Anthony Thorne

The contents listing I saw a week ago but can’t currently locate - it will turn up again - indicated that Kissinger gave a talk there. A couple of the Joint Chiefs were also present. Some of the names alongside Kissinger at the conference - nuclear strategists Herman Khan (who later founded the Hudson Institute), Edward Teller and Thomas Schelling, Herbert Dinerstein (later at RAND), longtime CIA adviser Kurt L. London, Arnold Wolfers, W. Glenn Campbell (founder of the Hoover Institute), William R. Kinter, Robert Strausz-Hupe, Arnold Wolfers, James D. Atkinson, Frank N. Trager - later noted as a ‘strong supporter of the Vietnam war’ - economists Otto Eckstein, Murray Weidenbaum and Schlesinger. The full list of attendees was much longer than this. The book of the conference was titled NATIONAL SECURITY: POLITICAL, MILITARY AND ECONOMIC STRATEGIES IN THE DECADE AHEAD, and from the names I’ve cited so far there are a number of strident conservatives and anticommunists who hated detente. W. Glenn Campbell’s closing talk was titled ‘Assuring the primacy of national security’, which sounds typical of some of the talks given. When the virus goes and libraries reopen again I plan to have a closer look at the book, as the discussion sessions that get transcribed in these volumes often have a lot of gems you won’t find elsewhere. And I’m intrigued that a veteran CIA figure, London, was in attendance. He was an advisor to the CIA on Soviet matters.

Not too long after the conference at Georgetown U., Eleanor Dulles took up residence at the same University.

EDIT - Here we go. Kissinger gave a talk entitled ‘NATO’s Nuclear Dilemma’. 
 

https://www.worldcat.org/title/national-security-political-military-and-economic-strategies-in-the-decade-ahead/oclc/552191

Good stuff from Jim as usual. I learn things from all of his posts.

Arleigh Burke, who played a role in the planning for the Bay of Pigs, did something different the following year. He directed and co-founded the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), the spooky Georgetown University think tank that eventually sheltered many of the neocons before, during and after the Reagan administration.

Burke's co-secretary at that institute was David Abshire, the son-in-law of Admiral George Anderson, who was later in charge of the US blockade of Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

And therein seems to lie a tale. CSIS paid for author James Allen Smith to write a commemorative history of CSIS for its 30th anniversary. Smith did this (the book is called STRATEGIC CALLING) and in the volume Smith noted that, after CSIS opened its doors on September 4th 1962, Burke and Abshire decided they wanted to hold a big conference to put CSIS on the map and gather together various right-wing, military and government folk who disagreed with the directions the Kennedy administration was going with the Cold War, so all those people could get together, have a big chat and see who thought what. Richard Ware (later an Assistant Secretary of Defence in the Nixon administration) shelled out $40,000 c/o the organisation he ran, the Relm Foundation, to pay for the CSIS conference. Burke and Abshire then began contacting all the people that they wanted to attend, and they formed an advisory board at CSIS. Gerald Ford was immediately made a member of that CSIS advisory board.

According to the CSIS biography, the planning among the hawks for a big conference continued "through the darkest days of the Cuban Missile Crisis", which I guess shows a lot of dedication towards that particular conference. The conference was held in late January 1963, and the two headline speakers were Senator Henry Jackson, and Walt Rostow. Kissinger also showed up, along with Stefan Possony, an anti-communist hawk who had authored studies on psychological warfare for the OSS and the CIA. A couple of dozen other speakers gave speeches - James R. Schlesinger attended as an economist - and the whole conference was transcribed, with various discussion panels recorded and noted down. CSIS intended the whole conference to be published as a book - something they've done serially since then, with hundreds of books and publications now to their name. The book was intended to act as guide for government, intellectuals and the public as to where CSIS thought the Cold War, the economy, and the country should be going. In that respect, as often happens with the guys at CSIS, things ran smoothly for them, as they ultimately published the book - which runs nearly a thousand pages - nine days after JFK was murdered in Dallas. 

All of those Weberman books are floating around in PDF form. I've never finished any of the volumes that I've stumbled across.

COG and the attendant crisis planning that has gone with it since for many years has been covered by a lot of the sources Ron and others are surely familiar with - it’s one of the more interesting subjects Peter Dale Scott has covered for the past 13 years or more.

