted Kennedy has every right to feel his brother's legacy was slighted. I'm glad he endorsed Obama.

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Nicely said Mark. I'm proud of Senator Kennedy for his response to HRC's slight.

This article has excellent information.

I am so friggin' sick of people lauding Johnson as Mr Civil Rights when he refused to help the elected president with his landmark civil rights package, in spite of the fact that he was his VP and former majority leader, so should have been of huge help. Then when he passes the warmed over legislation over Kennedy's dead body he gets all the credit.

The next time someone refers to the Great Society I'm leaping on 'em and tattooing this quote to their forehead:

"Senator Kennedy felt Clinton's LBJ comments were an implicit slight of his brother, President John F. Kennedy, who first proposed the landmark civil rights initiative in a famous televised civil rights address in June 1963."

Ronald Monerief Jr has just informed me that Gerry Hemming has died.

Unfortunate news, if so - which I have no reason to doubt. He died with many questions unanswered and many, many tempting loose ends dangling......

I didn't know GPH personally and had a small bias against his bashing of Plumlee. The nature of their mutual enmity unknown to me. I relish not the death of anyone.

Man of many mysteries. I hope he left some materials [either already out, or to be released upon his death] to help lift some of the fog. Not the moment to go into all this in detail, but some believe Hargrave and / or Vidal may have taken a flight to Dallas and, yes, that either implicated him or he was in some ways involved or set-up to look involved. R.I.P.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhemming.htm

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=g...G=Google+Search

Wow, I just heard.

Huge milestone.

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I'm respecting the request in the other thread not to post there if nothing nice could be said.

This morning I voted in the Primary. Of course, I voted Democratic. The Kennedys getting behind Obama really impressed me. And even as I walked to the building where I was to vote, I couldn't let myself vote for Obama. Because voting for him is like voting for a dead man. He's in the crosshairs. So I voted for Hillary and we'll find out this evening how she did.

Kathy

Hillary really beat Obama in the Florida primary. A very strong lead over him. Did the Kennedys endorsing him the day before put the whammy on Obama? Did people see him as a dead man, as I did? Or does the public hate the Kennedys so much that they voted for Hillary?

Kathy

Kathy,

Hillary was the only Dem to campaign in Florida, her "win" was inevitable.

Yet what she "won" was no delegates. Zero.

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2008/01/29/1...ut-no-delegates

So I think it's safe to say that the events in Fla had nothing to do with the Kennedy endorsements.

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Obama isn't in the same class as JFK, for instance.

Well that's certainly true.

Of course President Kennedy said things with substance, not just style.

So far Obama has not displayed the substance.

Still, IMO Obama's speech at the 2004 Dem convention was great.

I agree with what is being said here. Yes the 04 speech was terrific, but I have not been impressed since then. ...

Same here.

His voting record has been timid and safe, standard issue politician.

But I'm not 100% certain that he's part of The Machine, whereas I am certain Billary is.

Plus, the endorsement of the Great Ted Kennedy, and Caroline... huge.

Ultimately I want to hear from my (former) candidate though on whether or not he, Kucinich, is endorsing Obama.

Stephen, thanks, I cant help but notice that Tolson is underneath Hoover, as usual...

Well he served under him in a variety of positions...

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Obama isn't in the same class as JFK, for instance.

Well that's certainly true.

Of course President Kennedy said things with substance, not just style.

So far Obama has not displayed the substance.

Still, IMO Obama's speech at the 2004 Dem convention was great.

I feel similarly about Billary and Obama. They are hardly distinguishable.

I just am not going to buy the lesseroftwoevilism this time around. Not after four more years of having the Democrats prove that their true function is to make Rightwing extremism of the MIC SEEM mainstream by not speaking up about anything.

I think we have to step out of the fixed Corporate Election Game and criticize the whole thing, corporate democrats included. Even if the Corporate Dems win, they are not going to change anything. Suddenly we will find the legislative branch has risen from the dead and they will be calling war-mongering Democratic invaders of Pakistan "Leftists".

I dont know how anyone over 22 years old can come up with a workable lesseroftwoevilism type argument right now.

CHARLES GIBSON OF ABC NEWS IS THE ELECTION!

I agree to a point and am done selecting the lesser of two evils.

However, there is a significant difference between Obama and the remaining Dem candidates; they voted to invade Iraq and he didn't. Therefore they can never have credibility on the subject whereas he can.

I'm sure we all know by now that Caroline Kennedy (sans Schlossberg) endorsed Obama in the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/opinion/27kennedy.html

And now we're hearing that the great Ted Kennedy is endorsing Obama as well.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politi...ennedy_end.html

As huge as that is what really hit me was the location Senator Kennedy is chose to make his announcement:

"Kennedy confidantes told the Globe today that the Bay State's senior senator will appear with Obama and Kennedy's niece, Caroline Kennedy, at a morning rally at American University in Washington tomorrow to announce his support."

I'm very proud of Senator Kennedy for having the wisdom to take this stand... especially from this time and place.

"We must all, in our daily lives, live up to the age-old faith that peace and freedom walk together."

