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Good Day Jerry.... Thank You for providing this article.
Best Regards in Research
++++Don
Donald Roberdeau
United States Navy
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your key considerations....
Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations....http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
The Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif
(new info, 2012 updated map)
Visual Report: "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden Under the'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out....http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif
Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS
Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and
Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll"....
http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394
T ogether
E veryone
A chieves
M ore
For the United States:
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Good Day.... Included in a recent "Texas Monthly" articleis a very interesting recent time-lapsed photo that was captured from very close to the southwest corner of the Dal-Tex Building roof line, where I first stood in 1988....
(PHOTO)
http://www.texasmonthly.com/cms/dispImage.php?id=3882
Photograph by Darren Braun
....Think of yourself also located at that Dal-Tex west face roof line
corner, then, you simply walk approximately 35' to 40' northward,
(towards your right in that photo).... During a well thought about,
well-planned MILitary OPeration (aka, a "MILOP"), with the 2 primary
established goals being 1) kill JFK, and 2) frame a "lone-nut", the
operational planners would place a very high, solid value for duplicating
as close as possible the nearly exact same vertical, horizontal, and
lateral bullet trajectory(ies) as a trajectory(ies) triggered from a "lone-
nut" "snipers lair" to, 1) fool witnesses with a shot(s) source from
above, behind, and to JFK's right, and, 2) fool the (predictable, military
controlled) forensic autopsy that they also knew must follow the attack.
Additional visual considerations for duplicating a shot fired from behind JFK, above him, and to his right....
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8651/dtroofcopiestsbd.gif
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8351/daltexduplicatestsbd100.gif
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2664/19631123daltexmackwhite.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6969/bronson5recreationdalte.gif
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2640/daltexcopiesanglessl.jpg
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4296/daltexroofduplicatesang.jpg
Best Regards in Research,
++Don
Donald Roberdeau
United States Navy
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your key considerations....
Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations....http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
The Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif
(2012 updated map)
Visual Report: "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden Under the'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out....http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif
Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS
Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and
Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll"....
http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394
T ogether
E veryone
A chieves
M ore
For the United States:
-
Good Day.... FYI, a recent "Texas Monthly" article
.... Included is a very interesting recent time-lapsed photo that was
captured from very close to the southwest corner of the Dal-Tex
Building roof line, where I first stood in 1988....
....Think of yourself also located at that Dal-Tex west face roof line
corner, then, you simply walk approximately 35' to 40' northward,
(towards your right in that photo).... During a well thought about,
well-planned MILitary OPeration (aka, a "MILOP"), with the 2 primary
established goals being 1) kill JFK, and 2) frame a "lone-nut", the
operational planners would place a very high, solid value for duplicating
as close as possible the nearly exact same vertical, horizontal, and
lateral bullet trajectory(ies) as a trajectory(ies) triggered from a "lone-
nut" "snipers lair" to, 1) fool witnesses with a shot(s) source from
above, behind, and to JFK's right, and, 2) fool the (predictable, military
controlled) forensic autopsy that they also knew must follow the attack.
http://www.texasmont...01/feature4.php
(QUOTE)
11/22/2013
In one year the entire world will turn its attention to Dallas to mark the
fiftieth anniversary of the murder of John F. Kennedy. The mayor hopes
to show off a city that has evolved into a sophisticated global destination.
But when it comes to the assassination, nothing is as simple as it seems
—and that is why Dallas is so worried.
by Mimi Swartz
DECEMBER 2012
(PHOTO)
http://www.texasmonthly.com/cms/dispImage.php?id=3882
Photograph by Darren Braun
Unlike so many people who have become part of the Dallas narrative,
Robert J. Groden doesn’t radiate the aura of a winner. He is a paunchy
67-year-old nebbish who drives a PT Cruiser and loves dining at Red
Lobster. He is tall, but he slouches. His color isn’t good, probably
because, by his account, he suffers from three kinds of heart disease.
His shaggy hair, doleful eyes, and chronic wince give him the mien of a
man locked in a perpetual if not entirely painful state of mourning, which
actually happens to be the case. Groden has devoted most of his adult
life to exposing what he believes to be a diabolical conspiracy to kill John
F. Kennedy. In better times, he wrote best-selling books on the subject,
assisted the House Select Committee on Assassinations, and pitched in
as a consultant for Oliver Stone’s JFK. But these days Groden can most
often be found selling his books, magazines, and DVDs from a battered
folding table on Dallas’s infamous grassy knoll, in the shadow of what was
once known as the Texas School Book Depository, where, depending on
your level of paranoia, Lee Harvey Oswald did or did not fire the shots
that killed the thirty-fifth president of the United States. “I would bet
money LBJ was up to his ears in it,” Groden told me after suggesting that
the assassination was instigated by some combination of organized crime
and the CIA. I half expected the crisply attired waiter hovering over us
at a fancy Design District restaurant—my choice—to ask us to leave.
In other words, in another city, in another time, Groden would be hard to
picture as a threat to anyone. But since moving to Dallas from the East
Coast, in 1995, he has been ticketed 81 times for minor offenses
—“harassed,” in his words—and in June 2010 he was arrested and spent
nine lonely hours in the Lew Sterrett Justice Center until a friend posted
bail. “All for selling a single magazine,” Groden told me in the dulcet tones
of his native Manhattan. Granted, JFK: The Case for Conspiracy displays
gory autopsy photos of Kennedy’s head, but there’s no law against that.
Pushed just a little too far by that nine-hour detention, Groden filed suit
against the city in federal court. “I believe in conspiracies, and I think
this was an obvious one,” Groden said of the continuing litigation, which
he sees as an attempt to silence him just as a critical date in the life of
his adopted hometown peeks over the horizon. “I don’t know why they
are so afraid of me,” Groden added. Besides the fact that he embodies
everything Dallas doesn’t want to think about ever again, I couldn’t come
up with a thing.
November 22, 2013, will mark the fiftieth anniversary of the assassination
of JFK. For five decades, this most self-conscious of Texas cities has
attempted to work its way out of the shame it suffered internally and
externally because of this catastrophic event, and thanks largely to the
passage of time, it’s finally approaching what therapists like to call
“closure.” But as Mayor Mike Rawlings told the Dallas Morning News last
March, this particular occasion “is very important—unbelievably
important—as to our place on the world stage.” It is an article of faith
around city hall and among certain North Dallas power brokers that the
eyes of the world will be turned on Dallas that day—that this could, in
fact, be the biggest moment in Dallas history since, well, the
assassination itself. The arrival of Anderson Cooper, Bill O’Reilly, the New
York Times, the Washington Post, the BBC, Telemundo, Al Jazeera, and
God knows who else is anticipated, and given the voraciousness of the
24/7 news cycle, they could actually appear.
Hence, official Dallas has reverted to type, sprucing up, anticipating
problems, and forming committees with super-secret plans—that is,
exercising complete control—in its attempt to honor the late president
while showing the world how much it has changed since the dark days,
when a preponderance of right-wing lunatics earned it a reputation as
the City of Hate.
Community leaders know there is a right way and a wrong way to host a
global event (oh, the sorry Super Bowl of 2011). The right way would
include introducing visitors—especially members of the international press
corps—to Dallas’s impeccable taste and blossoming diversity. Let guests
gaze upon the glorious Arts District, with its gleaming Winspear Opera
House and Nasher Sculpture Center. Let them take in the Margaret Hunt
Hill Bridge or sample a dinner prepared by Stephan Pyles or Dean Fearing.
Let them see how private funds have helped tidy up the once sorely
neglected Dealey Plaza and Texas Theatre, where Oswald was
apprehended.
Robert Groden and his ilk, however, represent the wrong way. History
has shown what can happen when things spin out of control where this
particular date is concerned. On the twentieth anniversary of the
assassination, for instance, a local provocateur named Joe Christ drove a
convertible through Dealey Plaza with Jackie and Jack mannequins in the
backseat. At a designated moment, the presidential dummy’s head
popped off, and fake blood spurted into the air. Then, just last year,
county commissioners considered and then—when the county judge
returned from vacation—nixed a plan to allow a British company to build a
174-foot Ferris wheel near the John F. Kennedy Memorial Plaza. And in
September a visiting troupe from Chicago’s Second City comedy group
performed a skit in which Dallas community leaders debated the sale of
JFK bobblehead dolls on the fiftieth anniversary. Needless to say, they
did not receive a standing ovation.
Clearly, no one in the Dallas power loop wants to see a poorly dressed
mob occupying Dealey Plaza, chanting about conspiracies and cover-ups
—at least not while Wolf Blitzer is broadcasting worldwide. It’s a serious
game with uneven stakes. With exactly one year left to prepare for the
event, the city knows that if everything goes right—if nothing happens
but a tasteful ceremony honoring the slain president—the world will move
on in a nanosecond. But if anything goes wrong—anything at all—Dallas,
after fifty years of ignominy, will find itself right back where it started: at
best, mortified; at worst, vilified.
The Crescent Club, which crowns the office building at the Crescent,
perilously treads the border between good taste and self-parody.
Designed by Philip Johnson in the heyday of postmodernism, the
office-hotel-shopping complex is a witty pastiche of eighteenth-century
British architecture combined with the mansard roofs of the Second
French Empire and grillwork cribbed from Ashton Villa, a Victorian mansion
in Galveston. The penthouse of dining areas and cozy meeting rooms is
one of those richly paneled places modeled after private gentlemen’s
clubs, before that term became synonymous with strip joints. Until a
tuxedo-jacketed manservant adjusted the lighting on the crystal
chandelier from “night” to “day” in my assigned meeting room, I thought I
was going to have to ask for a torch.
It is an odd place to talk about inclusion and change, but there I was,
sitting around a table with Mayor Rawlings and Ruth Collins Sharp
Altshuler, the chairwoman of what had been recently christened “The
50th: Honoring the Memory of President John F. Kennedy.” They made a
good pair. Rawlings, a Democrat, is burly and silver-haired but, even in
fine tailoring, an unmistakable guy’s guy. He was in elementary school in
Kansas when JFK was shot. Altshuler has a light in her eyes that shows
she’s lost none of the zest that has seen her through her 88 years. She
was at the Dallas World Trade Center on November 22, 1963, waiting for
the president at the luncheon he never attended. Rail thin but hardly
frail, it isn’t hard to see how Altshuler could have run around in the same
circles as Sophia Loren and Gene Kelly. Nowadays she hobnobs with
George and Laura Bush and Margot Perot.
Altshuler is a Dallas powerhouse, one of those gracious, old-line Texas
women who refuse to admit they have any clout while exercising it
masterfully. On this day, she let the mayor do most of the talking,
listening attentively while sipping coffee from a china cup.
“We felt we needed to get way out in front of this, and we felt we had
to do it in the right way,” Rawlings said intently. He got his first inquiry
about the city’s plans for the fiftieth anniversary on the forty-eighth
anniversary, from a Los Angeles Times reporter. Even though this
benchmark had not been on his radar, he was no stranger to the
importance of appearances: before Rawlings was elected, in 2011, he
had been a successful advertising and marketing executive and the head
of Pizza Hut. For Dallas, the anniversary is “the most important day from
an image standpoint,” he told me, adding, “We do not want to look like
we are sweeping this under the rug.”
Conover Hunt, a historian and consultant who was one of the creators of
the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza, which is located in the old
school book depository, often talks about the moment when “memory
becomes history,” when the horrific pain of catastrophe fades. Rawlings
decided early on that focusing on the trauma of the assassination would
not be good for anyone—not the Kennedy family, not the country, and
certainly not Dallas. “This is not about the Warren Commission,” the
mayor said of the commemoration, “this is about honoring the man.” The
planning for the 2013 event, in fact, can seem like the apotheosis of the
city’s post-1963 mind-set—the hyper-concern with taste and tone, the
need for hyper-vigilance, because others will be not just watching but
judging. To make sure the event planning does not become subject to
citywide debate or criticism, for instance, Rawlings has labored to control
the message: he and Altshuler have been named the official spokespeople
and have directed committee members to send all press inquiries their
way. Rawlings drafted Altshuler because he wanted “a chair who the
whole city recognized and who has taste.” She, in turn, started trawling
for donations, because private money is so much more acceptable and
admirable for such things than public money. “Only one person didn’t get
it,” Altshuler said, with a satisfied grin. “He was tired of the mea culpa,
but he said, ‘I’ll give you the money anyway because you called.’ ”
Earlier this spring, Altshuler helped put together a committee of
illustrious, politically correct, and pretty much beyond-reproach Dallasites
—philanthropists like Deedie Rose and Caren Prothro; business leaders like
Erle Nye and Bobby Lyle—and then basically did what she wanted when it
came to planning the program. On the day we spoke, she had embargoed
the details of the event but revealed that she had asked a friend who is
a prominent historian to read a few of Kennedy’s speeches. Using
another contact, she persuaded an esteemed choral group to perform.
Rawlings will be the only elected official to give a speech—eliminating any
potential grandstanding by, say, a certain Texas governor—and the
whole event will last no longer than forty minutes, including a moment of
silence at twelve-thirty, the time when the shots were fired.
Everyone in Dallas will be invited to come to Dealey Plaza—even the likes
of Robert Groden—but you’ll have to have a ticket to enter. “You’ve got
to take the attitude that we should embrace free speech in Dallas,”
Rawlings assured me. The city center will be cordoned off, Jumbotrons
will simulcast the program in other downtown venues, and security will be
tight, tight, tight. There are plans to pull in the rest of the world with
some kind of global bell-tolling ceremony. The committee also hopes to
mark the end of the occasion with a military flyover. “We wanted it to be
a serious, respectful event, something a bit profound, and we wanted it
to be simple,” Rawlings told me.
Transcribing my interview notes later, I wondered whether the mayor’s
use of the past tense showed that he had already jumped from planning
to execution or that his desire for simplicity had already faded from
memory into history.
A quick refresher for those born after November 22, 1963: back at that
time, John Fitzgerald Kennedy was the dashing young president who was
going to lead America out of the fuddy-duddyness of the Eisenhower era.
Space flight, civil rights, a torch passed to a new generation, style—very
promise that would have energized post–World War II America was
personified by his presidency, and every hope was dashed on that day in
Dallas. This was an America that predated cynicism and irony, before we
knew about JFK’s dalliances with Marilyn Monroe and his supposed links
with the mob. That Oswald, the man believed to have killed Kennedy,
was shot on November 24 by a Dallas nightclub owner named Jack Ruby
—live, on network television—was simply incomprehensible; this was before
the nation had become inured to serial violence and reality TV. “With the
murder of Oswald, the Pandora’s box was opened,” said Conover Hunt.
Anyone looking for a scapegoat could find a perfect one in the city of
Dallas. Sure, it had Stanley Marcus selling couture to Princess Grace, but
it also had right-wing crazies like H. L. Hunt and General Edwin A.
Walker. In 1960 LBJ and Lady Bird were set upon by angry mobs who
accused them of being socialists; three years later Adlai Stevenson was
hit over the head with a sign by an anticommunist protester. Marcus
himself is said to have warned Kennedy not to make his November 1963
campaign swing through the city. As Lawrence Wright, who wrote about
the assassination in his coming-of-age memoir, In the New World, noted,
“At the heart of the Dallas-killed-Kennedy argument is a similar
presumption about Oswald: the community hated Kennedy so much that
Oswald felt licensed to act out our fantasy.”
No matter what you think about who killed Kennedy, the fact that Dallas
was blamed for his murder is indisputable. Residents experienced the
trauma up close and personal: “It was like a horror story unfolding in your
own backyard,” said Dallas native Lindalyn Adams, who worked with
Conover Hunt to establish the Sixth Floor Museum. For a time, the entire
city seemed to be suffering from PTSD. Psychologist James Pennebaker,
now head of the psychology department at the University of Texas at
Austin but then a professor at Southern Methodist University, completed
a study in 1988 that showed a dramatic spike in heart disease, murder,
and suicide in Dallas in the years following the assassination. (Suicide in
Dallas increased nearly 20 percent in 1964; the increase nationally was 4
percent.) It was impossible to escape the blame: Dallasites who admitted
their origins when traveling out of town were ejected from cabs and
restaurants. “Bang, bang, bang,” a non-English speaker once said to
Wright when he found out where he lived.
Dallas put itself on the path to recovery by being, well, Dallas.
Interestingly, the city never suffered financially from the assassination,
so there was plenty of money to distract an all-too-willing populace with
new buildings and new ideas. Erik Jonsson, who was elected mayor in
1964, formed a committee that in turn created “Goals for Dallas” to give
the city a road map with which to begin again. The Cowboys, who
started playing in 1960, began a nineteen-year winning streak in 1966;
the handsome all-American quarterback Roger Staubach was the person
most Dallasites wanted their sons to grow up to be like. In 1978 the TV
show Dallas made the city’s inhabitants look less like conspirators and
more like shrewd, glamorous tycoons you wouldn’t want to meet across a
boardroom table. When it came to the JFK assassination, then, the best
way to deal with it seemed to be to put your head down, think and act
positively, and ignore the subject. Many people just stopped talking
about it, even with their kids. Or they looked on the bright side, which
was the Dallas way. Wright told the Chicago Tribune that the
assassination was “a critical corrective for a political culture that was
out of control. It ennobled the city and gave it a conscience and made it
a more tolerant place to live.”
That kind of thinking worked 364 days out of the year. But it always
seemed that on November 22, somebody picked at the scab. “Someone
was either firing shots in Dealey Plaza (for an official investigation) or
asking to do so or giving a press conference about a new book,” Hunt
recalled. Dealey Plaza was left in a state of what Hunt called “passive
preservation,” meaning that it wasn’t plowed under, but it wasn’t fixed
up either. The 1970 Kennedy Memorial, a gleaming cenotaph of white
concrete designed by Philip Johnson and approved by Jacqueline Kennedy
Onassis, faded to a dingy gray.
But the clearest evidence of Dallas’s ambivalence was the planned
demolition of the book depository, in 1972. Over the years there were
those, like cosmetics mogul Mary Kay Ash, who insisted that the
wrecking ball couldn’t come soon enough. “It was a scar,” said Jim
Schutze, a longtime writer for the Dallas Observer, “and what do we do
with a scar in Dallas?” But others, like Mayor Wes Wise, understood that
it was time to begin to make peace with the past by restoring the
Building and creating some kind of museum that would put the event in
context, locally and nationally. “The thing that propelled me was knowing
this had to be done for this city,” said Adams. “Because if (the book
depository) had been torn down, there always would have been a
question about what we were trying to hide.” It took eleven tortuous
years—battling Tom Landry, courting Ross Perot, enduring the
indifference of Washington, D.C.—to get the Sixth Floor Museum up and
running; when you hear the founders talk, they sound like Marines
struggling to raise the flag at Iwo Jima.