But there was a less discussed focal point of some of the planning in the 70’s. Various US defense scientists (some linked to the JASON group, and some to the Defense Science Board) took part in a mid-70’s study on the nuclear industry and various related topics, ranging from nuclear energy to nuclear war. The group was called the Nuclear Energy Policy Study Group, and the study was brought out in book form (NUCLEAR POWER - ISSUES AND CHOICES). Some of the names from the study group later went on to hang out with Committee on the Present Danger figures at Harvard, notably at the Belfer Center, the same place that friendly spook Rolf-Mowatt Larssen came from when he popped up to give a JFK talk at conferences last November. And the Belfer Center is a weird place at the Harvard Kennedy School of Government where many neocon and Bush admin and COG folk linked to the War on Terror - Zelikow, later SecDef Ashton Carter and others - pop up again and again, either on the faculty or as part of study groups there. One woman from the Center, Michele Flournoy, later became a key advisor to the Joint Chiefs and was given a JCS award in 2000. Joseph Nye and Albert Carnevale were members of the mid-70’s study and later were heavily involved at Harvard and the Belfer Center, with Carnevale running the faculty at one point in the early 99’s. Nye and Carnesale wrote a series of books in the early 80’s on nuclear defense issues with Graham Allison, Dean of the Kennedy School and another Belfer Center regular.

Back to the main point. That mid 70’s study had a chapter  - 'Nuclear Proliferation and Terrorism' - on what the industry and government should do if a nuclear facility was targeted by a terrorist group. The study members - which included Carnesale, Nye, and several other interesting names - recommended mass detentions and sweeping restrictions on civil liberties, just in case things got out of hand after the nuclear facility had been targeted, and there’s a key chapter in the book that goes into this. If I wasn’t writing on a phone I’d cut and paste several more names and links, as there was at least one Nixon admin guy who was in charge of ‘narcotics intelligence’ (or similar) for Nixon who was also part of the group. But anyway, that mid 70’s study led to several connected figures who were part of it really pushing the War on Terror, hanging out with COG figures like Cheney and Rumsfeld and James Woolsey, and generally being part of a tight-knit group that all seemed to be swimming in a similar direction, moving through the 90’s with a growing emphasis on terrorism prevention planning, then past 9/11 to the implementation of COG and numerous rich weapons contracts, along with a push to rebuild America’s defences and hopefully throw a few extra dollars to Lockheed Martin with another billion dollar weapons spending spree or two.

So a riddle for the forum members here. There’s one Kennedy administration figure who pops up in all of this, and he plays an interesting role.

He provided the seed money for the Belfer Center in the early 70’s, giving all those militant spooks and COG planners a place to gather. He then co-funded (along with MITRE) the nuclear study in the mid 1970’s that suggested civil liberties be restricted and mass detentions be enacted in case of a terror attack, and he wrote the introduction for the book of that study when it was eventually published.

He then took part in discussion groups at the Kennedy School of Government through the 80’s that were attended in the main by the same group of guys that later pushed the War on Terror - Huntington, Nye, Allison, Woolsey and others. Woolsey was part of the COG planning groups through the same period.

And he took part in an early 90’s study group with former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs William Crowe - along with JASON member Sidney Drell - that used Belfer Center staff for two years. Crowe, in mid 80’s correspondence with Barry Goldwater, was vehement that the USA needed to rebuild its defence industry and reinvest in new weapons spending.

The Kennedy administration figure who did this was McGeorge Bundy. And so I find it fascinating that Bundy, who hung out with COG planners for years, and who funded the group that discussed restrictions on civil liberties following a terror attack, pops up in the following story, discussing with Lemnizter a plan to use Soviet planes to carry out false flag attacks against US installations to provoke a US military response.

JFK Files: US Planned to Buy Soviet Planes to Carry Out False Flag Attacks

https://diplomacybeyond.com/articles/jfk-files-us-planned-buy-soviet-planes-carry-false-flag-attacks/

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“There is a possibility that such aircraft could be used in a deception operation designed to confuse enemy planes in the air, to launch a surprise attack against enemy installations or in a provocation operation in which Soviet aircraft would appear to attack the US or friendly installations in order to provide an excuse for US intervention,”

Death rate is still in the low percentages even for 65 - 70. It jumps up when you get to the 80+ age bracket, and even then isn’t exceedingly high out of all the people that age who have caught the virus.. But I wouldn’t want to be in Italy right now, and social distancing will be wise for the near future.

Anyone who smokes should make a strong effort to give up right now, and keep yourself relatively fit, rested and well hydrated (with water) over the coming months. 

Agree about Gibson’s work. If there was a fire his books are among the small armful of books on the case I’d save.

An earlier version of Zeilizer's manuscript is here in PDF form. The book version obviously looks more readable though.

https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1015&context=dissertations_asc

I don’t have the name handy while I type into my phone, but at one point I was researching business associates of the neocons and all the closely associated groups. One young lady who was partners with one of them somewhere was new to me. So I Googled her background and worked backwards to see who she was. Turns out on her bio she worked at one of the major TV networks (one of the big three) and was in charge of all the live feeds coming in for broadcast at the network on the morning of 9/11. She was later given an award for all her great work.

Back to JFK, I need to read Mal Hyman’s book. I’ve heard nothing but good things about it.

Dave, could the quote you noted be referring to cooks instead of crooks? Even Pentagon folk need to eat.

I agree, he did. And I’d probably change the subject too if someone sent me an anthrax letter.

David - regarding Rather’s observations about the buildings and possible bombs on 9/11, remember his office would be targeted with anthrax a few weeks later. Rather avoided the subject after that.

