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I have submitted the petition to several relatives who are all sympathetic to the cause and who are very active in various social networks. Hopefully the petition will go viral...
Thanks Greg,
Much appreciated
BK
Bill,
Was anyone handing out flyers about the petition, or any kind of literature, at the dedication to the MLK memorial today? If not, it was a wasted opportunity.
Was there any kind of police presence or park official presence discouraging that? Thanks.
Joe
I'm not in DC Joe,
Every opportunity must be taken advantage of. You should have been there handing out leaflets.
I'm not in D.C. either, Bill.
So, I'll take that as a no, no one was there. Where is COPA's HQ Bill, remind me.
Joe
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I have submitted the petition to several relatives who are all sympathetic to the cause and who are very active in various social networks. Hopefully the petition will go viral...
Thanks Greg,
Much appreciated
BK
Bill,
Was anyone handing out flyers about the petition, or any kind of literature, at the dedication to the MLK memorial today? If not, it was a wasted opportunity.
Was there any kind of police presence or park official presence discouraging that? Thanks.
Joe
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Hello,
Please see - http://justiceforkennedy.blogspot.com/2011/10/stuart-wexler-and-mlk-assassination.html
A fair warning about a book that is going to come out.
Joe
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Friends,
Please view the following petition on the new We the People site at the White House website. To get their attention, it needs 25,000 signatures before November 13. Please go to the site yourself, register and sign it. Also, please pass this on to everyone you know who might be interested. Here is the link:
Thank you.
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Hello,
I'm looking for a presentation John Newman gave about Oswald in Russia, and the U-2 program. I'm looking specifically for a point where he mentions that
the Soviets only had 4 ICBMs in 1960. This may be in tape 6, or program 6 of COPA 1995. I seem to have misplaced that particular tape. It's somewhere in the
house but not where I had the other videos of COPA 1995. John went into this at some length in tape 1 of COPA 1994. So, it's not that tape. I have that.
The fact that the Soviets only had 4 ICBMs in 1960 was referenced again and again in the Missile Gap forum at the JFK Library as though this was brand new information.
It wasn't.
Thanks for any help.
Joe Backes
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Hello,
I have some information on my blog about the forums. I tell you how to get the booklet and DVD that they gave out.
See - http://justiceforkennedy.blogspot.com/2011/09/missile-gap-forums.html
Joe
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John,
Have you read John Newman's book "JFK and Vietnam?" If you haven't, you should.
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Two jackets in two black and white films.
On the left is a still from a video taken in a parking lot a block from the Tippit murder scene. It shows a policeman displaying what Dallas Police radio broadcasts described as a white jacket which was recovered from underneath a 1955 Olds that was parked in the lot.
Initial police broadcasts identified Tippit's murderer as wearing a white jacket.
On the right is CE 162, Oswald's grey jacket. The WC said that this was the jacket recovered from under the car.
Given that both of these jackets were filmed with black-and-white film, if CE 162 is the jacket on the left, shouldn't it be in the same greyscale as it is on the right ? I can see it being a shade or two off maybe due to lighting, but these two jackets aren't even close.
Is there anyone out there who believes that these two are the same jacket ?
There are 4 color photos of a grey jacket that NARA has made available
The description in the 3rd photo is interesting:
Gray man's jacket with M size collar, laundry mark 30, zipper opening, name tag created in California, MAURICE HOLMAN".
On inside of jacket are initials of police officers WEB and GMD. There is also a laundry tag on bottom of jacket B 9738.
Joe Backes
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Hello,
There is a new forum that is in addition to the one on Sept 26th, which is about the false , Missile Gap story. This will be first, then they will do the already scheduled one on the Missile Gap at 5:30 p.m to 7:00 p.m.
CIA Overview of the Missile Gap
Monday, September 26, 1:00 to 4:45 p.m.
Preceding the Kennedy Library Forum on the 50th Anniversary of the Missile Gap Controversy, there will be a special CIA-sponsored conference.
In September 1961, President Kennedy was officially notified by the CIA that the United States had surpassed the Soviet Union in missiles, dispelling the notion of Soviet superiority in the arms race.
