Jim Glover

This is very important if true. Is he still alive? Did he tell anyone else? Please contact someone privately you trust on the Forum or another researcher who can follow this up! This could explain many many things about the entire events of 11/22/63. If he is still alive, now that your have given his name on the Forum, tell him to be carefull until his story is recorded and documented. Sincerely, Peter Thanks Peter, You are one of the few researchers who see missing piece... In 93 the research community in Dallas just kiinda ignored us but we did a show about it at the Texas Theater and we got it on tape by professional engineers with the story told by Mr. Burrows....Yesssss. I hope he is still with us. I just called his old number but it is out of service. I have his 93 address: Butch and Maxine Burrows 2414 Arcady Ln Lancaster TX 751355 So Folks, Please let me know if You find anythiing...Together we can crack this cover-up! Jim PS did you know that the Texas Theater was built by Howard Hughes? Did Mr. Burrows tell anyone about this at the time [before all the various theories about two Oswalds or Oswald look-alikes, or even two people arrested at the Texas Theatre began to be generally known or suspected?! The problem becomes one of possible contamination in later years. I am NOT accusing him...I have NO idea of his veracity and no reason to doubt it...but if he didn't tell this earlier, the question would be why? If he did, kindly enlighten us as to when, to whom, and how. Thanks. I have no Idea who he told at the time but the double Oswald reports were off the charts for the warren Commission...they would just say everyone was mistaken but they never asked why the FBI was even investigating the double Oswalds when He was in Russia and maybe why the government got him back home so easy and ready to be set up. this is great Psy-Ops for Allen Dulles who ordered the U2 spy flight after IKE wanted to make Peace talks....the U2 shoot down kept the cold war goin.....Now we should know who Ike was talkin about in his farwell speech. If you are worried about possible contamination, remember the subject is full of it by the cover-up. I can't garentee purity of anything. We are talking about how the Masters of War keep in power....sorry to sound angry but I am not an objective observer....I was sent to observe and I was looking for answers. This investigation is still on. Talk to anyone you can about Butch Burrows....If you think that what a witness saw would have been fairly reported, then you have more faith in the media than I do. I remebered reading an article, maybe the village Voice in the late 60's about a reporter who was in the alley while the cops were bringing out the taller Oswald. When I found out that Butch was there at the time , I asked him and he showed me the side door to the alley they took him out through. That is all I have for now, Jim

Phil Ochs first told me about the plot to get JFK and back at OSU we used to talk about the JBS and how they thought IKE was like a Commie. Phil had a photo of General Walker's house with a Free Cuba like sign on the front lawn when we talked about the case in LA, 74. Walker and Kennedy were fueding big time! Whoever took a pot shot at Walker seems to have had two friends with em. Phil and Sam hood in NYC thought it was some kind of breakthrough that some left winger finally showed some Balls....We assumed but since there was rumors of the JFK hit at that time, isn't it amazing how the plot really got serious after the pot shot at Walker? Jim

This is very important if true. Is he still alive? Did he tell anyone else? Please contact someone privately you trust on the Forum or another researcher who can follow this up! This could explain many many things about the entire events of 11/22/63. If he is still alive, now that your have given his name on the Forum, tell him to be carefull until his story is recorded and documented. Sincerely, Peter Thanks Peter, You are one of the few researchers who see missing piece... In 93 the research community in Dallas just kiinda ignored us but we did a show about it at the Texas Theater and we got it on tape by professional engineers with the story told by Mr. Burrows....Yesssss. I hope he is still with us. I just called his old number but it is out of service. I have his 93 address: Butch and Maxine Burrows 2414 Arcady Ln Lancaster TX 751355 So Folks, Please let me know if You find anythiing...Together we can crack this cover-up! Jim PS did you know that the Texas Theater was built by Howard Hughes?

