Myra Bronstein
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Ventura opines: almost certain!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april...ntura_warns.htm
Ron and Jesse Ventura got it exactly right (you're in distinguished company Ron
).IF Obama is actually a free agent, and not assimilated into the borg collective, he's in clear and present danger. It has nothing to do with his race. The MIC gangsters couldn't care less about color and gender; they only want to insure that a president understands business.
President Kennedy did not "understand business."
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...Watergate was a trap set to catch Nixon, ...
I'd be really interested in hearing your theory on why the CIA (presumably it was the CIA) set the trap for Nixon Stephen.
Either in this thread or another.
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It makes the context of his murder very clear, as well as the fact that he was coming out of retirement to be full time--world famous--activist, and getting results (e.g., getting the guy busted for pot out of jail within hours of his benefit concert).
Myra, are you reffering to the concert for John Sinclair the pro pot activist? If so that took place in Dec 1971, the hight of Johns political activism, not in 79-80.
Yeah, the John Sinclair concert. That's what I was referring to Stephen.
And you're right about the timing. Thank you.
The point being, that this world famous activist--John Lennon--had huge clout, visibility, popularity, courage, talent, and powers of persuasion. And he had shown all that with his penning of the song "John Sinclair," and his involvement in the Sinclair rally--which was successful and won Sinclair's freedom.
Sinclair received a 10 year prison sentence for possession of two joints, and had only served 3 years when the rally took place.
Then he was released 3 days after the rally.
That is a clear demonstration of clout, and is not the kind of thing the war mongering gov't wanted to see from the famous self-described "peacenik" who was coming out of a long retirement and recording a new album just as the corrupt Reagan/Bush regime was coming into office.
"After a long break from the business, feeling reinvigorated and full of ideas, Lennon wrote an impressive amount of material that later became the comeback album Double Fantasy, which he and Ono produced together. His single, “Just Like Starting Over,” was climbing the singles charts, and Lennon was thinking of starting a world tour, when his life was tragically ended."
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h3764.html
"In late 1972, when the "surveillance" was at its peak, John Lennon told humorist Paul Krassner, "Listen, if anything happens to Yoko and me, it was not an accident."
The FBI and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) tracked John at from at least his "Free John Sinclair" concert in 1969 until 1976, even though by then John had won his immigration battle and dropped out of not only political activism but public life altogether. This turned out to be a five-year period of seclusion to raise his newly born son, Sean. Sean Lennon was born on October 9, 1975, his dad's 35th birthday.
Placing a person under "constant surveillance" and ordering that person executed are admittedly two very different things. Nevertheless, Bresler's point is that the government did not consider John Lennon a harmless rock 'n' roller. John's political publicity stunts such as in his and Yoko's Montreal "Bed-In" and "War Is Over" were always capable of seizing the spotlight and speaking directly to tens of millions of young people who venerated him. With unfettered access to the world's media, his power truly was immense. Because of this, in some circles he was correctly viewed as the most dangerous radical who needed to be stopped. John Lennon was the most dangerous person in the world, to those whose interest is a world under corporate military rule.
John Lennon was assassinated only four years after the intense FBI and CIA surveillance ceased. In those intermittent years, James Earl Carter was President, a Democrat who kept the two agencies more or less in check. Matter of fact, about 1000 CIA was let go under James Earl Carter's Presidency.
But on November 4, 1980, when John Lennon's first album (Double Fantasy) in half a decade was climbing high on the charts, James Earl Carter became a lame duck President. I discovered a very interesting fact about the last three major assassinations in the United States. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Robert Francis Kennedy and John Winston Lennon were all executed during the time of a lame duck Presidency.
President Lyndon Baines Johnson became a lame duck on March 31, 1968 when he said to a national television audience; he would not run for reelection even if the Democrats wanted him to. Four days later Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated. Sixty-three days later, Senator Robert Francis Kennedy was assassinated after winning the California Democratic primary (RFK would have been the Democratic Presidential candidate against the Republican Presidential candidate Richard Milhouse Nixon, and RFK would have won the Presidency). On November 4, 1980 President James Earl Carter lost the Presidential election to Ronald Wilson Reagan, thus becoming a lame duck President. Thirty-four days later, the heartbeat of music for his generation, John Winston Lennon was assassinated.
In every single major assassination these black-op conspirator killers have actually had the balls to blame it on some poor deranged lone gunman. They have had a patsy or a mind controlled Manchurian candidate fall guy for the last four assassinations. President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Senator Robert Francis Kennedy, and the founder and leader of the most influential musical group The Beatles, the person who was his generations and about to be another generations leader for peace and love, John Winston Lennon.