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/10/22/cbs.rather.anthrax/index.html

Anthrax also went out to the offices of Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle (no Republican senators were targeted) and from memory Daschle was in the thick of Patriot Act negotiations at the time.

Another good article by Jim. I knew Matthews had written a crappy book on JFK, but wasn’t aware of his longer history of peddling lies on the subject.

Kris isn’t getting any younger but I was always impressed how he was keeping things going. So it looks like the only way they could stop him was to try and cripple his company. I hope he can get past this.

No wonder Gelli scored an invite to Reagan’s inauguration. Birds of a feather etc

Paul. Fair question. I’ll just say the notion seemed improbable from what I observed. Sharp and the Skyhorse editor have both spoken publicly about their commitment to bringing the book out. The volume was 99% finished when Albarelli passed, and required a last pass to tidy and add additional footnotes.

David, re WTC7. There was also a less discussed fire that morning, at the Old Executive Office Building. Cheney’s office was there, Rumsfeld had used that building for several months during his Missile Commission with a few other PNAC members, and the building had been equipped with a crisis communications centre during the Iran Contra years. If you Google search ‘Old Executive Office Building Fire 9/11’ you can (or could) find several references to the event. I once did a post on DPF about it with several links.
 

And WTC7 also had a crisis communications center on one floor that may have been in use before the tower dropped. So without having a crystal ball, there’s a possibility that both communications centres were in touch, before they each suffered a fire. At the OEOB, it coincided with an evacuation. At WTC7, it preceded the free fall of the whole building.

Paul, I saw a listing a while back that had bumped the book from Feb to March, so let’s wait and see.

The irksome thing about a three or four week delay of the book is that James Lateer at DPF uses every one of those to write a long post accusing Skyhorse of suppressing the book and Sharp as being a CIA asset. He’s done it five times now, maybe six, and this brief delay will probably cause a seventh. 

Looking at some stuff over the past few months, I developed the impression - and I'd have to spend an hour I don't have right now unfortunately to clearly elaborate why - that the guys at CSIS (the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank) were not unfamiliar with what was happening with Gladio. CSIS was founded some months before Kennedy was killed in 1963, CSIS was in Italy in the late 70's with various spooks and rightwing types publishing articles pushing for a coup in Italy, and CSIS had Michael Ledeen as an active member. And there are numerous articles around noting that Ledeen did know Licio Gelli personally. But the line of evidence that made me go "hmmmmm" is longer than what I've written here.

Albarelli's co-author and good pal Leslie Sharp did the final polish on Albarelli's book some months ago and posted a pic of the completed manuscript around the same time. So unless civlilization collapses due to the Coronavirus over the coming months, we should see the book soon.

Paul. On Googling it I see Lemnitzer was a member of at least one group alongside a close Gelli associate from Italy, Mario Pedini. I can’t remember if I read before that LL and Gelli were in another group together. So possibly Lem was floating around P2 members here and there, but not Gelli himself. 

Newman did a post noting how interesting it was that Lemnitzer was a proud Freemason.

And Lemnitzer was - in a biography of the guy the author notes how Lemnitzer proudly displayed his Masonic ring when having an official photo taken.

So I noted how funny it was that Lemnitzer later hung out with Licio Gelli, the P2 head who was heavily linked through various associates to Gladio. When Licio Gelli passed away the headlines read LICIO GELLI, FREEMASON LINKED TO CONSPIRACIES, DIES.

Newman agreed it was all interesting stuff and said he was on the case. So I’m keen to read book 4.

I’m just going to wait until book 4 is out, then read the first three volumes again, as I’ll likely have forgotten what is in them by late 2021. Judging by a thread JN posted on Facebook, he’s just as occupied now with Lemnitzer as he is with all the Veciana stuff, so book 4 will hopefully show what he thinks was going on.

I was getting similar vibes, which is probably why I didn't investigate further. 

I think I saw his JFK book on Amazon at one point, and noted that he was one of the very few self-published JFK authors who was making an effort to look at new documents, but I didn't investigate his work any further.

Here's his homepage.

https://www.collectivepsych.com

He has multiple books to his name, including one on 9/11 - Implosion - which has this note on his home page

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If you are looking for Duped!  this 2014 text has been updated and replaced by Implosion (2016). 

So maybe he's thinking of revisiting his JFK book. The page for his JFK volume has some commentary noting 'important revelations since the book was published', so possibly he'll revise that text. Though those revelations are mostly various strangers - plus James Files - getting in touch with him and telling him dramatic stories.

His most recent book, ECOCIDE, is about global warming and was published a week ago. I'm guessing if you contacted him at his home page he'd probably respond.

That link above works for me too. It’s the old ‘Welcome to the Deep Politics Forum’ page with the enter button that goes nowhere. But nice to see the site back.

It’s not up for me and hasn’t been for a few days.

Great series, that one.