By the late eighties and early nineties, the typical story line seemed to
be that Dallas was learning to let go, and outsiders had forgiven and
forgotten—or they never even knew. “Twenty-four Years Later, City
Plans to Face Kennedy Slaying” was a Chicago Tribune headline in 1987;
the following year a story ran in the Tribune titled “Dallas Starts to
Confront the Memory.” Hunt told the paper that the completion of the
Sixth Floor was “a concrete manifestation of the community coming to
terms with this event.” On the thirtieth anniversary, Kane Patrick
Kennedy (a man who claimed to be a distant relative of JFK’s) attended a
gathering that drew three thousand people. On the fortieth anniversary,
five thousand people—yes, many of them conspiracy theorists—
assembled for a quiet vigil in Dealey Plaza. The Dallas symphony
performed that night. “Dallas Comes to Terms With the Day That Defined
It,” declared the New York Times. JFK’s death had finally made that
memory-into-history transition, taking its place alongside the
assassinations of Abraham Lincoln and Archduke Franz Ferdinand.
Like so many other controversies, it’s hard to pinpoint the beginning of
this one. Some people think the trouble started in March 2010, when
Erykah Badu—born in Dallas in 1971—stripped naked in Dealey Plaza and
collapsed where Kennedy was shot. She wasn’t having a breakdown; she
was filming a music video. (“Badu said she picked Dealey Plaza since it
was one of the most popular places in her hometown of Dallas,” WFAA
television reported.) By contrast, Groden thinks that a local makeover for
the 2011 Super Bowl—the first to be played in the Metroplex—was to
blame. But for whatever reason, the police announced a crackdown that
summer on vendors in Dealey Plaza.
So, on a bright sunny day in June 2010, a woman walked up to Groden’s
card table on the grassy knoll and asked to buy JFK: The Case for
Conspiracy. Groden took her $10, autographed a copy, and handed it to
her. The next thing he knew, a somewhat portly Dallas police officer
stepped out from behind one of the columns supporting the Depression-
era pergola and arrested him. His crime? Selling printed material in Dealey
Plaza without a permit, something he had been doing since 1995. Groden
was subsequently handcuffed and escorted to the county jail, where he
was stripped to his skivvies and searched, then forced to share a cell
with people who had, most likely, been arrested for far more serious
crimes. Police confiscated Groden’s collection of assassination materials
and deprived him of his medications. As if that weren’t discomfiting
enough, after he had gotten out on bail and hired a lawyer, Groden made
an unfortunate discovery—for Dallas. “As it turns out, what they charged
me with was not even really an arrestable offense,” he said.
In fact, Groden was charged twice. First, he was accused of selling
merchandise on public property. The problem was, as Groden learned, the
ordinance made specific allowances for the sale of publications. The city
then charged Groden for violating a different ordinance, one that required
him to get a permit to sell printed matter in Dealey Plaza. But it turned
out the park department didn’t sell such permits, and, probably worse,
the city was supposed to have signs in Dealey Plaza posting its rules but
didn’t. Or, as one of Groden’s pleadings would later state, “Thus, none of
said ordinances apply to Plaintiff’s First Amendment activities in Dealey
Plaza.” A municipal court judge agreed. By the time the city appealed,
Groden had already filed suit in federal court.
It was not surprising that Groden then developed a new conspiracy
theory. It centered on the desire of the Sixth Floor Museum to put him
out of business because he was the most legitimate person on the plaza
pushing an alternative theory of JFK’s death. “The other salespeople
don’t matter,” Groden explained. “They don’t have any credibility.”
Indeed, the Sixth Floor staff does seem dedicated to the idea that
Oswald killed Kennedy from his perch in what is now the prime corner of
the museum, which annually welcomes around 350,000 people. To its
credit, the museum doesn’t pull any punches when it comes to the toxic
atmosphere that pervaded Dallas at the time of the assassination; the
infamous black-bordered ad that “welcomed” Kennedy to the city is
prominently displayed (paid for by a group of right-wing businessmen, it
asked, among other things, why JFK had “scrapped the Monroe Doctrine
in favor of the Spirit of Moscow”). But the exhibits are less focused on
the messier elements of the assassination. Scant attention is given to
alternative theories, and on the day I visited, the bookstore, while big on
nifty copies of Jackie’s jewelry, did not sell a single book that suggested
anything but that JFK’s death was the work of a lone gunman.
According to Groden, the museum’s conspiracy-averse viewpoint can be
explained by an early agreement between the city and the museum that
the latter would follow the Warren Commission’s line, which, conveniently
for Dallas, doesn’t involve any loony theories about Jack Ruby and late
oilmen like Clint Murchison. It could also be that the Sixth Floor shows
what it shows because it believes Oswald acted alone, a notion
supported by the failure of any government commission to come up with
much evidence indicating a conspiracy after nearly fifty years of trying.
But for whatever reason, Groden’s arrest and subsequent lawsuit have
presented what political consultants like to call “bad optics,” particularly
after Groden’s lawyer discovered a few emails in which the Sixth Floor
security guards reported the presence of vendors in Dealey Plaza to the
police—i.e., go get ’em!—and another from the CEO of an influential
group of boosters thanking the police “for the continued efforts to rid the
downtown area of criminals.”
While the traditional media largely ignored the fight, Jim Schutze most
decidedly did not. The Observer’s bearded, laconic gadfly—he refers to
Dallas’s power elite as “people who have had too many toddies”—started
pecking away at the city’s hypocrisy, turning a dying argument about
who killed Kennedy into an all-too-lively debate about free speech.
Maybe it was a little disconcerting that Schutze’s blog posts were
accompanied by a photograph of him aiming a large shotgun at the
reader, but you had to give him credit for calling Groden’s arrest “a jack-
boot operation to enforce official dogma on the assassination.” Another
story carried the headline “The Sixth Floor’s Message to History: Just
Hush Now.”
Nicola Longford, a plucky Brit who has run the Sixth Floor for the past
seven years, and Carol Murray, the Sixth Floor’s cheery public relations
representative, looked like deer in the headlights when I asked them
about the Groden controversy. At a meeting in their office next door to
the old book depository, Longford noted that Dallas still needed to “work
through” the trauma of the assassination. “You don’t have to scratch
very deeply to see very oozy wounds,” she told me. She and Murray also
talked a lot about “trying to maintain a balanced point of view” inside the
museum while also trying to maintain a modicum of order outside, on its
doorstep. “We have concerns when visitors complain to us,” Murray
told me.
“There is a level of discord and a complete irrationality on certain
topics,” chorused Longford, who clearly had found herself in the center
of more than a few discordant, irrational debates.
When I called back to follow-up on Groden, she told me that she couldn’t
say anything because of the litigation. “We don’t like to be dragged into
a situation that has turned rather nasty,” she explained. “We’re just
trying to stay out of it.”
That will probably be impossible because of another controversy that
cropped up last fall. Since 1964 a group of conspiracy theorists, led more
recently by an organization called the Coalition on Political Assassination,
have met on the grassy knoll for a moment of silence on the anniversary
of JFK’s death—that is, at twelve-thirty on November 22. As crowds
grew over the years—particularly after the release of Oliver Stone’s
movie—COPA applied for and routinely received nonexclusive permits from
the City of Dallas for their confabs. Then, a few years ago, someone had
the smart idea to apply in advance for space on Dealey Plaza in 2013.
John Judge, the executive director of COPA, told me that he was first
informed by a park department representative that permits were not
given out years in advance. Then, in the fall of 2011, Judge learned that
the Sixth Floor had somehow managed to get, for the first time in Dallas’s
history, an exclusive permit for the plaza from November 18 to 24. Judge
and his group were victims of a preemptive strike by the city.
The explanation for the exclusivity, according to a story that ran in the
Morning News, was that no one responsible for the now officially
sanctioned commemoration-to-be wanted anything like the “carnival
atmosphere” that had prevailed in the past. More discussions followed
that did not turn out well. There was some debate, for instance, over
whether COPA’s moment of silence conflicted with the city’s moment of
silence—because the city now had control of twelve-thirty.
Judge phoned Altshuler and asked whether a representative of COPA
might join her committee. He might as well have asked to join the bigwigs
of the Chinese Central Government. Altshuler said no, and when Judge
asked if a member of his group could address the committee, he was told
to put his request in writing. When he did, she wrote back, mentioned
her advanced age, and said, “I have no authority in these matters.”
Judge also approached the mayor’s office, and he is still waiting for a
response.
Somewhere around that time, Judge cracked that he might have to
occupy the grassy knoll in 2013. Within a few days, he was no longer
kidding, and he posted a letter online saying, “I am calling on the national
network of Occupy groups to join us as well as the thousands of
researchers, authors, critics, and concerned citizens who know the truth
about the Kennedy assassination, or at least suspect that the official
version is wrong, to join us there. If there is not enough democracy left
in America to ask questions in public about the assassinations of JFK,
RFK, MLK, Malcolm X and others on the 50th anniversary of JFK’s murder
. . . then those who killed him have won.”
And that is where it stands now, with a lawsuit from COPA possibly
joining the lawsuit filed by Groden, threatening to put a damper on the
city’s plans for that solemn ceremony followed by a somber flyover.
“We’re sort of exhausting our remedies at this point,” Judge told me in
October. “I would hope it doesn’t have to go to a lawsuit to assert our
First Amendment right.”
His statement put me in mind of all those folks who’d told me they were
optimistic about Dallas’s ability to finally lay the past—and its shame—to
rest. One of the most certain was Pennebaker, who’d examined Dallas’s
psyche in the post-assassination years. “I would predict that the fiftieth
anniversary is the beginning of the official end,” he told me. “There are
not that many people alive who remember this event at all. This
generation will be redefining and ultimately forgetting it.” Pennebaker
suggested that if you visit a place where something tragic happened five
hundred years ago, time will have diluted the pain and the horror just as
Conover Hunt has theorized. “That’s the next phase for Dallas,”
Pennebaker said. “Wow, look at this—history happened here.”
For Dallas, that moment can’t come soon enough.
(END QUOTE)
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++Don
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Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
The Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif
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Internet Article Transcripts Suggestion
.... Good Day All.... A sensible suggestion for each researcher
for when you provide the Internet link for an article that you want to
share for the members of this (and any) forum, newsgroup, etc....
If, along with the link, you take a few moments to also provide for
everyone that article's transcript, it will then be readable within the
forum, and, most importantly, permanently preserved within the forum
for everyone. (some/many Internet articles are deleted by the
publisher, after time) Providing the transcript for our forum also
ensures that researchers doing future searches for names and/or
words that are in the article will successfully obtain future hits for their
search results within our forum.
Just a thought.
(forum moderators may want to consider pinning this suggestion)
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Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your key considerations....
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The Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif
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Visual Report: "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out.... http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif
Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS
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.... Good Day Michael.... Thank You for providing that link.
Here is the link to the exact same article that was published in the
Eunice Today, along with a transcript of the article for preservation
within our forum, and, so that researchers can successfully obtain
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Plot Tip from a Fallen Rose Forever
Links Eunice & JFK Assassination
By Todd C. Elliott
11-22-12
todd.elliott@eunicetoday.com
Eunice is forever linked to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy
on November 22, 1963 in Dallas, Texas -- 49 years ago today.
Many Americans still believe there was a conspiracy to kill JFK – a
conclusion reached by the House Select Committee of Assassination of
the 95th Congress in March 1979, which stated that the President “was
probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy”– and many of those
think that the proof of a conspiracy, and the conspiracy itself, began in
Eunice.
Rose Cherami is the link between Eunice and a possible conspiracy to kill
JFK.
Born Melba Christine Marcades in Houston, Texas, Cherami, as she is
known to JFK assassination researchers, predicted the future on Nov. 20,
1963, in Eunice but no one listened to the known prostitute-drug addict.
She said that there was a conspiracy to kill the President in Dallas two
days before it happened.
While accounts differ as to whether she was leaving a place called
Kilroy’s or a place named The Silver Slipper, Cherami claimed to have
been thrown out of a moving vehicle, or at least hit by a vehicle on US
190, by men who were travelling to Dallas to shoot JFK.
Cherami was taken to the now-defunct Moosa Hospital and she was
admitted on Wednesday, Nov. 20, at 4 p.m. to be treated for her
injuries.
The incident is featured at the beginning of Oliver Stone’s 1991 film, JFK.
Melba Marcades about 1957, six years before she, then known
as Rose Cherami, allegedly told Eunice authorities about a plot to kill
President John F. Kennedy. Photo provided by Dr. Michael Marcades.
Rose Cherami after her arrest in St. Tammany in 1964, several
months after she allegedly tipped authorities to the JFK murder plot. She
died less than a year after this arrest.
Louis Pavur, a Eunice native and retired radiologic technologist,
remembers Cherami and that day well.
“I remember that she said that she was thrown out of an automobile and
they called Dr. J.T. Thompson, and I was in the emergency room,” Pavur
said. “She was wearing blue jeans and white top. She was a short
woman with an average build. This woman claimed she was thrown out of
a car, but I didn’t really see any severe evidence of that. I did not hear
her say, specifically, that Kennedy would be assassinated. The police
took her off to the Eunice City Jail and it wasn’t until a couple of days
later, the day of the assassination, that it had come out that she had
predicted it.”
One of Pavur’s prized belongings is a photo copy of the original
emergency room register with Cherami’s signature in which she listed
Thibodaux, La. as her address.
“I thought it was a significant part of history, it’s a piece of history,”
Pavur said. “I thought it would be an interesting something to look at one
day. I didn’t how deep it was going to go or the extent of the
investigation.”
Pavur said that he knew the time was right to make a copy of the
emergency room register when FBI, or government officials, allegedly
came to Eunice and took medical records from Moosa and arrest records
from the Eunice Police Department.
“That’s when I found out that she had predicted that Kennedy would be
assassinated, when they came to the hospital and did all of this stuff,”
Pavur said. “After that, I said ‘Jesus! I’m going to get a copy of that.’
That happened so many years ago I can’t remember what happened to
the original emergency room register.”
Pavur believes that JFK was assassinated as the result of a conspiracy.
Pavur said that he did not believe that Lee Harvey Oswald, a New
Orleans native, shot Kennedy, mainly because Pavur’s sister worked in a
New Orleans department store with Oswald’s mother and Oswald was
often around the store.
“She said that Oswald was ‘too stupid to get out of the rain’,” Pavur
said. “She said he would just get lost in the department store. That he
just wasn’t smart.”
Pavur said that also present at the Moosa hospital that afternoon of
November 20, 1963 was the late L.G. Carrier, at the time with the Eunice
Police Department.
Pavur said he remembered Carrier arriving shortly after Cherami was
brought in.
Jane Carrier, widow of L.G. Carrier, said that her husband related to her
that he overheard the radio report about Cherami and then went to the
hospital.
She said that he also told her about FBI agents visiting Eunice “within
days” after the Kennedy assassination.
“They came a very short time later and picked up all the records,” said
Mrs. Carrier. “L.G. told me that they came and took her records from
Moosa and from the jail.”
Mrs. Carrier said that her late husband was one of the few locals who
actually heard Cherami speak of a plot to kill Kennedy.
“Nobody bothered investigating, they all thought she was a nut case,”
Carrier said. “At the time they probably didn’t know that she worked with
Jack Ruby. And that’s probably where she overheard something about
the plot to kill Kennedy.”
Ruby, a Dallas night club, killed Oswald as the suspected assassin was
being led from one place to another after his arrest.
Cherami was then transported from Moosa to the old City Jail.
From there, she was committed to the Jackson East Louisiana State
Hospital upon the recommendation of Dr. F.J. DeRouen – who was
assistant coroner of St. Landry Parish.
Allegedly, Dr. DeRouen was called to the Eunice city jail because Cherami
began to act irrationally.
DeRouen, according to research, determined that Cherami was a heroin
addict of about nine years who had had her last intravenous cocktail at
about 2 p.m. that day.
Accounts differ as to whether DeRouen administered a sedative to
Cherami that seemed to have an adverse affect on her as she allegedly
became violent, cutting her ankles and stripping out of her clothes.
Dr. DeRouen said he remembers the Friday that Kennedy was
assassinated as he was in his office on 2nd Street in downtown.
However, he does not remember treating Cherami two days prior. But he
did not deny treating her.
He said that due to a recent stroke, his memory is not what it used to
be.“If you say that I did those things, then I must have done them,” Dr.
DeRouen said two months ago at his Eunice home. “I just have a hard
time remembering that time in my life.”
The late Lt. Francis Fruge, a State Trooper from Basile, was the man
who allegedly brought Cherami in to Moosa after she was injured.
He was, without a doubt, the man who was also tasked with driving her
to the Jackson East Louisiana State Hospital. And he is, perhaps, the
first to hear Cherami’s strange tale of how President Kennedy would be
killed in two days in Dallas by the men with whom she travelled.
Fruge would later testify before the House committee about Rose
Cherami: “...she said that she was going to, number one, pick up some
money, pick up her baby, and to kill Kennedy.”
“She related to me that she was coming from Florida to Dallas with two
men that were Italians or resembled Italians. They had stopped at this
lounge and they’d had a few drinks...and had gotten into an argument or
something. The manager of the lounge threw her out and she got on the
road to hitchhike. And this is when she got hit by a vehicle.” said Fruge
before the HSCA in 1979.
Fruge delivered Cherami to the East Jackson State Hospital in the early
hours of November 21, 1963.
Records indicate that Cherami was in for her second visit to the state
hospital in Jackson. She was committed for being “criminally insane” on
July 13, 1961, according to Louisiana State Police and FBI records.
Ironically, Cherami was taken to the same institution where Lee Harvey
Oswald had applied for employment in the summer of 1963.
The day after she was admitted, Kennedy was murdered in Dealy Plaza in
Dallas.
Shots rang out in Dallas.
A phone rang in the Jackson State Hospital.
Fruge was called to get Cherami back in State Police custody. He
allegedly told the staff not to release her until he arrived. However, he
was told by staff that he could not collect or question Cherami until
Monday.
By Monday, the world would know the names of Lee Harvey Oswald and
Jack Ruby.
Prior publications indicate that Fruge and another State Trooper, Wayne
Morein,(who would later become sheriff of Evangeline Parish) would then
embark on the first, non-publicized investigation into the murder of JFK.
Morein declined to comment on the matter, only confirming that he did
once work with Fruge.
Allegedly, it was then that Cherami told Francis Fruge that she was a
one-time performer in Ruby’s Carousel Club in Dallas, that she knew
Oswald and Ruby, that they knew each other intimately and that she had
direct knowledge of a conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy.
Years later, Fruge was assigned to investigate the JFK assassination with
Jim Garrison – who was the New Orleans District Attorney and the only
person to ever bring a trial in the murder of President Kennedy – as
elements of a plot that seemed to originate from New Orleans began to
come to light.
The conversation was documented on July 18, 1967, when The Eunice
News’ Matt Vernon (Comment Cava) reported perhaps the first news of
“Melba Christine Marcades” (aka Rose Cherami) who was “a one-time
performer in Jack Ruby’s nightclub” in a brief interview with Lt. Francis
Fruge.
According to the article, Cherami “told Francis that Oswald and Ruby
were close friends for years. She was found dead on the side of a Texas
highway September 4, 1965...she would have been an important witness
except that she was, like 23 or more other potential witnesses, dead.
Despite her unsavory reputation and record, everything she told
Francis...checked out.”
Francis Fruge said he thought Cherami could have had direct knowledge
of the assassination plot, according to The Eunice News.
As Fruge believed that Rose Cherami had direct knowledge of the
assassination plot, so does her son.