Reagan's campaign was managed by career secret agent William Casey, who under President Reagan became the CIA's most freewheeling chief since Allen Dulles (who JFK fired). The new far-right administration would reassemble the intelligence services and grant them a cheerful carte blanche. Something quite interesting about William Casey, who just happening to die very quickly from a supposed brain tumor on May 6, 1987. He died without ever testifying in the scandal, which most certainly originated with him, the Iran Contra Affair.
The forces that tried desperately to neutralize John Lennon for at least seven years lost power in November of 1976. The Lennon's government dossier ends in that year. In 1980, as those forces were preparing to retake control of the government, "the most dangerous extremist" John Lennon emerged from retirement with the best selling album, Double Fantasy, and was promptly assassinated."
http://www.john-lennon.net/whoauthorizedth...fjohnlennon.htm
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...Secondly, as Len says, the timing is wrong, i could buy JEH, and Nixon deciding to have a thirty year old, politically active John removed, but by 1980 his mojo, as far as left wing politics goes, had well and truely waned.
Stephen that question has already been answered multiple times on this thread, if you'll just go back and read.
In addition, if you are interested in this subject then watch the movie The US vs John Lennon at the link I already gave:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=77...sus+John+Lennon
It makes the context of his murder very clear, as well as the fact that he was coming out of retirement to be full time--world famous--activist, and getting results (e.g., getting the guy busted for pot out of jail within hours of his benefit concert).
On edit: Replaced the URL since Mike said it doesn't work (thanks Mike).
The same URL given earlier in this thread works fine.
I encourage all who are interested in this subject to watch the film: The US vs John Lennon.
It should answer most, if not all, questions about why the Reagan/Bush CIA dominated gov't wanted John Lennon dead.
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INTERVIEW WITH MAE BRUSSELL ON THE ASSASSINATION OF JOHN ONO LENNON
http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%...assination.html
A short while ago we had the pleasure of talking to noted assassination/conspiracy researcher Mae Brussell at her home in Carmel, California. Mae was kind enough to share some of her thoughts on the murder of John Lennon last December 8, 1980 in New York City. She is just starting her 11th year of broadcasting on radio KLRB, Carmel, CA.
Tom Davis
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Tom: What would be the motive to kill John Lennon on December 8, 1980? Lennon had been in seclusion for many years and had not yet released his new album.
Mae: Both the date of Lennon's murder, and the careful selection of this particular victim are very important. Six weeks after Lennon's death, Ronald Reagan would become President. Reagan and his soon-to-be appointed cabinet were prepared to build up the Pentagon war machine and increase the potential for war against the USSR. The first strike would fall on small countries like El Salvador and Guatemala. Lennon, alone, was the only man (even without his fellow Beatles) who had the ability to draw out one million anti-war protestors in any given city within 24 hours, if he opposed those war policies.
John Lennon was a spiritual force. He was a giant, like Gandhi, a man who wrote about peace and brotherly love. He taught an entire generation to think for themselves and to challenge authority. Lennon and the Beatles' songs shout out the inequalities life and the messages of change. Change is a threat to the longtime status quo that Reagan's team exemplified.
On my weekly radio broadcast of December 7, 1980, I stated that "the old assassination teams are coming back into power." The very people responsible for covering up the murders of President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert Kennedy, Reverend Martin Luther King, for Watergate and Koreagate, and the kidnapping and murder of Howard Hughes, and for hundreds of other deaths, had only six weeks before they would again be removing or silencing those voices of opposition to their policies.
Lennon was coming out once more. His album was cut. He was preparing to be part of the world, a world which was a worse place since the time he had withdrawn with his family. It was a sure bet Lennon would react and become a social activist again. That was the threat. Lennon realized that there was danger coming back into public view. He took that dangerous chance, and we all lost!
Tom: The common assumption is that Mark David Chapman, arrested the moment he killed John Lennon, was acting out his personal love-hate relationship with Lennon. Why do you have to look for a larger conspiracy than the conflicts in Chapman's own head?
Mae: Single crimes of passion are easy to explain and easy to solve. When someone is gunned down who is controversial, has political enemies, is hated by wealthy and well-organized religious movements, and is an open opponent of government policies at home and abroad, that kind of murder requires much more inquiry into the background of the assassin. The conclusions about the murder motive may turn out to be simple. Yet, in every political assassination since 1963, there were always more unanswered questions that led to a broader supposition of intention to kill by a group of people rather than one single individual.
