Duane Daman

Post #15 on the BAUT forum. You think because the author got one person's name or title wrong , that ALL of the other information he provided is incorrect? ... I don't believe it gets any more closed minded than that ! The fact that the number 13 is considered to be THE UNLUCKY NUMBER adds even more fuel to the Apollo 13 myth fire, with it's alleged accident ... Or is that occult connection beyond your closed minded comprehension also ? You still haven't addressed the relevance of the 13:13 time or April 13th as being the date of this alleged disaster either . No ... I don't believe your trash ... Or NASA's either.

You guys are gonna love this article I found ... I haven't even had time to read it yet .. but I just had to post it ! The New NAZI ET Lie ...... Nazis And The Grays ...... Nazis and ET technology - reality or delusion? http://greyfalcon.us/restored/Nazis%20and%...0technology.htm

Congrats on your bait accomplishing exactly what you intended ... Ridicule of the conspiracy evidence, by comparing it to subjects that have absolutely no relevance to the discussion is also something you do so well . Just because there is no empirical evidence that the Apollo 13 explosion was staged, doesn't mean I'm wrong.... I noticed you only addressed what I wrote and not the evidence that's contained in the article I posted, which was the only reason I replied to your bait . I know that those who defend Apollo always have to have the final say, as that is part of your game as well .. So let's get your opinion on the numbers ... Coincidence, or one huge slap in the face to anyone with any form of open minded intelligence ? "Hoagland argues that, contrary to the popularly believed "failure" en route to the moon, Apollo 13 actually may have been sabotaged in a "metaphysical power play".. He postulates that .dark forces. in the intelligence community deliberately staged the "accident" at exactly 55 hours, 54 minutes and 53 seconds into the key numbered lunar flight. He notes that the purported "explosion" of an oxygen tank aboard the spacecraft took place on April 13th, which he finds quite bizarre, because the mission itself was deliberately launched just days before at precisely 13:13 GMT. Hoagland interprets this as an "inside code" for an extremely crucial event in the "metaphysical history" of both the Freemasons and the Nazis - the arrest of the Knights Templar, on October 13th, 1307." 55 hours 54 minutes 53 seconds ... April 13th ... 13:13 GMT..... The numbers 13 and 33 sure did crop up a lot during the Apollo missions ... "All names, missions, landing sites, and events in the Apollo Space Program echoed the occult metaphors, rituals, and symbology of the Illuminati's secret religion. The most transparent was the faked explosion on the spacecraft Apollo 13, named "Aquarius" (new age) at 1:13 (1313 military time) on April 13, 1970 which was the metaphor for the initiation ceremony involving the death (explosion), placement in the coffin (period of uncertainty of their survival), communion with the spiritual world and the imparting of esoteric knowledge to the candidate (orbit and observation of the moon without physical contact), rebirth of the initiate (solution of problem and repairs), and the raising up (of the Phoenix, the new age of Aquarius) by the grip of the lions paw (reentry and recovery of Apollo 13). 13 is the number of death and rebirth, death and reincarnation, sacrifice, the Phoenix, the Christ (perfected soul imprisoned in matter), and the transition from the old to the new. Another revelation to those who understand the symbolic language of the Illuminati is the hidden meaning of the names of the Space Shuttles, "A Colombian Enterprise to Endeavor for the Discovery of Atlantis... and all Challengers shall be destroyed." "C. Fred Kleinknect, head of NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Program, is now the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off. All of the first astronauts were Freemasons. There is a photograph in the House of the Temple in Washington DC of Neil Armstrong (* I believe this is actually referring the famous photo of Buzz Aldrin ) on the moons surface (supposedly) in his spacesuit holding his Masonic Apron in front of his groin. The recent revelations of the fraudulent nature of NASA and the Apollo space program by the Intelligence Service and others has resulted in a flood of propaganda, television programs, and films designed to keep the sheople trapped in a deep ignorant sleep. The most ambitious are "Apollo 13" and "From the Earth to the Moon", both involving the actor/producer Tom Hanks. The latter opens with a monologue by Mr. Hanks who walks forward revealing a huge representation of the "God" Apollo (Sun, Osiris, lost word, etc.) guiding his chariot pulled by 4 horses through the heavens." http://www.mt.net/~watcher/masonapollo.html Apollo 13 patch http://imageevent.com/firesat/symbolsandlo...amp;s=0&z=2