--John F. Kennedy

That totally jumped out for me too, Myra. I hope that Senator Kennedy will refer to his brother's beautiful speech of hope and peace when he makes his announcement. To this day I cannot read (or hear) those words without crying.

Dawn

I have the same reaction Dawn.

Im miffed as to what people see in Obama that will bring any change. He campaigned for lieberman, Ziggy B. is his top fo po man. And yes he Did praise Reagan for bringing change, I dont care how they want to spin it. It is dangerously delussional and disinformational to compare the change brought by Reagan to any change whatsoever going in the other direction: one kind of change is swimming downstream the other is swimming upstream.

What would have happened to the Republican party if Goldwater had praised FDR and LBJ in 1964? Even if he had these praises would have been counterbalanced by hundreds of haymakers aimed right at the nogin of liberalism.

Obomb'em DID make such comments about Reagan the terrorist, and there is rarely even a rabbit punch at the war mongers. All of his anti-war credentials are based on a vote from the free-throw line in 2002 in Il State Leg. Does anyone remember his unbelievably reckless comments about pakistan, extremisms that hardly raised an eyebrow from the Corporate Press.... oh that would be because it is rightward extremsism. And this about a country with nukes, islamic extrmists, ISI-CIA snake dancers and tribalists who are often grumpy. Just might be considered a rash comment by anyone not watching harles Gibson on ABC!

Honestly, I just don't get the enthusiasm for Barack and Bomb'em Check out his corporate funding from Open Secret site. He is virtually identical to Hillary Rodham Bush.

The only time I'm been impressed with Obama is when he makes a speech.

He's a great speaker.

However he's a standard issue politician from what I've seen.

My candidate, Dennis Kucinich, just dropped out of the presidential race to focus on reelection to congress.

No one else is in Kucinich's league.

Not even close.

At the same time none of the other Dem candidates are nearly as bad as Billary.

I'm sure we all know by now that Caroline Kennedy (sans Schlossberg) endorsed Obama in the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/opinion/27kennedy.html

And now we're hearing that the great Ted Kennedy is endorsing Obama as well.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politi...ennedy_end.html

As huge as that is what really hit me was the location Senator Kennedy is chose to make his announcement:

"Kennedy confidantes told the Globe today that the Bay State's senior senator will appear with Obama and Kennedy's niece, Caroline Kennedy, at a morning rally at American University in Washington tomorrow to announce his support."

I'm very proud of Senator Kennedy for having the wisdom to take this stand... especially from this time and place.

"We must all, in our daily lives, live up to the age-old faith that peace and freedom walk together."

--John F. Kennedy

The guy bottom right, anyone else see a resemblance? http://jfkmurderphotos.bravehost.com/reed4.jpg

Couldn't see anything at that URL.

Just got a message that "remote linking of images is not permitted."

Yeah Myra your right, must be a copy right thing.

But I was able to go to the site and see the image.

Wow, I've never seen it before.

Oswald getting arrested at the TX Theater.

I tried attaching it; we'll see it that works.

I can see why the guy you mentioned reminds you of Ruby.

There is a resemblance.

Max Holland, historian, has for the moment at least, obscured Max Holland, single-assassin theorist. In a new article on his website. Washington Decoded, he writes of a tape recently released by the LBJ Library. This tape is between LBJ and his most-trusted adviser. Abe Fortas. In this tape, recorded January 11, 1967, just before the autopsy doctors were rounded up to re-interpret the medical evidence, LBJ discusses the Kennedy assassination, and his belief that Bobby Kennedy is behind Edward Epstein, Mark Lane, etc. and the growing pressure from the media to re-open the investigation. At one point, he even suggests that if it weren't for Warren, Bobby would have had him indicted. To me, this supports the thesis, which I believe was supported by Talbot's book as well, that LBJ thought. rightly or wrongly, that Bobby suspected him of killing JFK, and was out to get him. Now, this may have been his paranoia at work. On the other hand, it may have been a guilty conscience. In either case, NO history of the 1960s can be accurate without reporting this mutual mistrust. Furthermore, NO history of the assassination plots on Castro, and the theory they were ordered by Bobby and backfired on JFK, is complete without noting that this was first pushed by Drew Pearson after meeting with LBJ during a period LBJ thought Bobby was out to get him and blame the killing on him, and that Pearson's column was published the day after Bobby spoke out against Vietnam.

http://www.washingtondecoded.com/

When the LBJ tapes were originally released, 7% were kept back for reasons of "national security". It seems this tape falls into this category.

Savvy researchers will not be surprised, considering that there is a LBJ tape with a 14 and 1/2 minute gap, not unlike the very famous Nixon tape with the 18 minute gap.....of Watergate fame. Although it is purely idle speculation, 2 to 1 odds say the deleted subject matter is the same......

Robert,

Do you know the date of the tape with the 14.5 minute gap?

Thanks.

The guy bottom right, anyone else see a resemblance? http://jfkmurderphotos.bravehost.com/reed4.jpg

Couldn't see anything at that URL.