Dr. Michael Marcades, the Director of Music Ministries of First Methodist
Church in Opelika, Alabama, has a minor role in the strange tale of Rose
Cherami as “her baby”.
He said that he was 10 at time of the JFK assassination.
“My mother may have been a lot of things, but she wasn’t a xxxx,” said
Marcades in a phone interview. “When it came down to life and death, in
her mind I think she knew the difference between right and wrong. Was
she a prostitute? Yes. Was she a drug trafficker? Yes. Did she lose her
entire sense of moral compass? No. I don’t believe that she was lying. I
believe that she told the truth out of frustration. I believe in that
hospital in Louisiana, she was screaming the truth and no one would
listen because of her background. I mean, how different life and history
would have been had someone actually paid attention to the ravings of a
prostitute-drug trafficker.”
Marcades said that he, like many others, believes that she is the first JFK
assassination conspiracy theorist. She believed in a conspiracy while
President Kennedy was still alive.
Cherami, according to FBI files and Louisiana State Police records was
known to have over 35 documented aliases.
<END QUOTE>
Best Regards in Research,
++Don
Donald Roberdeau
United States Navy
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your key considerations....
Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
The Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif
(new info, 2012 updated map)
Visual Report: "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out.... http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif
Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS
Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and
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This is a strategic move on Morley's part, IMO. He knows if he says that Johnson and/or the CIA might have killed Kennedy, that he will never get to see the stuff on Joanniddes he's been fighting for. So he's saying the evidence points to negligence, i.e. an innocent mistake.
Note that he avoids the evidence suggesting there was more than one shooter like the plague.
.... Good Day Pat.... Jeff may (or may not) be choosing to be strategic, intelligent, etc., with respect to what he publicly writes, but I can assure you, having personally, privately sat and discussed events before, during, and after 11-22-63, that he also knows that there were orchestrated conspiracies.
Best Regards in Research,
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United States Navy
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Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your key considerations....
Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
The Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif
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Visual Report: "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out.... http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif
Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS
Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and
Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll"....
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.... Good Day.... Thank You John.
Most researchers that are also well-versed on the macro + micro levels of interpreting the multitude of the (known) evidence, also have realized that there are certainly some then-1991, now-known, discrepancy's in Oliver Stone's interpretations that he chose to and was probably also advised-to present in the film (for example, his incorrect attack scenario of shots time stamping's, along with where the real assassin's were actually located).
That being stated, IMHO, Mr. Stone accomplished a truly fine job of presenting many of the then-1991 known facts. (and public demand's by The People led directly to the very valuable ARRB, with its additional key information !)
....For those less-knowledgeable of the macro/micro of the before, during, and after 11-22-63, when I'm asked, along with several specific fine documentaries presented during the proceeding-towards 50-years, I also, always, recommend watching the 1973 film, "Executive Action," because, even though it is less visually impact-full, (and has its own incorrect disrepency's) many additional key, known, pre-attack facts + important considerations are also clearly detailed during the segments of the meetings of the "Board of Conspirators-Masterminds" and film segments shown between the "BOC-M" contracted employee's.
I will also say that with the lamestream-media bias exhibited in attacking "J F K" during its production, many months before it was ever publicly even seen by anyone (which also had the lamestream-media-backfired effect of increasing much more "buzz" about the film!!), it is also, imho, more than extremely hippo-critical of (and transparently reveals much about) some researchers, who also choose to attack projects that are currently in development.
Best Regards in Research,
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Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your key considerations....
Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
The Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif
(new info, 2012 updated map)
Visual Report: "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out.... http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif
Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS
Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and
Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll"....
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.... Good Day.... Thank You Douglas and Larry. Always good, detailed information that you provide!
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Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your key considerations....
Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
The Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif
(new info, 2012 updated map)
Visual Report: "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out.... http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif
Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS
Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and
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You don't know how many people complained to me about Cohen going on first.
Good Day Jim.... Thank You for providing your valued contributions during your (too short) C2C segment the other morning, that were delivered with your usual, very focused, attention for details, clearly explained.
Caught your every word, learned some new considerations, and was reminded of some (: temporarily
) forgotten things. I totally agree that Cohen should not have led-off.... IMHO, he was verging on being un-listenable-to, even with our managing to, mostly, ignore his overly-hyper-active-delivered wanderings, and, regardless of his totally-impossible-based-on-many-other-prior-11-22-63-evidences "Madame-Nhu-organized-JFK-killing-in-only-20-days" "theory."
Keep up the good work!
Best Regards in Research,
++Don
Donald Roberdeau
United States Navy
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Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your key considerations....
Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
The Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations,
Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important
information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif
(new info, 2012 updated map)
Visual Report: "The FirstBullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK
was Still Hidden Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out.... http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif
Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll".... http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394
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The 11-22-63 Dealey Plaza Detailed Map Updated, + New Address
Good Day.... The Dealey Plaza map that details 11-22-63 evidence,
victims precise kill zone locations, witnesses locations, filmers + photos,
suspects + suspected bullet trajectories, & additional important information +
considerations gathered for you in one convenient resource has been updated
with new evidence + information, and is now always freely available for your key
considerations + independent determinations, here....
(this Dealey Plaza Detailed Map updates my prior maps provided during the recent 21 years)
.... Following the DP map are also provided 5 additional key graphics +
considerations.
.... The easy to follow directions for printing your own free copy of the
map are detailed for you on page 5 within my "Men of Courage"homepages website.
With respect to when you want to freely link to it for your research posts,
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Found: The Only Full-color Footage of Remarkable JFK Assassination Reconstruction
School project leads principal to previously unseen video of assassination re-enactment
Video had been sitting in the Lemons' kitchen cupboard for more than four decades
City of Dallas planning ceremony with the tolling of church bells, a moment of silence and readings from JFK's most famous speeches
45-minute memorial will be free and open to the public
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 20:00 EST, 21 November 2012 | UPDATED: 23:18 EST, 21 November 2012
A school project centered around the assassination of President John F. Kennedy has
unearthed a previously unseen video - a re-enactment of one of America's most historic
moments.
Seventh-grader Alyssa Leverton immersed herself in all things JFK for a school project
about his death and the conspiracy theories that followed.
The report was so well done that it was featured at a state competition, a feather in the
cap of Miss Leverton's principal Mike Merrell, who boasted about the comprehensive
assignment to anyone who would listen.
Reconstruction: The video shows an agent posing as John F. Kennedy, with markings
showing where the president had been shot
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Catalyst: The discovery stemmed from a school project by seventh-grader Alyssa
Leverton, who had immersed herself in all things Kennedy for the report
Scene of the crime: Bobby Lemons' camera was rolling as he captured a federal
investigation of the JFK assassination in Dallas - months after it happened
One of a kind: The Lemons' footage is the only known color video of the reconstruction
Bobby and Jan Lemons were no different, but they had something to add to the
conversation - the only full-color video of a subsequent investigation into Kennedy's
death.
KTAB News reported that the video had been sitting in a kitchen cupboard in the
Lemons' Big Country, Texas, home for decades.
They said that they were a young couple when they visited Dallas in 1964 - months
after Kennedy's death.
As they arrived at the fateful roadway in Dealey Plaza, they found federal officials
conducting a reconstruction of the murder.
Mr Lemons took out his camera and began filming as they witnessed an agent posing as
Kennedy, with markings showing where the president had been shot.
It's the only known color video of the investigation.
Planning: Officials can be seen staging the re-enactment as a man posing as Kennedy
can be seen in the back seat
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They didn't know what they had: The video sat in Jan and Bobby Lemons' kitchen
cupboard for nearly 50 years. They were a young couple when they caught the re-
enactment in 1964
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Hindsight: Activity can be seen at the window from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot
Kennedy in the re-enactment video
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The real thing: President Kennedy smiles in the sun as he rides from the Dallas airport
into the city with his wife and Texas Governor John Connally in a photo taken moments
before he was shot
Until they showed the video to Mr Merrell, the couple believed that what they had was of
little significance. They have since donated the video to the Sixth Floor Museum in
Dallas, which is located in the book depository from which Lee Harvey Oswald fired the
fatal shots on Kennedy.
Earlier this week, the city of Dallas announced that it will mark the 50th anniversary of
the Kennedy assassination next year with a ceremony featuring the tolling of church
bells, a moment of silence and readings by Pulitzer Prize-winning historian David
McCullough from the president's speeches.
'I think what we want to do is focus on the life and legacy and leadership of President
Kennedy,' Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings said on Tuesday.
Mayor Rawlings added: 'The tone is going to be serious, simple, respectful, and it's
going to be about his life.'
The commemoration on November 22, 2013, will take place in Dealey Plaza, where
Kennedy's motorcade through downtown Dallas was passing as shots rang out.
PHOTO
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Fateful Ride: President John F. Kennedy, First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy, and Texas
Governor John Connally ride in a motorcade in Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963
The ceremony will begin at 12:25pm with the tolling of church bells across the city,
followed by a moment of silence at 12:30pm, the time of the shooting.
The Warren Commission that investigated the president's death concluded that Lee
Harvey Oswald fired at Kennedy's motorcade from the sixth floor of the Texas School
Book Depository and acted alone.
Rawlings convened a committee of more than two dozen Dallas civic leaders to decide
how to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the assassination.
He said the committee decided the commemoration should be a tribute to Kennedy's
life.
He added that students throughout the city will be learning about Kennedy and talking
about ways they can fulfill his charge to think about what they can do for their country.
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The Arrival: President Kennedy and Jacqueline Kennedy shake hands with dignitaries at
Love Field airport in Dallas, Texas
The ceremony, expected to last about 45 minutes, also will feature a performance by
the U.S. Naval Academy Men's Glee Club in honor of Kennedy, who was a U.S. Navy
veteran. Religious leaders will offer prayers and a benediction, and there will be a military
flyover.
'This is an important day in a lot of people's lives – this is true for people throughout
the world,'; Rawlings said.
McCullough has written acclaimed biographies of Presidents Harry S. Truman and John
Adams. He's won two Pulitzer Prizes as well as many other awards.
The memorial will be free and open to the public.
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Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll".... http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394
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JFK, Oswald and the Raleigh Connection
by Randolph Benson
The call slip showing Oswald tried to place a collect call to John Hurt of Raleigh
It was 11:30 on a foggy night in Raleigh on Saturday, Nov. 23, 1963. The
previous afternoon, President John F. Kennedy had been shot on the
streets of Dallas. Just a block from the North Carolina State Capitol, at
201 Hillsborough St., Apartment No. 1 was about to be thrust into one of
the most profound mysteries behind the assassination. And it would be a
generation before its meaning would be understood.
That night, nearly 1,200 miles away at the Dallas Municipal Building,
Alveeta A. Treon arrived for her shift at the telephone switchboard.
Treon would relieve her co-worker, Louise Swinney, who had been given
orders by their supervisor to assist two men in listening to a call that
would come through their switchboard. Treon assumed the men were
Secret Service. She suspected that Lee Harvey Oswald, the accused
assassin being held in the downstairs jail, would be making another call.
He had already phoned his Russian wife, Marina, and an ACLU lawyer in
New York. This call, however, was different.
Oswald rang the switchboard at a quarter till 12, Raleigh time. Swinney
took the call and scribbled Oswald's information as the two men listened
in.
"I was dumbfounded at what happened next," Treon later told a former
Senate investigator. "Swinney told [Oswald], 'I'm sorry, the number
doesn't answer.' Swinney then unplugged and disconnected Oswald
without ever really trying to put the call through."
Afterward, Swinney tore the sheet from her note pad and threw it into
the trash. She left, her shift having ended.
Treon retrieved the wadded piece of paper from the trash and copied the
information onto a standard long-distance telephone call slip to save as a
souvenir. The slip reveals that Oswald had given Treon the name "John
Hurt of Raleigh, N.C."
After the release of the Warren Report, the U.S. government's official
version of the assassination, in 1964, a CBS poll found that more than 40
percent of Americans surveyed said there was more to the assassination
than the U.S. government had revealed. In 1976, a Gallup Poll found that
81 percent believed in a conspiracy. A recent CBS survey found that 90
percent of Americans reject the Warren Commission's conclusions.
In the nearly 50 years since President Kennedy's assassination, hundreds
of respected researchers have dedicated decades of their lives in their
search for the truth, not just about the assassination but for what they
describe as America's hidden history: How the "official version" of events
is promoted by the U.S. government and perpetuated by a cooperative,
if not complicit media.
Although many are professional investigators, photo analysts,
pathologists, journalists, historians or lawyers, most approach the
assassination not as a vocation but as an avocation. An engineer
conducted crucial studies of the president's autopsies. A flight attendant
performed respected research into Oswald's ties to military intelligence. A
high school teacher uncovered important information about the Texas
connection. And key facts about JFK's Vietnam withdrawal directive was
revealed by a Southern California real estate agent.
Grover Proctor, a Raleigh native, is among the researchers. A university
dean and statistical analyst, he now lives in Cary and has become widely
recognized as a meticulous and respected researcher. Every major
discussion of the assassination that includes facts about Oswald's call
cites his work. His website was awarded the JFK Site Award in 1997.
(Yes, there are enough websites on the assassination to justify awards.)
In fact, because of Proctor, Oswald's attempt to reach out to John Hurt
has become known as the Raleigh Call.
Nine years after the assassination, Proctor, then a graduate student at
Wayne State University in Michigan, was transfixed as the Watergate
scandal unfolded on television.
"Every evening, several of my friends and I would sit glued to the news,
fascinated by the unfolding constitutional drama," Proctor said. "Late-
night discussions inevitably gravitated to the conspiracy being brought to
light by the televised hearings—and to the wider subject of political
conspiracies in general."
A friend of Proctor handed him a paperback copy of A Heritage of Stone,
a book by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison that concluded that
the Kennedy assassination was plotted and executed by the CIA.
"Until then, I had never given the assassination a second thought,"
Proctor recalled. "I reasoned, 'They know who did it, right? What's the
big deal?' But both Watergate and this book told me to ask, 'Could there
have been a conspiracy in Dallas?'
"Already disturbed by the high crimes and misdemeanors of a fallen
president as a result of the Watergate scandal, I was shaken to the
core. Watergate had already convinced me that the government could lie
to its own people. This book forced me to ask the question whether
sometimes it also kills them."
It was through the work of independent researcher Michael Canfield that
a copy of the Raleigh Call slip first became public. He secured a copy of
the slip, which became available as the result of a Freedom of
Information lawsuit filed by a civil rights activist, while conducting
research for the 1975 book Coup d'Etat in America. The book, co-
authored with Alan Weberman, was the first major work to deal with the
Raleigh Call, and the slip was reprinted in the appendix.
On the slip were two numbers attributed to a "John Hurt": one for a John
W. Hurt, one for a John D. Hurt. Canfield called both numbers. John W.
Hurt turned up nothing of interest. However, when Canfield spoke to
John D. Hurt, he sat stunned, silent when Hurt revealed, "I was in the
counterintelligence corps in the Army during World War II."
That Oswald called a former military intelligence officer from jail—only to
be assassinated by Jack Ruby a little more than 12 hours later—was
notable and, to that point, publicly undisclosed.
Proctor became aware of Oswald's attempted call while riding on a train
from Hartford to New York in 1980. Proctor was engrossed in Anthony
Summers' book about the assassination, Conspiracy, when he came
across a short paragraph about Oswald's call from jail: "The note
preserved by Mrs. Treon reportedly shows that Oswald booked a call to
Area Code 919."
Proctor says: "I remember being pulled up short after reading that,
thinking, 'Something about that sounds familiar.' It took a few seconds,
but then I realized the area code 919 was Raleigh, my hometown."
Proctor later dialed the first number on the phone slip and, to his
surprise, John D. Hurt answered and confirmed the revelations in
Canfield's book.
In the way in which researchers have built upon one another's work to
add to the wealth of information about the assassination, Proctor took
the Raleigh Call a step further: Suspecting that Oswald had intelligence
connections, he interviewed a former CIA agent.
Victor Marchetti was a 14-year veteran of the CIA who had served as
executive assistant to then-Deputy Director Richard Helms. Marchetti
had also written extensively about the Raleigh Call in The CIA and the
Cult of Intelligence, the first book on the assassination censored by the
U.S. government.
In an interview with Proctor, Marchetti stated that in calling Hurt,
Oswald was clearly following standard procedure for a CIA asset under
duress. This includes contacting his case officer through a "cut-out," an
intermediary with no direct involvement in an operation—John Hurt.
"[Oswald] was probably calling his cut-out. He was calling somebody who
could put him in touch with his case officer," Marchetti told Proctor. "He
couldn't go beyond that person. There's no way he could. He just had to
depend on this person to say, 'OK, I'll deliver the message.' Now, if the
cut-out has already been alerted to cut him off and ignore him, then ..."
Here is an excerpt from Proctor's interview with Marchetti:
Proctor: OK, if someone was an agent, and he was involved in
something, and nobody believes he is an agent ... He is arrested, and
trying to communicate, let's say, and he is one of you guys. What is the
procedure?
Marchetti: I'd kill him.
Proctor: If I was an agent for the [Central Intelligence] Agency, and I
was involved in something involving the law domestically and the FBI,
would I have a contact to call?
Marchetti: Yes.
Proctor: A verification contact?
Marchetti: Yes, you would.
Proctor: Would I be dead?
Marchetti: It would depend on the situation. If you get into bad trouble,
we're not going to verify you. No how, no way.
Proctor: But there is a call mechanism set up.
Marchetti: Yes.
Proctor: So it is conceivable that Lee Harvey Oswald was ....
Marchetti: That's what he was doing. He was trying to call in and say,
"Tell them I'm all right."
Proctor: Was that his death warrant?
Marchetti: You betcha.
Whether the switchboard operator connected Oswald's call is irrelevant,
especially since there appeared to be government agents monitoring the
activity. His intentions were enough. As Marchetti told Proctor: "This
time [Oswald] went over the dam, whether he knew it or not, or whether
they set him up or not. He was over the dam. At this point it was
executive action." Assassination.
Proctor says he remembers thinking, as he had Marchetti on the phone:
"I have really stepped over into a place where I have NO referent at all. I
had no background for the necessarily dirty world of spycraft. I suppose
now, 30-plus years later, I have just about the same reaction."
Raleigh wasn't Oswald's only connection to North Carolina. Although the
U.S. government has contended that Oswald defected to the Soviet
Union, he had been spotted at the Illusionary Warfare Training base in
Nags Head, which instructed young idealists to be fake defectors to the
Soviet Union.
Marchetti wrote that the program created "young men who were made to
appear disenchanted, poor, American youths who had become turned off
and wanted to see what communism was all about."
The existence of the Nags Head base was confirmed in the 2004
testimony of former CIA pilot William "Tosh" Plumlee:
"When I later learned [in November 1963] that Oswald had been arrested
as the lone assassin, I remembered having met him on a number of
previous occasions which were connected with intelligence training
matters, first at Illusionary Warfare Training in Nags Head, North Carolina,
then in Honolulu at radar installation and at Oahu's Wheeler Air Force
Base, then in Dallas at an Oak Cliff safe house on North Beckley Street
run by Alpha 66's Hernandez group, who had worked out of Miami prior to
the assassination."