Hi Charles, I talked to Butch Burrows in 93, who was the usher in the Texas Theatre and he told me that the Oswald that was shot by Ruby came to the movie being driven by a Volkswagon. He also said that police were taking a taller looking oswald out the side door as the shorter Oswald was taken out the front. From my readings, I thought that Oswald failed the Nitrate tests...negative. could you explain where that evidence was found? I wonder how a test could determine if the gunpowder found on Oswald , if so, was from shooting a rifle or a Pistol? Jim

Hi Charles, I talked to Butch Burrows in 93, who was the usher in the Texas Theatre and he told me that the Oswald that was shot by Ruby came to the movie being driven by a Volkswagon. He also said that police were taking a taller looking oswald out the side door as the shorter Oswald was taken out the front. From my readings, I thought that Oswald failed the Nitrate tests...negative. could you explain where that evidence was found? I wonder how a test could determine if the gunpowder found on Oswald , if so, was from shooting a rifle or a Pistol? Jim

It is urgent, that JFK Researchers expose such powerful socio/religious/politico combinations!"[/color] How are you, Harry? And, so right you are! Is it safe to lump the John Birchers' in with them, or am I just whistling down a well? Plus, isn't obvious how the theory of "Separation of Church and State" never seemed to pertain to these privileged classes, who in reality never amounted to anything more than a bunch of holy-rollers? Talk about Islamic fundamentalists, these Christian guys are just as deadly. Hi, Terry Am in great shape as always, how are you doing? Cant say whats safe, but the Birch Society 'is' lumped in with 'them' politically wise as an invention of, and subversive political extention by 'them'. {see Forum Index re; Harry J.Dean} Until later,always nice to talk with you Terry. Harry Hi Harry, Maybe you or someone can help me out. I remember seeing somewhere or reading about some religious material found by the 6th floor spinpers nest. Is it just my imagination again? Now i just found out there is an oswald rifle for eachh of the 3 Oswalds...same serial numbers but different rifles... and you thought the "Shell Game" was far out! back to the revolution, Jim

****************************************************** Phil also told about how he wrote Crucifixion about JFK WHILE HE WAS IN ENGLAND AND TALKED WITH SOME FOLKS WHO TOLD HIM THAT IT WAS AN ANCIENT SACRIFICIAL RITUAL TO KILL THE BEST! Which reminds me of where I read many years ago how the Dallas police found a religious pamphlet next to the Snipers nest that said something about the redemption of Jesus and other weird stuff.Jim Maybe Gary Mack could tell me. Was there any religious/occult material found near the "Sniper's Nest," as stated above? Kathy Maybe He can. He won't reply to me anymore. Gary seems to promote stories (Badge man) ect and then acts like the truth teller in debunking what he originally promoted. His latest is that the crowd that ran towards the Grassy Knoll were chasing echos of shots from his now 6th Floor Museum. I guess that leaves out the possibility of the Badge Man shooting... he can't have it both ways in my way of thinking. Echos need something to bounce off of and everyone knows the difference of the source of sound and Echos except folks who are bull*%%## Us. Jim

****************************************************** Is that a song about Elvis? It could be about President Kennedy. Kathy I think it really is about his resentment and confusion about being set up in Dallas. During that second set in Chicago Phil also told about how he wrote Crucifixion about JFK WHILE HE WAS IN ENGLAND AND TALKED WITH SOME FOLKS WHO TOLD HIM THAT IT WAS AN ANCIENT SACRIFICIAL RITUAL TO KILL THE BEST! Which reminds me of where I read many years ago how the Dallas police found a religious pamphlet next to the Snipers nest that said something about the redemption of Jesus and other weird stuff. Phil's rationalization for our predicament was that it was some kind of mysterious thing...but he also said that a Para Military squad did it...he was confused and he was compromised. I think they thought that I would keep quiet because any investigation would reveal that my dad worked with the CPUSA. They are not as smart as we sometimes think they are. Jim

Peter, Thanks for the suggestion to contact Bob Fass. It has been the late 60's since I talked with him. Well Just like what Happened to my friend Rusty it is safer for them to terrorize, than eliminate witnesses....but they did both didn't they? They had us pretty scared for a long time....I think they are now scared of their own methods. Phil made a point to me about the fact that 3 men jumped him and strangled him and took his only means of self defense, his knife. Sure they could have chopped him in the neck also ....Wendy knew about the other incident somehow but they all could be true. Wendy died of cancer. I just remembered the first words of the special version Phil sang in Chicago in reply to my request to say something about Dallas, was: "The Golden Idol is the King, I was at his crowning My life just flashed before my eyes, I must be Drowning." I don't think he would be thinking of his death in a song about Elvis. Or why he would need a one way ticket home from an Elvis Concert. Jim

