Don Roberdeau

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http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2013-11-23/texas-doctor-tried-save-kennedys-life


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Texas Doctor Tried to Save Kennedy's Life

By JON MARK BEILUE
MORRIS NEWS SERVICE – updated Saturday, November 23, 2013 - 11:05pm

Sean Steffen / AGN Dr. Don Curtis speaks during a symposium at the

Panhandle-Plains Historical Museum Thursday, November 7, 2013

about his experiences in the Emergency Room at Parkland Memorial

Hospital in Dallas when President Kennedy was brought in. This year is

the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination.

Sean Steffen / AGN Media


A surgery was scheduled for the afternoon, and Don Curtis thought it best to get a bite to eat in the Parkland Hospital cafeteria while he could. At about 12:30 p.m., the same ahead seemed routine, or as routine as it could be in a hospital.

Curtis, who grew up in Amarillo, was 26. He was a resident in oral and maxillofacial surgery at Parkland in Dallas.

But Curtis soon felt the weight of history was thrust upon him.

“I saw what I thought was the president’s car, and it looked like it had just arrived at the ER entrance,” Curtis said. “I was walking down the hall, and a policeman ran up to me and said, ‘Are you a doctor?’ I said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘Hurry, come with me.’”

In a matter of seconds, about 12:45 p.m. on Nov. 22, 1963, young Dr. Curtis was in Trauma Room 1 along with Dr. Charles Carrico and a nurse futilely attempting to save the life of President John F. Kennedy.

Curtis didn’t have time to be overwhelmed by the enormity of the moment. He didn’t have time for anxiety. All he could do was be a doctor.

Carrico was at the president’s head. He placed an endotracheal tube down the president’s throat and applied a respirator into the tube to maintain artificial respiration.

Curtis then unbuttoned Kennedy’s bloody shirt and saw what he was certain was a bullet entrance wound in the pretracheal area of the throat. There was large swelling and blood on the president’s neck.

Curtis then moved toward Kennedy’s ankle to perform a cutdown, where an incision is made and a vein is dissected for a catheter.

“I pulled the president’s pants leg up and saw a piece of his brain and that gave me a clue his prognosis was not good,” Curtis said.

By then, the trauma room was filled with every senior doctor as they watched their colleagues work on the president.

Another doctor stepped in to replace Dr. Kemp Clark, a neurosurgeon who’d been working on Kennedy. He pulled up the president’s head to examine the back. Then came the words that will always stay with Curtis.

“He said, ‘Stop. Stop resuscitation. This is incompatible with life.’”

The room was quiet.

“No one knew what to say,” Curtis said. “We just stood there looking at each other.”

With all the hospital chiefs there, Curtis — a first-year resident — thought it best to now excuse himself. But Jackie Kennedy, the presidents’s wife, blocked his exit.

So he remained as each chief examined the fatal head wound and left. Curtis, too, said he “got a good look at it.” The cerebellum of the brain was gone.

Curtis went to tell the patient scheduled for afternoon surgery it was postponed. He made his rounds and then went home. In a meeting the following Monday, one day after assassin Lee Harvey Oswald was killed, the doctors there came to an understanding they would mention as little of what they had seen as possible.

That is until President Lyndon Johnson put together the Warren Commission, a group charged with investigating the assassination. In short time, Curtis had a pre-interview with special counsel Arlen Specter.

To Curtis, it seemed the future Pennsylvania senator was trying to sway, if not intimidate, him about Kennedy’s wounds. Curtis, along with several other Parkland doctors, he said, thought the throat wound was an entrance wound, not an exit one, which would mean more than one assassin.

Specter kept pushing that he see it as an exit wound or a hematoma. Curtis believed later that narrative fit the official Warren report version that Oswald acted alone.

Fifty years ago, there were no burgeoning conspiracy controversies. Curtis, familiar with gunshot wounds from his trauma room work at Parkland, just knew what he saw.

In the official deposition with the Warren Commission on March 24, 1964, Specter asked Curtis 57 questions. Specter’s questions danced around the throat wound.

Curtis tried to put that time behind him. He went on to a long and distinguished career in Amarillo.

It unnerved him, he said, that of around 1,400 people called to testify before the Warren Commission, 118 died unusual and sometimes mysterious deaths. Oliver Stone’s 1991 conspiracy-centric movie, “JFK,” didn’t help.

When the Warren Commission released its report in September 1964, more than 80 percent of Americans believed the veracity of its conclusion that Oswald was a lone demented gunman. Since then, conspiracies have sprouted and never gone away. According to a Gallup poll last month, 61 percent of Americans — including Curtis — believe the assassination was a conspiracy, though that’s down from 75 percent in 2003.

There are those who have known Curtis for 40 years who didn’t know his place in history.