Tom: What is the first clue you look for if you are suspicious of a larger conspiracy to assassinate, whether it is John Lennon, President John F. Kennedy, or the recent attempts on President Reagan and Pope John Paul II?
Mae: There are necessary connecting links in every assassination conspiracy. If any link of that chain falls apart and becomes exposed, the parts of the larger plot are more visible. When every element of that chain holds together and is present in the evidence and testimony regarding any particular murder, there has to be a larger conspiracy. (See accompanying diagram)
The most important link in that chain is the selected decoy or patsy. Whoever is arrested at the scene of the crime, to the exclusion of other suspicious persons, becomes the "assassin." This single person must serve a purpose, namely, to divert all attention away from those people who have armed him and located him at the scene of the crime.
Letters and diaries are always present and easily located to support the predetermined cover story. They provide a "motive", and are the glue that cements (we are told) the "loner" to his single purpose.
In preparation for his "act", the decoy or patsy is moved across countries or overseas, traveling and staying at safe houses. He has no friends, no jobs, no means of support while at the same time staying at fancy hotels, spending lots of money, getting phone messages, and meeting lots of people. Very few people have the money to spend years in transit like these patsies, whose chances of being in selected locations at the precise moment their victim is murdered are minute and impossible without assistance.
Tom: Who was Mark David Chapman? What was there in his background that made you suspicious that he had been selected for a "decoy" or "patsy" by other persons who wanted Lennon dead?
Mae: Chapman came from a conservative military family who had moved from Fort Worth, Texas to Florida. He had become a "Jesus Freak" at the time Lennon and the Beatles were getting death threats during the anti-war period. Joining this movement while supposedly loving and admiring Lennon was a gross contradiction, for the religious fundamentalists were furious that Lennon considered himself better known and loved than Jesus.
DeKalb County, Georgia, just to the east of Atlanta, figures prominently in Chapman's life as it had some years earlier in that of Martin Luther King. In 1977 in a court affidavit, Robert Byron Watson, former employee of Magellon's Art Gallery, Atlanta, named several citizens as having planned and bragged about the "future murder of Reverend Martin Luther King." King's death came just one week after the plans were discussed. These same people also talked about murdering Senator Robert Kennedy.
Chapman attended DeKalb Junior College in the area where these kinds of plans were laid and such political anger was being vented. From DeKalb County, Chapman was sent to Beirut, Lebanon. He was handed the funds both ways. Beirut was the center for George Habash and CIA assassination teams also identified in the Watson testimony before the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1977-78.
On March 31, 1981, United Press International exposed the connection of "military training in a guerrilla camp" in Beirut, Lebanon to "worldwide Nazi ties."
After six months in Lebanon, Chapman went to Fort Chaffee, Arkansas to work with Vietnam refugees recently arrived from Southeast Asia. Members of the CIA were with him at this military base.
William Colby's Vietnam Phoenix program, staffed with agents who intensely hated the anti-war, social activists like John Lennon, had both the intent and the means to move persons like Chapman to their training camps and then to specific places planned as sites for future assassinations. Colby came back to the U.S. to become Director of the C.I.A. at a time (1973) when "Operation Chaos" was in full swing against the hippies, rock musicians, and anti-war protestors. Many of them were killed or otherwise neutralized.
From Fort Chaffee, Arkansas, Chapman moved to Lookout Mountain, Tennessee to attend Presbyterian College.
Martin Luther King, a victim of plans made in DeKalb County, Georgia, was murdered in Memphis, Tennessee. Senator Howard Baker from Tennessee and CIA Director William Colby were making deals to cover up Watergate crimes in 1974-75, year before Chapman moved to Tennessee.
According to news reports, Chapman "fled" Tennessee to Hawaii in 1976. His earliest arrest records indicated he had committed crimes in Florida, but the authorities later blamed these crimes on another person, excusing the mix-up as a "computer mistake." Many patsies and decoys have earlier arrest records that are used to keep them silent and actively cooperative for fear of going to jail. Was there any connection between the Florida identification and the reason for Chapman's flight to Hawaii?
Hawaii has been the scene of many clandestine operations. Many CIA Vietnamese and members of the Special Forces, now safely removed from Vietnam, were assembled in Hawaii. The Nugan Hand Bank, an Australian conduit for CIA "black money", actually assassination funds, kept a branch in Hawaii. Herbert Mullen, convicted of mass murders in California, appeared perfectly normal until he was sent to a military hospital in Hawaii. It was in Maui that he went through his "religious thinking" and evolved as a killer. Ed Sanders, author of The Family, a book about the Manson Family, obtained documents regarding a mysterious trip Mullen took to Hawaii before he later became a programmed killer.