Oswald's intelligence connections were further verified in a 1975
congressional investigation.
In September of that year, U.S. Rep. Richard Schweiker was appointed
to chair the Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with
Respect to Intelligence Activities. Schweiker had the credentials for the
job: He had served on the Church Committee, which revealed gross
misconduct of the CIA, FBI and the military in their surveillance of U.S.
citizens.
The Select Committee was tasked to investigate intelligence agencies
with respect to the JFK assassination. Afterward, Schweiker revealed:
"We do know Oswald had intelligence connections. Everywhere you look
with him, there are the fingerprints of intelligence."
A year later, Congress launched another investigation, this one by the
House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), also charged with
probing the assassinations of JFK and the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Surell Brady was on the committee's staff and investigated the Raleigh
Call. Brady wrote an exhaustive 28-page report outlining Canfield and
Weberman's findings. Although the report clearly states that Oswald
attempted to call a former military intelligence officer with whom he had
no identifiable ties, that detail was omitted from the HSCA Final Report.
The trend of ignoring provocative evidence in government investigations
continued.
The Raleigh Call remains one of the most disturbing, unexplained and
ignored aspects of the JFK assassination. In an interview Proctor
conducted with HSCA Chief Counsel G. Robert Blakey, he reaffirmed what
has become the last official word on Oswald's attempted call. "I consider
it unanswered," Blakey said, "and I consider the direction in which it went
substantiated and disturbing, but ultimately inconclusive. The bottom line
is, it's an unanswerable mystery."
As we enter the 50th year after the assassination, expect an onslaught
of books, television programs and movies pertaining to the assassination.
Virtually every network will produce a show purporting to have the
definitive word on the JFK assassination. Judging from previous efforts,
they will likely support the conclusions of the Warren Commission and not
those of the government's more recent investigations. And odds are good
that researchers who have uncovered key documents will be, at best,
dismissed.
You can find the enormous body of work at Andy Winiarczyk's Last
Hurrah Bookshop in Williamsport, Pa., the world's definitive book store
devoted to the JFK assassination. The three-story converted house
reveals the massive scale of independent research: more than 2,000
titles. Of those, only a small minority reflect the Warren Report.
The rest document the indefatigable work of independent researchers
such as Proctor, whose findings have added up into a coherent and
compelling counter-narrative. "In many cases, researchers fight the
institutions for years—FOIA request after FOIA request—trying to get
one document pertaining to one tiny piece of evidence," said Andy, as
he's known among his fellow researchers. "When they finally get that
piece of information, they piece it together with their previous research
or with the research of others, and then write a book. And while that
one book might be incomplete, taken in toto with the work of the
research community, the truth behind the assassination becomes quite
clear."
Despite the 2,000 titles at the Last Hurrah, most of the national
attention given to books about the assassination has focused on just
two works that defend the government's official version: MSNBC
contributor Gerald Posner's best-seller Case Closed, published in 1993,
and 2007's Reclaiming History by former Los Angeles prosecutor Vincent
Bugliosi.
Posner's Case Closed was released in time for the 30th anniversary of the
assassination. "It caught this incredible wave," Andy says. "It appeared
on the desks of all the major media who would say, 'We don't have to
read anymore, we don't have to trouble ourselves, here's someone who's
sorted it all out.'"
But Posner's research was selective. Although he reviewed the 26
volumes of the Warren Report, Andy says, "he found what he wished to
find. But he didn't go really much beyond that."
Nonetheless, Posner made the press rounds: 60 Minutes, network
specials, the Sunday morning political roundtables and even the morning
shows. Posner appeared on the Today Show in the now infamous
segment "Truth or Conspiracy." Host Katie Couric proclaimed that the
three to four years Posner spent on the case amounted to "tons and
tons of research."
While Case Closed was a best-seller, Bugliosi's 1,648-page defense of the
Warren Report hovered at No. 800 in the Amazon rankings. Yet even at
that length, the book ignores the staggering 6 million documents that
have been released under the JFK Records Act, as well as the mountains
of independent research.
The book's dismal sales didn't dissuade media outlets from booking its
author. A staunch supporter of the Warren Report, Bugliosi appeared on
The Colbert Report, The Daily Show, C-Span and 20/20 to herald his
confirmation of the government's version of events—and in doing so,
marginalizing the work and evidence that counters that view.
"The dismissal and ostracizing of the pro-conspiracy group—including
independent researchers, members of Congress and congressional
investigators—continues [to this day]," Proctor says.
The media's role in perpetuating the official government version is
significant—and very effective. And for good reason: Reporters and
editors have helped the government itself.
Among the revelations of the Church Committee hearings was CIA
Document #1035-960. This document, dated Jan. 4, 1967, and marked
"PSYCH" for Psychological Warfare, directs CIA agents to counter critics
of the Warren Report by using "liaison and friendly elite contacts
(especially politicians and editors)" and "to employ propaganda assets to
answer and refute the attacks of the critics."
Those cozy relationships were revealed in 1977, when Washington Post
reporter Carl Bernstein—who had earned fame from his groundbreaking
Watergate coverage—wrote extensively on information released by the
Church Committee. His article detailing revelations of the committee
hearings, The CIA and the Media, appeared in the Oct. 20, 1977, issue of
Rolling Stone. The article exposed details of Operation Mockingbird, the
CIA's effort to control the media.
Through documentary evidence, Bernstein revealed a list of high-profile
media organizations that willingly cooperated with the CIA: These include
ABC, NBC, the Associated Press, Reuters, Newsweek, The Miami Herald
and even The Saturday Evening Post. "But the most valuable of these
associations, according to CIA officials, has been with The New York
Times, CBS, and Time Inc.," Bernstein wrote. Quoting an unnamed CIA
agent, Bernstein added, "One reporter is worth 20 agents."
Yet some of the most strident voices against the idea of conspiracy have
recanted, Proctor said. Case in point: Robert MacNeil of the
MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour, who recently stated in a filmed interview for
the documentary Beyond JFK: "We've seen revealed one conspiracy after
another. Anybody would have to be a fool, nowadays, to dismiss
conspiracies. And perhaps we lived in a fool's paradise before the
Kennedy assassination."
Even New York Times columnist Tom Wicker, a former defender of the
Oswald-as-lone-nut theory, reconsidered his position. "I think there's
enough evidence now that there's certainly doubts about that," wrote
Wicker, a North Carolina native.
There are many psychological theories that people innately need to
believe in conspiracies. However, Walt Brown, author of numerous books
on the JFK assassination and a college history professor, offers a counter
view: "Imagine the police come to your house to tell you that, God
forbid, your daughter has been killed. Once you get it together, you ask,
'What happened?' Well, the cop tells you, we're not sure. It's either a
psycho that got loose from the asylum or a bunch of Hell's Angels that
killed her.
"In this scenario, the guy from the asylum was just one of those fluke
things that happens: an accident. At least it wasn't systemic,
institutional and organized. Well, Lee Oswald is the accident and
conspiracy is systemic. As a father, I'm going to pray for the accident."
John Judge, co-founder and director of the Coalition on Political
Assassinations, put it best: "The political paralysis in America is based on
the fact that we are allowed to believe anything but to know nothing,
[author] Martin Schotz said so perceptively in History Will Not Absolve
Us," Judge said. "And if you cannot know, you cannot act." That's
precisely why, Judge believes, the word of independent researchers is so
important.
Will we ever know the truth? We may already. "Who is to say that,
somewhere in that morass of opinion and deception, the real answer
hasn't already been revealed?" Proctor says. "The government and the
press—by abrogating their responsibilities—have deprived us of the
normal and official venues for discerning the truth."
It's important to know the truth about the Kennedy assassination not
only to correct the historical record but to reveal the motivations for
obscuring it in the first place. The knowledge should prompt us to be
circumspect about what we "know," and to question other official
versions of contemporary events.
"Why is it important?" Proctor asks. "For the same reason it was
important to Galileo to correct the prevailing official position that the sun
revolved around the earth. Those who have devoted their lives,
resources and intellect to trying to uncover the truth about the Kennedy
assassination have decided that, twice now, the U.S. government has
been less than candid about its conclusions on who killed the President
of the United States. At the level of American politics and freedom itself,
can there be a more worthy cause?"
______________________
Randolph Benson is an award-winning, Durham-based filmmaker. His films
have garnered the Gold Medal in the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and
Sciences' Student Academy Awards and a Kodak Excellence in Filmmaking
Award at the Cannes Film Festival, among others. His work has been
featured on the Bravo Network, the Independent Film Channel and UNC-
TV as well as several international channels.
His current project, The Searchers, is a portrait of researchers of the
Kennedy assassination. The film is slated for a spring release.
A graduate of Wake Forest University and the North Carolina School of
the Arts, Benson has taught at the Center for Documentary Studies at
Duke University for more than 10 years. Contact him at
rbenson@thesearchersfilm.com
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Best Regards in Research,
++Don
Donald Roberdeau
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your key considerations....
Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations,
Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important
information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img831.images...dated110110.gif
(updated map coming in 2012)
Visual Report: "The FirstBullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK
was Hidden Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out.... http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif
Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll".... http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394
T ogether
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http://www.science.t...u/articles/969/
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With Eye Toward Justice, Prof Takes Statistics to the Courtroom
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DR. CLIFF SPIEGELMAN
Texas A&M statistician Cliff
Spiegelman applies his
professional expertise to make a
difference in the courtroom,
helping to provide justice for those
wrongly convicted of crimes on the
basis of flawed forensic science.
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EVIDENCE IS EVERYTHING
Photograph of one of the two full
boxes of Mannlicher-Carcano
bullets -- the same type believed
to have been used in President
John F. Kennedy's assassination --
that Spiegelman's team bought
and he helped analyze for their
previous award-winning study.
Manufactured in 1954, the bullets
now are considered antiques,
Spiegelman says, mainly because
most surviving bullets have been
bought up by conspiracy buffs.
COLLEGE STATION -- Cliff Spiegelman keeps a thank-you note from a
client, along with a retainer for his professional services on that effort, a
$1 bill. That's more than the distinguished professor in the Texas A&M
University Department of Statistics often gets for his public service. But
his mission to improve forensic science in the criminal justice system isn't
about money.
"I couldn't sleep at night, knowing that I didn't stand up and do the right
thing," Spiegelman said from his office, where the United States
Constitution, in four-poster-sized frames, looms over his desk.
Spiegelman makes a few out-of-state trips a year to testify in cases in
which he believes the forensic science is flawed. He often works with the
Innocence Project, the national non-profit legal clinic dedicated to
exonerating wrongfully convicted people through DNA testing and other
post-verdict methods.
But before Spiegelman agrees to take on a trial-level case, he has a
prerequisite: He has to be convinced there's a chance the defendant is
innocent.
"My conversations with the defense lawyers go something like this: If
your guy confessed to you and you believe him, please find someone
else," Spiegelman said.
Relying on his statistics expertise, Spiegelman was an ardent opponent of
a method of forensic testing called Comparative Bullet-Lead Analysis
(CBLA), which partly through his work the FBI discredited in 2007. The
abandoned technique, which used chemistry to link bullets from a crime
scene to those owned by a suspect, was first used following the 1963
assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
Spiegelman admits it's often been a challenge bringing statistics to the
criminal justice system, where the concept of stare decisis -- the legal
reverence to precedence -- makes changes to the system difficult. But,
he says, it's a mistake not to embrace statistics in the courtroom.
"There's always the chance of error," he said. "So, for instance, if a hair
from the defendant is similar to one found at the crime scene, the issue
is, what is the frequency of hairs that are similar in the general
population? Ninety percent? Ten percent? One percent? The relevance of
the evidence is based in part on how common it is. And that's a
statistical issue."
Spiegelman's interest in statistical forensics was sparked in 2002, when,
because of his expertise in statistics in chemistry, he was appointed to
serve on a National Research Council (NRC) panel to study bullet lead
evidence. During the meetings, he would step out to inject himself in the
stomach with a high dose of interferon as part of a difficult
chemotherapy treatment.
Spiegelman's doctor gave him a 50 percent chance of living. Instead of
quitting the panel to focus on his treatment, Spiegelman immersed
himself in the work with the stark realization that it could be his last
professional act.
The treatment was a success, and while he overcame the threat to his
life, his passion for statistical forensics remained.
In 2008, Spiegelman was a co-recipient of a prestigious national award
for leading a team**** that published a paper finding that forensic
evidence used to rule out the presence of a second shooter in President
Kennedy's slaying was fundamentally flawed. He shared the American
Statistical Association's 2008 Statistics in Chemistry Award with Simon
Sheather, professor and head of the Texas A&M Department of
Statistics, William D. James, a researcher with the Texas A&M Center for
Chemical Characterization and Analysis (CCCA), and three other co-
authors.
( ****NOTE.... the entire team that published its "The Annals of Applied
Statistics" (2007) peers-reviewed research paper was Cliff Spiegelman,
William A. Tobin, William D. James, Simon J. Sheather, Stuart Wexler and
D. Max Roundhill.... The paper, "CHEMICAL AND FORENSIC ANALYSIS
OF JFK ASSASSINATION BULLET LOTS: IS A SECOND SHOOTER POSSIBLE?"
is always available for you here.... http://arxiv.org/pdf/0712.2150.pdf )
The paper showed that the bullet fragments involved in the assassination
were not nearly as rare as previously thought, and that the likelihood
that all the fragments didn't come from the same batch of bullets also
was greater than previously thought. Bullet matches were found to be
much more likely than was indicated in testimony presented before the
House Select Committee on Assassinations, which was formed in 1976 to
investigate the assassinations of President Kennedy and Rev. Martin
Luther King Jr., as well as other shootings with similar national
prominence.
Spiegelman doesn't take a stance on whether he believes presumed
assassin Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. That's beyond his scope of
examining the quality of the CBLA forensic science, he says. And though
he often receives letters because of his assassination research -- like
the one from a clergyman who says he delivered last rites to a
condemned mobster in Central America who said the mob was involved,
and the Aggie who claims to have found the second shooter's rifle in a
hotel room the day after the assassination -- he stresses that he's not a
Kennedy assassination buff.
But Spiegelman says the Kennedy case is the ultimate example: If the
science could be wrong in a case with intense public interest and with
the government having all the resources it needed, then it certainly
could -- and has often been -- wrong in much more low-profile cases.
Spiegelman says the discrediting of CBLA as an unreliable procedure was
the result of a years-long, multi-pronged effort. One of his co-authors on
the Kennedy paper -- William A. Tobin, a former chief metallurgist for the
FBI -- had been raising concerns about the technique since the 1990s,
leading to the convening of the NRC panel that studied the technique.
But it wasn't until national media such as CBS' 60 Minutes and The
Washington Post started reporting on CBLA in 2007 that the FBI officially
announced it would permanently discontinue use of the procedure.
"It takes a village to take down bad forensic science," Spiegelman said.
Spiegelman was a founder within the statistical sciences of the field of
chemometrics, the science of using data to extract information from
chemical systems. He also is a senior research scientist at the Texas
A&M Transportation Institute, the state of Texas' transportation
research agency. He joined the Texas A&M Department of Statistics in
1987 as an associate professor and became a distinguished professor in
2009.
For more about Texas A&M Statistics, visit http://www.stat.tamu.edu.
To learn more about the Innocence Project, go to http://www.innocenceproject.org.
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Best Regards in Research,
Don
Donald Roberdeau
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your considerations....
Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence, Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations,
Witnesses, Films & Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important
information & Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img831.images...dated110110.gif
(updated map coming in 2012)
Visual Report: "The FirstBullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK
was Hidden Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report: Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out.... http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif
Discovery: "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll".... http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394
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Jim,
Can you post some of your Schweiker interview?
I agree that Fonzi is a great investigator and writer, the only problem I have is his failure to interview his primary subject, David Atlee Phillips, who when I talked with him on the phone, told me that he was working right down the hall from Fonzi at the Washingtonian Magazine when that cover-story feature article came out.
Even though I agree with Fonzi about what he says and thinks about Phillips, I think that DAP should have been given the opportunity to answer some questions before being hammered.
BK
.... Hi Bill.... Many years ago I contacted Mr. Fonzi for the first time to then provide the online transcript of his 1980 Washingtonian article's original manuscript (that manuscript led to his followup writing of his excellent book, "The Last Investigation"). I posted the transcript of his manuscript via the now-defunct AOL FTP service. I just checked the WayBack archives, and that transcript is still available for everyone for saving (complete with Gaeton's original spelling and grammar mistakes in his manuscript)....
http://web.archive.org/web/20050209021259/members.aol.com/DRoberdeau/JFK/LASTinvestigation.html
His 1966 article, "The Warren Commission, The Truth, and Arlen Specter" that was published in the Greater Philadelphia Magazine, is available on LooN Rahn's site, here....
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/the_critics/Fonzi/WC_Truth_Specter/WC_Truth_Specter.html
I had the honor a few times (not enough!) of sharing some of his thoughts and sharing my thoughts about the elimination of President Kennedy. (and suggested to Gaeton, once, in the late 1990's or early 2000's that he write another book) I have always thought that he was among a couple dozen or so of the researchers that we should definitely be putting in front of the public as often as possible. With his passing on, we all need to step up more.
Rest in peace, Sir.
Best Regards in Research,
++Don
Donald Roberdeau
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your considerations....
Homepage : President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence,
Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
Dealey Plaza Map : Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos,
Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource
(updated map coming in 2012)....
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2192/dpupdated110110.gif
Visual Report : "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden
Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2446/206cropjfk1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report : Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out....http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8543/realityvscad.gif
Discovery : "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film
Documented 2nd Headsnap:
West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll".... http://droberdeau.bl...assination.html
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Good Day Mike.... That is Mr. Craig Zirbel, author of "The Texas Connection." (with friends Robert Groden and Jim Marrs listening)
Best Regards in Research,
++Don
Donald Roberdeau
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your considerations....
Homepage : President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence,
Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
Dealey Plaza Map : Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos,
Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource
(updated map coming in 2012)....
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2192/dpupdated110110.gif
Visual Report : "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden
Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2446/206cropjfk1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report : Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out....http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8543/realityvscad.gif
Discovery : "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film
Documented 2nd Headsnap:
West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll".... http://droberdeau.bl...assination.html
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Good Day.... from my "Men of Courage" homepages website....
“I looked it up: One out of every four
Presidents has died in office.
I’m a gamblin’ man, darlin', and this is the
only chance I got."
(LBJ’s thinking while talking to “Time-Life magazine” owner CLARE BOOTHE LUCE, about 20th century
presidents, and, his odds of becoming president through a president’s death.
Quoted by Irwin and Debi Unger "LBJ: A Life," page 244)
Best Regards in Research,
++Don
Donald Roberdeau
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your considerations....
Homepage : President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence,
Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
Dealey Plaza Map : Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos,
Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource
(updated map coming in 2012)....
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2192/dpupdated110110.gif
Visual Report : "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden
Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2446/206cropjfk1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report : Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out....http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8543/realityvscad.gif
Discovery : "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film
Documented 2nd Headsnap:
West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll".... http://droberdeau.bl...assination.html
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Does anyone know which Zapruder frame is equivalent to this Bronson frame?