The CIA has commissioned a special report to analyze this history and is sponsoring two panels on the challenges of intelligence analysis and the implications for US policy with a former CIA Director of Intelligence, a former head of CIA's Guided Missile Task Force, a former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Strategy and Threat Reduction, and others. Free copies of this report, containing newly declassified documents, will be available to the public.
The second forum is:
50th Anniversary: The Missile Gap Controversy
September 26, 2011 5:30 PM - 7:00 PMIn September 1961, President Kennedy was officially notified by the CIA that the Unites States had surpassed the Soviet Union in missiles, dispelling the notion of Soviet superiority in the arms race. Join historians Timothy Naftali, Fred Kaplan and John Prados for a discussion of this pivotal moment in world history. Mary Elise Sarotte, Professor of International Relations at USC, will moderate. This forum will follow the afternoon panel sessions of the CIA Overview of the Missile Gap.
See my blog - http://justiceforkennedy.blogspot.com/2011/09/another-interesting-forum-at-jfk.html
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No, the testimony by Jarman of what he says Oswald said is NOT proof of anything. It's classic hearsay, and not allowed in a normal criminal investigation.
That's incorrect. It's not hearsay evidence, classic or otherwise.
If Jarman were relating what a third party told him Oswald said, THAT would be hearsay evidence.
For example, Witness A in a murder trial claimed on the stand: "Witness B told me that he heard the defendant admit to killing the victim."
Witness "A"'s testimony is hearsay because he didn't hear the defendant admit it, he was told by "B" of the admission.
But witness "B"'s testimony is NOT hearsay because he heard the defendant make the admission firsthand.
Likewise, Jarman was present when Oswald said it. He heard it firsthand. He didn't hear it from a third party.
It isn't hearsay by definition and it would have been admissible for Oswald's defense attorney to use it in a trial.
If you had a full understanding of what the passive voice is you would not fall for a lot of Warren Commission nonsense.
Jarman's testimony cannot be used to tell us anything about what Oswald knew or did not know.
You're making a lot of assumptions. That Oswald is a shooter, that there is a rifle in the TSBD and Oswald knows where it is because he brought it in.
This is all hypothetical crapola.
And if you had a full understanding of what hearsay evidence is, you'd never discount the testimony of a witness who was present when something was said.
I'm not making any assumptions at all.
ME saying Oswald was a shooter ?
ME saying that Oswald knew where the rifle was ?
ROFLMAO
WHERE DO YOU GET THIS STUFF FROM ? WHERE DID I SAY THAT ?
I'm the guy saying Oswald was INNOCENT !!!!
I'm the guy saying that Oswald DIDN'T know the motorcade route and thus COULDN'T have retrieved the rifle.
And I NEVER said that Oswald knew where the rifle was.
We can't ask Oswald about it because he's dead. Jarman, or anyone else can say absolutely anything in reference to a conversation with Oswald once Oswald is dead because then there's no way to corroborate it.
Unless you have evidence that Jarman lied, your argument is dead.
In evaluating uncorroborated evidence it's all about the credibility of the witness and any supporting facts. For example, there's no evidence that Oswald brought a 38" package to work that day. There's no evidence that Oswald brought a 38" package into the building.
We've demonstrated that the purchase of the rifle was a fraud. We've demonstrated that the "bag" was made on 11/22. We've demonstrated that Oswald could not have gotten to the second floor lunchroom from the sixth floor in less time than it took Truly and Baker.
We've proven that the lineups were slanted toward Oswald and that affidavits were altered.
It's all here:
In addition, we've supplied evidence that the FBI LIED in their reports regarding what the witnesses told them:
NOW YOU HAVE ME SUPPORTING OSWALD'S GUILT ?
Tell me you're not serious !!!
To suggest that I, of all people, am a WC supporter, or that I am somehow advocating Oswald's guilt, after all of the writings I've done in support of his innocence over the years, indicates to me that you are either clueless when it comes to my research, you have a problem with me personally, or YOU believe Oswald pulled the trigger.
Otherwise, I have no idea why you'd misrepresent what I am saying or suggest I have a lack of understanding when it comes to criminal procedure.
I come from a family of police officers and ex-police officers, myself included. I have a degree in criminal justice and I count among my many friends members of police departments, ex-investgators and prosecutors. I've given testimony in criminal cases.
I KNOW what hearsay evidence is.