Thank you, Peter, for letting people know there is a method these spies will use -- karate chop. You said Phil Ochs felt he was hit by that to the throat so he wouldn't be able to sing anymore. I heard this rumor years ago and never looked into it: Bob Dylan's career slid after a motorcycle accident in which his throat was injured. After that, his singing got real weird. Kathy Hi Kathy, Psew I am glad that there is a good chance that Lee Odum, Odom if that is his real name, is alive and well. amazing that after all the murders there are still some of us around who have pieces of the puzzle. Getting back to my old friend Phil Ochs. He didn't mention Karate chops but can someone who might have passed out remember everything? I mean if someone like a doctor examined Phil and said it was a chop I don't think Phil would have held that bit of spectacular adventure out of the pictrue that he told me and authhors, like Marc Elliot I would assume. But yes there will always be mysteries about these things and that is cool with me because once I know all the answers, I will really be useless and nobody would want to to even talk to me. Our friend Wendy Winstead told me that he damaged his chords from trying to hang is self from a balcony but the whatever he used for a rope ...broke,,,So that is all I can tell ya and you all get to decide what it all means for yourselves. I am glad to be able to share these memories with you ...this is great therapy for my stress in these memories....I mean we just learned that the photogrpher who took the best picture of JFK bein hit in the throat is found dead with his wife in Dallas of Carbon Monixcide......and what he told the WC was not what the cover-up wanted you to ever know. Gotta go now at the Mosque for a going away party for Nahla and her wonderful family. They are tired of Bush's persecution and will go to live in Egypt in there search for peace and happiness. Love, Jim

I got the impression from watching US vs John Lennon (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=777046699234389996&q=The+U.S.+versus+John+Lennon) that towards the end Lennon and Ono felt used and mistreated by Rubin. Apparently Hoffman & Rubin committed Lennon & Ono to protesting at the Republican National Convention (in Fla?) at a time when Lennon/Ono were realizing that their lives were in danger from their political outspokenness, and they refused to be manipulated into going to the convention. John expressed anger about it on Mike Douglas's show, and Yoko talked about it in footage near the end of the movie. Yes Myra, I always felt manipulated by the Yippies too. Our manager got us booked into Chicago during the convention and we heard by the grapevine that there would be violence. Was the CIA and FBI manipulating the movement? That was their Job! I remember about 4 serious guys came to our apartment at 55 leroy in the village while Jean was out (the typical pattern) and told me that Kissinger was paying Phil. I knew that Phil was doing secret work for some outfit so what could I say? Years later, at Phil's place in LA after his friend who picked me at the airport and briefed me about the Hollywood connection to JFK, and showed me a photo of a man who looked like Lee on the Bus tour as we reached Dallas on the way to Key West, (the man was said to be driving the station wagon that picked up one of the Oswalds) and like a fool I have been looking for him ever since, I told Phil that "some guys said you were working for Kissinger". Phil was mad and told me he was working for an up and coming general in the Air Force....as if Kissinger would be out of the Loop. Phil was deluding himself that he was working for the Good Guys and I think that his general friend also thought that too...goes to show you how gullible we get when we hope we are doin good. I was having lunch at the Latin Restaurant yesterday (Family Jewels day) and ordered my usual Half Cuban with soup and I hears a loud banging from some men at the table behind and to my left but I didn't turn around to look as I was reading and when they left I noticed that the tallest one sure looks a lot like Lee Odom or Odum (could be an alias) that i saw on the Bus around Dallas and also at the Brandon Library 1990, when My girl friend who's Dad was CIA was getting a book out about Felix Rodrigus. This look a like had grey hair by now and his hook nose was even longer. I watched as they left and outside a younger man gave him a kiss on the cheek and they got in a car and left and later one of the men he was with walked by the window and was wearing some kind of big earpiece in his right ear. It could have been Lee or his double, but I am facinated by it all. They always seem to come to me. Jim