Good Day Mike .... I devote a detailed segment on page 3 of my Men of Courage homepages website for the very important BRONSON photo, its timestamping, and many of its key, revealing implications (it also looks better formatted on the homepage, than it copies/transfers to this forum)....
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Bronson photo # 5, click here or click the frame to enlarge into an extremely large, sharper, follow-up window
Photo # 5 captured by witness CHARLES LESLIE BRONSON that was snapped simultaneously between ZAPRUDER frames 226 and 227, while the attack shots were still being fired. (on my current publicly provided Dealey Plaza map Mr. BRONSON’s photo is timestamped at Z-229. That timestamping has been checked and re-determined to be Z226 to 227 for the newest Dealey Plaza map that will be provided for everyone in 2012)
Mr. BRONSON had planned and thought ahead of time that he wanted to capture this photo a couple seconds later than when it was actually snapped (he had decided he wanted to track the limo further along down Elm Street, then, snap the photo when it was further out in the open from his perspective, further away from the nearby “North Peristyle” cement horizontal structure, seen at the photo’s right). He had prepared to do so by staging and having his camera already up to his eye, and with his finger, already, placed on top of the camera’s shutter button.
Very importantly, Mr. BRONSON has stated, and maintained, that this photo was involuntarily snapped when the first audible muzzle blast or mechanically-suppressed-fired bullet bow shock wave that he remembered startled him so much that the loud blast caused his finger to immediately depress the shutter button on his 35mm camera earlier than he had wanted to.
In a stark, and critical, difference, the warrenatti-apologist, current "lone-nut" “theory”
mandates that their first audible muzzle blast was fired 4.15 to 4.21 seconds earlier at around Z-150.
A shot fired 4.15 to 4.21 seconds earlier does not even come close
to qualifying as leading to the immediate startled reaction
that impulsively caused BRONSON’s Z-226 to 227 photo.
Importantly, Mr. BRONSON, from a location that was an approximately the same, equal distance to the Texas School Book Depository as he was to the grassy knoll, stated that he remembered hearing an additional 2 shots after the first shot that caused his Z-226 to 227 photo, and also very importantly, BRONSON stated that the source of the shots was the western half of Dealey Plaza (which was to his and his photo’s extreme left, where the grassy knoll was also located, several hundreds of feet to the west of the far separated from the warrenatti-apologists "lone-nut" “snipers lair,” located to Mr. BRONSON’s distinct right)
Among the many additional key considerations of this important photo are the physics
and certitudes of the indisputable mathematics of BRONSON’s photo . . . .
.... During the attack BRONSON was standing on an approximately 5’ tall cement pedestal that is located nearest the southwest corner of Main and Houston streets.
.... The distance from BRONSON to the warrenatti-apologists "lone-nut" “snipers lair” window was 361’.
.... Because the air temperature at the time of the attack was 66 degrees, the speed of sound was 1124.4 feet-per-second.
.... If, as he maintains, Mr. BRONSON was startled by the loud sound of a gun shot into impulsively snapping his photo, and his startled photo was caused by a gun shot that - as the warrenatti-apologists maintain - had been triggered from a weapon fired from their, supposed, "lone-nut" “snipers lair” Depository sixth floor far eastern window, it took the sound of that gun shot audible muzzle blast exactly 0.32 second just to reach BRONSON’s ears.
.... This 0.32 second equaled nearly 5.9 ZAPRUDER frames.
.... After reaching his ears, if Mr. BRONSON reacted in the minimum of only 0.25 second (nearly 4.6 ZAPRUDER frames**** ) in his neurological stimulus received-interpreted refractory response time to manifest through into his startled physical reaction that led to his snapping his startled photo.
.... The time required for the muzzle blast to travel and reach Mr. BRONSON s ears, combined with the minimum time required for him to be stimulated and begin to physically react determines for us that from the instant a theorized warrenatti-apologists "lone-nut" “snipers lair” shot was triggered and the weapon expelled its bullet and blast noise, through the time that the audible muzzle blast sound wave traveled 361’, (not including, for now, several large trees between the Depository and BRONSON that also absorbed and slowed the muzzle blast sound wave), through the time the blast sound wave first reached BRONSON’s ears, then, he reacted to it by being so startled enough to accidentally press his camera shutter button earlier than he had planned, and, allowing 0.10 second (1.8 ZAPRUDER frames) for the camera button shutter mechanism to activate, at a minimum, it would have required a total time of at least 0.67 second.
.... This 0.67 second total equaled 12.3 Zapruder frames.
.... Because in Mr. BRONSON’s photo we can also very precisely pinpoint the President KENNEDY’s location exactly to Z-226 to 227, the minimum of 12.3 ZAPRUDER frames time required for a shot sound to travel and reach BRONSON’s ears, then, manifest itself through his sensed refractory time, then, into his startled physical reaction also mandates that a warrenatti-apologists "lone-nut" “snipers lair” theorized sourced shot must have been triggered, at the latest . . . .
exactly before Z-213.7 to Z-214.7
. . . . but . . . .
exactly after Z-208 . . . .
. . . . because, up until Z-208 the large tree
foliage and branches hid President
KENNEDY out of, all, "lone-nut" “snipers
lair” viewing and targeting ~ indicating that after the
President came back into view at Z-208 to 209 (and with
JFK already reacting and moving extremely quickly to his already being bullet impacted
near Z-190) the, supposed, "lone-nut" had only about 0.4-second, at the most, to
track him, acquire him as a target, then lead the target, then trigger the weapon before Z-213.7 to 214.7 with enough marksmanship skills to strike President KENNEDY (or, because JFK was already reacting circa Z-190 to being impacted and snapping his head rapidly leftward --presenting a thinner head-target to another assassin located behind--, and at some very closeby time stamp did a differently located rearward fired bullet barely miss the President’s already rapidly turned head, and flew very close to JFK but barely missed him, then, that different bullet impacted Governor CONNALLY?)
**** Once hearing the loud shot sound wave that startled him then caused his Z-226 to 227 photo, if it took BRONSON longer than 0.25 second to react upon hearing a gun shot, then, to be startled, then, to impulsively press his camera shutter button. . . .
. . . . then, the warrenatti-apologists "lone-nut" “snipers lair” theorized sourced shot simply must have been triggered an amount of time that much sooner, before Z-213.7 to 214.7,
to allow for the same amount of BRONSON’s longer reaction time . . . .
. . . . additionally and very importantly . . . . it could not have
been "lone-nut" fired before Z-208, up until which time
the tree hid President KENNEDY from **anyone**
in the "lone-nut" “snipers lair”
out of any view/targeting
. . . . But . . . .
.... the, current, warrenatti-apologists “theory” of a "lone-nut" “snipers lair“ fired “magic bullet” mandates
that President KENNEDY and Governor CONNALLY (formerly, a key, longtime aide to LYNDON
JOHNSON) were, supposedly, each nearly simultaneously impacted exactly and only
at Z-223 to 224 by a "lone-nut" triggered, 2165 feet-per-second muzzle exit
velocity “single-bullet “theory” “magic bullet” that was found nearly-pristine,
minorly-deformed, skinless, muscleless, boneless, clothing-fiberless,
and bloodless after its multiple bones smashing journey, and it
had only lost 1.5 % of its original average weight after a
190.1’ trajectory in 1.6 ZAPRUDER frames,
follow-up second shot . . . .
.... a follow-up second shot that had to be fired (according to the, current, commission-apologists theory)....
exactly and only,
@
Z-221.4
to
222.4
(END QUOTE)
Best Regards in Research,
++Don
Donald Roberdeau
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your key considerations + independent determinations....
Homepages Website : President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence,
Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.blogspot.com/2009/08/1-men-of-courage-jfk-assassination_09.html
Dealey Plaza Map : Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos,
Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information + Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource
(updated map coming)....
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2192/dpupdated110110.gif
Visual Report : "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden
Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2446/206cropjfk1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report : Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In-Garbage-Out.... http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8543/realityvscad.gif
Discovery : "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film
Documented 2nd Headsnap:
West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll".... http://droberdeau.blogspot.com/2011/01/discovery-close-jfk-assassination.html
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http://www.thedailyb...del-castro.html
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The Evil Genius of Fidel Castro
Jun 10, 2012 4:45 AM EDT
A legendary spymaster, the Cuban dictator knew
of Lee Harvey Oswald’s intention to kill President
Kennedy, but didn’t direct his assassination,
according to a recent book.
During the 1960s, Maurice Bishop was the alias used by an infamous
CIA officer in Mexico City, whom conspiracy theorists believe met Lee
Harvey Oswald shortly before President John F. Kennedy was murdered
in 1963. The alleged meeting is cited as clear evidence that CIA officers
were somehow involved in Kennedy’s assassination.
I knew Maurice Bishop, whose real name was David Atlee Phillips. A
long time ago, he got me into the agency. I know for certain that the CIA
did not kill President Kennedy. Yet Castro’s Secrets: The CIA and
Cuba’s Intelligence Machine, a recent book by former CIA analyst Brian
Lattell, has taught me many things I did not know about our shadow war
against the tiny, communist nation. And it has provided context and
overwhelming evidence for many of our intelligence failures vis-à-vis our
Cuban counterparts. Namely, that the claims against Phillips and the
CIA are the products of a decades-old Cuban disinformation campaign,
and that over the past 50 years, Castro has shown himself to be among
the greatest spymasters in modern history.
Castro’s Secrets begins like a slow murder mystery then builds damning
fact after damning fact into a conclusive, ground-breaking portrait, based
on firsthand sources, of how the Cuban strongman—in all his evil
brilliance—frequently ran circles around the CIA. Readers who start
Lattell’s book with the now widespread image of Castro as a slightly
avuncular, foolish caudillo will likely finish it wishing that President
Kennedy had followed through during the Bay of Pigs and rid us of this
sociopath and his murderous, corrupt regime.
Lattell has the background to write about Castro with authority: he began
tracking the Castro brothers for the agency back in the 1960s, finished
his career as the U.S. intelligence community’s most senior analyst for
Cuban affairs, and now is a senior research associate at the Institute for
Cuban and Cuban-American Relations.
The most interesting parts of his narrative revolve around how much
Castro knew about the plot to kill Kennedy, and a parallel attempt, on
the part of the CIA, to assassinate the Cuban dictator. Lattell delves into
this cloak-and-dagger tale through the story of Comandante Rolando
Cubela, a senior Cuban military officer who defected to the United
States. Yet Lattell alleges that Cubela, a hero of the revolution against
Batista, was actually one of Castro’s supreme triumphs, a double agent
run so well run that any intelligence officer would admire it.
During the 1960s, the agency knew Cubela by the pseudonym
AMLASH, and made him the centerpiece of its supreme assassination
plot against Castro. According to Lattell, the CIA trained Cubela to use a
special pistol with which to kill Castro from close range. He was then to
assume control of the country. The plan had the full backing of the
president and was likely set to begin in December 1963, just a month
after Kennedy was shot. But Cubela always avoided taking the pistol.
Lattell offers new evidence alleging that Castro personally ran Cubela
against the CIA from the start, dangling him in front of the agency in
1961 in Mexico City where Phillips, my eventual mentor, was stationed.
Castro even tipped the agency off that he knew all the details, in an effort
to convince Americans to back away from their plans. In October 1963,
just days after Cubela and his CIA handlers finalized the assassination
plot against Castro, the Cuban leader reportedly told a U.S.
congressman in Havana: “We don’t trust President Kennedy. We know
of the plans the CIA is carrying out.”
Castro also gave multiple public warnings that there would be grave
consequences if the Americans continued with their plans: “U.S. leaders
should think that if they are aiding terrorist plans to eliminate Cuban
leaders, they themselves will not be safe,” he said in early September
1963.
While conspiracy theorists harp on an alleged meeting between Oswald
and Phillips, Lattell shows that Castro actually had advance knowledge
of Oswald’s desire to kill Kennedy; in fact, he was told of it less than 24
hours after Oswald declared his intentions to Cuban intelligence officers
in Mexico City.
Lattell concludes that Castro did not direct Oswald to pull the trigger—
only that he did nothing to stop him. But elsewhere in Latin America, he
says that Fidel was intimately involved in assassination plots—from
sustained efforts to kill Venezuelan President Rómulo Betancourt—
Castro’s other bête noire after Kennedy—to the retribution
assassinations of almost everyone involved in the killing of Castro’s own
darling, Che Guevara.
No one in the CIA who noted Castro’s warnings appeared to take them
seriously, or knew of the plot to kill him; apparently, the White House
never became aware of the warnings, according to Lattell. Had the
importance of Castro’s comments been recognized, a decent counter-
intelligence officer should at least have thought twice about the AMLASH
operation.
Despite its efforts to kill Castro, the agency never established a way to
communicate with Cubela, on the ground in Havana. He frequently talked
tough, but did nothing; he had no real links to any military units in Cuba;
he continually raised his demands, in the end asking to meet with
Attorney General Robert Kennedy before agreeing to take any action.
And yet, Lattell says, the CIA pressed on. On Nov. 18, 1963, the agency
briefed Kennedy on the AMLASH plans, and received the go-ahead.
Three days later, Kennedy was dead. And the Cubela plot withered in
the chaotic aftermath of the president’s death.
Years later, the CIA did learn what Castro knew about Oswald, but
essentially did nothing with the information; it was apparently too
incendiary. As Lattell writes: “Even tentative evidence of a Cuban hand in
Kennedy’s death could have sparked a clamoring for punitive action...(so
the) story was squirreled away.”
It is possible that the information was considered so extraordinary that
lower-level officers didn’t believe it—an institutional blunder that
prevented anyone with authority or the proper perspective to pass it on to
policymakers; this, too, is typical, as my colleagues and I learned to our
chagrin after the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center.
One of the successes of Castro’s Secrets is that it offers readers a view
of both sides of the shadow war. As Jackie Gleason beamed his
escapism from Miami Beach to a public focused on the good life, the
CIA ran desperate, suicidal raids against Castro, conducted more often
than not to show President Kennedy that the agency was doing
something than out of any real expectation their plans would work.
There are familiar tales of half-baked assassination attempts and
exploding cigars. But as Lattell recounts them, he takes readers past
what was previously known and shows that the Kennedy brothers were
as single-minded in their efforts to eliminate Castro as he was ruthless
and devious.
The Kennedy’s had good reason. During the Cuban missile crisis, Castro
was eager for a fight with the U.S., according to Lattell. Though Castro
has spent roughly 50 years obfuscating his role—yet another of his
disinformation triumphs—Lattell offers convincing evidence that, at the
supreme moment of tension during the crisis, it was Castro who ordered
the downing of an American U-2 spy plane, not an overly excited local
commander.
Likewise, Lattell says, it was Castro who urged Soviet leader Nikita
Khrushchev to launch a nuclear war against the U.S. in response to the
deteriorating situation that the Cuban dictator had engineered. “Castro
suggested that in order to prevent our nuclear missiles from being
destroyed, we should launch a preemptive strike against the United
States,” Lattell writes, quoting Khrushchev’s memoirs, which are backed
up by quotes from Cuban defectors and other Russian officials.
One shares the horrified reactions of successive Soviet officials to the
man they called their “excitable,” communist ally, who was apparently
willing to see us all killed to serve his ego. Only a megalomaniac would
vehemently argue for Armageddon so that he could survive in a bunker,
the revolutionary hero presiding over an irradiated hemisphere. But then,
in Lattell’s account, this is Castro through and through: a sociopath from
early manhood, who in the barrios of Havana after World War II, gunned
down rivals, shooting them in the back from a distance.
For all his determination, Kennedy failed to kill Castro, not just because
the determined loser Oswald shot him, inflecting history, but because
before his death, Kennedy’s plans against Castro were based on the
overly optimistic assessments of our intelligence community. Yet, the
cynicism, delusions, and wishful thinking—all presented as sensible—
that plagued the CIA efforts to eliminate Castro were characteristic of
several agency operations during my own career decades later (one only
has to remember the contra war in Nicaragua in the 1980s and so many
of the Bush administration’s actions during the war on terror).
Yet I sympathize with my predecessors: for I experienced the intense
pressures from policymakers to solve the problem, when my colleagues
and I knew full well that we could offer little but puffed up hopes and
demonstrations of aggressive action, while having to downplay our
pessimism.
During the mid-1980s, I was spared the misfortune of working Cuban
operations. But by the late 1980s, it seems the CIA fared much better in
its battles with Castro. The tables had turned. And in the end, it seems
that Phillips, my old mentor, maligned as he has been by Cuban
disinformation, will have the last laugh. For after reading Castro’s
Secrets, no one will be able to think of Fidel as anything but what Lattell
shows him to be: a murderer, sociopath, and deluded egomaniac.
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Best Regards in Research,
++Don
Donald Roberdeau
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your considerations....
Homepage : President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence,
Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
Dealey Plaza Map : Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos,
Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2192/dpupdated110110.gif
Visual Report : "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden
Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2446/206cropjfk1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report : Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out.... http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8543/realityvscad.gif
Discovery : "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film
Documented 2nd Headsnap:
West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll".... http://droberdeau.bl...assination.html
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.... Good Day .... The ANTHONY SUMMERS 2001-updated, must read, Vanity Fair article, "The Ghosts of November" is archived, and always available, here....
....JEFFERSON MORLEY's outstanding, "Revelation 19.63" is also archived and available here....
http://web.archive.org/web/20050209015743/members.aol.com/DRoberdeau/JFK/REVELATION1963.html
....GAETON FONZI's original lengthy manuscript article, "The Last Investigation" (complete with its original spelling errors) that preceded his book of the same title, is also archived and available here....
http://web.archive.org/web/20050209021259/members.aol.com/DRoberdeau/JFK/LASTinvestigation.html
Best Regards in Research,
++Don
Donald Roberdeau
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your considerations....
Homepage : President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence,
Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations....http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
Dealey Plaza Map : Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos,
Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource....http://img831.images...dated110110.gif
Visual Report : "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden
Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report : Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out....http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif
Discovery : "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film
Documented 2nd Headsnap:
West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll".... http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394
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Good Day David.... IIRC, for that specific Polaroid Highlander camera, Model 80A quickly-self-developing film, its ASA-rating was ASA-3000.
(I am remembering from my childhood/young teen years, when I actually used all 3 types of the discussed-here filmstocks to capture astronomy photos with my telescopes of stars, galaxies, cluster's, nebula's, the moon, and the planets)
ASA-3000 was, indeed, an exceedingly fast-recording film, very capable of eliminating most, or all, motion blur.
(dependent, of course, on the speed of what was in motion, combined with the object-tracking accuracy of the camera operator, combined with the specifications for the camera's lens, combined with the shutter speed, etc).
Relatively, the two most widely used black-and-white 35mm filmstocks in the past (circa pre-1980) were Kodak-manufactured brand names "Plus-X" and "Tri-X," and, IIRC, those had an ASA-rating of 100 and 400, respectively.