Only as the 50th anniversary approached has he broken his silence, first with a civic club or two, then two weeks ago, at an event at West Texas A&M University.

He could be the only living witness to the events in Trauma Room 1 at Parkland on that day a half-century ago. It’s a notion that has impacted him.

“Through the years, it has been of little interest to me,” Curtis said, “but it has become worrisome to me in the last year. It was a terrible event. And it is still worrisome to me that I can’t reconcile my knowledge of what I saw with the findings of the government.”


• Jon Mark Beilue is an AGN Media columnist. He can be reached at jon.beilue@amarillo.com or (806) 345-3318. His blog and video blog appear on amarillo.com.

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FWIW, while there has been little headway in much of the case, some baby steps were apparent at the conference. When, in 2004, I went to the Lancer Conference and told people I thought the explosion in frame 313 came as a result of a bullet striking the skull at a tangent, just as claimed by Dr. William Kemp Clark, I was pretty much all alone. Now, if I've read them right, Tink Thompson and Robert Groden also believe this is a tangential strike, albeit from the front, and Sherry Fiester seems open to the idea.

In other words, some of the more prominent CTs are gradually coming round to my position there was no small entrance hole by Kennedy's right temple.

I missed Wecht's presentation, but he seemed open to Tink and Groden's new theory, and am pretty sure neither Mantik nor Aguilar discussed this never-seen (except possibly by Robinson) but long presumed entrance by the temple. So yeah, if I'm counting right, that means there were 7 presentations on the medical evidence, none of which discussed an entrance wound by Kennedy's temple.

This has only occurred to me in retrospect, of course, so it's possible one or more of the presenters mentioned it in passing. But I sure do remember hearing the word "tangential" a lot.

Baby steps.

I wish I could remember the source, but there was relatively early book which involved a confession from this fellow out of New Orleans...lots of really strange stuff in it but one of the items of

information in the book was that there was a witness the author interviewed who had lived near the short lived exile camp outside New Orleans in 1963. One of the things that puzzled him was that he observed them firing

a rifle into a barrel of water, apparently to recover the shells as well as the hulls.

Just one of those misc. things out of the last decades that you file away and shake your head whenever you think about it again...

Hi Larry.... Had a definite memory of reading the same My Friend, took on several books-searching, + eventually found + re-read the following with respect to self-claimed accomplice, ROBERT WILFRED EASTERLING....

(from MICHAEL BENSON, "Who's Who in the JFK Assassination: An A to Z Encyclopedia," 1993, pg. 121-122)

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What are the distances from the bench to the picket fence,grassy knoll, and the limo?

Yea, I would like to see a schematic drawing of Dealey Plaza that includes the park bench the black couple was sitting on.

BK

Good Day.... FYI, after the film's recent showing at the Toronto Film Festival....

" The book published this fall will indeed be an updated version of NIYL. Massively

updated, with significant new, unpublished information in the final chapter."

I am confused. Summers's Conspiracy was billed as "the definitive book" on the case.

WIll this new one be "even more definitive"?

Tony Summers is one of the few researcher-writers who has the ability to change his mind and view with new information, and since the publication of "Conspiracy," we have learned a lot more from the recently released files and new witnesses.

Certainly "definitive" is determined by when it is published, with the most up to date information, and changes constantly with new information.

When it was first published I thought "Conspiracy" was terrific because it was one of the first books to dedicate serious journalistic principles and techniques to the case - and I hadn't seen this TV documentary in which Tony interview some of the most important witnesses, and asks the right questions. Getting these people to go on camera must have took some convincing - and Tony has a charming ability to get witnesses to trust him.

The JFK Conspiracy – BBC 1978

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxU14SL5U8A

Tony Summers Producer

When Tony was in Florida interviewing John Martino's widow and son for his Vanity Fair article, I was in Atlantic City talking to Martino's sister and brother, and I assisted him in some of the research for Not In Your Lifetime, for which he sites in the footnotes - concerning Jim Braden and Carl Mather.

Since then we located the Man on the Motorcycle in Mexico City who reportedly gave Oswald a ride to the Cuban Embassy, and Tony interviewed him, so there should be an update on that, as well as other areas where we have learned more from the files.

Having been a runner up for the Pulitizer Prize Tony and Robbyn should get more respect than those Conspiracy Theorists who write books trying to blame the assassination on someone or some agency or government.

As Pat Speer has noted, most of the movie and documentary film money is being poured into anti-or-counter conspiracy productions, and eventually someone will come along with the money to make a real documentary using Summers work as a firm basis, but probably not in our lifetime.

Bill Kelly

Good Day.... Our longtime dedicated researcher, Mrs. MARTHA MOYER, has reminded me (Thank You + Hat Tip, MARTHA) that in his 1964 warrenatti-transcribed-testimony Dr. CARRICO gave his home address where he may have actually buried a JFK skull piece as, 2605 Ridgwood in the Dallas suburb of Irving, TX

(note: his street name may also have been spelled, "Ridgewood")

Who here lives in/near Dallas?!!