The years from 1976 to 1978 in Chapman's biography are still vague and murky: two years of limited employment and "mental treatment." Allegedly, he was in the hospital for a mental breakdown. On the other hand, if there were any evidence of mental instability, would not his permit application to buy the murder weapon have been denied?
There were many years, months, days when Chapman could have been mentally programmed to become like the "Manchurian Candidate," specifically to murder John Lennon, if and when he re-entered public life. Lennon was not threat until the U.S. was getting close to another war.
Subsequently, Chapman took a long "vacation", including a trip around the world. During this voyage he made a trip to Switzerland to meet a pal from DeKalb County, Georgia, the same man who earlier had arranged the original trip to Lebanon. The journey culminated in London with a rare visit to a live Lennon concert.
Chapman's wife, who worked for a travel agency, "arranged his itinerary". The source of the money for his fare, hotels, food, concerts, has never been identified, although Pacific Holding Ltd., a "tourism" company formed by the CIA and Special Forces, may be implicated. Both groups had funds to hire assassination teams.
When Chapman left his job in Hawaii, October 23, 1980, he flew to Atlanta, GA. From Georgia, he went to New York City with the intention of killing John Lennon, but was apparently able to resist the "master inside himself", a conflict he describes, and returned to Hawaii. Before long, however, Hawaii was again behind him, and Chapman arrived in New York on December 5, 1980 with the specific plan to kill John Lennon, which he did three days later.
Tom: What you are talking about is only circumstantial. There is no proof that the CIA or any government agency manipulated Chapman for their purposes. When does the proof of a conspiracy ever become apparent?
Mae: The burden of proof of conspiracy is put upon the private investigator. The common denominator in all these cases are those links in the conspiracy chain (see diagram) which show the relevant questions to be asked: Were there other persons along with Chapman shooting at Lennon to make sure he died? Who fled the scene in a hurry, never sought again by law enforcement agencies? Why did the New York police adamantly refuse to accept pictures of Chapman taken autographing an album earlier in the evening of the murder? Why were they donated to a newspaper after the police refused to accept them? When Chapman's wife was called by the New York Police, why did they instruct her, "Don't release any picture of him."? How could Miami Police issue an erroneous description of a criminal record having the same last name, date of birth, race, and approximate height as the slaying suspect? Can we ever see the picture of the Florida suspect? If Chapman was treated for mental illness in Hawaii, how did he procure the weapon in Hawaii? How did Chapman transport the gun from the Island to the Mainland? (This question was dismissed by the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents, who said, "No investigation was in progress.")
Money was never a problem for this wanderer. He and his wife lived in a $400 a month apartment and were able to support his hobby of collecting expensive works of art. Owning original Norman Rockwell lithographs worth $7,500, and traveling around the world aren't impossible, if there is some kind of occupation that provides the money for these luxuries.
If Chapman wrote "John Lennon" on his job work sheet on October 23, 1980, it would seem impossible for someone not to notice this message until the day after Lennon was murdered. Employment log sheets are usually added up regularly to determine the hours worked and amount of pay checks. It is more probable that Chapman wrote this name at that time so that his cover story, his defense after the murder, would be his mental identification with John Lennon.
Chapman's intention to find Lennon, as just another adoring Beatle fan, must be separated from the question of who transported him from Hawaii to Georgia to New York, back to Hawaii, and back again to New York, with lots of cash, and with the sole purpose of killing Lennon.
Jimmy Breslin, New York columnist, was impressed that Mark David Chapman could be such a "good shot" with "no military background at all." But Chapman had been trained to shoot. He had learned to become a security guard in Georgia before his trips to Lebanon and to the many countries where he could have been instructed in killing. What about Ft. Chaffee? Why not shooting practice in Tennessee? What about military bases in Hawaii? What gives Breslin and the New York Daily News the right to make such statements without an inkling of Chapman's background?
Like all the other "loner" drifters, Chapman stayed at expensive hotels. His last evening before killing Lennon was spent at the Sheraton Centre Hotel in New York. He was carrying more than $2,000 in cash along with his credit cards. Where did he get these cards, and on what basis was the money earned and saved to establish credit to qualify for these cards?