There's no evidence that Jarman lied about this encounter, in spite of your suggestion that he could "say whatever he wanted" once Oswald was dead. Why would he lie in defense of Oswald ?
IMO, it just doesn't make sense.
I believe Jarman's account in accordance with the supporting facts regarding the rifle, the bag and the "escape" and I believe that it is proof that Oswald did not know the motorcade route and thus never brought the rifle into the building and fired at the motorcade.
Another point I'd like to make is whether or not it was possible for Oswald to NOT know that the motorcade was coming through Dealey plaza.
Jarman testified that he didn't know the President was coming by until the morning of the 22nd.
Representative FORD. When did you first learn of the President's motorcade route?
Mr. JARMAN. That morning.
Representative FORD. Friday morning, November 22d?
Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir.
Representative FORD. How did you find out about it?
Mr. JARMAN. The foreman of the employees on the first floor.
Representative FORD. What is his name?
Mr. JARMAN. William Shelley was standing up talking to Mrs. Lee.
Representative FORD. To Mrs. Lee?
Mr. JARMAN. Miss Lee, or Mrs. Lee, I think, and he was discussing to her about the President coming, asked her was she going to stand out there and see him pass.
Representative FORD. About what time Friday morning was this?
Mr. JARMAN. I imagine it would be about--I think it was between 8:30 and 9:00. I am not sure.
Representative FORD. You hadn't read about it in the papers the night before or that morning?
Mr. JARMAN. No, sir.
( 3 H 209 )
BTW, any comments made about me personally are just nonsense.
The title of this thread is ridiculous. You claim to have proof that Oswald didn't know the route of the motorcade.
And you cite only one thing, the testimony of Jarman. It's not proof of anything.
I said and repeat there is no real proof that such a conversation actually occurred or that the words you attribute as
coming from the conversation were exactly what Jarman and Oswald actually said. You think you can dismiss such
criticism with circular logic, "I would suggest that the proof the conversation DID occur is in the sworn testimony of James Jarman..."
You don't understand what the word "proof," means. You don't understand circular logic.
Within the construct of your argument that Oswald didn't know the route of the motorcade you wrote,
"Without this information, there's simply NO MOTIVE for him to retrieve the rifle." So, that would have to
mean he has a rifle and he is a shooter. There's no other interpretation. We're in a hypothetical argument
that he is a shooter within a discussion of the value you give to Jarman's testimony.
So, don't give me this "ROFLMAO, WHERE DO YOU GET THIS STUFF FROM ? WHERE DID I SAY THAT ?"
I'm staying within the parameters of this thread/discussion started by you.
You're conflating criticism of your argument that you have proof that Oswald didn't know the motorcade route
with whatever your opinions or conclusions, and/or any thoughts you have on the entire JFK assassination case.
I don't give a damn whether you believe in a conspiracy or if you're a lone nut.
You have failed to provide sufficient proof that Oswald didn't know the motorcade route. And I stand by
that criticism.
Jim DiEugenio remarked at his presentation at last year's JFK conference, "you know, the old Carl Sagan line,
“extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence,” if not, it’s just a claim. And in it’s worst state it’s
just cheap sensationalism." So far this thread is just cheap sensationalism.
Joe Backes
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Hello again,
And the news just keeps getting better. According to my local NBC affiliate, Channel 13, there was a tornado today near Amsterdam, NY. We had a lot of rain today, with more rain coming.
There's more info on how to help on the Channel 13 site. See - http://wnyt.com/index.shtml
Video of the tornado - http://amsterdam.wnyt.com/news/weather/78788-video-shows-thruway-tornado
It's an impressive video that captures how loud thunder can be. You will see the tornado at about 5:50 into this 7 minute video.
"This video of the storm that blew through the Capital Region late this afternoon was shot by Lindsay Pillips of the Albany Weather Examiner and was posted on our Facebook page at Facebook.com/NewsChannel13. Meteorologist Tim Drawbridge tells us the National Weather Service now confirms that toward the end of the video -- shot from the Thruway rest stop near Amsterdam -- it shows a tornado crossing Interstate 90."