After many appeals from serious researchers I have decided to reopen the JFK Forum. I will once again try to make it a place where members can rationally discuss the evidence. This time rule (iv) will be rigorously applied:

Members should not make personal attacks on other members. Nor should references be made to their abilities as researchers. Most importantly, the motivations of the poster should not be questioned. At all times members should concentrate on what is being said, rather than who is saying it. It is up to the reader to look at the biography submitted by the poster, to judge whether they are telling the truth or not. The word xxxx is banned from use on the forum.

We have tried warning persistent offenders and placing people on moderation. This seemed to have little impact on their long-term behaviour. In future I will be applying a zero-tolerance policy. If someone breaks the rules, I will remove their right to post on the Forum. In this way I hope to persuade some of those important researchers to return to the Forum.

Ian and Daniel

I checked at Duncans and found this newer Nix gif by Rick Needham, posted by Gerda in a thread...showing

the piece ,flying out from the back of JFK's head..thank you to Rick and Duncan's site...b

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Attached Thumbnails

.... Good Day Bernice.... It has always been interesting, research-wise, to realize that

NIX was an almost perfect 180-degrees opposite ZAPRUDER when the President's head first

exploded. (had NIX been as close or closer than ZAPRUDER to JFK and on the same line-of-sight,

the clarity of the NIX film would have probably been much higher while we had the nearly full,

360-degrees view of President KENNEDY when his head first exploded)

I am astounded that looking at the above, stabilized NIX gif-animation head shot segment

that RICK NEEDHAM provided, that no experienced researcher, immediately, observed what is

obvious.

With regard to the first-appearing, orange-color-highlight-circled, so-called, "black square"

(that first flashes above the surface of the trunk at a level with Mrs. KENNEDY's right elbow),

apparently, no one else, on any forum, has observed that large, totally "black square" appears

B-E-F-O-R-E the President's head had even, first, exploded.

That "black square" appearing before the head explodes, we can be sure, was impossible.

(if anyone "thinks" that first, pre-explosion "black square" to have been a piece of JFK's head)

In reality, the impacting bullet moved the upper-half of President's head forward about 1" to 2"

(and as the skull fractured, the outline of the head also changed) and the explosion was caused

by the bullet's expanding, briefly-contained, pressurized shock wave .... then, a micro-second

after the explosion, the explosive forces radiating in all directions away from the bullet's

trajectory caused the skull fragments and brain matter to be detached from the higher-

pressurized inner-skull/head container, propelling them to flying away from the head.

IMHO, the initial, pre-head-explosion "black square" is, most likely, a large film artifact; possibly

a result caused during or after the film's processing.

Additionally, the follow-up orange-highlight-circled, smaller, darker somethings that are seen

on the limo trunk appear to me to be dark reflections of something(s) that is/are stationary,

that were located above the limo on the grassy knoll. (NIX's camera lens was approximately 12'

to 13' higher than the limo trunks horizontal surface)

Using an accurate DP map, my one-time, quick, line-of-sight measurement starting from NIX's

precise attack-filming location, directed at the Z-313 precise location of when President

Kennedy's head first exploded, indicates that the follow-up darker-something's are most likely,

simply, reflections on the limo trunk of then-darker colored components of the North Pergola

(probably darker because the reflected darker components were in the darker shade caused by

the sun). There are also some lighter, sunlit components of the North Pergola seen reflected on

the trunk as the limo moves forward.

Best Regards in Research

+++Don

Donald Roberdeau

United States Navy

U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker

Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly

For your key considerations and independent determinations....

Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Key Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html

The Dealey Plaza Detailed Map: Providing 11-22-63 Victims Precise Locations + Reactions, Evidence, Witnesses Locations, Suspected Bullet Trajectories, Important Information & Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.images...updated1111.gif

(2012 updated map, + new information)

Visual Report: The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: While JFK was Still Hidden Under the "magic-limbed-ricochet-tree".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif

Visual Report: Reality Versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-in, Garbage-out.... http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif

Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS

Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and

Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll"....

http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394

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http://keranews.org/post/parkland-doctor-breaks-50-year-silence-about-day-jfk-was-shot

**** NOTE **** Even though doctor JOHN HENRY "Red" DUKE claims

in this 2013 article that this is the first time he has spoken publicly, in

fact, I remembered (and documented it on my 16,700 pages timeline)

that on 11-22-03 doctor DUKE, actually, spoke publicly in a segment

played on "National Public Radio," that is still available for you in

transcript and audio forms, here....