---------------- Thanks John, you are jogging my memories. I always wondered if Phil told Dylan the whole story. I wonder if Phil and Dylan's first manager, Albert Grossman knew because he was his manager when Phil went to Dallas. Here is what I recently found and sent to John Simkin that makes me wonder even more. "I just found something I forgot about Phil....Al Grossman was his earlyest manager...Phil used to say Grossman was the smartest and he was in awe and kind of feared Grossman in the sense that Phil got nervous in his presence. Now a few weeks ago when I was trying to pin down exactly where the first Hootenanny tour bus was when JFK was shot....One of the singers in the group the Yaghtsmen said "the gig in Dallas was cancelled Just before we left LA". That made me think maybe I was not the only one who had pre knowledge...so when I got back the records from the library at SMU in Dallas, an early summer article said Peter Paul and Mary will be appearing Nov 22. So when I followed up on that I thought "OK JFK was killed and then there should be an announcement that due to the Assassination, the Gig was cancelled. But I found out that was not the case. As late as Nov 8th there was an announcement that the date was now Nov 23 and then another that that gig was cancelled due to the Assassination...Strange that the concert only had a two week notice! PP&M were big stars and not on our Little star Tour which was advertised in Corpus Christie comming on Nov 5th as being possibly the same as the TV Show.....There was a Folk scare in the Month before JFK was killed in that modern Folk music was goin to be in Texas and Southern colleges for the first time. The FBI mentions in the beginning of Phil Och's files that Folk singers and subversives were the same bunch. This does not prove anything but if Phil and I knew and the man who talked me into going on the Hootenanny tour knew that JfK was going to be killed even if He only knew because I told him ..but he did say "I know and that is why we want you to go...but don't write anything down or interfere because it is too dangerous" Well, It seems that the record shows to me anyway that there is now circumstantial evidence that Albert Grossman as well as others in Show biz would have heard about the rumor which turned out to be true. Another interesting thing is that Jim and Jean (me and my ex wife) were not listed as being on the Tour at all....I guess if we had to be taken care of, who would know we were anywhere at the time." ************ When we were Back at Ohio State, Phil would read me articles about the defection of Lee Harvey Oswald and I would say "yes I have thought of goin to Russia too". Just like "the Family Jewels" released yesterday by the CIA, Phil told me that the CIA would assassinate Castro. I didn't think they could actually do it.. we bet 5 bucks on that but Phil never paid me on that one. I don't even think that Phil thought for sure that Oswald was a real Defector...I Didn't. Phil and Sam Hood at the GasLight were kind of excited when they read that someone took a pot shot at General Walker in Dallas because it was the first time in history that a left winger (we supposed) showed some balls. Ruth Pain thinks this proves Oswald shot JFK, but the police report waas that there were two other men with a car . Oswald didn't drive, remember? and how is he gonna get his rifle back home...on a bus? Here is a letter I just got from a friend from Ohio State about RFK and JFK....He also was Physically attacked for his research. They hit him on the head with a brick and told him to get out of DC. "Jim: It's your old friend Rusty from Columbus. If you remember, I told you about the RFK assassination - Bobby had always suspected a combination of the Mafia, Cuban exiles and ex-CIA due to Bobby's crackdown on the Mafia and the failed Cuban expedition. He had mentioned to someone that the first thing he was going to do once elected was open an investigation - next thing you know he's gone. It was widely accepted in Washington and well known when I worked for Mark Lane. Nothing really new. Rusty" ------ I guess there are no real secrets anymore. I hope somebody tells me something in the Family Jewels that we didn't already know when it was goin down. Jim