Joe
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Hello,
As many of you know Hurricane Irene caused a lot of damage in the Northeast of the U.S. You probably saw that it knocked down an oak tree near JFK's grave at Arlington National Cemetery that was over 200 years old. It caused a lot of damage in many rural counties in New York, Massachusetts, and Vermont. Some sections of Vermont are hilly and mountainous. So, when the rainfall is said to be 5 inches of rain it can quickly become 20 inches of rain or more as the rainfall gets funneled through narrow creeks and valleys.
My local paper ran a story on how people can help. Now a lot of that information is geared to my local area. They were looking for people to not only donate money but to donate their own personal time and labor to help sweep out mud and help clean up. These areas near me have been going through economic hard times for decades, long before the recent down turn in the economy, and now this hurricane came along.
This hurricane was a lot of wind and rain. It washed away a lot of houses, roads, bridges, crops, farms, and farm animals. Fortunately, there were not a lot of deaths. There are hundreds still who have no electrical power. In some cases repair crews can't get there because the roads are gone.
I would like to make folks aware of how they can help. I have some info on my blog. Thank you.
See - http://justiceforkennedy.blogspot.com/2011/09/how-to-help-those-suffering-from.html
Joe
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There is no proof this conversation actually occurred or that these were the exact words used. And there's really nowhere to go with it. Even if it did occur and these were the exact words used, so what? Jarman may have had some type of conversation about the motorcade with Oswald. Big deal.
We don't know what questions were asked, or what answers were given when Oswald was questioned. We have a very incomplete record of those interrogations.
I would suggest that the proof the conversation DID occur is in the sworn testimony of James Jarman, which I quoted above. And I think it IS a big deal if Oswald was unaware of the direction of the motorcade route, or that it was even going to pass through the plaza. Without this information, there's simply NO MOTIVE for him to retrieve the rifle. More importantly, this conversation occurred AFTER the rifle was allegedly already in the building, meaning that either Oswald was "playing dumb" as someone suggested, or someone else brought the rifle into the building.
Although I agree that the record of the interrogations is pretty sad, none of the officers who were present during those interrogation sessions ever quoted Oswald's reference to this Jarman encounter. If Oswald was using this "ace" to prove his innocence, it was a card he never played.
To suggest that the topic may have been discussed because the record is incomplete is IMO, speculative.
The fact remains that there is no EVIDENCE that Oswald ever brought it up.
No, the testimony by Jarman of what he says Oswald said is NOT proof of anything. It's classic hearsay, and not allowed in a normal criminal investigation. The "voice," of Oswald is not direct from Oswald, it's from Jarman. That's why I called it what it is, the passive voice. We see the passive voice a lot when, for example, John Connally, gives his (many) versions as to the origins of JFK's trip to Texas. One of the key criticisms of the passive voice is that it is often used to avoid responsibility.
You see the passive voice in regards to Bledsoe and her testimony as well.
The Secret Servie people use the passive voice when stating that JFK made the decision to not have the bubbletop on the limo. And they use the passive voice when they say JFK ordered agents not to ride on the back of his limo. That well known and false quote, "Keep those Ivy League charlatans off the back of my car," is a lie. JFK never said this. This is Floyd Boring saying JFK said this. It's not direct from JFK. It's uncharacteristic of JFK. There is no other reference to JFK referring to any member of his own Secret Service detail as "Ivy League Charlatans." There's no document from JFK where he orders agents off "his car." It's a lie to avoid responsibility for the weak protection JFK got from the Secret Service.
If you had a full understanding of what the passive voice is you would not fall for a lot of Warren Commission nonsense.
Jarman's testimony cannot be used to tell us anything about what Oswald knew or did not know.
You're making a lot of assumptions. That Oswald is a shooter, that there is a rifle in the TSBD and Oswald knows where it is because he brought it in.
This is all hypothetical crapola.
Your opinion on the value of the absence of a reference to a conversation for which there is no proof that such a conversation even took place is ridiculous. We can't ask Oswald about it because he's dead. Jarman, or anyone else can say absolutely anything in reference to a conversation with Oswald once Oswald is dead because then there's no way to corroborate it.
You can't comment on what was said or not said when Oswald was questioned because of the incomplete record. You can't turn around and place value of the very incompleteness of that record as proof of anything.
Joe Backes
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I guess this does not really proof something. It must be real ignorent if he does not know about the motorcade or the visit at all.