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1516423

**** NOTE **** In the same 11-22-03 "NPR" segment doctor ROBERT G.

GROSSMAN was also interviewed, claiming that he was in Parkland

Hospital trauma room #1, and, he claimed that he saw President

KENNEDY's head wounds up close.... Unfortunately for GROSSMAN, their

are key doubts that he was actually in trauma room #1....

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/grossman.htm

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Parkland Doctor Breaks 50-Year Silence About

The Day JFK Was Shot

By BJ AUSTIN

For the first time, a doctor at Parkland Hospital in 1963 is speaking

publically about his role after bullets struck President John F. Kennedy's

motorcade in downtown Dallas. This year is the 50th anniversary of the

President's assassination.

LISTEN: http://cpa.ds.npr.org/kera/audio/2013/02/10279.mp3

Dr. Red Duke, renowned trauma surgeon from Houston was on the

thoracic surgery team at Parkland Hospital in 1963. His job that day was

to help save the life of wounded Texas Governor John Connally, also shot

as he rode in the motorcade. After 50 years, he told his story for the

first time: to hundreds of emergency medicine doctors and technicians

gathered at the Dallas Sheraton for an annual conference.

“We didn’t talk much about it, Duke told his audience. "Well, I never

have. This is the first time I’ve ever said anything about it.”

Dr. Duke recalled going downstairs to the Emergency Room, seeing

crowds of people, and Jacqueline Kennedy, sitting on a chair outside

Trauma Room 1 – her pink suit stained with blood. He entered, saw the

President’s devastating head wound, and was quickly shifted to Trauma

Room 2 to take care of the Governor.

“He had this big chest wound. His lung was flopping in and out," Duke

recalled. "So I stopped it up and put a chest tube in him – just like you

do any other gunshot wound.”

But it was the Governor of Texas, and it was a day like no other. Dr.

Duke says after he stabilized Connally, they rushed him into surgery.

And, for the first time ever, they had a radio in the operating room.

“We heard all the things. The President’s been pronounced dead. And all

the other events that followed. We heard about the officer being shot

over in Oak Cliff,” Duke said.

After chest surgery, more doctors arrived to repair bullet damage to

Connally’s right wrist and retrieve a fragment of bullet lodged in his thigh,

near the femoral artery. Two days later, Dr. Duke was back in a trauma

room working to save the life of accused assassin Lee Harvey Oswald,

who was shot by Jack Ruby.

Dr. Duke says after the events of that November, he got out of town. He

went deer hunting in Pampa Texas – a nice place to hide, he said. He

says he worked that day as trained and on instinct, trying to save his

patient. Any thoughts of a place in history had to wait.

TAGS: JFK Kennedy Assasination Red Duke Governor John Connally

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Best Regards in Research

+++Don

Donald Roberdeau

United States Navy

U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker

Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly

For your key considerations and independent determinations....

Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Key Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html

The Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif

(new info, 2012 updated map)

Visual Report: The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden Under the "Magic-limbed-ricochet-tree".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif

Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-in, Garbage-out.... http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif

Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS

Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and

Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll"....

http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394

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http://www.dhs.gov

Good Day.... FYI....

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/judicial-watch-files-foia-lawsuit-against-national-archives-challenging-withholding-1761009.htm

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SOURCE: Judicial Watch

February 25, 2013 13:51 ET

Judicial Watch Files FOIA Lawsuit Against National Archives

Challenging the Withholding of RFK Department of Justice

Records

Kennedy Family Continues to Keep Secret Government

Records in Violation of the Freedom of Information Act

WASHINGTON, DC--(Marketwire - Feb 25, 2013) - On February 12, 2013,

Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit on

behalf of author/historian Max Holland against the National Archives

and Records Administration (NARA). The suit challenges the withholding

of Robert F. Kennedy's records while he served as Attorney General,

including "assassination records" relevant to the November 22, 1963

murder of his brother, former President John F. Kennedy (Holland v.

National Archives and Records Administration (No. 13-00185)). These

records are currently under control of the Kennedy family under the

auspices of the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum in

Dorchester, Massachusetts.

Judicial Watch filed a series of Freedom of Information Act requests

in fall 2012 with NARA after press outlets reported that the JFK

Library was in possession of more than 60 boxes of records from Robert

F. Kennedy's tenure as the U.S. Attorney General. Contained in these

boxes are diaries, notes, phone logs, messages, trip files, memoranda,

reports, and other records concerning the Cuban missile crisis, the

war in Vietnam, the civil rights movement, and law enforcement

activities of both the FBI and Justice Department.

Although it has been reported that numerous government archivists and

historians believe these records -- an undetermined number of which

are government records -- should be made publicly available, none of

the records are available for review and they remain under control of

the Kennedy family.

In response to Judicial Watch's September 26, 2012, FOIA request, NARA

produced a list describing a group of records that were referenced by

the press reports, including records involving the JFK assassination.

