David Williams

I remember meeting Aubrey, he was a nice man........deepest sympathy to his family. R.I.P. Aubrey

I see something across the bridge of the nose bernice Dave

Yes Duncan i can see what looks like two figures in them windows, if thats the case...........two people up there means a conspiracy doesnt it

Nice work Chris

I believe this was discussed at length on the Lancer Forum. Unfortunately the search function over there returns an internal server error. I believe that there is an affidavit on file somewhere from the officer who was called out of bed to come over and administer the test, but I can't remember his name. Ian Griggs might know. Steve Thomas Steve, His name was RD Lewis. The full story, including the FBI report (NO affidavit exists) is contained in the link I provided. You will need to do a search, but the search does work. The time-frame all this happened in barely makes it possible that any test was administered. And if it was, that same time-frame would mean a number of short-cuts were taken, making the test meaningless. In any case, they all agreed he passed. What they fail to mention is that he described an entirely different bag. They wanted to create an impression he passed on identifying the bag they had. Thanks Greg and Steve

I read somewhere that Frazier was given a lie detector test, during the weekend of the assassination, by the DPD. Where can i obtain a copy of this? Dave

Bill i have found photos of the following, Bonnie Ray, Charles Givens, Billy Lovelady, William Shelly, Truly, Harold Norman,Danny Acre, Wesley Frazier and Otis Williams ( a book keeper).

I agree that Truly certainly went out of his way to make Dougherty look slow in his testimony before the WC

I find this thread very interesting and informative

Bill sorry crossed wires, Dougherty is also dead. Dave

I just recieved a pm from Gary Mack, who informs me that Bonnie Ray, Harold Norman and Junior Jarman are all deceased. Thanks Gary

Duke are Bonnie Ray and Junior Jarman dead or alive?

In later years he acted as though he knew something he could not reveal, but isn't there a possibility that his secret knowledge was nothing more than this: Jack Daugherty knew that Lee Oswald was innocent, because if Oswald WAS guilty, Jack would have had to see him running down the stairs. Ray, where did you get this information about Dougherty from?

Happy Independence day to all our American members

I'm trying to obtain photos of all the male employees of the TSBD, when LHO worked there. Any help greatly appreciated. Dave

Thanks Bill and Denise

Does anybody know where i can get hold of the articles by Willam Weston

That's really a key question, David.Bonnie Ray testified that he'd only been upstairs a couple of minutes and, as I recall, said that he'd been up there as late as 12:20. The WC estimated his being there "as late as" maybe 12:10, but it presumed that he'd gone upstairs immediately after washing up for lunch. In a sense, that's true, but the reality is that, by the time he'd emerged from the wash room, all of his compatriots had already eaten their lunches and gone outside. If you piece together all of their testimonies, you'll find that Bonnie Ray didn't even come out of the wash room until about 12:10. (Use your imagination.) BRW and Junior Jarman both testified that BRW had come to the fifth floor after Jarman and Hank Norman had gotten there (Norman said he "wasn't sure" who was there first). Hank and Junior were outside in front of the building - and were seen there by Roy Truly there, along with Slim Givens, who'd left the group and walked a block east to meet up with a friend of his who ran the parking lot at Elm & Record, his departure also noticed by Truly, as was Hank and Junior's. Hank and Junior testified that they left the front of the building when they "got word" that the motorcade was on Main Street, presumably either by hearing over a police radio, or catching the "buzz of the crowd" after someone else had heard it over the radio. That was some time between 12:22 and 12:26, probably more toward the latter time, which was the first time "Main Street" was mentioned on the parade channel (DPD2). They walked around the back of the building via Houston Street, saw the east elevator not there, went around and rode the west elevator up to the fifth floor. This took from one to two minutes, putting them onto the fifth floor at some time after 12:25, possibly as late as 12:28. Bonnie Ray Williams was still on the sixth floor at that time. That being true, and the movements people on the street had noticed - Rowland, Euins, et al. - likewise being valid, based on where BRW said he was sitting while eating lunch, there is no way that he could not have noticed the activity. It is likewise unlikely, given his proximity, that he woudn't have noticed the activity of even one man, even if that man was trying to be surreptitious. It is also unlikely that anybody who was on the sixth floor would not notice Williams. So, if Oswald was on the sixth floor and Williams was on the sixth floor, and each knew the other was there: why did Oswald let him go (might Williams not have raised the alarm?); why did Williams not raise the alarm; and once Oswald was dead, why didn't Williams simply say that he'd seen Oswald with the gun on six? The answers to those are that BRW didn't see Oswald on six; that someone had to have watched over him to ensure that he and his pals on five didn't raise the alarm; and that BRW still feared whoever it was that he had seen on six. Truly characterized the behavior of all three men as being unusual in the weeks afterward, with BRW being the most "superstitious" of them. No great surprise in that, is there? Good summary Duke

Thank You John, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Baker describe Oswald differently?

Greg im new to this forum, i was wondering what do you base your idea that Baker never saw Oswald on the second floor, by the way very informative post

David this what Arnold Rowland told the WC Mr. Rowland. shots were actually fired from, I did not see that, there was someone hanging out that window at that time. Representative Ford. At what time was that? Mr. Rowland. At the time I saw the man in the other window, I saw this man hanging out the window first. It was a colored man, I think. Representative Ford. Is this the same window where you saw the man standing with the rifle? Mr. Rowland. No; this was the one on the east end of the building, the one that they said the shots were fired from. Representative Ford. I am not clear on this now. The window that you saw the man that you describe was on what end of the building? Mr. Rowland. The west, southwest corner. Representative Ford. And the man you saw hanging out from the window was at what corner? Mr. Rowland. The east, southeast corner. Representative Ford. Southeast corner. On the same floor? Mr. Rowland. On the same floor. Representative Ford. When did you notice him? Mr. Rowland. This was before I noticed the other man with the rifle. Representative Ford. I see. This was before you saw the man in the window with the rifle? Mr. Rowland. Yes. My wife and I were both looking and making remarks that the people were hanging out the windows I think the majority of them were colored people, some of them were hanging out the windows to their waist, such as this. We made several remarks to this fact, and then she started watching the colored boy, and I continued to look, and then I saw the man with the rifle.

Sorry John i got the whole thing wrong, oops

In the Altgens photo it is clear JFK as been hit, what ive never noticed is the tree is in the way

I have been studying the photo of the DCM with a walkie talkie, and i have come to the conclusion, that the walkie talkie is an optical illusion. have a look and tell me what you think, Thanks David

Have Duran and Seymours testimony before the HSCA been released yet?