Just got a message that "remote linking of images is not permitted."

According to Wikipedia (I know, I'm a hypocrite for reading propagandapedia, but for non-political non-historical subjects it can be ok... I know I know, I'm defensive about getting caught reading Wikipedia):

"There is a photo of [singer Tennessee Ernie] Ford with country singer Hank Thompson and Dallas nightclubs owner Jack Ruby in the 1988 book, "The Ruby Oswald Affair" by Alan Adelson."

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph..._post&f=126

How weird is that?

Myra,

here's the right link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Ernie_Ford

The photo was most likely taken when Ruby was running the Ranch House. Other notables Ruby hired while there included Tex Ritter and Artie Shaw.

See CE 1223

The Band (then known as The Hawks) may also have played there.

Whoops, thanks for providing the correct link Greg.

Interesting about Tex Ritter and Artie Shaw.

That's some good arcane knowledge.

According to Wikipedia (I know, I'm a hypocrite for reading propagandapedia, but for non-political non-historical subjects it can be ok... I know I know, I'm defensive about getting caught reading Wikipedia):

"There is a photo of [singer Tennessee Ernie] Ford with country singer Hank Thompson and Dallas nightclubs owner Jack Ruby in the 1988 book, "The Ruby Oswald Affair" by Alan Adelson."

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph..._post&f=126

How weird is that?

Hi Dawn:

On another post, today I believe, you related Walt's DVD, over 5000 pages so far......

Is what you have stated above meaning, that there is now no set forthcoming by Walt.....

Imo there certainly is great interest.....

Thanks....B

Bernice,

I was not able to get on the forum all day yesterday. I tried early am before court and got that "this page can't be displayed" thing. Same later when I got in. So could not respond to your question til now.

Walt is writing a massive book dealing with the chronology of things related to the JFK assassination. (I believe that is how he has explained it, though he is not going into any detail and it will be only made available to those who get his newsletter, which I do). But none of this involves Jay Harrison's work. It is Jay's research that Walt believes there may be little interest in. Those who knew Jay, or knew of him would totally disagree. He was an amazing deep cover researcher. He won't be found on the net because those who knew him and wished to remain on friendly terms had one rule : Keep his name secret. With very good reason he feared for his life. He also had zero interest in fame. He helped many a researcher. Jay was utterly devoted to justice in the assassination of JFK. Like Tosh Jay was there that day. (He was a cop). He was also mil intel earlier in life. It was there he learned how to do genealogy. So he had the ability- and the fierce determination- to dig deeply into the deep connections and backgrounds of potential players in this case.

I appreciate that Walt is very busy...but....

Dawn

Dawn,

How can we sign up for Walt's newsletter? Or can we?

If that's the only way to get his book... I want in.

Thx.

Myra

My question is: Just exactly how did Nixon expect Haldeman and Colson to accomplish such a difficult task and make it stick?

Bremer's diary. This is why Gore Vidal claimed it had been created by E. Howard Hunt.

An excerpt from an interesting 1998 article entitled New Chapters in Assassin's Diary? - FBI file on Arthur Bremer is analysed by Timothy Maier:

During a months-long review, Insight obtained Bremer's parole records and the once highly secret 5,413-page FBI report known as the WalShot Files -- a 26-volume package spanning eight years from the day of the shooting to 1980. Here too, for the first time, is not only a comprehensive review straight from the FBI archives but details from exclusive interviews with the lead prosecutor and defense attorney who, after 26 years, break their silence about the shooting of Wallace.

"I still have reservations about the case, and I'm not one for conspiracy theories," says former Prince George's County State's Attorney Arthur "Bud" Marshall, who prosecuted Bremer. "But it's worth taking a look at."

....What bothers him (Marshall) is Nixon's obsession with the case, particularly the failure to turn over Bremer's original diary, which the FBI had and provided to the White House. Or, as Marshall always prefaces it: "If you believe Bremer wrote the diary."

The thousands of pages Insight reviewed in the WalShot Files suggest Marshall's concern may be well-founded. The files show Nixon ordered the FBI to take charge and get the Secret Service out of the case. They show acting FBI Director Gray provided Nixon with daily briefings on the case. And they show the president personally ordered all materials seized inside Bremer's apartment be taken not to FBI headquarters but to the White House.

When Nixon learned the FBI made copies of the transcripts of the diary and provided them to the Secret Service, he ordered those copies surrendered and destroyed. He then told Gray not only to destroy all records indicating that the White House saw the diary but to issue a directive that "no one is allowed access to the subject, even [bremer's] lawyer." According to the file, Nixon was concerned Bremer might be tied to the White House "plumbers." He told Gray to chase down any plots to kill Bremer and to rule out all conspiracy theories beyond doubt.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m157...i_53409132/pg_1

Excellent find Mike.

And we learned in another thread that Thomas Bremer, brother of Arthur, worked at the stable where Sirhan was programed prior to be patsy'd for "shooting" Bobby Kennedy.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...mp;#entry133346

Research of the Bremer's bros can reveal much.