Judicial Watch subsequently filed a FOIA request with NARA on December

5, 2012, on behalf of author/historian Max Holland seeking access to

the following records:

Copies of the seven records identified in the enclosed "Documents from

the Robert F. Kennedy Papers: Attorney General's Confidential File

which have been identified by the JFK Assassination Records Review

Board as 'assassination records.'"

NARA was required by law to respond to Judicial Watch's FOIA request

by January 9, 2013. However, as of the date of Judicial Watch's

complaint, NARA has failed to provide any records responsive to the

request or indicate when any responsive records will be produced. NARA

has also failed to demonstrate that responsive records are exempt from

production, prompting Judicial Watch's lawsuit.

November 22, 2013, will mark the 50th anniversary of the assassination

of President Kennedy. The circumstances surrounding his assassination

have been a source of controversy and public fascination for decades.

To complete the public record on the Kennedy assassination, Congress

established the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB), an

independent agency, to "gather and open" all "assassination records"

concerned with Kennedy's death, as mandated under the President John

F. Kennedy Records Collection Act of 1992, 44 U.S.C.§ 2107 (Supp. V

1994).

According to Judicial Watch's FOIA lawsuit, seven records deemed to be

"assassination records" by the ARRB, which issued its final report in

1998, remain secret to this day. They include some of the president's

personal records; documents describing Central Intelligence Activities

in Cuba; a Cuban Information Service message dated 1/26/63 entitled,

"THE PLANES THAT WERE NOT THERE;" a State Department incoming cable

from Mexico; and a document entitled, "Information on Lincoln Bubble

Top Automobile sinse [sic] returning from Dallas." (A Lincoln

Continental with a removable bubble top was the presidential limousine

used by President Kennedy).

Judicial Watch and its client, author/historian Max Holland, have

requested all of these records be disclosed pursuant to FOIA law.

"Over a six-year period in the 1990s, the U.S. government spent

millions of tax dollars and untold man-hours in an effort to gather in

one place all assassination-related documents," Holland said. "It was

and remains outrageous that relevant government documents in the

papers of the attorney general at the time are somehow out of reach."

"The JFK records are clearly government records and they should be

disclosed in accordance with FOIA law," said Judicial Watch President

Tom Fitton. "This lawsuit is about much more than the Kennedy

assassination. It goes to the heart of how much control a presidential

family may assert over public records. These records do not belong to

the Kennedy family -- the records belong to the American people."

Holland, a 1972 graduate of Antioch College, is author and editor of

Washington Decoded, an online publication. He is writing a history of

the Warren Commission for Alfred A. Knopf publishers, a manuscript

which received the J. Anthony Lukas Work in Progress award in 2001. He

is a contributing editor to The Nation and the Wilson Quarterly, and

sits on the editorial advisory board of the International Journal of

Intelligence and CounterIntelligence. Holland is also the author,

editor, or co-author of six books, most recently Leak: Why Mark Felt

Became Deep Throat (University Press of Kansas, March 2012) and Blind

over Cuba: The Photo Gap and the Missile Crisis (Texas A&M University

Press, September 2012).

Visit www.judicialwatch.org

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Best Regards in Research

+++Don

Donald Roberdeau

United States Navy

U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker

Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly

For your key considerations and independent determinations....

Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html

The Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif

(new info, 2012 updated map)

Visual Report: The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden Under the "Magic-limbed-ricochet-tree".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif

Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-in, Garbage-out....http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif

Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS

Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and

Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll"....

http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394

T ogether

E veryone

A chieves

M ore

For the United States:

http://www.dhs.gov

Good Day.... FYI....

http://blogs.dallaso...rist_robert.php

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JFK Conspiracy Theorist Robert Groden goes 81-0

with Latest Win Against City Censors

By Jim Schutze

Mon., Feb. 25 2013 at 10:37 AM

Categories: Get Off My Lawn

Wanted to go ahead and let you know, since apparently nobody else is

going to do the story, that Robert Groden, the Kennedy assassination

author, has won yet another legal victory in his fight against the

city's years-long efforts to muzzle him.

And, sorry, certain commenters here, but that's what it is. This isn't

about tidying up a park. It's a campaign to shut down free speech on

the still sensitive issue of whether John F. Kennedy's murder in

Dallas 50 years ago was the work of multiple conspirators.

Don't believe me? Still think it's Groden who's the out-of-line wack-

job? Groden's virtually unbroken record of judicial exoneration in 81

separate arrests or tickets by the city is now crowned by a recent

decision of County Criminal Court of Appeals Judge Kristin Wade. Wade

said the same thing a parade of judges have said before: It's the city

that's outside the law in this.

Wade was ruling on the most recent arrest, which took place June 13,

2010, in which the city charged Groden with ... he was charged with

the offense of ... but that's part of the problem, isn't it? The city

arrested him in Dealey Plaza where he lectures and sells self-

published magazines. They threw him in jail. But then they couldn't

quite say what he had done wrong.