I mean: when you work in a building and the president of the United States will pass that building, I am pretty sure you will notice that in a paper, or in a conversation with co-workers.
In my opinion it is also possible that Oswald tries to build himself an alibi by asking a question like this.
Build up an alibi for what?
I agree with Mr. Kelly. If Oswald was planning to use this encounter with Jarman as proof of his innocence, why didn't he use it when he was interrogated ????? "How could I have killed the President when I didn't even know the motorcade route----just ask Junior Jarman !!!"
There's no evidence that he ever said anything like this during his interrogation or that Oswald tried to use this encounter as proof of his innocence. To believe that this ingenious criminal mind would think of covering his ass BEFORE the event in such a fashion, only to leave behind a rifle connected to him through a paper trail, then kill a policeman and leave his wallet at the scene, is just silly IMO.
The Dallas papers posted several versions of the motorcade route before the 22nd. Is it that strange that someone disinterested in the President's arrival would not know the motorcade route ?
Gil,
Sorry, but this isn't proof of anything.
I'm reminded of something George Michael Evica once said, I'm paraphrasing but it's essentially like this, "It's the passive voice, and when you hear the passive voice suspect what is going on." There is no proof this conversation actually occurred or that these were the exact words used. And there's really nowhere to go with it. Even if it did occur and these were the exact words used, so what? Jarman may have had some type of conversation about the motorcade with Oswald. Big deal.
We don't know what questions were asked, or what answers were given when Oswald was questioned. We have a very incomplete record of those interrogations.
"The rifle," seems to change it's size, shape, and appearance, every time it's described. The paper trail about it has more holes in it than a sponge.
As for the wallet, Oswald leaves his wallet at 1026 N. Beckley, and another wallet at the Tippit murder scene, and has another one on him when arrested, and I think yet another when they search him again at Dallas Police HQ.
Joe Backes
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SSA Landis Statement of November 22, 1963:
"... At this moment I heard what sounded like the report of a high-powered rifle from behind me, over my right shoulder. When I heard the sound there was no question in my mind what it was. My first glance was at the President, as I was practically looking in his direction anyway. I saw him moving in a manner which I thought was to look in the direction of the sound. I did not realize that President Kennedy had been shot at this point.I immediately returned my gaze, over my right shoulder, toward the modernistic building I had observed before. With a quick glance I saw nothing and immediately started scanning the crowd at the intersection from my right to my left. I observed nothing unusual and began to think that the sound had been that of a fire cracker but I hadn't seen any smoke. In fact, I recall Special Agent Jack Ready saying, "What was it? A Fire Cracker?" I remarked, "I don't know; I don't see any smoke." So far the lapsed period of time could not have been over two or three seconds.
All during this time I continued to scan the crowd, returning my gaze towards the President's car. It must have been another second or two before the next shot was fired because, as I recall having seen nothing out of the ordinary, I then thought that maybe one of the cars in the motorcade had had a blowout that had echoed off the buildings. I looked at the right front tire of the President's car and saw it was all right. I then glanced to see the right rear tire, but could not because the Follow-up car was too close.
I also thought of trying to run and jump on the President's car but did not think I could make it because of the speed at which we were traveling. I decided I had better stay where I was so that I would at least be near the First Lady, to whom I am assigned. I think that it was at this point that I thought, "Faster, Faster, Faster," thinking that we could not get out of the area soon enough. However, I don't have any idea as to how fast we were then moving.
I had drawn my gun, but I am not sure exactly when I did this. I did leave my suit coat unbuttoned all during the motorcade movement, thinking at the time that I could get to my gun faster this way, if I had to.
I glanced towards the President and he still appeared to be fairly upright in his seat, leaning slightly toward Mrs. Kennedy with his head tilted slightly back. I think Mrs. Kennedy had her right arm around the President's shoulders at this time. I also remember Special Agent Clinton Hill attempting to climb onto the back of the President's car.
It was at this moment that I heard a second report and it appeared that the President's head split open with a muffled exploding sound. I can best describe the sound as I heard it, as the sound you would get by shooting a high powered bullet into a five gallon can of water or shooting into a melon. I saw pieces of flesh and blood flying through the air and the President slumped out of sight towards Mrs. Kennedy.