Three "Radicals" have slipped our memories here. Abbie Hoffman, dying from an overdose of phenolbarbital. Jerry Rubin dying while jaywalking. Somewhat of a friend to John Lennon. And then there's Hunter Thompson, supposedly shooting himself in the head. Thompson wrote a book about the Hell's Angels. In his last year, some people believe he witnessed or filmed a human sacrifice in Bohemian Grove, a place where certain politicians more or less turn their soul over to the devil and undergo the burning of their consciences. And about Sal Mineo -- he was gay. That could have played a part. I have never been convinced that the black man whom they blamed, really killed Sal Mineo. Other journalists: Dorothy Kilgallen, dead from mixing sleeping pills and alcohol. Was writing a book about the Assassination conspiracy. Irv Kupcinet -- questioned a mob member about Jack Ruby, as soon as he saw Ruby shoot Oswald. Four days later Irv's daughter was murdered by compression of her left carotid artery, or by a karate chop. Jim Koethe -- also killed by karate chop. He was a reporter and gay and may have known too much about Ruby. Kathy ...ah 'good old' Op CHAOS...still ongoing. Hoffman [if I remember correctly] had someone mess around wiht his master brake valve of his car and a nearly fatal crash before he died 'otherwise' though not depressed. Kilgallan was 99% murdered after interview with Ruby and she gave notes to a friend who died shortly there after. I remember SDS meetings and others full of provocateurs, creeps, spooks, and worse.....The list is endless, Jessica Savitch, Karen Silkwood, disruption of many many groups and movements, demos, MOVE, Back Panthers, more by the truckload, tampering with and promotion of drugs, promoting violence in otherwise peacfull groups and setting them up by 'violent' goon plants and false evidence...still goes on in Enviornmental and animal rights and peace groups. I could go on all day listing Cassalero and others who all too mysteriously and conveniently died during investigations that someone didn't want known. I know JFK researchers who died mysteriously too and am working on this angle just now. Peter, I always wondered about the death of the photographer James Altgens because he and his wife were found dead in their house. I haven't found anything about the autopsy but from an article I saved from St Pete times DEC 15, 1995. "the Bodies of Mr Altgens and his wife Clara, were found Tuesday at their home in Dallas, according to an employee of Sparkman-Hillcrest Funeral Home. Autopsies were ordered and toxicology tests were under way....said Laurie Nazzreno of the Dallas County medical examiners office" I guess it may have been a coincidence that they were found dead together but I wonder... Phil's voice was much lower after he told me he was strangled in Africa and when he played the Quiet knight in Chicago around 74 I asked him while we were shooting pool in the back room with Arlo and Bob Gibson if he would say anything about bein in Dallas in 63 and he said "listen to my second set". I was disappointed because I didn't hear him say anything concrete but when I heard a tape of the show a few years ago, it seems he was hinting at the trip in a special version of the song called "one Way ticket home". In that version he does not sing about the king Elvis which is what everybody thinks the song is about but he just sings I was there at the crowning. but I kinda got the analogy just like Crusifixion is about the crown of thorns of Jesus "King of the Jews". But hear are the lyrics for commercial use but in the version he sang at the Quiet knight there is no Elvis at all and the king is the question. When I read in the Warren report about a witness at the Texas Theater he tells about a man who was there that just looked at him but said nothing and I wonder maybe they dropped Phil off there along with two Oswalds. this is ike the version he sang in Chicago except he does not mention Elvis at all who one would think is the subject of the song but without Elvis it could be about Camelot. I'd like a one-way ticket home, ticket home Em A D D Where I can watch television, talk on the telephone Em A D But every town I wander there's a billboard on a throne A7 Ticket home D I want a ticket home Em A D G Does anybody know my name, or recognize my face Em A D G I must have come from somewhere, but I can't recall the place Em A D G they dropped me at the matinee, they left without a trace A7 Ticket home D I want a ticket home G D Elvis Presley is the king, I was at his crowning E G A My life just flashed before my eyes, I must be drowning Seems like only yesterday I climbed aboard the plane Raping distance in the skies, while diving in champagne I would be in exile now, but everywhere's the same Ticket home I want a ticket home Elvis Presley is the king, I was at his crowning My life just flashed before my eyes, I must be drowning Seems like only yesterday I climbed aboard the plane Raping distance in the sky, while diving in champagne I would be in exile now, but everywhere's the same Ticket home I want a ticket home So after what happened to Bobby, he was not about to give more than hints just like Crucifixion was the code for JFK, The "Bay of Pigs" was Nixon's code for JFK during Watergate.