Wade takes note of the city's vacillation. In her opinion upholding a

trial judge's decision to quash the case against Groden, Wade points

out that the city changed its mind twice about what Groden had done

wrong after they arrested him and put him in jail. And they still

couldn't come up with a crime.

Know why? There was no crime. There was no city law banning Groden

from giving lectures in Dealey Plaza and selling magazines, books and

videos that explain his theories. Since then, in a classic case of

tardy barn-door closing, the city has enacted an ordinance it thinks

would cover Groden's case. Groden's lawyers think the new ordinance,

yet to be tested, reeks of violation of free speech. More on this in

my column in the newspaper next week.

The point is this: Before the 2010 arrest the city of Dallas had 80

instances in which it had been warned by judges that it was harassing

Groden in violation of his rights and the law. And yet they did it

again. This last time they added some rough treatment during the

arrest and a nice long visit to the jailhouse, a clear expression of

that hoary adage of official oppression, "You can beat the rap, but

you can't beat the ride."

Groden has a federal civil rights lawsuit in the works against the

city. That suit has been in legal limbo for two years waiting for this

appeals court shoe to fall. I'm not sure how that works. I will

explain it in the paper next week. But he tells me this new verdict

will open the door for the civil rights case finally to proceed.

Groden is a New York Times list best-selling author and in 1978 was

the forensic photographic consultant to the Select Committee on

Assassinations of the U.S. House of Representatives. The select

committee was formed after Groden obtained a copy of the Zapruder

film, which had been owned and suppressed by LIFE magazine.

When Groden got the film aired on television, a shocked national

audience saw President Kennedy's head clearly slammed in the opposite

direction it would have been pushed by a bullet from the sniper's

perch on the sixth floor of the School Book Depository. The final

report of the committee stated it had found evidence establishing "a

high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy."

It is this version of things that Groden preaches in Dealey Plaza,

often to large crowds of tourists who come from far and wide

specifically to explore the facts around the assassination.

The efforts by the city to silence him often have been aided and

abetted by the Sixth Floor Museum, which has become the official

enforcement arm of the no-conspiracy theory in Dallas. Nothing like a

"museum" that gets people arrested for disagreeing with it, eh?

I do a weekly radio show on KNON at 10 a.m. on Saturdays (yes, I'm

plugging along here), and for the past couple of Saturdays we have

been talking about Groden, two weeks ago with him as my on-air guest.

Last Saturday I confessed my own personal sin here: I have just never

been sufficiently motivated to form a personal theory about the JFK

killing in Dallas 50 years ago. I think I have always been daunted by

the amount of reading I would have to do.

But as we roll up on the 50th anniversary observations next November,

with the city already planning hundreds of thousands of dollars worth

of special security to shut people like Groden out of Dealey Plaza on

the big day, I do have to wonder.

Is there still somebody around who's got something big to hide on

this? Because I can't come up with another explanation. Otherwise,

Groden and all the other Warren Commission skeptics would be the best

tourist attraction Dallas ever had.

Dealey Plaza continues to be our most popular tourist attraction. And

Dallas keeps living up to everyone's stereotype by standing down there

like some big old 1950s copper slapping his billy club against his leg

saying, "Let's move it along now, folks, nothin' to see here, time you

been gettin' on home now."

Why? Does the city actually want to look guilty? Does it not get that

doing stuff like tossing Groden in the slammer over free speech makes

the city look guilty? Amazing, really. So very strange.

More on this at 10 a.m. on KNON 89.3 next Saturday (plug-plug-plug)

and in the paper next week. If nothing else, it's just kind of a weird

town, is it not?

Groden Verdict.... http://www.scribd.co.../Groden-Verdict

DOWNLOAD the judgment.... http://www.google.co...WADJs-5N-j16aWw

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Best Regards in Research

+++Don

Donald Roberdeau

United States Navy

U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker

Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly

For your key considerations and independent determinations....

Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html

The Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.images...updated1111.gif

(new info, 2012 updated map)

Visual Report: The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden Under the "Magic-limbed-ricochet-tree".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif

Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-in, Garbage-out....http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif

Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS

Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and

Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll"....

http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394

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Good Day.... With all due respect to Our researcher Doug Weldon (may his soul always R.I.P.), there was no bullet hole in the presidential limousine's front windshield.

The following scaled diagram (thank you + hat tip to Jerry Organ) of the limo details for you my determined facing directions of President Kennedy and Governor Connally in the Zapruder film frame #206 instant. (Connally's posture and facing direction does not change while he is behind the "Stemmons" sign for only the 1-second) ....If you have developed a different head location and/or head facing direction for either man for Z-206 or any Zapruder frame, and/or or a different windshield defect location, as related to when your theory has JFK's neck-front wound being caused, please also provide your diagram for everyone.