Apparently you have no respect for anyone's wishes on this forum ... I stated that I had no more interest in discussing Apollo with any of you but you just keep tossing out the bait , hoping that I will bite, so you and your pals can continue your game of ridiculing an Apollo Hoax CT. You are asking for evidence of something which can't be found, if I play by your rules.... NASA most likely got away with the scam of the century with their Apollo Program, but proving that with empirical evidence is a bit difficult when they have stacked the deck in their favor every step of the way. The official story is that the Apollo 13 service module exploded while the craft was in deep space near the Moon ... And the review board concurred that the "accident" happened exactly as was reported .... and that's the end of the story ... Or maybe I should say, the end of NASA's story. So can I prove that their "explosion" story didn't happen as they claimed it did ? ... Of course not ... but I can offer my opinion as to what happened and why .. but of course my opinion is not good enough because all you want to deal with are NASA's alleged facts, whether they be true or not... NASA can and does make any claim they please and who's to say their version of the story is not true ? ... God forbid if anyone has the audacity to question NASA's version of the story ! Well, guess what Evan ? ... Millions of people not only question NASA's Apollo stories but flat out don't believe them . I made the claim that I believed the Apollo 13 mission was staged .... I thought I had found evidence that some of the DAC footage had been staged , but then all of you played such a good game with that, both here and on YouTube, that the CT who uploaded that video clip there, decided to remove it ... So it looks as if the Apollo defenders "won" another one ... Which I'm sure makes you all very happy.... Cuz as Evan likes to say .. Any day I can give a good pasting to some stupid, ignorant, dumb , hoax believer is a good day ! I can't provide empirical proof that the Apollo 13 "explosion" was staged but I can give you the reasons why millions of people like me believe it was ... and to do that I will quote another CT, Richard Hoagland, who has no doubt that Apollo 13 was staged, even if he can't provide the empirical evidence to prove it . I have no doubt that after I post the reasons why I and other CT's think the Apollo 13 mission was as phony as a three dollar bill and as transparent as glass, that you will say that I didn't answer your question and then make fun of my beliefs and pick apart every aspect of this "theory", in your typical fashion ... but I will post it anyway . "At the close of the war, the Allies took over what remained of Hitler.s Gestapo and intelligence network. Project Paperclip was so-named because the photos of the former Nazis, who were being admitted to the U.S., were paper-clipped to their files. James Bamford.s The Puzzle Palace traces how, beginning with German scientists such as Werner von Braun, these former Nazi .assets. were amalgamated into what became the CIA and NSA. Few Americans would question just how much credit is due to German scientists, working in secrecy in post-war America, for the progress of U.S. advances in rocketry and space research. The lingering question that many find upsetting is the extent to which .Nazi intelligence. was incorporated into U.S. intelligence agencies in post-War America - and whether what was incorporated was more than information, but something so fundamental it secretly changed the .character. of America in some inimical way. If, in fact, the officially arranged incorporation of former Nazis into the U.S. intelligence network ended up reshaping intelligence strategy in a manner that ultimately undermines American ideals, some feel that NASA did not escape a similar influence. Hoagland, for one, laments that NASA, which Eisenhower founded (and JFK vastly expanded) as an "open and public" space program - a program dedicated to sharing its discoveries with all humankind - may have turned into another kind of organization along the way. Extreme secrecy in space research was supposed to occur only in military space programs. In its pure conception, NASA was to be neither military nor enshrouded in secrecy. It was never intended to be a "captive" of America's intelligence network, including the CIA and NSA. It was dedicated to the principal that space exploration, as exemplified by NASA, was primarily to be for the benefit of all humankind and for the advancement of knowledge, wherever the research and discoveries might lead. Hoagland has a very controversial theory that all of that may have changed thirty years ago, at the time of the disaster aboard lunar mission Apollo 13. That was the moment Hoagland cites as the time of a possible "coup" within NASA, in which the secret intelligence network (which he implies operated under metaphysical Nazi inspiration) finally "took control" in an attempt to end the rest of the Apollo Program. Hoagland argues that, contrary to the popularly believed "failure" en route to the moon, Apollo 13 actually may have been sabotaged in a "metaphysical power play".. He postulates that .dark forces. in the intelligence community deliberately staged the "accident" at exactly 55 hours, 54 minutes and 53 seconds into the key numbered lunar flight. He notes that the purported "explosion" of an oxygen tank aboard the spacecraft took place on April 13th, which he finds quite bizarre, because the mission itself was deliberately launched just days before at precisely 13:13 GMT. Hoagland interprets this as an "inside code" for an extremely crucial event in the "metaphysical history" of both the Freemasons and the Nazis - the arrest of the Knights Templar, on October 13th, 1307. Though some of Hoagland's critics have accused him of flights of fancy and extreme paranoia, reasonable people have an obligation to consider the lineage of NASA's power elite. That would include the lineage of NASA's cohort, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which has been the engineering headquarters behind so many unmanned space flights. Both NASA and JPL have strong links to the National Security Agency, which in turn (as you'll recall) was founded from the MAGIC team of William Friedman who cracked the Nazi Enigma code. Lou Allen, who headed JPL for many years (and was a strong colleague of the late Dr. Carl Sagan in the Planetary Society), had been head of the National Security Agency. Daniel Goldin, who currently heads NASA, has a background from TRW, where he worked on many "Black Budget" projects of secret military origin. Recently, Goldin made a startling revelation - that JPL falls under the jurisdiction of the JPL Oversight Committee based at Caltech, and that Admiral Bobby Ray Inman is the head of that oversight Committee. This is utterly new and startling information. Like Lou Allen, Admiral Inman also served for awhile as head of the National Security Agency. Most interestingly, about a decade ago, there were a series of bizarre reports from one Robert Oeschler, describing his interviews with Admiral Inman in which very strong hints were dropped by Inman about UFO reality, and the reality of a group that controls UFO-related information, much like MJ-12. Those reports warrant rereading today in light of the recently revealed connection between Admiral Inman and JPL, in the aftermath of several apparent JPL failures in Mars missions. In a theory that could topple the history of the space program as we think we know it, Hoagland proposes that at least some of those supposedly .failed. missions, going back to the Mars Observer, were actually successful. Unfortunately, the public was told otherwise, specifically so that critical data involving extraterrestrial artifacts would not have to be publicly revealed. He states that America's master spies are now the ones "pulling the strings." The tragedy, as he puts it, is that NASA has lost the freedom and independence and openness of its original grand vision and mission. In the eyes of those who are concerned about a possible conspiratorial course of events in the space program, "truth" and "honesty" in NASA became yet another casualty of the bullets that ended the JFK Presidency." http://archive.alienzoo.com/filmandtv/nazienigmacode.html