(indicating for us that Mary Moorman's Polaroid filmstock was 30-times faster than "Plus-X," and, 7.5-times faster than "Tri-X".... IIRC, in DP, IKE ALTGENS used "Tri-X" film in his Nikon camera with a telephoto lens)
Additionally, IIRC, the chemicals make-up of that Polaroid ASA-3000 filmstock emulsion also made for, physically, substantially larger-sized grains composite within the filmstock emulsion, and one result of those larger-sized grains, was less-clear images.
Best Regards in Research,
++Don
Donald Roberdeau
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your considerations....
Homepage : President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence,
Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
Dealey Plaza Map : Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos,
Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img831.images...dated110110.gif
Visual Report : "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden
Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report : Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out.... http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif
Discovery : "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film
Documented 2nd Headsnap:
West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll".... http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394
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Good Day.... FYI....
http://www.businessinsider.com/is-the-government-holding-back-crucial-documents-2012-5
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Is the Government Holding Back Crucial Documents?
(by Russ Baker)
WhoWhatWhy May 30, 2012, 1:41 PM
Next year will be a half-century since the death of JFK. And the Obama Administration thinks we need to keep secret the records on the matter….a little longer yet.
Believe it or not, more than 50,000 pages of JFK assassination-related documents are being withheld in full. And an untold number of documents have been partially withheld, or released with everything interesting blacked out. But why?
Since the government and the big media keep telling us there was no conspiracy, and that it was all Lee Harvey Oswald acting on his own, why continue to keep the wraps on?
We don’t have an answer, but in understanding this and any number of other mysteries, we can begin looking for patterns in the way the administration handles information policy.
We Want to Hear From You (But That’s It—We Just Want to Hear From You)
Earlier this year, the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) asked(1), on its online Open Government Forum, for suggestions from the public about what it could do to create greater transparency. The #1 most popular idea? Get those Kennedy records out—before Nov. 22, 2013, the fiftieth anniversary of the Dallas tragedy.
But instead of dealing honestly with this matter, the feds have resorted to disinformation. In an interview with the Boston Globe, the Archivist of the United States claimed(2) that at two public forums held on open records, the most public comments came from people interested either in the JFK assassination or….in UFOs.
Except for one thing: James Lesar, an attorney and co-founder of the Assassination Archives and Research Center (AARC), a DC-based nonprofit that has fought a long and valiant fight on behalf of the public interest in disclosure, attended both of those forums and says that as he recalls there were no people there asking about UFOs, or that at most it was of negligible interest. In fact, a look at NARA’s online idea forum (now closed) showed no UFO proposals or comments.
So, what’s with claiming otherwise? One could be excused for seeing in the Archivist’s statement a deliberate, and unworthy, attempt to smear the legitimacy of JFK inquiries by trying to make them appear “kooky.” (Not to judge the merits of the idea that there could be life elsewhere in the Universe, but the term “UFO conspiracist” is a well-worn dysphemism.)
Here’s what actually happened at the NARA forums.
The first was held in 2010. The assistant archivist, Michael Kurtz, said that withheld JFK assassination records would be processed, along with other documents, for declassification—and that the process should be completed by the end of 2013.
But by 2011, Kurtz, who had been at NARA for decades, had retired. At the 2011 forum, Jim Lesar was told that JFK assassination records are not part of the declassification process. Hence, they will not be reviewed for release.
Huh? What Happened
For some perspective, meet Sheryl Shenberger. She’s the head of the Archives’ National Declassification Center. What would you guess Sheryl’s professional background would be? Library of Congress? Academic research? Nope. Before NDC, Sheryl worked for….the Central Intelligence Agency(3).
The most logical and reasonable explanation for this is that the Obama administration placed an ex-spook in charge of declassification because this would induce her old colleagues in Langley to cooperate. (Which of course raises the question of whether, in a real democracy, you would want to have a bunch of people secretly deciding to do whatever they wanted with 50-year-old documents pertaining to a supposed loony loner who whacked a president.)
Frustrated by the administration’s foot-dragging on JFK, AARC sent a letter urging the government to get off its duff. One signer was G. Robert Blakey, who served as a Chief Counsel to the House Select Committee on Assassinations (which in its 1978 final report said that, um…it looks like an organized conspiracy(4) was responsible for JFK’s death.)
ARRC’s letter(5) was dated January 20, 2012. According to Lesar, there has still been no reply—though NARA says it is working on it.
Release of the remaining documents, under the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992, can be postponed until October 26, 2017. Not so bad, you say? Actually, the Act further states that even in 2017, the president may decide to drag this on further, by withholding records indefinitely.
Records activists expect the CIA to petition for just such a decision. Any bets on President Hillary or President Mitt—or, quite possibly, President Jeb Bush(6), doing the right thing? With all the secrets(7) Jeb’s father has to hide?
Playing Games with Numbers
One of the problems is that we’re being asked to trust these folks at all. Even the number of documents being withheld—50,000—is a guess. At the 2010 public forum, Asst. Archivist Kurtz said that only about one percent of the five million pages had been withheld. Now the government is likely to say the number is even smaller. But think about it: what would they withhold, except the stuff that really tells us something important? So whether it is 50,000 or 500 documents, it appears that government officials are hiding something, and they’re not about to give it up.
One of the many wonderful spook tricks is to designate files as “Not Believed Relevant.” Among those so designated when the House Assassinations Committee investigated in the 1970s, we later learned, were files on the Soviet defector Yuri Nosenko. He had claimed to have been in charge of the KGB’s Oswald files; and on the Cuban Revolutionary Council, a CIA front group set up by the ubiquitous master planner E. Howard Hunt that was connected in multiple ways to the Oswald story.
“Not Believed Relevant”? We’ll take one of each of those documents, please.
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Amazingly, the CIA under George W. Bush may turn out to be more compliant than Obama’s “open government” advocates. In 2004, on Bush’s watch, the Agency voluntarily agreed to accelerate the release of postponed JFK assassination documents, and did indeed release some early.
By contrast, in the spring of 2012, three DC attorneys with long experience in litigating Freedom of Information cases expressed their disappointment with Obama in an opinion piece(8). They noted that the Department of Justice under Eric Holder seems willing to go to bat for any and every agency and department that wants to withhold information.
Open Government Plans….So Where’s the Open Government?
On his first day in office, President Obama signed a government-wide directive(9) –widely reported by the media—establishing a whole new level of commitment to openness and transparency. The administration has made some real strides. But arguably not on the most sensitive—and hence most important—matters.
On April 9, federal agencies were supposed to post updates to their Open Government Plans, this according to Cass Sunstein, administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, writing on the White House blog(10). Some agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency, did so. But others, such as the Department of Labor(11), did not(12) —and still have not. NARA is one of those that has not complied.
As the expression goes, sunshine is the best disinfectant. Opening up the nooks and crannies of government to public view was supposed to aid the process of discovering and rooting out the rot. This would, we were assured, help return Washington to the people. Obama selected Sunstein, a Harvard professor and old friend, to oversee this effort.
Not long ago, when I asked to discuss this with Sunstein, I was told he was “not available” for interviews.
Here’s the exchange:
From: Russ Baker
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:12 PM
To: Sunstein, Cass R.
Subject: interview request
Mr. Sunstein, wonder if I might be able to do a phone interview with you about Open Records policy?
From: Strom, Shayna L.
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:25 PM
To: Russ Baker
Subject: FW: interview request
Unfortunately, Administrator Sunstein is unavailable for an interview. That said, you might try the Archivist of the United States at NARA? Best of luck!
Warmly,
Shayna
From: Russ Baker
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:33 PM
To: Strom, Shayna L.
Subject: RE: interview request
Is he generally unavailable for interviews? What is the policy on that? Seems relevant given that this is about open government.
From: Strom, Shayna L.
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:00 PM
To: Russ Baker
Cc: Mack, Moira K.
Subject: RE: interview request
No, he’s not generally unavailable—but the Archivist is intimately involved in one of our big open government initiatives (records modernization), so he’s just a particularly good person to speak to on this.
So the person in charge of the overall governmental effort on open records wants me to talk to the person running one of the agencies that is….having difficulties complying with the spirit if not letter of Obama’s announcement.
No Mr. Sunshine, That Mr. Sunstein
Actually, Sunstein has good reason to lay low. Watch this slightly raw video(13) of someone confronting him about a paper he wrote(14) a few years ago. In it, he actually advocated “cognitive infiltration” of groups that espouse alternative views on controversial issues like the events of Sept. 11, i. e, conspiracy theories.
Here’s a quote from Sunstein’s paper:
(W)e suggest a distinctive tactic for breaking up the hard core of extremists who supply conspiracy theories: cognitive infiltration of extremist groups, whereby government agents or their allies (acting either virtually or in real space, and either openly or anonymously) will undermine the crippled epistemology of those who subscribe to such theories. They do so by planting doubts about the theories and stylized facts that circulate within such groups, thereby introducing beneficial cognitive diversity.
Sunstein is a sort of caricature of everything people don’t like and don’t trust about government. The fact that he’s in charge of “open government” speaks volumes.
Apparently not a great enthusiast for the Freedom of Information Act, Sunstein has said that judges are not qualified to second-guess executive branch decisions on what the public should or should not be told.
In light of this record, it’s useful to consider Sunstein’s broader mandate: to make government more efficient and accountable. Releasing records involves, in part, cutting red tape. Another aspect of cutting red tape is getting rid of bureaucracy. And that’s where things get even more interesting. Under cover of making government more accountable, Sunstein gets to push for elimination of regulations that corporations find onerous. Here’s a Washington Post article on Sunstein holding up (for more than a year) food safety legislation that the industry doesn’t like.
What’s going on here? Why the seeming shift away from Obama’s initial commitment to openness? One attorney involved with these matters says he suspects this may be traceable to Obama’s order, shortly after he took office, to release many of the so-called “torture memos.” The President seemed taken aback by vociferous public demands that he prosecute the torturers—a perilous policy(15) due to internal resistance—and quickly shifted to favoring the intelligence community and restricting disclosure. As the attorney points out, the broader concept—that transparency leads to public awareness which in turn leads to demands for political changes—certainly does not sit well with dominant sectors in this country. Obama has hardly distinguished himself for seriously taking on those sectors. Maybe because he doesn’t want to, maybe because…he can’t. (For more on this, see our 2010 piece, “What Obama is Up Against.”(16))
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NARA is now saying that the White House gave “small agencies” (meaning NARA) a June deadline for publishing its revised open government plan. But no White House postings support that claim. In any case, even if and when NARA becomes more responsive, don’t bet on the government releasing the most valuable JFK-related documents…in your lifetime.
By the way, here’s more on the new head of the Archives’ declassification center: “Ms. Shenberger served as a Branch Chief in the CIA Counter Terrorism Center between 2001 and 2003…” before being assigned declassification work for the Agency.
That’s very interesting—since one gets the sense that the Agency is not eager to release inside dope on the government’s astounding failures relating to one particular date in 2001.
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FOOTNOTES:
(1) http://naraopengov.ideascale.com/
(2) http://articles.bost...ernment-files/3
(3) http://www.archives....10/nr10-98.html
(4) http://www.history-m...eport_0016a.htm
(5) http://www.aarclibra...es_12-01-20.pdf
(6) http://whowhatwhy.co...ent-bush-again/
(7) http://www.amazon.co...ASIN=B003NSBMNA
(8) http://www.law.com/j...ment&slreturn=1
(9) http://www.whitehous...pen_Government/
(10) http://www.whitehous...rnment-plans-20
(11) http://www.openthego...t.org/node/3449
(12) http://www.openthego...t.org/node/3422
(13)
(14) http://papers.ssrn.c...ract_id=1084585
(15) http://whowhatwhy.co...reats-to-obama/
(16) http://whowhatwhy.co...-is-up-against/
Best Regards in Research,
++Don
Donald Roberdeau
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your considerations....
Homepage : President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence,
Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
Dealey Plaza Map : Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos,
Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img831.images...dated110110.gif
Visual Report : "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden
Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report : Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out.... http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif
Discovery : "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film
Documented 2nd Headsnap:
West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll".... http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394
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Dr. TONI GLOVER Comes Forward Publicly
Good Day.... Recently Dr. TONI GLOVER started posting publicly to the
JFK assassination forums and newsgroups, stating that she was a
Dealey Plaza assassination witness who was standing up on the
pedestal near the north, curved end of the North Reflecting Pool's east
side where a young woman wearing a turquoise-blue coat is seen in
several films standing with another woman....
BELL film
HUGHES film
DORMAN film
TONI had previously completed an oral history (in 2 parts) for The Sixth
Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza, after which the SFM wrote....
Dr. Toni Glover
Standing on a concrete pedestal at the corner of Houston and Elm
Streets in Dealey Plaza, eleven-year-old Toni Glover witnessed the
Kennedy assassination. Seeing the president's death, connected
emotionally to her abusive childhood, had a traumatic impact on her life.
Recorded January 20, 1999, and March 14, 2012.
On 2-2-12 GARY MACK wrote to researcher GERDA DUNKEL
http://www.jfkassass...pic,5834.0.html
.... "Her name was Toni Glover, she was 11 years old and she did not
know who the other girl was. Toni did an oral history for The Sixth Floor
Museum in 1999, though a transcript has not yet been made. She
thought two shots were fired and she's recently returned to the
Museum's Reading Room to do research for some project."
When she came forward publicly on 4-16-12, Dr. GLOVER initially wrote
http://groups.google...4ff8b1a8?hl=en ....
I've been writing a memoir about watching Kennedy's head explode, and I
came across this site.
For what it's worth, I was standing on top of a cement block at the corner
of Houston and Elm. Eleven year old girl in a blue ski jacket. Robert
Hughes, Mark Bell and Frances Dornan films all catch glimpses.
And as hard as it is for folks to believe it, one little jerk fired from
the window and got off a couple of lucky shots. An idiot killed Kennedy.
One idiot who had a huge fight with his wife that morning.
I had a panoramic view, and there was no conspiracy. Terrible sadness, but
no conspiracy.
Toni
On 4-19-12 Dr. GLOVER wrote....
Oh Lordy. I have stepped into it. I knew nothing about this site. It was
late and I searched my name and Kennedy. When John's work showed up I was
stunned and wrote a stupid email. Let's start over.
My name is Toni (Antoinette) Glover. I was born in Dallas, Texas at
Methodist Hospital on February, 14, 1952. (That's right, Valentine's Day)
I lived in Oak Cliff, about 5 minutes from downtown. I was eleven. After a
lot of begging, my mom took me to the parade. We went straight to Dealey
Plaza thinking the end of the parade would have the least people. I don't
remember anyone else there when we arrived. An excited 11 year old, I kept
running back and forth from my "perch" to Main Street looking down it to
see if I could tell the cars were coming. I did this several times. On one
of those trips to Main, a guy had a seizure at Main and Houston. I was
afraid they would divert the parade because of the ambulance. I went back
to my cement block before they turned onto Houston. When the limo passed
he looked up, waved and smiled. Then he turned the corner and a couple of
seconds later, his head exploded. There is a column that blocked my view
for a couple of seconds, but then the car reappeared and bang. From my
perspective, the plume of brains and blood sparkled a little in the Texas
sun. I told my mom someone threw sparklers in the car!!!!
I have no other evidence of any kind about the assassination.
Announcing that Oswald was, "an idiot" and other remarkable statements I
made were at best ill-informed. I am not an historian. I will stick to
telling my experience and let you historians figure out who did what. My
personal belief is that Oswald acted alone. But that's just my opinion. I
didn't see anything like odd individuals, or flashes or anything else that
would make me think otherwise. Loud noises echo in downtown Dallas. I
"think" I heard 2 shots, but I have always qualified that by saying
"everything echoes down there". I'm not sure how anyone can tell where the
shots came from. But many feel otherwise.
I'm happy to answer questions about my life and experience, but drawing
conclusions is above my pay grade. I know I was standing on the cement
block the entire time Kennedy was on Houston and Elm. I have no idea who's
view I blocked. And I'm not sure who is on the block with me. I doubt my
mom would have crawled up that high.
.... and on 4-19-12 ....
Some answers:
At eleven I was 5' 6", had a long pony tail, and I'll go to my grave
before telling anyone what I weighed. The deal I made with my mom was: If
I went to school, she would pick me up at 11:00 and take me to the parade.
That's the only reason I had on a skirt. We had horses and I usually wore
jeans. The sagging knee socks were worn because I was jealous of a new
girl in my class and was trying to copy her.[/font color]
.... At that point, instead of the majority of thread-posters choosing to
actually engage-their-brain and ask Dr. GLOVER questions that she hadalready clearly offered to freely answer, during the next 2 days thread-
posters chose to mostly, acidickly, argue among themselves about how
witness AMOS EUINS claimed in a Fall 2011 National Geographic TV
program, "The Lost Bullet," that during the shots he had ducked-down
behind the same, close pedestal that TONI said she was standing on top
of (rather than the thread-posters simply, smartly, taking the EUINS
aspects to a different, newly initiated thread)
I then simply contacted TONI and simultaneously posted the following
straightforward questions for her, based on my previous contacts with 42
Dealey Plaza witnesses....
Good Day Toni.... Thank You very much for your help + taking the time to
search and share for this newsgroup your observations and thoughts with
respect to 11-22-63.
I positively do recall Gary Mack mentioning several years ago (seems like
it was around 1999 ?) about a woman walking into the Sixth Floor Museum
and claiming to be an assassination witness, and that woman was trying to
find photographic evidence of her being in Dealey Plaza on 11-22-63. (I
will search in my extensive news timeline archive, emails, and notes for
his mentioning that) A couple months ago I also read on another JFK forum
thread that Gary did mention you by name, and I provided that other thread
link in this thread's earlier post of mine.
Off the top of my head....
Before 11-22-63 did you have any experience firing a weapon, and / or,
being around other persons firing a weapon? (I always ask every Dealey
Plaza witness about this because of the 42 witnesses I have contacted,
several of them did have weapons experience and / or around gunfire from
the time they were a young child) ....Have you fired a weapon and/or been
around gunfire since 11-22-63?
What is your Mom's name? (same on 11-22-63?)
What time did you and your Mom arrive near / in Dealey Plaza that
day?
Where did your Mom park her car?
What did you and your Mom do after arriving, and before the
presidential limousine came into Dealey Plaza?
Do you remember any other details about the man having the epileptic
seizures close to "your" North Reflecting Pool cement pedestal, just
minutes before JFK came into the plaza?
Did you remain on "your" elevated cement pedestal after President
Kennedy turned onto Elm Street and had already passed you?
Were you still up on that cement pedestal during the shots? (if not,
where?)
Could you see the presidential limousine when the first shot that you
remembered hearing was fired? (if not, what did you see?)
What direction were you facing when you heard the first shot? ....the
second?
Could you please specifically estimate how much time was there between
the 2 shots that you remembered hearing?
Did each shot sound the same in loudness and pitch, or, did each
sound different?
Where did each of the shots seem to originate from, relative to your
standing elevated location on "your" pedestal?
Did you realize that the 2 shots were gunfire, or, did you think that
one or both of them were something else?
What were your reactions between the shots, then, immediately
afterwards?
Where did you first look towards for each of the shots, then, where
did you look immediately afterwards?
Please describe any echoes from the shots in terms of loudness,
length, number of echoes, etc.
Did you smell anything noticeable or distinctly different right after
the shots ended?