What do you know about the lady in the polka dot dress Jim? I didn't think anything was known about her. I don't have any personal knowledge of the RFK case, I found the above info on googleing it so today I tried again http://www.google.com/search?client=safari...-8&oe=UTF-8 Actually I was relived that the description did not match Jean's. Also Jean and Phil were well enough known to have been recognized I am sure. forgot to record the articles but there maybe more on "Girl" instead of Lady in Polka dot dress. I always had this in my mind that Jean had a polka dot dress....but I am not sure. And she would not want to hurt RFK anymore than Phil or I would. since we were all set up for the JFK assassination in one form or another, for the purpose of confusion it is possible that there were other ladies in Polka dot dresses... and one report said that there were others in polka dot dresses...don't know which though....But I can imagine certain ladies in LA hiding their polka dot dresses after that report came out. Maybe Hoover had one too. Just talked to Jean and she was not at the Ambassador and was surprised to learn about the new info on RFK's secret investigation in "Brothers" and that Phil was working with his campaign for president. She does think that she also had a Polka dot dress though.... Glad I got that cleared up.

Yes Kathy....they definatly did not like us. I was just tryin to find where I heard Phil singin for John Lennon in a motel room during benifit for John Sinclear. He was busted for pot. Actually Phil and I had a big disagreement about that. I am for decriminalization. the drug War is just another way to fund the chaos. Phil thought that John Lennon was a bad influenece on the movement because Nixon was making us out to be just a bunch of pot heads... I wonder now which is more dangerous...then or now? What am I thinking! there is only Now and foreever. I could post scary Documents like northwoods like how the Joint Chiefs and all the branches were trying to come up with many ways to make it look like Cuba started a confrontation so that they could invade Cuba full scale right under JFK's nose. OK. I talked me into it if you are curious. http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Scann...0NORTHWOODS.pdf But all that is history Folks.... This is now. I just had to send a fellow Peace activist from here in Florida this letter: "Hi Sami, We were both at Peace rallies in Tampa and I was that Folk singer leading "We shall free Sami" out side the Jail House ...Man that was a big House. As a fellow freedom fighter and as a Jew who has been through many tests where I survived also, I think you are aware that you really have won. Your whole family and even all the world has shared your torture by this war criminal George Bush. You and your great family have not only survived but you are triumphant and will be victims no longer. I think like our shared forefather Abraham, Your family will be champions and leaders for a new hope of peace and justice in the world. I think the good folks of Egypt will see your wisdom and suffering as new opportunity for our little planet. I hope we can keep in touch because you are really free now....We have won and our tormentor who has tormented our little planet well have to account some day. God is Great! Hope we can meet some day and I'll pay for the drinks... Jim" PS we saw the movie "US verses Sami Al Arian" and it blew us away. Best wishes, Jim

Did you know that a Cuban Exile who survived the Bay of Pigs was on guard duty the night John Lennon was killed? In Cuba he was known as San Jenis. When he was at the Dakota, he went by the name Jose Perdomo. A member of this forum told me Perdomo was kept on to do little CIA jobs. What a strange coincidence. Kathy Wow Kathy, I should have guessed eh? I just looked up the RFK case cause I figured since Phil was workin for him he would probably have been at the Ambassador to celebrate Roberts big victory and the last Words Robert said were "on to Chicago!". Well now I know why Phil put on his tomestone record cover "Died in Chicago" The police Chiief in LA is CIA, Sirhan's hynotist is CIA contract, the Lady in the Polka dot dress is KKK with Mob, FBI connections and others like every weirdo in the war on Hippies.

Three "Radicals" have slipped our memories here. Abbie Hoffman, dying from an overdose of phenolbarbital. Jerry Rubin dying while jaywalking. Somewhat of a friend to John Lennon. And then there's Hunter Thompson, supposedly shooting himself in the head. Thompson wrote a book about the Hell's Angels. In his last year, some people believe he witnessed or filmed a human sacrifice in Bohemian Grove, a place where certain politicians more or less turn their soul over to the devil and undergo the burning of their consciences. And about Sal Mineo -- he was gay. That could have played a part. I have never been convinced that the black man whom they blamed, really killed Sal Mineo. Other journalists: Dorothy Kilgallen, dead from mixing sleeping pills and alcohol. Was writing a book about the Assassination conspiracy. Irv Kupcinet -- questioned a mob member about Jack Ruby, as soon as he saw Ruby shoot Oswald. Four days later Irv's daughter was murdered by compression of her left carotid artery, or by a karate chop. Jim Koethe -- also killed by karate chop. He was a reporter and gay and may have known too much about Ruby. Kathy Wow Kathy, You have studied this deeper than I have. Phil's sister Sonny told me that Jerry Rubin was the last of his old friends to see Phil. I did not know that Jerry is gone too. Sorry to hear that. I have always suspected that the same forces took John Lennon away too. Yoko blames herself for goin out to Eat when they were tired but The Assassin would have stalked until his program was complete. Most of us Folk singers in the US and Canada knew it was a plot...now we are past the dots and connecting the Plots! When Phil told me about him being strangled it shook me up too. I have been worked on in like fashion several times but I don't feel like talking about it right now. The main thing to realize is when they are scaring you (that is why we call them Spooks!) We are lucky because that means they are too scared themselves to cross the line because someone can always be spyin on them.