I found an interesting Wikipedia article about gravity control propulsion technology and the UFO/alien connection... Here is an excerpt from the article . United States gravity control propulsion initiative UFO and conspiracy theories On May 9, 2001, Mark McCandlish testified on the televised news conference held by the Disclosure Project, at the National Press Club, Washington, D.C. He stated gravity control propulsion research had started in the fifties and had successfully reverse engineered the vehicle retrieved from the Rosewell crash site to build three Alien Reproduction Vehicles by 1981.[5] McCandlish described their propulsion systems in terms of Thomas Townsend Brown's gravitators and provided a line drawing of its interior. The diagram closely resembled the drawing provided earlier in Milton William Cooper's book. Another Disclosure Project whistleblowers, Lt. Col Philip J. Corso, stated in his book the craft retrieved from the second crash site at Roswell, New Mexico, had a propulsion system resembling Thomas Townsend Brown's gravitators.[49] And, Corso's book featured several gravity control propulsion statements made by Professor Hermann Oberth. Soon after America had won the Cold War, a small group of scientists and engineers openly expressed their desire to use technologies developed by black projects for civil applications.[50] Dr. Steven Greer formed the Disclosure Project in 1995 to help those and other research whistleblowers share their information with and to petition Congress. By 2001, it had provided reports to two Congressional hearings and had acquired over 400 members from branches of the military and aerospace industry. During the early 1960s, Keyhoe published excerpts from a letter by Hermann Oberth that presented explanations for the flight characteristics of UFO's in terms of gravity control propulsion.[13] Keyhoe also stated forty-six unclassified G-projects had been confirmed by a 1965 research report from the Smithsonian Science Information Exchange, Smithsonian Institution. During his press conferences on February 2, 1955 in Bogotá, Colombia, and February 10, 1955 in Grand Rapids, Michigan, the famous aviation pioneer, William Lear, stated one of his reasons for believing in flying saucers was the existence of American research efforts into antigravity.[51] Talbert's series of newspaper articles about the gravity control propulsion initiative were published during the Thanksgiving week of that year. UFO and conspiracy theory literature The initiative has been the subject of widely published UFO and conspiracy theory literature. The documented testimonies of whistleblowers edited by Dr. Steven Greer, Director of the Disclosure Project;[9] anecdotes and schematics by Mark McCandlish and Milton William Cooper;[9][10] and the reports by Philip J. Corso,[11] David Darlington,[12] and Donald Keyhoe,[13] famous UFO researcher, have suggested incorporation of reverse engineering of recovered extraterrestrial vehicles with the anti-gravity propulsion projects had enabled the initiative to continue beyond 1973 to successfully manufacture gravity control propulsion vehicles. Branches of the military and defense agencies have denied and refuted such claims. More here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...sion_initiative