Along with when you were able to see the presidential limousine
occupants, did you view any of the other cars or police cyclists
personal actions and reactions during or right after the shots?
Do you remember any of your nearby co-witnesses doing, saying, etc
anything specific during the shots, or in the aftermath?
From where you were during the shots, did you hear a high level of
crowd noise, yells, or clapping, etc?
Where was your Mom standing during the shots?
What does your Mom say about what she remembers about the shots, the
assassination, and its aftermath, etc?
Would she be willing to detail her observations for us publicly, or
her details passed on for us from her, through you?
How long did you both stay in Dealey Plaza after the assassination
ended? ....The reason I ask Toni is because if you stayed in Dealey
Plaza for even a minimum of minutes, there is a decent chance that you
were photographed and/or filmed, and we might be able to help locate
you within the many aftermath photos/films. The longer you and your
Mom stayed, the higher the chances are that you were photographed/
filmed.... In relation to that, what was your Mom wearing that
day? ....her height? ....hair color? ....hair style? ....was she
carrying a purse? ....Etc., etc
Were there any other friends of yours and/or your Mom's that were also
in Dealey Plaza? (: hopefully, with a camera, or movie camera!
Since that day, have you met any other assassination witnesses?
How closely have you followed the assassination investigations by the
U.S. government, books, magazines, radio, internet, TV documentaries,
etc?
Are you and your Mom going to provide the Sixth Floor Museum with an
jointly done oral history for their archives?
I will be adding you and your Mom's name and precise location within
my Dealey Plaza map (: I have been steadily updating the map for
several months, and will provide it updated for everyone, soon
Also adding you and your Mom for my detailed, referenced list of DP
witnesses and before/after events-persons.
Thanks again for your help.
Best Regards,
Don
.... Within hours the same day, TONI wrote her detailed answers....
I'll do my best to answer the questions.
1. My mom's name was Dorothy Glover in 1963. My parents divorced in 1958,
and she kept the name until she remarried in 1973 to Jake Best. I'm the
youngest of six. They had a boy, and then 5 girls. Mom was born October
30, 1918, named Dorothy Mae Haley in either Dallas or Rising Star, Texas.
I'll look it up.
2. We were wayyyyyy early. We probably got there around 11:15. Lots of
time for me to run around looking for the best view. I was so anxious. I
went down Elm on the grass, came back up and finally decided on the
pedestal. I do not remember anyone else there that early. I think we were
the first ones there. Someone might be able to dispute that. But that's
what I remember. Then I ran back and forth from my perch on the pedestal
to the intersection of Main and Houston to see if the motorcade coming
down Main.
3 We parked on Elm in the first block from Houston. We were so early, we
intended to drive through Dealey Plaza and see how many people there were.
and this street parking spot appeared close to Houston, and we pulled in
considering it a stroke of good luck. I cannot tell your exactly how far
down Elm we were parked. My memory says in the first block from Houston.
If anyone gets a picture of the first two blocks down Elm. I "should" be
able to pick out her car. My older sisters and brother might know the make
and model. I don't. I remember colors, and I think the car was purple with
fins. Go figure.
4. I knew a woman who had seizures so I knew what they looked like. I
remember him on the ground on the west side of Houston, I'm not sure
whether it was the north or south corners. Main street was blocked off at
Houston because it a two-way street, and he might have been very close to
lying in the street. But I think he was on the NW corner. My instinct was
to help, but there were cops calling for an ambulance, and I was so
distracted by the coming parade, that this event wasn't nearly as
important as "is the car EVER going to get to Houston!!"
5. The instant the limo disappeared onto the highway, I whirled around to
get down and the was a guy sitting on the grass, leaning against the
pedestal on the Houston side. I probably wouldn't have noticed him at all
except he wouldn't move to let me down so I had to crawl to the stone
fence to get down. I don't know who he was or where he was before I turned
around. Mom and I were shocked he wouldn't move. PLEASE, folks on the
list, I know nothing else about this guy. To the best of my memory no one
ever hid on the south end of the pedestal. BUt guys, let me qualify all
this. I was transfixed in the president's limo. I wouldn't have noticed
Mickey Mouse standing next to me during the time I had eyes on the
president. BUT when something happens that makes you change your path (not
jump off but crawl to the fence) it's memorable. I remember him being dark
complected, but mom and I thought he was Hispanic not black. Don't know
what this does to the Euins discussion, but that's what we both saw and
talked about at home. My sisters remember us telling them that, too.
6. Yes. I was up on the pedestal from the moment the limo turned onto
Houston, to the second it went under the Triple Underpass.So I was up
there for the shots. This March I was in Dallas doing research in the
Museum's Reading Room, and I decided to walk across the street to Dealey
Plaza. I climbed up on the pedestal (not an easy task at 60) and took a
video of my view, panning from Main all the way around to the underpass. I
also took a picture of my view of the head shot from the pedestal. Happy
to send either.
Let me reiterate here that I am researching people's emotional reaction
and how it effected them throughout there lives. That's why I've watched
hours of oral histories. I have never done research on who shot the
president or why.
7. There is a column in the PLaza that blocked my view for a second. I
think the first shot was when my view was blocked. I'll send the video and
you can see exactly when I could see what.
8. I have no idea how many shots were fired (I think I heard 2), but
anyone serious about this needs to go down there and listen to how much it
echoes in the canyons of downtown Dallas. I have always qualified my
answer by saying it echoed so much, I couldn't tell how many shots (at
least 2) or where any of them came from. After the first shot, I looked at
my mom, but other than that, my eyes were glued on the car. It was an
extraordinarily emotional time for me. I don't know how many people have
seen a human head explode, but I was eleven and it traumatized me. So
remembering details is mixed with a LOT of emotion. I do my best.
9. Didn't smell anything (certain on that one).
10. I saw there were cars following, but again, my gaze was transfixed on
the president's car. You can see in one of the photos I'm waving my arms
at the president as he turned the corner onto Elm. I didn't pay any
attention to the other cars.
11. In the aftermath people were stunned at first, then it became chaotic.
I had yelled "someone threw fireworks in the car" and I remember people
looking up at me cause they couldn't see anything and I could. But that
lasted only second, because I immediately tried to get down and people had
started moving down Elm.
12. As soon as I got down, I looked around for sources that might know
what's really happening, and saw a police motorcycle (maybe 2?) parked in
front of the SBD steps. I ran over there to listen to what the police were
being told. I tried not to act like I was listening. I was there for maybe
30 seconds (I don't know exactly) when I heard the words "shot in the
head." I immediately ran back to my mom. She had a heart condition and we
were always trying to protect her from stress, so I lied and said, "It
only grazed his head, let's go home." We walked the block to our car and
drove straight down Elm like any other day. It wasn't blocked off. It
amazes me that they let cars drive through the scene 5 minutes after the
assassination. Now that we have all the crime solving TV, it seems odd
that a crime scene was not blocked off. SO, in a nutshell: I was on the
pedestal until the car vanished, I got off and ran across the street to
listen to the police radios, I went back to my mom (still near the
pedestal) and told her his head was grazed and that we should leave right
away. I was acutely aware of her heart condition and wanted to get her out
of there ASAP. SO I was in the Plaza 2-3 minutes after the final shot?
Timing this is very difficult for me. It could have been 1 minute, but not
more than 5. I'm guessing it took 2-3 minutes for me to go hear the
radios, get back to my mom and leave. I know it was fast.
13. Mom died in 1996. In fact it was her death that made me start thinking
I needed to contact someone at the Museum. The thing she talked about most
was the guy who wouldn't let us down. Geez it's hard for me to remember
what she wore. I know I tried to get her up on the pedestal, but it was
high. At one point when we were waiting, we both sat on the stone fence.
But that was long before anything happened. I want to say that's mom next
to me, but I can't be sure. Logically, it would have been odd for her to
lose all dignity and climb up there. But it looks like her coat in Dorman.
the woman could definitely be my mom. It looks like I hug her as the limo
turns onto Elm. The top of the pedestal is slanted, very slightly from the
edge to the center. That made it a little tricky not to fall off. I was
probably trying to steady whoever is up there. That's the best I can do
unless I find a family picture of her in that coat. I'll tell my sisters
to go through some family albums.
14. No friends there. Only me and mom.
15. After viewing a number of oral histories, I found 2-3 that were near
my age. The museum graciously let me hold a mini "private symposium,"
focusing on their emotional journey. Neither one of them were witnesses in
Dallas that day, but they had emotional reactions similar to mine.
15. I have not followed anything in 40 years. The first few years when all
kinds of theories were coming out, I paid attention. But not since. I was
shocked to find this group. Let me interject something I know a lot about.
Many, many witnesses developed a completely irrational yet paralyzing fear
that "if I talk, someone will come get me and kill me." Laugh if you want,
but go look at the oral histories at the Sixth Floor Museum. I've watched
grown people weeping as they try to retell their experience. I've seen
professionals choke through tears. Many people did not come forward for 30
- 45 years out of a fear that someone would come get them and kill them.
My first attempt to talk to the historians at the museum was in 1988(?),
but I left. I was still afraid. I KNOW. NOT RATIONAL. Then I finally did
an oral history in 1999, and another in March this year.
I wish I had an exact schematic drawing of my end of the reflecting pool
to the corner curb. I could point out exactly where I was and when. Trying
to explain it with words doesn't produce a clear picture.
Did I answer all the questions. Parts are clear and some parts are fuzzy.
I can only do my best. That's how memory works, well my does. Clear
pieces/fuzzy pieces. Sometimes a picture clears up a fuzzy memory. I
thought trees blocked my view for that second I couldn't see the car, but
when I went back in March, I climbed up on the pedestal and discovered it
was the column, not a tree, that blocked my view. Things like that show
you how memory tries to fill in the blanks.
Toni
.... and she wrote....
I forgot the first question. My family did not hunt, but dad always had a
gun. He taught me how to fire a rifle. I was pretty good, but it was just
for fun out in the pasture. When I looked out the sniper's window last
year (for the first time), the shot looked amazingly easy to me.
Perspective is everything.
.... and she posted....
For those interested. FACT: The top of the pedestal has a slight rise from
the edges to the center of it. The top is shaped like the little roof of a
house, with a peak down the middle running N. to S. It's only a 2-3 "
rise, but it's just enough to feel unstable when you're up there. It's not
flat on top. Your feet are standing at an slight angle. And as I said, it
was a long way down. Look at my height compared to the height of the
block. I say this because yes, usually people move around, but it wasn't
easy keeping your balance up there especially when you turned. I'm
GUESSING that we stayed pretty much still, until we turned toward Elm.
Then you see me kind of holding and steadying the other person when we
turned and looked at Elm. We had to go from 2 feet standing toes
down/heels up on the same side of the slant watching Houston, to one foot
on either side of the slant. The turn was tricky. That's why it doesn't
help to identify the woman as my mom "because I was holding her." IT COULD
BE MY MOM. I'm just saying I would have 'steadied' anyone I was up there
with.
.... and....
Just a thought. Someone might ask Euins what color my underwear was,
because if he crouched where he indicated, he could of seen straight up my
skirt. Just a thought.
.... and....
When I finally talked to the Museum, I said I'd never seen a picture that
showed where I was. They sent me to Bob Porter's office. He asked what I
was wearing. I knew I had the blue ski jacket with me, but I "reasoned"
that I probably had on jeans. Then he pulled up Mark Bell's film and
stopped it on me. I literally sank to the floor, speechless. Like being
hit by a truck. There I was. Bob leaned down and said, "You had on a black
skirt, " and I instantly remembered mom picked me up at school! THAT's why
I had on a skirt. We had to wear skirts to school back then. That's the
ONLY reason I'd be wearing one. Bob also did my first oral history a few
months later.
.... On the day when Toni provided her detailed answers quoted above to my original
set of questions, I then utilized the films by Dorman, Bell, Hughes, and another film
to photo-grammatically determine her precise location on one of my DP maps,
+ then, after considering her detailed answers, I wrote her and publicly posted the
following 2-days later on 4-23-12....
(QUOTE)
Good Day Toni .... Sorry to hear about your Mom passing on. Please
accept my very sincere condolences.
Along with your observations, I was truly hoping to also learn the details that
your Mom recalled with respect to the assassination. Can you please detail
what she shared about 11-22-63? Was she wearing a longish, light colored
coat (possibly beige) that day?; in clear Zapruder frames there looks to be
someone sitting atop the North Reflecting Pool’s east side wall, about 5’ to 6’
south of the pedesta l you stood on, facing towards you.
Recently also lost a Loved One who was a Best Friend, and have a Longtime
Friend who was a 3x-un-defeated football fellow-Champion Teammate
fellow-linebacker who is “knockin’ on heaven’s door” since his being
stricken with pancreas, liver, and spinal tumors.
Thank You, very much, for providing your additional details for us from
my questions, and for your emails and sharing your photos and video. I am
looking forward to speaking with you.
All of your observations are truly interesting, and, several of them are very,
very interesting....
~ ~ ~ ~ E-e-e-especially interesting is your primary observation
that you could NOT see President Kennedy when the first shot that you
remembered hearing was fired….
I simply must ask again, so everything is crystal clear…. Are you 100%
certain that JFK had already gone out of your view when you heard the
first shot? …. If not, how many second(s) had he already been out of your
view?)
….That key time stamping detail of JFK being out of your view when a shot
was fired led me to photo-grammatically locate your exact location, as
determined by the multiple, intersecting lines-of-sight for you as seen in the
Bell, Hughes, and Dorman films, and I determined your precise location to be
here, shown on my scaled, accurate Dealey Plaza map….
http://imageshack.us/a/img542/718/4zl.gif
(if that map appears small when you initially open it, simply click on it
to enlarge)
(: An aside…. On that map I have had the scaled presidential limousine placed
at that specific location for many, many years, and, the location of President
Kennedy’s head within that limo is exactly even with you, Toni
Very interestingly, and exactly as your detailed assassination
observations stated, President Kennedy could have first gone out of your view
when the pyracantha tree foliage a few feet north of the large, tall cement
column-monument first started to block JFK from your view at Z-174 to 175
(labeled “TGt-1” for your line-of-sight to JFK on my DP map) (the pyracantha
tree foliage round outline is colored in green and sized on my scaled, accurate
DP map exactly as it was seen in photos and films on 11-22-63)
If the pyracantha tree did not first block your view of JFK, then, exactly as you
stated, the tall column-monument’s north, pointed side definitely would have
first started to block President Kennedy from your view at Z-180 to 181
(labeled “TGc-1” for your line-of-sight on my DP map)
Then, as you stated, President Kennedy would have been visible to you, again,
just past the south side of the tall column-monument, starting at Z-217 to 218
(labeled “TGc-2” for your line-of-sight on my DP map) (employing the standard
AVERAGE running time of the Zapruder film of 18.3 frames-per-second, JFK would
have been out of your view for exactly 2.3 seconds (if the pyracantha tree first
blocked him), to 2.0 seconds (if the column-monument first blocked him)
I will also say that your timing of the first shot that you heard happening between
Z-174 and 218 is right in line with many of the close witnesses and close
weapons-experienced witnesses who stated that JFK, first, started waving (which
he starts at Z-170 to 171), and after he first started waving, THEN the first shot
happened and he immediately, dramatically, physically quickly reacted to it
impacting him ultra-rapidly snapping his head 87-degrees at Z-203 to 206, shaking
his head, raising his arms/hands, and then facing back towards and leaning
towards his wife.
Here’s something I discovered today that am sure that you will appreciate, and
that since you have not mentioned it, you have not noticed, nor has anyone pointed
out for you…. until now….
Being very familiar with the plaza, its perspectives, measurements, etc, I had a
sense about something, so, I drew the line-of-sight on my scaled, accurate
DP map from Mr. Zapruder’s camera lens, to you….
. . . . I am absolutely certain that you are in the Zapruder film !!!!
Including on my accurate map Mr. Zapruder’s camera line-of-sight to your location
led me to closely examining several of the clear Zapruder frames between 177
and about 216.
There surely is, what positively appears to be to me, your blue-coated arm
+ hand that is lowered and still away from your side (since the torso, vertical side
of your coat is not seen).
Your arm/hand can just be seen in the Zapruder film along the south side of the
column-monument (along the right side of the column-monument as seen in the
Zap film). I can provide the Zap frames for you, if you want.
As you stated when you continued to strive to see JFK, this was probably your
arm and hand because you had turned and were then facing the grassy kno!!
(and/or, striving to keep safely balanced atop your pedestal, as you stated)
Your arm/hand also looks like they changed positions a bit during during those 2.1
seconds between Z-177 to 216.
Your arm/hand also appear at what would have been the correct height while you were,
as you stated, still standing up elevated on “Glover’s pedestal” during the shots
(: Yes…. I now think we researchers should label that pedestal for you!
Also, I have actually stood atop and videotaped from what is, now and forever, for me,
“Glover’s pedestal,” and I know that you could have seen over the North Peristyle’s
western-most cement (lower wall), and also westward you could have seen through
the open spaces underneath the 2 trees foliage, and that, as you stated earlier, you
could have seen President Kennedy at Z-313. (I have also just finished checking
photos and films captured from 11-22-63 and the days thereafter to confirm those
trees had enough viewing clearance under them, then) And just to make certain it is
asked…. The president’s head did explode simultaneously with the 2nd shot you heard?
Quick question…. after JFK first was hidden from your view after Z-174 to 181, and
then, the first shot that you remembered was fired, do you recall if you backed-up
a foot or two southward on your pedestal, or, did you stand un-moving? …. Do you
recall if the first shot you remembered hearing while JFK was out of your view made
your upper body/ arms jump some or a lot in startlement?
Can you please estimate exactly how many seconds were there between the
2 shots you heard?
(END QUOTE)
Dr. GLOVER seems like a very good woman, and has agreed to further one-to-one interviews.
Best Regards in Research,
++Don
Donald Roberdeau
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your considerations....
Homepage : President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence,
Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
Dealey Plaza Map : Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos,
Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img831.images...dated110110.gif
Visual Report : "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden
Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
Visual Report : Reality versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-In, Garbage-Out.... http://img248.images...ealityvscad.gif
Discovery : "Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film
Documented 2nd Headsnap:
West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll".... http://educationforu...?showtopic=2394
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FYI.... http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/apr/18/last-surviving-fbi-agent-at-jfk-autopsy-dies-in/
<QUOTE>
Last surviving FBI agent at JFK autopsy dies in Fort Myers
By STEPHANIE BORDEN
Posted April 18, 2012 at 8:26 p.m.
James Sibert
He was the last surviving FBI agent to attend the autopsy of President John F. Kennedy.
But, as family and friends say, James Sibert was much more than that. A husband, father and decorated World War II veteran, Sibert died April 6 in Fort Myers of complications following a hospital fall.
Sibert was 93, and a memorial service Saturday will remember his life. It starts at 10:30 a.m. and will be at Cypress Lake United Methodist Church, 8570 Cypress Lake Drive, Fort Myers.
"I do believe he will have a place in history," said his son Bob Sibert, a former FBI agent now working as a consultant for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in Washington, D.C.