Tom: You apparently believe there was a government conspiracy to assassinate and silence John Lennon which was conducted by the same people who murdered other political figures and musicians in the past eighteen years?
Mae: Absolutely! The federal government has maintained active programs to eliminate rock musicians and disrupt rock concerts. Senator Frank Church's Committee hearings in 1975 and the FBI Cointel-Programs clearly document the intent to break up any gatherings of the "new left". Nothing brought anti-war demonstrators together with political messages more effectively than music festivals.
There is hard evidence the CIA assigned agents to "investigate the music industry." After the murders of Tim Buckley, Jim Croce, and Mama Cass Elliot, more information surfaced about earlier mysterious deaths of Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, and Janis Joplin. Listed below, but not updated this past year, are some of the rock musicians who have died since the Huston Plan and the FBI Cointel-Program were activated. If these people had been taking any kinds of drugs, there is the distinct possibility that specific poisons were added to their drugs, enough to be fatal, to make it appear that they had died from a simple "overdose".
John Lennon Paul Kossoff John Bonham
Elvis Presley Jim Reeves Steve Parson
Buddy Holly Berry Oakley Bob Marley
Otis Redding Tim Buckley Sal Mineo
Brian Jones Jim Croce Harry Chapin
Jimi Hendrix Richard Earina Brian Epstein, Beatles manager
Janis Joplin Lenny Bruce
Jim Morrison Larry Williams Michael Jeffery, Jimi Hendrix manager
Duane Allman Bon Scott, AC/DC
Mama Cass Elliot Richie Valens Rod McKernan, "Pig Pen" of the Grateful Dead
Gram Parsons J. P. Richardson
Phil Oakes Ronnie Van Zandt
Marc Bolan Steve Gains Donald Rex Jackson, Grateful Dead mgr.
Keith Moon Sid Viscious
The murder of John Lennon is the tragic finale to an entire era, the reminder that once an artist becomes as popular and as political as he was, his enemies will be waiting to make sure his messages never appear again to awaken the slumbering youth.
Yes, exactly.
Between what Mae had to say and the material in The US vs John Lennon, it's quite clear how much power Lennon had, what threat he posed and to whom, why the US fought so long and hard to deport him, and what was done to him after the deportation efforts failed.
IMO the gov't assassination of Lennon is as blatant and certain as the gov't assassination of President Kennedy.
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In a related note--
Has anyone read this book?
The Covert War Against Rock: What You Don't Know About the Deaths of Jim Morrison, Tupac Shakur, Michael Hutchence, Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Phil Ochs, ... Tosh, John Lennon, and The Notorious B.I.G.
by Alex Constantine
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/092291561..._pr_product_top
If so what do you think of it?
Never mind.
If this chapter is representative of his level of writing, the book isn't even coherent.
http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.com/...d-to-death.html
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In a related note--
Has anyone read this book?
The Covert War Against Rock: What You Don't Know About the Deaths of Jim Morrison, Tupac Shakur, Michael Hutchence, Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Phil Ochs, ... Tosh, John Lennon, and The Notorious B.I.G.
by Alex Constantine
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/092291561..._pr_product_top
If so what do you think of it?
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Just stumbled across this blog entry that shows, in my view, that the gov't assassination of John Lennon is widely accepted as a fact:
"Bob Marley was an ambassador of universal global peace. That is why the CIA assassinated him. Great men who are a threat to the elites have been systematically eliminated time and time again (i.e., Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Robert F.Kennedy, and John Lennon).
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http://dillsnapcogitation.wordpress.com/20...e-white-devils/
Which raises the issue of Bob Marley's death...
He was, like Lennon, a hugely famous influential artist utterly dedicated to justice and human rights.
He survived one blatant assassination attempt:
"He was nearly murdered in 1976 when he refused to support the U.S. backed puppet presidential candidate of Jamaica. Two days before the “Smile Jamaica” festival Marley’s home was shot up with automatic weapons and he received two bullet wounds."
Nothing sneaky about that, no patsies or mkultra.
But what about his supposed death from cancer? Did he get injected Ruby style?
The below is the first claim I've ever seen that he did:
"The CIA finished the job when Marley tried on a boot that was ostensibly given to him by a fan (who was none other than Carl Colby, the son of CIA Director William Colby). The boot was fitted with a small syringe filled with a fast-acting cancer agent that ended his life prematurely.
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Melanoma can be injected into the host’s body. Here is a recent study.
“A History of Secret U.S. Government Programs,” notes that as early as 1931, there has been documented federal interest in the creation of a cancer-causing agents: “Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission.” In 1975, “the virus section of Fort Detrick’s Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) . It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses.”