The subject would be categorized as a political conspiracy because of the government and military involvement in the cover-up . Here's an interesting video about UFO's that might get the discussion started. Most accurate Investigation into UFO's ever http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtVOhAl2ks

David , Thanks for starting this new thread ... Maybe you could ask one of the moderators to move our discussion from the "Scientific Knowledge Being Withheld" thread, beginning at my post #28... I didn't mean to intrude on Wade's discussion about the ET/FE subject, and I would like to apologise to him for doing that.

Let's just hope they all aren't driving when the Rapture comes .

James ... That was a very interesting video about Nick Cook's UFO investigation ... I'm glad to see that he admited at the end, that not all UFO's can be explained away as being back ops military stealth technology. My question to anyone who attempts to completely dismiss the extraterrestrial explanation is this ... Since humans on this planet have been seeing strange, often saucer shaped, unidentified flying objects in the skies since the dawn of civilization, how could those numerous ancient sightings possibly be US military stealth technology ? I found this video on YouTube about UFO's as well .. It shows top secret Nazi plans for anti-grav saucer technology ... I don't know how much of this evidence is true or not , but if the Nazi rocket scientists had already developed this type of advanced technology, then what were they doing wasting everyone's time developing antiquated junk like the Saturn V rocket, the Apollo Comand Module and the unwieldly Lunar Module ? ... Why not just fly a manned anti-grav saucer to the Moon and get there a whole lot faster ? This clip is worth watching if only for the Carmina Burana soundtrack. UFOs Made in Germany! - Real Footage http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=by3Q2jzeJKY&...feature=related

David .... Thanks for that information ... I will definately check out your articles ... but I hope they don't try to prove that Corso is just another government disinformation agent, promoting an alien agenda to cover up the development of US military advanced stealth technology. He and Major Jessie Marcel spilling the beans about what really crashed at Roswell were my only hope !! I have been a UFO buff long before I ever got caught up in the Apollo hoax subject .... and after reading Wade's article about Steve Greer and the disclosure project, I realize how much more important this subject is, than whether NASA faked the Moon landings or not . I will let you know what I think of your pieces, and hopefully you will see this and not this , after I finish reading them. ....

I have already posted my opinion about what is seen in the A13 video clip, several times now ... If you refuse to see it or accept it, then that would be nothing new . Well, you finally posted something I do agree with ... Yes, it is time for me to shut up about this subject ... In fact, it's way past time ... I have been discussing Apollo on various discussion forums for several years now and it's time to focus on different subjects, which are much more important than attemptiing to prove that NASA faked the Moon landings almost 40 years ago, or staged the Apollo photography during their Apollo Simulation project. I'm really tired of all the games and the insults anyway... and being put in the position of having to defend my opinions to those too blind to even see the truth of what is reflected in an astronaut's visor.... This has become a complete waste of my time and I no longer give a damn what any of you believe. The future should hopefully prove if man really walked on the Moon or not, during the Apollo Program ... Or if the Apollo photography was really taken there, as NASA claims it was ... and believe it or not, as an American, I hope that you're right ... I don't think you are, but I hope you are, because that would be one less lie and one less fraud perpetrated by the US government, the US military-industrial complex and NASA.