The time lapse between the first and second report must have been about four or five seconds.
My immediate thought was that the President could not possibly be alive after being hit like he was. I still was not certain from which direction the second shot came, but my reaction at this time was that the shot came from somewhere towards the front, right-hand side of the road.
I did not notice anyone on the overpass, and I scanned the area to the right of and below the overpass where the terrain sloped towards the road on which we were traveling. The only person I recall seeing clearly was a Negro male in light green slacks and a beige colored shirt running from my left to right, up the slope, across a grassy section, along a sidewalk, towards some steps and what appeared to be a low stone wall. He was bent over while running and I started to point towards him, but I didn't notice anything in his hands and by this time we were going under the overpass at a very high rate of speed. I was looking back and saw a motorcycle policeman stopping along the curb approximately adjacent to where I saw the Negro running. ..."
/s/ Paul E. Landis, Jr.
Special Agent
U.S. Secret Service
Seems clear from this statement that Landis is referring to the Grassy Knoll on the Right (North) side of Elm Street. Landis thought the first shot came from the right rear and the second shot from the north Grassy knoll area, so it would make sense for him to be looking where the sounds of gunfire originated.
Guys,
I don't know why you're spending anytime trying to figure out what Landis said he saw. I would argue that Landis couldn't see anything clearly. He stayed out drinking until 5:00 a.m. in Ft. Worth. He stayed up all night drinking Everclear, which is 190 proof alcohol. He got no sleep at all the night before. He showed up for work still drunk. He wasn't the only one either.
Go to my blog - http://justiceforkennedy.blogspot.com/ and put in Paul Landis in the "Search this blog," section on the right and you'll see what I wrote on this.
Landis cannot be believed. I would not put any stock in what he says.
Joe Backes
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Have yet to find a location that can copy the full-sized Warren Commission Survey Plat which is about twice the size of the Time/Life; SS; & FBI plats.
When found (it will take some engineering company copy capability) then the Museum will also recieve a true and "unaltered" copy of the Warren Commission suvey plat complete with all of my scribblings.
Progressively, I will attempt to provide copies of all of Mr. West's survey notes and survey plats to the museum, as this is about the only way to insure that history does not cause this knowledge to also disappear.
Have a nice day Mr. Mack!
Thomas,
If I understand you right you have a full size copy of the survey plat of Dealey Plaza that was done for the Warren Commission. Did you get this from the National Archives?
If you're looking for someone to scan it and make a copy may I suggest that you contact Mr. Ben Rogers at Baylor University. He gave a presentation at the JFK Lancer conference in 2010 that I made a transcript of. In it he mentioned that they have a wide format scanner that can handle a 6 foot by 10 foot document. You can contact him at - Ben_Rogers@baylor.edu If you live in Texas in the Dallas / Ft. Worth area I think it would be a good thing to bring your original over and meet him. Then Baylor can have a copy of this and make it available to JFK researchers, probably much cheaper than the 6th Floor might charge.
My transcript of his presentation is here - http://justiceforkennedy.blogspot.com/2011/04/ben-rogers-presentation-from-nid-2010.html
Also, a final survey plat would have to be recorded and a copy kept with the County Clerk, I assume. So, I would think anyone could get a copy from the Dallas County Clerk of the plans of whatever the 6th Floor is up to.
The Dallas County Clerk is Mr. John F. Warren
Contact info:
Records Building 2nd Fl
509 Main St, Suite 200
Dallas, Texas 75202-3551
Phone: 214-653-7099
214-653-7176
Hours: Monday-Friday
8:00 A.M.-4:30 P.M.
Joseph Backes
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Have yet to find a location that can copy the full-sized Warren Commission Survey Plat which is about twice the size of the Time/Life; SS; & FBI plats.
When found (it will take some engineering company copy capability) then the Museum will also recieve a true and "unaltered" copy of the Warren Commission suvey plat complete with all of my scribblings.
Progressively, I will attempt to provide copies of all of Mr. West's survey notes and survey plats to the museum, as this is about the only way to insure that history does not cause this knowledge to also disappear.
Have a nice day Mr. Mack!
Thomas,
If I understand you right you have a full size copy of the survey plat of Dealey Plaza that was done for the Warren Commission. Did you get this from the National Archives?