What are the odds that the son of the CIA director would visit Marley at his home and give him a boot to try on? He yelled “ow” when he slipped it onto his foot. These are powerful inferences that may or may not validate my claim, but they warrant further investigation."
[All quotes from the URL already given.]
What do you guys think about Bob Marley's death? Did a second assassination attempt succeed?
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Phil Spector gives his take on the Lennon assassination. He ponders whether Mark Chapman was another Lee Harvey Oswald or a "dupe".
Absolutely positively without a shadow of a doubt Chapman=Oswald and Lennon=Kennedy.
See the film The US versus John Lennon at the below URL if you do have a shadow of a doubt:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=77...sus+John+Lennon
Also look at the timing, i.e., who was coming into office in just a few weeks and did not want a world famous peacenik dogging them.
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Was looking at some chapters of Bolden's new book.
So far the most interesting is his claim (pp.50-54) that one of the Secret Service agents lost his official identification while getting very drunk the night of
Nov. 21-22 at a Dallas club. In early December, according to his account the FBI told the Secret Service to stop all investigations. (Previously, it was also hindered by sinister people inside the Secret Service)
The most interesting thing to me is Bolden's claim that the SS replaced ALL of its identity booklets in late December of 1963. The word "The" was added to the cover, making it read The Department of Treasury. Bolden states that this was to divert attention from the lost ID book; the one that was lost on the night of
November 21-22 in Dallas.
People may have already discussed this, but could this be the source of the ID that was flashed by the person on the overpass, who used this to make the Dallas police officer leave him alone?
And could it be that the ID was taken from the drunk slob without his knowledge rather than lost by him?
However, at this point I rather suspect that the perps had all the counterfeit IDs they needed in DP so didn't have to use any real/lost/stolen ones.
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Probably another reason he was killed. Big Business. Like US Steel. As Eisenhower warned.
Kathy
Exactly the point. Motive.
He sided with working people vs US Steel, vs outsourcing, vs big business...
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It's time for another Civil War.
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It really is.
Long past time.
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Now what?
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Probably another reason he was killed. Big Business. Like US Steel. As Eisenhower warned.
Kathy
Exactly the point. Motive.
He sided with working people vs US Steel, vs outsourcing, vs big business...
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As someone who is outraged by tax incentives going to companies who send jobs offshore, I was happy to come across this, in USA Today of all places. I'm surprised at how long the tax incentive has been around. And, as is so often the case, I'm pleasantly surprised by President Kennedy's stance on the issue. The man was a progressive and a populist.
Guess the 1960's were not all that long ago, and today's issues are yesterday's issues deferred.
"By David J. Lynch, USA TODAY
Democratic presidential contenders Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama have cast it as an outrage that should be a key target for the next president: a tax break they say encourages employers to ship American jobs abroad.
The charge could be dismissed as typical campaign-trail exaggeration during a Democratic primary season marked by populism, except for one thing. Many analysts say it's true. "The U.S. tax system does provide an incentive to locate production offshore," says Martin Sullivan, a contributing editor to Tax Notes, a non-profit publication that tracks tax issues.
At issue is the U.S. tax code's treatment of profits earned by foreign subsidiaries of American corporations. Profits earned in the United States are subject to the 35% corporate tax. But multinational corporations can defer paying U.S. taxes on their overseas profits until they return them to the USA — transfers that often don't happen for years. General Electric, for example, has $62 billion in "undistributed earnings" parked offshore, according to recent Securities and Exchange Commission filings. Drug giant Pfizer boasts $60 billion. ExxonMobil has $56 billion.
"If you had two companies in Pittsburgh that both were going to expand capacity and create 100 jobs, our tax code puts the company who chooses to put the plant in Pittsburgh at a competitive disadvantage over the company that chooses to move to a tax haven," says former White House economist Gene Sperling, a Clinton adviser.
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The deferral clause has been in the tax code for more than half a century and has outlasted numerous reform efforts. In April 1961, even as U.S.-backed rebels were dying at Cuba's Bay of Pigs, President Kennedy asked Congress to rewrite tax provisions that "consistently favor United States private investment abroad compared with investment in our own economy...."
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/...ffshoring_N.htm
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The retired FBI agent served as a supervisor on what he calls the "murder investigation" of the president.
It has made him and a legion of G-men who probed the Nov. 22, 1963, assassination of President Kennedy among the most second-guessed people in history. And in some quarters, the most maligned.