Because it was staged ... Just like the rest of the number 13 "mission" was staged. "As pointed out by Percy and Bennett in 'What happened on the Moon?', the picture on the left shows the Odyssey after it was damaged by the oxygen tank explosion... the one on the right shows a normal shot of a command and service module with its cover removed from the scientific instrument bay. Do they look similar to you? " I would say the two look almost identical. http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

Well, if that weird looking object that Jack highlighted, is really an astronot's shadow, then that moonset sure was one strange place ! Your charts are meaningless ... The A13 video clip shows very clearly that Haise can not be holding the camera , much less be filming his crew mates while facing away from them ... You can draw all the pictures you want but it won't change what is seen in that film clip.

Thanks for your reply David ... I didn't mean to drag you back into this discussion but I'm glad you told me about this book, because I have always been interested in the subject of anti-gravity stealth technology and there is very little information available on it . I have read some excellent books about UFO's , my favorites being 'The Day After Roswell ' by Col. Philip Corso, who discusses his top secret military role of being in charge of farming out the alien technology that was retrieved from the Roswell crash site, to research and development corporations ... and 'Beyond Top Secret' by Timothy Good, who goes into detail about many of the documented UFO cases, and also how the Majestic 12 documents were leaked to a UFO investigator... I had never heard about 'The Hunt for Zero Point' though. I had a discussion once on the Unexplained Mystery forum, where I posted my ideas about the possibility of NASA using anti-gravity stealth technology to land men on the Moon, instead of the rather primitive looking Apollo technology that we were shown ... but the guys I was discussing this with claimed that there was no evidence that this type of technology even existed during the time of Apollo, or even now .... So it's interesting to finally see evidence that it apparently not only exists, but has been around since the mid 1940's... which would have been plenty of time for the US military to develope it for the alleged manned Moon missions . Here's a synopsis about the book that some of the members here might find interesting, including the link with other information about it, and where to purchase it . Synopsis The nuclear bomb programme was the culmination of a huge, expensive research development project, so secret that even days before the explosion of the first bomb many people said it was impossible. But what if, at the same time, America had discovered another strand of technology that was even more powerful than atomic science, a weapon so powerful it needs no fuel to fly at 17000 miles per second? Defence journalist Nick Cook reveals a 50-year conspiracy to surpress a technology based on anti-gravity, way ahead of its time. Gravity control: technology that can cancel out the weight of objects or be transformed into engines that produce energy from nothing, promising safe, pollution-free power, limitless propulsion - and weapons potential, The US aerospace and defence industry announced in 1956 that it was on the brink of a great scientific discovery and that the breakthrough would come before the decade was out. But it never happened; the revolution died before it had begun. That was the official version of events. The truth, however, Cook maintains, is very different, and this book traces his 10-year investigation to prove that America cracked the gravity code and classified the technology at unheard of security levels. In his pursuit of the truth, he went to the heart of US aerospace development - a regime so secret it does not officially exist. Cook's trail took him eventually to Germany, searching out a repository of technical secrets buried 50 years earlier by the Nazis. There, among a cache of unofficial projects run by the SS and hidden by the Holocaust, he learned the secret of Zero Point. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hunt-Zero-Point-Ni...k/dp/0712669531

David .... I understand that the subjects of UFO's, aliens and alien abductions are filled with government disinformation ... but how can you completely discount the hundreds of eye witness sightings by qualified pilots , astronauts and military personel, as just being speculation ? ... Beyond strange looking craft , sometimes of enormous proportions, have been observed in the skies and in space, conducting unbelievable manuevers that completely defy all conventional or mundane explaination. It's true that the public has not been allowed to see the nuts and bolts evidence of these craft, because of the operation in place by the military to retrieve the physical evidence of downed craft, but they have been captured on film all over the world by very credible witnesses... and some of the craft that has been described, especially by certain pilots, can not be explained away by any known technology on this planet today... Not even advanced stealth technology could be used as an excuse to explain away these sightings, unless that technology has been possibly developed from reversed engineered alien technology. I believe there is enough evidence, even though not considered to be nuts and bolts "empirical", which shows that the alien presence on this planet is the biggest cover-up of all time.... If it weren't, then why are so many UFO investigators being silenced .. permanently ? Is Someone Killing Our UFO Investagtors ? http://www.metatech.org/ufo_research_magazine_evidence.html