If you're looking for someone to scan it and make a copy may I suggest that you contact Mr. Ben Rogers at Baylor University. He gave a presentation at the JFK Lancer conference in 2010 that I made a transcript of. In it he mentioned that they have a wide format scanner that can handle a 6 foot by 10 foot document. You can contact him at - Ben_Rogers@baylor.edu If you live in Texas in the Dallas / Ft. Worth area I think it would be a good thing to bring your original over and meet him. Then Baylor can have a copy of this and make it available to JFK researchers, probably much cheaper than the 6th Floor might charge.
My transcript of his presentation is here - http://justiceforkennedy.blogspot.com/2011/04/ben-rogers-presentation-from-nid-2010.html
Also, a final survey plat would have to be recorded and a copy kept with the County Clerk, I assume. So, I would think anyone could get a copy from the Dallas County Clerk of the plans of whatever the 6th Floor is up to.
The Dallas County Clerk is Mr. John F. Warren
Contact info:
Records Building 2nd Fl
509 Main St, Suite 200
Dallas, Texas 75202-3551
Phone: 214-653-7099
214-653-7176
Hours: Monday-Friday
8:00 A.M.-4:30 P.M.
Joseph Backes
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It is generally apparent that most Catholics of JFK's generation wanted a lot of kids, and JFK was trying. But there were problems. The problems caused some distance of JFK with Jackie, but they had become close again after the death of Partick and Dallas was their first outing after the funeral of their Child. And naturally questions as to what was causing the problems arose. And there was an obvious answer that we all well know today with per-natal issues.
But in that period, there was a new target in JFK's hit list.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Bouvier_Kennedy
Patrick Bouvier Kennedy
The child was initially buried at Holyhood Cemetery in Brookline, Massachusetts. His body and that of a stillborn sister, Arabella, were re-interred on December 5, 1963, alongside their father at Arlington National Cemetery, and later again moved to their permanent graves in Section 45, Grid U-35.[2][3]
Right after his birth, he was transferred to Boston Children's Hospital where he died two days later of hyaline membrane disease. His obituary in The New York Times stated that, at that time, all that could be done for a victim of hyaline membrane disease "is to monitor the infant's blood chemistry and to try to keep it near normal levels."
The infant's death from hyaline membrane disease, now more commonly called respiratory distress syndrome, helped spark new public awareness of the disease and further research.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13700230
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13945495
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrauterine_hypoxia
There are various causes for intrauterine hypoxia (IH). The most preventable cause is maternal smoking. Cigarette smoking by expectant mothers has been shown to have a wide variety of deleterious effects on the developing fetus. Among the negative effects are carbon monoxide induced tissue hypoxia and placental insufficiency which causes a reduction in blood flow from the uterus to the placenta thereby reducing the availability of oxygenated blood to the fetus. Placental insufficiency as a result of smoking has been shown to have a causal effect in the development of pre-eclampsia. While some previous studies have suggested that carbon monoxide from cigarette smoke may have a protective effect against preeclampsia, a recent study conducted by the Genetics of Pre-Eclampsia Consortium (GOPEC) in the United Kingdom found that smokers were five times more likely to develop pre-eclampsia.[11]
Nicotine alone has been shown to be a teratogen which affects the autonomic nervous system, leading to increased susceptibility to hypoxia-induced brain damage.
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http://medsci.indiana.edu/c602web/602/c602web/pulmon/lung.htm
Contrary to the public posturing of the tobacco industry, smoking leads to increased incidences of practically every pulmonary disorder. One of the most common smoking related pulmonary diseases is emphysema, a condition in which pulmonary tissue is lost for good. To understand the process of emphysema you will need to know the difference between obstructive and restrictive conditions affecting of the lung. Practically everyone knows of the association of smoking and lung cancer, but what histological type of cancer is most common among smokers? These and other fascinating issues will be addressed in the pages that follow. Read on.
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The sadest issue of them all is the smoking that Jsckie used to keep so thin and good looking was most likely connected with the deaths of her two kids, and this likely took its toll on Jack.
The really sad part was Jackie could not kick the addictive habit and it likely contributed to her own death.