Their efforts provided the bulk and heft of the 888-page "Report of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy" — otherwise known as the Warren Report. The report concludes Lee Harvey Oswald, a 24-year-old nobody, had single-handedly killed the leader of the free world.
A Gallup Poll taken shortly thereafter indicated more than half of all Americans didn't buy the lone-assassin story. Then came the books whose authors had theories. It was the Cubans, the anti-Cubans, the CIA, the military, the mafia.
But all these paled to Oliver Stone's 1991 film, "JFK," which essentially implicated every government agency except the Census Bureau. The only person not involved, according to Stone's fractured telling of events on that crisp Dallas day in 1963, was pretty much Oswald himself.
And now, as the 45th anniversary of Kennedy's death approaches and as Rogge's colleagues in the investigation are dying, 81 percent of all Americans believe it was a conspiracy, according to Gallup.
It is a statistic that just does not compute with this affable, 81-year-old former lawman.
"We were open to the idea Oswald did not act alone. We investigated every rumor, every lead, and found no evidence," he said.
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But there was no time for his grief. On Nov. 25, he boarded President Johnson's Air Force jet at Andrews Air Force Base. He remembers it was on the runway — fueled up, engine running — awaiting agents to board for the flight to Dallas.
Once on the ground there, the G-men received a police escort to FBI headquarters.
That's when the glamour ended. Soon, Rogge was putting in 16-hour days and summarizing each day's investigation for reports that had to be waiting on the desk of FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover when he arrived at 6 in the morning.
Hoover was notoriously demanding, Rogge said, and the agents believed he would catch any flaws in the investigation.
So not one of them anticipated the public skepticism after the Warren Commission released its findings.
And the bureau's official position to detractors was "no comment."
Rogge told me only one conspiracy theorist has ever interviewed him, although he is willing to talk to anyone about the investigation.
The years have faded Rogge's memories about the timeline of 11-22-63, but his descriptions of Lee Oswald's personality are vivid.
And to the lawman, Oswald's character is the strongest argument against conspiracy.
"Oswald wanted to create a name for himself because he had nothing going for him in life," Rogge said. "If he had lived, he would have said, I made history and I did it myself.'"
Rogge wants to be clear about this. Yes, there could have been a conspiracy in the killing of the president. But the investigation turned up zero evidence of collusion.
Because I am with the majority of Americans who believe Oswald did not act alone, I peppered Rogge with questions.
What of the reports, I asked him, of a shooter on the so-called grassy knoll? Credible people such as police officers and Secret Service agents reported they believed the assassin fired from that locale.
Investigators, he told me, found absolutely no physical evidence of a weapon being fired.
He remembers well the efforts made to do just that.
Accusing a man does give you a window into his soul.
But as long as Richard Rogge survives, we have a window of opportunity to reach better informed conclusions about what happened that day in Dallas.
— E-mail this Star columnist at ccason@VenturaCountyStar.com."
http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008...-in-the-dark-g/
Once again, that quote is:
"We were open to the idea Oswald did not act alone. We investigated every rumor, every lead, and found no evidence," he said.
But hey, he's open to being interviewed. FWIW.
On the other hand I'm pleasantly surprised that a Colleen Cason seems to be a journalist who is open to the truth.
(http://www.venturacountystar.com/staff/colleen-cason/contact/)
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Amazon lists this as an upcoming title:
http://www.amazon.com/JFK-Unspeakable-Why-...4869&sr=1-2
"Madison, Wis. (March 11, 2008) – Author Jim Douglass will present a talk detailing his new book, JFK and the Unspeakable, Why He Died and Why It Matters, at Edgewood College. The presentation, which is open to the public, will be held at 7:00 pm, Thursday April 17, 2008. The event is in Anderson Auditorium, and there is no admission charge. The author will be available to sign copies of his new book during a reception immediately after the presentation.
The author calls his work “an experiment into the truth of John F. Kennedy’s assassination.” In the book, Douglass looks at that event in conjunction with the assassinations of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, and Robert F. Kennedy. Douglass says he’ll share some of what he’s discovered about these four events, which he says may be seen as part of the same astonishing story. He says the shared commitment to a vision of peace and justice involved great risk and suffering. And he argues, in the case of each visionary, there were fatal consequences of that commitment.
A lifelong activist, and a strong proponent of a theology and lifestyle of non-violence, Douglass is co-founder of Mary’s House, a Catholic Worker house in Birmingham, Ala.