When the camera pans past the A13 crew (first Lovell and then Swiggert ) the camera operator would have had to be FACING them, not only to get them in the frame correctly but also to see that the contrast was too dark and to lighten up the picture, which was what the photographer did in this particular clip. As the camera pans the first two astronauts, the middle astronaut, Swiggert, is STILL IN THE FRAME AS THE CAMERA PANS ON HAISE, WHO NOT ONLY HAS HIS BACK TO SWIGGERT BUT HAS HIS ARM DOWN BY HIS SIDE AND IS IN NO POSITION TO BE HOLDING OR OPERATING THE CAMERA. I don't know how to state it any clearer than that ... and this is exactly why I have accused all of you of playing games with the hoax evidence, no matter what it is.... I can't understand why you either can't see the obvious or refuse to see it .. Well, actually I do understand it, but that's another story. It's not that I don't respect your opinion or believe that you're outright lying .. It's more like I can't fathom why you refuse to recognize a stage light reflection in a visor when it's staring you right in the face, or refuse to see that something shaped like a horn or possibly something even stranger, could NOT possibly be the shadow of an astronaut. You can believe all you like that my visual interpretation of what I see is wrong , but I'm not alone in seeing certain anomalies in the Apollo photographs, which don't belong on the Moon ... But if those ridiculous looking photographs really were taken on the Moon, then it's by far a much stranger place than NASA has led us all to believe ... So strange in fact, that it looks exactly like a STAGE SET ! Millions of people can see how fake the Apollo photographs are ... but if you can't, then we will just have to agree to disagree ... again .

Who said they went to the Moon? None that I have seen. Those photos could have been taken by unmanned missions, just like the photos being taken today. What is really live and what NASA claims is "live on TV" may very well be two different things. Just because I haven't found any figures or charts, doesn't mean that they don't exist, or that deep space radiation wasn't the show stopper for Apollo, or will be the show stopper for future manned missions. He's not turning to his left as the camera pans past him ... Haise is standing with his back to his crew mates and is in no position to have just filmed them ... Especially since we can clearly still see Swiggert in the shot while Hasise has his back to him. More flame baiting? ... I would think you would try to refrain from this type of tactic after reading all of Matthew's insults that he said he never posted here. You are wrong ... I have admitted several times that some of the hoax information I posted was incorrect .... Whereas you and you friends never admit to being wrong about anything ... The games you all play with some of the hoax evidence is unbelievable .... Pretending that stage light refelctions are "smudges on visors" , or that LM reflections are invisible, or that unidentifiable objects which resemble horns , are really astronaut's shadows etc. ... I don't know who you guys think you're fooling with nonsense like that, but hopefully some of the people reading these threads can see through your games. I have no idea what you're referring to, or what you removed from my post ... Can you please PM me to let me know what caused this action, so I will know not to do it in the future ? ...Thanks.

Isn't that just like a typical Apollo defender, to never admit they're wrong, even when proven otherwise. Okay, if we are finished with all of the flame baiting distraction tactics now, how about let's get back the more important subject of how NASA staged their Apollo 13 16 MM DAC footage .

David ... Perhaps you could ask permission for a tour of Hanger 18 or was it Room 22 ? ... Or maybe Area 51, nine levels down ?... Or perhaps ask to see the top secret locations at Wright Patterson, or the Langley Research Center, or the Goddard Space Flight Center. Just because the general public is not privy to the empirical evidence of the alien presence on this planet , doesn't mean it doesn't exist .

The difference between you and me is that I never claimed that I didn't post any insults .... You did . What you post on another forum about conspiracy researchers might not have any bearing on this forum, but it does show what you're all about and why you joined this one . So now that you're read some of your flame baiting tactics on this forum as well, will you be taking them back? ... <removed by Moderator> Please do not make that accusation unless you have solid evidence. Even then, clear it with a Mod before you say such things. First and only warning.