Jack had the best medical advice in the world and he would have been told of the associations of smoking and radiation issues associated with this pathology.
And like JFK did things against Atmospheric Testing, the Tobacco Nicotine Drug addiction issues would some come to bare.
Jim,
Where did you get this name, Arabella?
Joe Backes
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John,
See - http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=4055&st=45
Apparently the source was page 244 of Bill Turner's Rearview Mirror.
Moldea provides the most detailed account of Cesar's background. On page 200 of "the Killing of Robert F. Kennedy" he says: "Cesar was born on February 28, 1942, in Kansas City, Missouri. He is a mixture of English, French and German stock".
Joe Backes
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I have had an email from Paul Schrade:
I am working to open a new investigation of the Robert Kennedy murder with Philip Van Praag and Dr. Robert Joling. Our hope is that appropriate local officials will consider and act on our new evidence. We are represented by a large and prestigious law firm Gibson Dunn and Crutcher.
Van Praag's discoveries from his tests on the only known recording of gunshots at the crime scene are compelling evidence that the second gunman was the one who fired the four pointblank shots into Robert Kennedy.
Many believe that Thane Eugene Cesar is the person of interest who fired those shots including the fatal one.
You have identified Cesar as a Cuban American. What is the basis for that?
We are drafting a list of all of the information that implicates him and would appreciate your help with this list.
Paul Schrade
Unfortunately, I cannot remember where I got this information from. Can any other member help with this?
John,
One of the things that is a huge pain in the butt is trying to recreate your own research and relearn or disprove what you've written or posted,
or having to go back and find that thing in a book, forgetting to write down the thing, or citation in the first place. I was doing this today on a matter involving the Secret Service. So, I sympathize.
It seems to me that you got this information when you got information about him registering to vote for George Wallace’s American Independent Party.
So, if you can track down how you knew that, or where and how you learned that then maybe you will find the info about him being a Cuban American or not.
While you're at it, if you don't mind, could you post what you/we do know about Thane Eugene Cesar? And give proper citations where/if possible?
For example would you know his date of birth? Where he was born? Names of parents? Anything we can go on?
Thanks.
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Hello,
Jim DiEugenio's presentation from NID 2010 is now online.
http://justiceforkennedy.blogspot.com/
Joe Backes
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Question: what is the best material I can read on the Tippit slaying? Please recommend a book, an article, a web page, etc. Thanks in advance.
The best source I know is a two roll microfilm set known as "Files of Evidence."
I believe you can purchase this set from JFK Lancer. They may be available in another library near you.
I got this stuff from the New York State library in Albany and I printed out every page.
These rolls are filled with primary source materials. These are Dallas Police Department documents.
There is a volume or two on the Tippit killing.
Joe Backes
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Just to add my two cents...nothing to see here, it was explained away in this all too cogent excerpt.:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/cia_garrison.htmCIA Plots to Undermine Garrison?
..Ray Rocca's feeling that Shaw would indeed be convicted can be seen as the expression of the mindset of a counterintelligence officer: expect and be prepared for the worst. But given the outrageousness of what had already happened in New Orleans — Garrison's domination of the LaBiche Grand Jury and the conviction of Dean Andrews on perjury charges just a few weeks before the first meeting, for example — expecting Shaw to be convicted did not indicate some inside knowledge of Shaw's guilt.....
...This essay benefitted greatly from criticisms and suggestions from Patricia Lambert, Paul Hoch, and Max Holland.
But, on the other hand...
If there was ever a document that implied culpability to some degree by the Central Intelligence Agency (Clay Shaw's status with the CIA circa 1963 has not been resolved beyond a reasonable doubt, I stipulate), I believe this is at least one of them; If someone as high up on the food chain as Ray Rocca was in the CIA there has to be concrete evidence to that effect....
Thanks a lot Tom,
So, this is RIF# 104-10428-10023. I was able to compare your scan with what the Mary Ferrell website had.
Joe
A petition to release MLK files
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted
Correct, Greg.
I didn't tell or ask Bill that he should be in D.C. handing out flyers at the MLK memorial dedication. I merely asked if he knew if anyone did so.
So, he replies with a personal attack. Typical.
Does anyone know if anyone was handing out flyers? Could there have been a better opportunity to mention the petition?
Joe