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Trailer @
Article @ http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/eveningstanda...33390a6503.html
"The assassination of JFK was one of those events that changed America and the way it is seen by the rest of the world," says Seamus. "The Big Three are JFK, Pearl Harbour and 9/11."
In the years immediately following World War II America was everyone's friend and unquestionably The Good Guy, he says. Now, this has eroded to distrust and events such as the assassination and 9/11 have become wreathed in conspiracy theories.
The result has been the birth of a conspiracy industry and the dehumanising of the victims, he says. Imagining The Kennedys seeks to offer a more humane alternative.
The trio are quick to point out that their documentary doesn't set out to solve the "mysteries" proposed by the conspiracy theorists. Rather, it looks at the impact of the event on people like Seamus half a world away from the infamous Grassy Knoll.
After being grounded in Palmerston North, "Imagining" takes Seamus to the United States where he visits arenas in which the Kennedys of the JFK era played out their lives.
In Palmerston North, the impact of the assassination is recorded in street names such as John F Kennedy Drive, Connally Place and Langley Avenue.
John Connally was a passenger in President Kennedy's car and was seriously injured by a bullet some say was fired 4.9 seconds after the president received his fatal head wound. At the time Connally was governor of Texas and Secretary of the Navy and the Treasury.
Langley, Virginia, is where the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency is situated and the agency has continued to be linked with the conspiracy theories.
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"It's a personal story where we get to see things we have heard about and read about for years. It's not about solving the mystery of what happened. The mystery has been solved for me for quite some time."
For the record he believes Oswald was set up to be caught as a cover for another shooter.
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Wow. That is an excellent devastating article Nathaniel. Thanks for the link(s
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Someone, please assure me that Senator Obama knows some history--even if you have to lie to me...
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-115
"S. 115: Oil SENSE Act
Bill Status
Introduced: Jan 4, 2007
Sponsor: Sen. Barack Obama [D-IL]
Status: Introduced
Go to Bill Status Page
Introduced in Senate: This is the original text of the bill as it was written by its sponsor and submitted to the House for consideration.
Text of Legislation
S 115 IS
110th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. 115
To suspend royalty relief, to repeal certain provisions of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, and to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal certain tax incentives for the oil and gas industry.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
Mr. OBAMA introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance
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My goodness.....
but this will not solve Dallas nor our loss of Democracy since.
Next.
I think Doug started this thread to give us a few lighthearted moments, a break from reality, so to speak.
all work, Jack, and no play?
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"Obama should not allow Hillary Clinton to claim the post of vice presidential nominee � it will be a landslide victory for McCain in that case
Sonia Chopra
Mar. 7, 2008
You cannot become a vice presidential nominee when you call your presidential nominee less qualified than the rival McCain. A Hillary Clinton in the ticket also is a major physical threat to Obama. The history of 1960 can repeat. In 1960, the establishment never liked John F. Kennedy. They forced Johnson into the ticket. President Kennedy was assassinated a few years later and establishment won with Johnson as their new President for a long time. The history can repeat again with Hillary Clinton as the vice presidential nominee. The establishment and traditional especial interest driven Democrats are behind Clintons. Their days in politics are numbered. However, they are pushing for joint ticket.
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...While researching a story on the Democratic Leadership Council for the internet magazine Black Commentator in April and May of 2003, I ran across the DLC's “100 to Watch” list for 2003, in which Barack Obama was prominently featured as one of the DLC's favorite “rising stars”. This was ominous news because the DLC was and still is the right wing's Trojan Horse inside the Democratic party....I see no evidence that Obama is linked to the DLC Mike, and this excerpt offers no evidence.It merely implies.The main relevant link is the CFR.JackThanks Jack.
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...While researching a story on the Democratic Leadership Council for the internet magazine Black Commentator in April and May of 2003, I ran across the DLC's “100 to Watch” list for 2003, in which Barack Obama was prominently featured as one of the DLC's favorite “rising stars”. This was ominous news because the DLC was and still is the right wing's Trojan Horse inside the Democratic party....I see no evidence that Obama is linked to the DLC Mike, and this excerpt offers no evidence.It merely implies.
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$623 billion for just one year--more than the rest of the world's military spending combined.
All this and not an enemy aircraft in sight.
If you don't count Air Force One.
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Foxnews looks like a B grade fifties sci-fi movie---but much less endearing.
Thanks Mark, I enjoyed that.
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Will Barack Obama be Assassinated?
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Maybe your self-righteous act would go over better on a forum that is not dedicated to discussing assassination.