As simply and clearly seen when utilizing an accurate diagram of the limousine, and, accurately locating the windshield's inside-surface-only-damage (the location for that damage is documented in the Ike Altgens photo #6, some Parkland Hospital photos, and also clearly located in the FBI's 11-23-63 early-morning White House garage photos), along with correctly sizing and placing their heads locations and their facing directions for President Kennedy and Connally at Z-206, any type of a bullet theoretically (or, personal-antiquated-theory "wishfully") fired from JFK's front-left that, first, passed-through the windshield, then (and while still hot), emerged after the windshield in 'magically'-un-mutilated condition to, then, cause what Dr. Perry detailed to Dr. Humes as a very small, "3 to 5mm" (recorded by Humes), circular wound....

---->>>> that pet-theory of a theoretically un-mutilated bullet "thought" of by a few researchers, would have had to, first, absolutely, been mandated to hit Connally in either his head or neck, before hitting JFK.

---->>>> and Connally, of course, was never struck in his head or neck with a bullet.... Additionally, when I interviewed Bill and Gayle Newman (the 2 closest, standing, adult witnesses to when JFK's head first exploded), both detailed for me that they clearly saw that before Connally had ever reached his closest point to them (approximately Z-296), enough time had already occurred after Connally's wounding that blood had already, noticeably, pooled onto his shirt's chest front, and, they could clearly see his already-pooled blood.

Additionally, fairly recent captured photos of the saved, still-crated limo windshield clearly show us that the cracks that radiated away from the inside-surface-only damage in the windshield, all, match-up with photos captured within about 12 hours of the Dealey Plaza volleys of shots.

As Pamela and others have also very logically stated, numerous, inevitable, vibrations that went into the windshield caused from jostling during the moving-driving-flying of the limo and/or the windshield (most likely incurring jostling-around vibrations that were between slight to very heavy in force), temperature swings, barometric pressure swings, and, at some time(s) someone(s) may have also lowered the windshield's storage crate much to hard onto a floor and/or actually dropped the windshield's crate, and, etc.... These possibilities/probabilities have all individually and/or combined during 50 years to cause the matching radiated cracks to change slightly, but, those cracks, still, do match-together very well. (one of the better reports provided for us, "Eternal Return: A Hole Through the Windshield?," that details the windshield's defect is provided by researchers Barb Junkkarinen, Jerry Logan, and Josiah Thompson. This report also focuses details for comparing clear 1963 photos, to the recent clear photos of the defect and its radiated cracks)

.... Exploring details further for key considerations.... At that Z-206 instant for the above limo diagram, we can see in the Zapruder film and additional (known) documented photos that President Kennedy is snapping/has rapidly snapped his head a measurable 87 to 90-degrees within the previous, scant, 0.16 micro-second from Z-203 to 206.

This was a JFK head snap rotational speed rate that we can measure precisely at an ultrafast 531 to 549-degrees-per-second. ....You can, very simply, personally snap (while filming) your head 90-degrees in one-sixth of a second to obtain a dose-of-reality sense for yourself for the sheer speed of JFK's extremely rapid head snap (that some animated-CAD-fabricator's also decided to choose to ((deliberately?!!)), inaccurately, not even re-create to show us in their C.A.D.-fabrication's).

I am still positively convinced by the convergence of many, many very key factors (some of them detailed OTTOMH in the following) that President Kennedy was first bullet-impacted during the micro-second prior to Z-203.

The ultrafast, 531 to 549 degrees-per-second head snap rate that JFK exhibited, combined with our knowledge from the documented many, key, close witnesses and the documented many, key, close weapons-experienced witnesses cumulative statements that have detailed for us that President Kennedy had started to smile broader (also confirmed as seen in the Z-film by approximately Z-165 to 167)....

.... and then....

.... JFK, first, started his Z-171-beginning right hand wave (witnessed and stated by many persons)....

.... and it was distinctly, definitely after that same JFK hand wave had already began that....

.... then....

.... there was fired a "shot" (albeit, an audible muzzle blast or a mechanically-suppressed-fired "silenced" bullet bow shock N-wave that these many documented witnesses remembered hearing (or could hear)).

Hugh Betzner stated, unequivocally, that he snapped his third photo and then he started to wind his film inside his camera, and it was after his photo and after he had initially began to wind his camera film that a "shot" was fired that he remembered hearing (or could hear).... Mr. Betzner's pre-gunfire-snapped photo corresponds exactly with Z-186.

As documented in the Z-film, the close witness Rosemary Willis begins slowing her trot in the early Z-190's.... Rosemary has stated, unequivocally, that she started to slow her trot in response to and just after the first "shot" that she remembered hearing (or could hear)

Following JFK at a close approximate 20' to 25' the weapons-experienced Secret Service Agent George Hickey stated, unequivocally, that he had, first, been looking leftward immediately prior to his hearing (or, being able to hear) his first-heard/first-remembered "shot"....