Part 2. Here are some of your flame baiting posts on this forum Matthew. To me . "Nobody else is making you look paranoid. You're doing that to yourself." "So now you know what I will and won't believe? Wow! I didn't know you were psychic too! " To Jack. "Then please, show me this rule. And if you are so adamant about it, then am I to assume you will be buying me a camera? Further, if you can't find said rule, I may be tempted to interpret your repeated asking for a picture as both "harassing" and "invasion of my privacy," both which are against the rules." "Now Jack, you know that is a lie. I have no personal objection to posting a picture, only a monetary one. I know of no rule saying I must post a picture, only a suggestion, and I have looked. .... * Oops, there's that forbidden word again . "Maybe you should give yourself that award Jack. You can't even be bothered to see who's post you're quoting." "So do you have anything of substance to add or will it just be namecalling from you?" "Well if Jack says the weather is identical then weather.com must be wrong! Jack could never be wrong could he!? " "That's assuming that government hired disinformation agents actually exist and that's a huge assumption. Got any proof to back that up Jack? It is really too hard to believe that some people might not think the same way you do Jack? Are people not supposed to have their own opinions?" "I never claimed you did not watch this happening. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?" So anybody that doesn't agree with you is automatically a "provocateur"? Gee it must be nice to live in your deluded little world. And is NASA psychic? Craig Lamson registered on this board on 15 November. That's absolutely amazing that he could have been sent here a full month before you even started posting about the supposedly faked Apollo photos on 18 December. As far as I can tell, Craig has done nothing more than point out that your research was in fact shoddy and incomplete. You claimed that only 2 pictures showed the scale on the window and Craig found 63. How do you account for that?" So I guess you can now take back those flame baiting insults that you posted on this forum to Jack and me, now that some of them have been pointed out to you .

The insults that you post on Jay Windley's Apollo Hoax forum apply to how you feel about ALL hoax believers in general , does it not ? ... Would you also be willing to take any of those back ? "As long as there is paranoia and schizophrenia, there will be HBs." And then there are these insults about Jack and me . "On the education forum it was shown rather well that the rectangular imprint was in fact a partial bootprint. It was shown from previous photos that the astronaut stepped in that exact location with his toe. He did not appear to rest his weight on that foot hence the partial footprint. Jack of course ignored it and his lapdog Duane insulted those that supported the boot print theory." "Duane is more of the same but he doesn't ever come up with his own stuff. He just repeats other's hoax nonsense no matter how bad it is." Then there are these insults directed to a CT called 'Rocky" "true. In most cases it can be said he doesn't but he still manages to dress and feed himself right? With all that paranoia, why does he ever go outside? " "Funny how that list also describes the conspiracy theorists and pretty much any other person that posts on the internet! Got any more crap you want to throw at the wall Rocky?" "How is this related to Apollo? Oh that's right. It isn't. If Jay chooses to only answer about Apollo then that is fine. This issue is completely unrelated and proves nothing but the fact that you are trying stupid tricks that would get you laughed out of any debate the same as everyone is laughing at you here." "If the numbers of those seeing a hoax are really getting so large then where is all the support for Rocky? How come no one came out of the woodwork to support his views? If somehow, as I'm sure he thinks, their posts and memberships were being suppressed then why would he even be allowed to post here? Sadly he is not the most close-minded individual I have seen posting on the net but he does come close. His level of paranoia is astounding." And then there is this one where you insulted this very forum . "I'm not sure I'll be replying any more on that forum. It is just not worth it. I found another thread on "chemtrails" and one person's picture had an orb/lens flare that he said he knew were alien craft that used electromanetic pulses to spread the chemtrails out into clouds. Some of the people their are more out of touch with reality than GLP regulars. It just isn't worth my time to hang out there." And this one to some poor CT, I assume Rocy, who had the audacity to post on Jay's forum of pro Apollo fanatics . " Which viewers? You mean all the ones that already spoke up saying you were full of it and we did in fact go to the moon and the evidence proves it? Or the imaginary ones that only you seems to think exists?" And another . "As usual Rocky, you are agood for laugh. Not much else though. At least you're keeping everybody cool with all the handwaving though." "And for the record, I have shown your rantings to two others that are not regulars of this board and they think you're nuts too." " Keep posting Rocky. You provide endless hours of humor when you do. " And I could go on and on but I think everyone will get the point as to what kind of person you really are . As for your insulting posts to Jack and me on this forum, I will take a look and see what else I can find.

It's more than a possibility, since that's exactly where the Apollo astronots trained for their "missions" and where they conducted part of the Apollo Simulation Project.

Watch again Kevin, at no time can Haise be seen turning away from the crew and turning the camera towards himself... He is never facing his crew mates in any part of this clip . Do you wear glasses by any chance ? .... If so, please put them on the next time you view this clip ... If not, please go get your vision checked and buy some. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlKhybMPdQY

I admit that I rarely read any of your posts, as they hold no interest for me.... Whereas you appear to hang on every misspelled word I post here. I couldn't have said it better myself !