A junior in high school when Kennedy was assassinated Nov. 22, 1963, Bob Sibert said he didn't realize the significance of his father's role in the autopsy at the Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Md., until later, "when dad began getting solicited by authors writing books about the assassination."
"There were a lot of people writing wild conspiracy stories," he explained. "He was rather guarded, and referred them to the FBI Press Office. But once he retired and was granted permission to share his observations, he was very concerned that they would not be spun or used to advance some theory he didn't believe to be true."
James Sibert was an Indianapolis native who had lived in the Fort Myers area since his 1972 retirement from the bureau, As a World War II B-24 bomber pilot and Squadron Commander flying 32 missions, he was awarded the Silver Star and the Distinguished Flying Cross.
He became an FBI agent and received notoriety because he attended JFK's autopsy.
Observations Sibert made during the autopsy included the his statement in many published interviews that he "didn't buy the single bullet theory," which was key to the Warren Commission's conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman at Dealey Plaza that fateful day.
"I've heard him say that," Bob Sibert said. "As an FBI agent, you're trained when you go to anything like this to observe and take detailed notes. The agents were not doctors. And at that time, the FBI had no jurisdiction in the assassination of a president. At the end, he was denying interviews. He said 'there's nothing left to say.'"
The second agent observing the autopsy that day was Francis O'Neill, who died in Boston in 2009 at age 85.
A group of his fellow retired FBI agents plans to attend Saturday's memorial service. Sibert was active in the Society of Former Special Agents of the FBI. Headquartered in Virginia, the local group's territory extends from Port Charlotte to Marco Island and attracts as many as 40 members.
Retired agent Paul Nolan of Fort Myers, who moved his family 29 times during his FBI career, met Sibert during a local meeting in the late 1990s.
"In the FBI world," he reports, "there is more of a family relationship because of the work we do. It's confidential, so you can't share details of your work around the dinner table at home. Even after retirement, agents still regard themselves as agents.
"When one of our members or spouses passed, he had a long written outline of the tasks that needed to be performed," Nolan said of James Sibert. "He'd visit with the families, help prepare insurance forms, visit with bankers and stockbrokers, and ensure that widows were protected" when approached by strangers offering to help with their financial issues.
Although Sibert's name is preserved in the FBI's report "Autopsy of Body of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy" and in countless books, articles, and blogs, he preferred that his legacy be that of a loving husband, father, grandfather, and great-grandfather, his son said.
Soloist Rob Liddle will sing the hymn "My Father's Chair" at Saturday's celebration of life memorial service, remembering how Sibert could be found at every 11 a.m. Sunday service in pew number 6, on the corner.
The retired FBI agent was "a true gentleman, humble, articulate, and always in a suit at church," Liddle says. "He wouldn't really talk about the Kennedy autopsy other than to say he was there."
Even though Sibert had suffered health problems recently, Liddle says, "he never complained. He cared more about what's going on with you than what's going on with him."
The week of his death, four retired veterans lined up in his Hope Hospice room to give him a final salute.
<END QUOTE>
Best Regards in Research,
++Don
Donald Roberdeau
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
For your considerations....
Homepage : President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Evidence,
Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding Researchers Discoveries and Considerations.... http://droberdeau.bl...ination_09.html
Dealey Plaza Map : Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations, Witnesses, Films & Photos,
Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories, Important information & Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://img831.images...dated110110.gif
Visual Report : "The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: while JFK was Still Hidden
Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' ".... http://img504.images...k1102308ms8.gif
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Fresh meat for JFK assassination hounds
There's only one certainty about historians of the Kennedy assassination: They're a contentious lot.
BY GLENN GARVIN
GGARVIN@MIAMIHERALD.COM
There's an old joke about economists — if you took every single one in the world and laid them all end-to-end, they still wouldn't reach a conclusion — that could also probably be told about historians of the Kennedy assassination. Their books are often fiercely contentious, festooned with bitter criticism of one another.
Brian Latell's book Castro's Secrets: The CIA And Cuba's Intelligence Machine will doubtless have its own legions of bitter critics and stalwart defenders. Already the book's thesis — that Fidel Castro knew in advance that Lee Harvey Oswald planned to take a shot at President Kennedy that day in Dallas — is stirring up arguments among old assassination hands.
"The notion of Castro being in any way connected to the assassination is preposterous on its face," snorts Vincent Bugliosi, the former California prosecutor who put mass murderer Charles Manson in jail and is the author of an encyclopedic 1.5-million-word book on the assassination called Reclaiming History.
"The notion that Castro would do something that would result in the blowing up of his own country — which is exactly what would have happened if anyone found out — is just crazy.... There's no evidence he knew what was on Oswald's mind. Oswald himself did not know what was on his mind."
Like Bugliosi, Edward Jay Epstein — author of the recent e-book The JFK Assassination Theories, as wells as three trailblazing works published between 1966 and 1978 — hasn't read Castro's Secrets yet. (It won't reach stores for another month.) But he thinks a Castro connection to Kennedy's death is not only plausible, but likely.
"There is no doubt that Castro knew about the CIA plans to assassinate him, and he warned the American government that he knew by telling a reporter about it," Epstein said. "If a Mafia leader did that same thing, and the next day the other guy was found dead, that would be a prima facie case and he'd be the lead suspect."
Gus Russo, author of two books of his own (Live By The Sword and Brothers In Arms) that tie the assassination to Castro, using some of the same evidence that Latell does, agrees: "Most people do agree that Kennedy was trying to murder Castro. So why isn't Castro the No. 1 suspect?"
Miami Beach writer Gerald Posner is author of the enormously popular and influential Case Closed, which debunked some of the most popular assassination conspiracy theories. Nonetheless, Posner thinks Latell may be onto something. "If there's an area of the case where something new still could emerge, it's the part connected to the CIA and Castro," he said. "There's always a possibility that the Cubans knew what Oswald was going to do because of his visit to their embassy in Mexico City. And if the Cubans knew, so did the Soviets and so did the CIA, because they were all monitoring each other like crazy. You could have a whole new ballgame."
But any scenario involving Castro even indirectly in the assassination is unlikely, argues Peter Kornbluh, director of the Cuba Documentation Project at the National Security Archive and author of several books about U.S.-Cuba relations in the Kennedy era. "In the last several months of his life, Kennedy sent several peace feelers to Castro," Kornbluh said. "Kennedy even had a guy in Cuba [French journalist Jean Daniel] talking to Castro about rapprochement at the moment of the assassination. Why would Castro want to do anything that encourage the murder of the first American president willing to talk about coexistence with the Cuban revolution?"
Historian Max Holland, however, isn't impressed with that argument. "Yes, Kennedy was quietly talking peace, but at the same time there's no doubt there was a plan for engineering a military coup in Cuba, as a part of which Castro would be killed," said the author of The Kennedy Assassination Tapes. "These two things may seem contradictory, but I'm not sure they really were. I think the idea was to make Castro lower his guard, make him think we weren't after him, and then...well, get him."
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The Kennedy assassination: Did Castro know in advance?
A new book by former CIA analyst Brian Latell details evidence that Cuban intelligence knew beforehand of JFK's assassination
BY GLENN GARVIN
GGARVIN@MIAMIHERALD.COM
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On Jan. 1, 1962, more than a year before the assassination, Cubans held a mock funeral for a still very-much-alive JFK, a reflection of tensions between Cuba and the United States.
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A Miami Herald story two months before the assassination quotes Fidel Castro alluding to America's efforts to kill him and warning of consequences. Miami Herald archive
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After Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested but before details about him were published, Cuban intelligence offcials knew a great deal about him, wiretaps showed. Tom Dillard / © Tom Dillard/Dallas Morning New
THE AUTHOR
Brian Latell began tracking Cuba for the CIA in the 1960s. Today he does his Cuba watching from the University of Miami.
The orders surprised the Cuban intelligence officer. Most days in his tiny communications hut, just outside Fidel Castro's isolated family compound on the west side of Havana, were spent huddled over his radio gear, trolling the island's airwaves for the rapid-fire bursts of signals that were the trademark of CIA spies and saboteurs, pinpointing their location for security forces.
But now his assignment had abruptly been changed, at least for the day. "The leadership wants you to stop your CIA work, all your CIA work," his boss said. Instead, the officer was told he had a new target: Texas, "any little detail small detail from Texas." And about three hours later, shortly after mid-day on Nov. 22, 1963, the shocked intelligence officer had something to report that was much more than a small detail: the assassination in Dallas of President John F. Kennedy.
"Castro knew," the intelligence officer would tell a CIA debriefer years later, after defecting to the United States. "They knew Kennedy would be killed."
The defector's tale is reported in a book to be published next month by retired CIA analyst Brian Latell, the agency's former national intelligence officer for Latin America and now a senior research associate at the University of Miami's Institute for Cuban and Cuban American Studies.
The book, Castro's Secrets: The CIA and Cuba's Intelligence Machine, is the first substantial study of Fidel Castro's intelligence operations. Based on interviews with Cuban spies who defected as well as declassified documents from the CIA, the FBI, the Pentagon and other national security organs, it contains a good deal of material likely to stir controversy, including accounts of how Castro's spies have carried out political murders, penetrated the U.S. government and generally outwitted their American counterparts.
But nothing is more potentially explosive than Latell's claim that Kennedy's assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, warned Cuban intelligence officers in advance of his plans to kill the president. Latell writes that Oswald, a belligerent Castro supporter, grew frustrated when officials at the Cuban embassy in Mexico City refused to give him a visa to travel to the island, and promised to shoot Kennedy to prove his revolutionary credentials.
"Fidel knew of Oswald's intentions — and did nothing to deter the act," the book declares.
Even so, Latell maintains his work is sober and even reserved. "Everything I write is backed up by documents and on-the-record sources," he told The Miami Herald. "There's virtually no speculation. I don't say Fidel Castro ordered the assassination, I don't say Oswald was under his control. He might have been, but I don't argue that, because I was unable to find any evidence for that.
"But did Fidel want Kennedy dead? Yes. He feared Kennedy. And he knew Kennedy was gunning for him. In Fidel's mind, he was probably acting in self-defense."
If Latell's prose is sober, the events it describes are anything but. Castro's Secrets, to be published by Palgrave Macmillan, explores a confusing and deadly chapter of the 1960s when the Cold War nearly turned hot. The United States, fearful that Castro's revolution would provide the Soviet Union a toehold in the Western Hemisphere, backed a bloody invasion of anti-communist Cuban exiles at the Bay of Pigs. The Soviets put nuclear missiles in Cuba, which left the entire world teetering on the brink of war for two weeks.
And even when everyone took a step back, U.S.-supported raids and sabotage continued in Cuba. The CIA hatched several plots to kill Castro, using everything from poisoned cigars to exploding sea shells, and Castro offered chilling hints that he might be planning to respond in kind. "U.S. leaders should think that if they are aiding terrorist plans to eliminate Cuban leaders, they themselves will not be safe," he told an American reporter in September 1963.
Against that backdrop, suspicions of a Cuban connection to the Kennedy assassination were only natural. And they were heightened by the erratic activities of Oswald, a lifelong Marxist who left the Marine Corps in 1959 to defect to the Soviet Union, where he attempted to renounce his U.S. citizenship and married a Russian woman whose uncle was a colonel in military intelligence.
By 1963, Oswald had returned to the United States. But just a few months before Kennedy's death, at a time when tensions between Havana and Washington simmered only slightly below war temperature, Oswald's outspoken public support for Cuba — he had staged several one-man demonstrations and even scuffled with members of an anti-Castro group — had come to the attention of the news media in New Orleans, where he was living at the time.
And he had also attracted the attention of the CIA, which had the Mexico City embassies of Cuba and the Soviet Union under tight surveillance. The agency spotted Oswald at both embassies on multiple visits between Sept. 27 and Oct. 2, 1963, as he sought visas to travel to either country.
Those visits — particularly to the Cuban embassy, where Oswald took a scrapbook of newspaper clippings and other documents to demonstrate his support for Castro's revolution in hopes of winning a visa — were among evidence considered by three major federal investigations of the Kennedy assassination in the 1960s and '70s. All ultimately rejected (though sometimes only after fierce internal debate) the idea of any causal link between Castro and the crime.
But Latell's book makes some new revelations and adds detail to older ones in making the argument that Castro played at least an indirect role in the assassination. Among them:
• The disclosure by Florentino Aspillaga, the most valuable defector ever to flee Cuba's DGI intelligence service, that the DGI had asked him to drop radio surveillance of the CIA hours before the assassination to focus on signals from Texas. Aspillaga told his CIA debriefers about the change in surveillance when he defected in 1987, but that information remained secret until he repeated the story to Latell in interviews for the book.
• The report of a deeply embedded FBI spy who worked as top-level international courier for the Communist Party USA that Castro, during a meeting five months after the assassination, admitted that Oswald had threatened Kennedy's life during his visit to the Cuban embassy in Mexico.
The spy, Jack Childs, who was awarded a posthumous Presidential Medal of Freedom for his quarter-century of spying against Moscow and Havana, reported to the FBI that Castro told him Oswald "stormed into the embassy, demanded the visa, and when it was refused to him headed out saying, "I'm going to kill Kennedy for this!"
• The CIA's now-declassified report of its 1964 debriefing of another DGI defector, Vladimir Rodriguez Ladera. At the time, Castro was claiming that Oswald's visit to the Cuban embassy in Mexico had been a minor matter that didn't come to the attention of senior officials in Havana. "We never in our life heard of him," Castro said in a speech strongly denying that the Cuban government knew anything about Oswald beyond what was in the newspapers.
But Rodriguez Ladera, the defector, told the CIA that Castro was surely lying, because the news of Oswald's arrest set DGI headquarters instantly abuzz. "It caused much comment concerning the fact that Oswald had been in the Cuban embassy," he said. And because the embassy in Mexico City was a major staging ground for Cuban espionage against the United States as well as the rest of Latin America, Rodriguez Ladera added, even the most routine matters there were regularly reported directly to Castro.
• CIA wiretaps and microphones honeycombing the Cuban embassy in Mexico City captured conversations between DGI officers that showed a surprisingly detailed knowledge of Oswald's background in the first hours after the assassination, when relatively little of it had been reported in the press.
At the center of the chatter was Luisa Calderon, a pretty, English-speaking DGI officer in her early 20s who had lived in Miami with her parents throughout the 1950s. Barely four hours after the assassination, she got a phone call from a man, also apparently a DGI spy. He asked if she knew what had happened in Dallas. "Yes, of course," she answered. "I knew of it almost before Kennedy did." Her caller continued to chatter away, noting correctly that Oswald spoke Russian and had written to Castro offering to join his fighting forces in 1959. Latell believes the speed and depth of those comments show that the DGI maintained a file on Oswald and was well acquainted with him.
The wiretaps also demonstrate something about the way Cuban intelligence officers regarded Kennedy. "Wonderful! What good news!" Calderon said to another caller who mentioned the assassination, before breaking into laughter at the news — untrue, as it would turn out — that Kennedy's wife and brother had also been wounded. "He was a family man, yes, but also a degenerate aggressor," Calderon added, to which her caller exclaimed, "Three shots in the face!" Replied Calderon: "Perfect!"
• In what may be the most intriguing element of his book, Latell concludes that Rolando Cubela, a high-ranking Cuban official recruited by the CIA to assassinate Castro — an act the agency hoped would trigger a military rebellion — was actually a double agent, feeding every detail of U.S. plans back to Havana. Castro's knowledge that his own murder was being plotted by the highest level of the American government, Latell writes, is what led to his "conspiracy of silence" about Oswald's assassination plan.
"Fidel Castro was running the most important double agent operation in the history of intelligence," Latell said. "He wanted definitive proof that Kennedy was trying to kill him. And he got it." In a brutal irony, the CIA was delivering to Cubela a poison-tipped ballpoint pen with which to kill Castro at the very moment that Oswald was shooting Kennedy.
Two major pieces of evidence implicate Cubela as a double agent, Latell writes. One was a recently declassified lie-detector test administered to Cubela's best friend and frequent co-conspirator in CIA adventures, the late Coral Gables jeweler Carlos Tepedino. Tepedino, during a confrontational interrogation by CIA handlers in 1965, confessed that Cubela was still "cooperating'' with Cuban intelligence and had never tried to organize a military revolt against Castro.
Tepedino's story was more than confirmed, Latell writes, by conversations with another DGI defector: Miguel Mir, a high official in Castro's personal security office from 1986 to 1992. Mir said he had read files identifying Cubela as a double agent under DGI control.
Mercurial and enigmatic, Cubela was one of the military heroes of the Cuban revolution, the man who actually captured the presidential palace in Havana. But soon afterward he began talking loosely about his dissatisfaction with Castro's political direction. By 1961 he was meeting clandestinely with the CIA; by 1962 he was a trusted recruit, regarded by the CIA as its best agent inside Castro's government.
But, Latell writes, Cubela's recruitment by the CIA practically dripped with question marks right from the beginning. He seemed to have unlimited time and money to travel, meeting with CIA officers on four different continents. He refused to take a lie-detector test — a standard procedure for new recruits — or report any significant information about what was going on inside Castro's government. Instead, he constantly proposed "violent action," as one of his CIA handlers noted in a report, including the assassination of Castro.
That did not exactly clash with the CIA's own plans. By early 1963, the agency was under serious pressure from the Kennedy administration to "come up with some ideas to kill Castro," as one CIA official would later testify in a congressional hearing. In October, the agency began circulating a document to the top national security officials in Washington stamped TOP SECRET-SENSITIVE with the title A Contingency Plan for a Coup in Cuba. It said Cubela and his military co-conspirators would "neutralize" Castro and "the top echelon of the Cuban leadership," then proclaim a new pro-American government that would — if necessary — ask for U.S. military assistance to put down any resistance. "Nothing in the plan allowed for Fidel's capture alive," Latell writes.
When Cubela heard of the plan and his role in it, he was enthusiastic. But he insisted on a meeting with Robert Kennedy, the president's brother and point-man on Cuba, for assurances that the plan had presidential blessing. Desmond FitzGerald, a top CIA official and close friend of Robert Kennedy, flew to Paris to meet Cubela and reassure him. The CIA also got President Kennedy to insert a chunk of extraordinarily militant rhetoric — a virtual endorsement of a military coup — into a speech on Cuba delivered in Miami Beach just four days before the president's death.
The CIA called off its plan for the Cuban coup after Kennedy's assassination, and new President Lyndon Johnson rapidly de-escalated the covert U.S. war against Castro — though Cubela, for another two years, continued pressing both the CIA and militant Cuban exile groups in Miami for help in killing Castro. Most of the CIA officials who oversaw Cubela's involvement with their agency insisted until they died that he had genuinely turned against Castro.
Cubela was arrested in Havana in 1966 and tried for plotting to murder Castro. But during his trial, prosecutors never mentioned the CIA or the poison-tipped pen, accusing him instead of collaborating with Miami exiles. He was convicted and sentenced to death — but the sentence was commuted to a prison term at Castro's request. He served 12 years as the prison's doctor, living in comfortable quarters, and was often seen outside, driving the streets. Nearly 80, Cubela reportedly divides his time between Spain and South Florida. Attempts by the Miami Herald to reach him through family members were unsuccessful.
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