Thanks John for that amazing doc. so by April, Phil is supporting Bobby..like they are gonna be brothers. And Here the Huac, which Ironically RFK got his start workin for, are still tryin to keep the Lincoln Brigade that Hemingway wrote about the "Premature Fascists" on the enemies list. The Lincoln Brigade had a lots of marxists in the ranks as well as other freedom fighters who knew they had to stop the Fascists that Hitler Mousillini and Henry Ford and Prescott Bush were backing with big arms and banking deals. I found your thread on the hidden meaning of Hidell....very interesting. we know that Dulles had a program of false defectors and legends....I doubt that Lee ever met his Double...He would have ran back to Russia. Thanks, Jim

I am so glad you brought this up Myra, Yes there is only one Phil Ochs in this world. The writers got it wrong because Phil told me he was jumped and strangled but the thing that freaked him out the most was that they did not take his money or wallet or passport...only his knife. That my dear is a psy ops message. Phil got it.

Kathy I'm not convinced it's him either. Whereas the photo of the man in front of the TSBD really looks like him. Well Kathy, You may be right...The thing that amazed me about the one in front of the TBDB is it showed the torpedo shape of George's head...even from the side and the characteristic way he has his hands in his pockets...his childhood picture where he looks like actor Brandon Dedwilde in Shane. I think the research community were hiding this one from me cause everybody including the FBI knew I was looking for him. I still want the identity of both for history. I tried to compare the two photos of the Bush Doubles in Dealy and Parkland and well somebody tell me if they are different.. I mean George tells the FBI he is on his way to Dallas and I don't think he had time to change his clothes.. it is a short hop from Dealy to Parkland.

Jim, you don't by any chance mean Ed Sanders of the Fugs, do you? Ed's book on Manson was far superior to Bugliosi's. He actually did some deep investigative work - unlike Bugliosi who merely presented what he needed to present as a prosecutor... that is, a conviction didn't require deep background work. I bet Ed could write a better book on the assassination, too. Yes Greg, I asked the same question to my friend Graig who found it and he didn't think it was the Fugs's Ed. But I know this article is right on because he describes Phil better than any writer so far. The Fugs Ed had a crush on Jean at the Cafe A go go....in the Village. I picked up Charlie Manson and two of his girl friends in my Volkswagen bus. It was when they were casing out our little neighborhood...Topanga Canyon. I was lucky they got out and that I did not tell him where I lived but not before he told me his whole life story...in prison and about his new record being produced by the Beach Boys..... I've had a few close calls. Bugliosi is a stooge for the cover-up. But I think we can turn him in the end.

Sorry, I misquoted Ed Saunders above. They got together at RFK's Senate Office which now I am sure that He would think was bugged.

Sure Kathy, I just discovered this thread and I think I tried to answer some questions at http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...10194&st=15 It was kiind of like Hitler Youth because here I was in School learning about how bad Communist countries are because they have kids spying on their parents and here George Bush who thinks it will help him be president asks me to spy on my folks. Screw him.....i decided to keep looking for answers....it has been painful but I am overcoming it all now by not trying to forget like our system tells us to do.

Yes thanks John, We now have record also that he met with Bobby and sang Cruxifixiion (JFK) twice ...Once on a plane which would be ideal to defeat Bugs and the article by Ed Saunders about at the convention. I think Phil told Bobby that he was there and Bobby decided to keep it all secret until he won back the white House! It still is gonna take a president to open it all up. Jim

Could also be Bill Moyers. Funny but he looks shorter then Kucinich.