.... then....

.... when Hickey remembered hearing (or could hear) the first "shot" (or, the first shot he could hear), Hickey stated that he, then, immediately turned his head frontward very rapidly, towards the President..... As clearly seen in and documented by the Z-film, and exactly as he also stated, Hickey rapidly turns his head frontward starting at Z-195 to 196 (when we allow 0.25-second, minimum, (four to five Z-frames) for Hickey's refractory neurological-interpret-then-physical-response starting time, it clearly determines for us, to a certainty, that the first audible blast or bullet bow shockwave that Hickey heard (or could hear) happened, at the latest, at Z-190 to 191.... With allowing a mandated one to two Z-frames for bullet flight time, depending on the firing origin location, that "shot" blast or shockwave that Hickey heard was triggered, at the latest, at precisely Z-188 to 190)

Weapons-experienced WWII military veteran Phillip Willis unequivocally stated that his already-raised-camera-to-his-face-captured fifth photo was snapped directly because the first "shot" that he remembered hearing (or could hear) that was fired immediately prior to his fifth photo had startled him so much, that, it caused him to then involuntarily press his camera shutter button earlier than he wanted.... Mr. WILLIS's post-gunfire , involuntarily-snapped photo corresponds to Z-202....

.... Extremely interestingly is that, also, at Z-150 to 151, the approximate time of the current-revision of the warrenatti-apologists first audible, supposed, "lone-nut" shot (when factoring JFK's quick response, rapid head turn 0.25-second later starting at Z-155 in response to that bullet completely missing him) the warrenatti claims that Z-150 to 151 shot was fired directly into the branches and leaves foliage in the Posnerian-"lone-nut"-theory "'magic'-limbed-ricochet-tree" (tree branches and foliage that any assassin, during his plaza pre-screening viewing, most likely would have surely been well aware of).... Additionally, at Z-150, President Kennedy (moving at 12 MPH) was still at an Elm Street pinpointed location (and at that same instant a, supposed, "lone-nut" rifle-aiming point) that was over 15' before JFK first passed under the branches of that same tree at Z-166 = over 15' and almost 1-second before JFK went out of the warrenatti-apologists, supposed, "lone-nut" targeting view....

.... and....

.... Very importantly, that same Z-150 instant when a shot was supposedly fired that JFK rapidly turned his head in response to at Z-155 was also a measurable, non-startlement, nearly 3 seconds before Phil Willis's shot-startle-caused involuntary-snapped photo.... and.... at Z-150, Mr. Willis, very clearly, has positioned his hands ---and his camera--- still lowered and far downward, well away from his face....

.... when we allow 0.25-second, minimum, for Willis's refractory neurological-interpret-then-physical-response starting time, it clearly determines for us, to a certainty, that Mr. Willis remembered hearing (or could hear) his first "shot" blast or shockwave, at the latest, at Z-197.... With allowing the additional, mandated, one to two Z-frames for bullet flight time, depending on the assassin's firing origin location, that "shot" blast or shockwave that caused Mr. Willis's photo was triggered at the latest at Z-195 to 196....

Additionally, a very substantial and significant, measurable % of the very key, close witnesses and close weapons-experienced witnesses that could see JFK and his quick reactions during the volley's of shots also stated that JFK did react to this first-heard "shot" blast or shockwave with his dramatically, suddenly quick reactions that clearly proved that he was obviously simultaneously impacted with that same first-heard "shot."

To the warrenatti-apologists obvious living-in-denial chagrin's (exactly like the still-unknown badge-flashing "agent" that DPD Joe Smith encountered on the grassy knoll when Smith also smelled gun smoke), and, to the warrenatti-apologists transparent-anxieties.... Extremely important are the facts that President Kennedy's initial Z-190's-starting, first reactions to his being bullet impacted with that first-heard "shot" blast or shockwave, happened when (as measured by the warrenatti-investigators, themselves) while JFK was still hidden from Z-166 to Z-208 under the branches and thicket of foliage leaves of the Posnerian-"lone-nut"-theory "'magic'-limbed-ricochet-tree" that hid JFK out of the view and targeting of the rifle-armed, multiple-persons-witnessed, additional assassin that was located in the warrenatti-apologists, supposed, "lone-nut" "snipers lair," and, that additional assassin was witnessed firing, at least, one downward-aimed shot during the attack volley's of shots.

Best Regards in Research

+++Don

Donald Roberdeau

United States Navy

U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker

Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly

For your key considerations and independent determinations....

Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html

The Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif

(new info, 2012 updated map)

Visual Report: The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden Under the "Magic-limbed-ricochet-tree".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif

Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-in, Garbage-out....http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif

Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS

Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and

Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll"....

http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394

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