Jerry Logan

OK! Thanks Chris - now I see what you mean. That's interesting. Best to you, Jerry

Thanks Chris. I guess that's what has me puzzled. I don't see anything in the paper to paper comparison that can't be accounted for by losses in the reproduction process. And I really don't see anything in the SF Chronicle that's not in Thompson/Corbis - except for a tiny circle_ish object that's a defect or contamination on the printing medium. What I see in your circled area looks all the same to me - can you be more specific?

Chris, I didn't mean the Pennsylvania photo. I was unclear - I'm asking what you see in the SF Chronicle photo that you don't see in Thompson/Corbis. Best to you, Jerry

Hello Chris! I'm puzzled. Exactly what detail do you see in the newspaper print that is not present in the Thompson/Corbis images? Best to you, Jerry

Thanks Dawn, it's good to hear from an actual Texas lawyer. Although there are some that say Austin isn't really a part of Texas :>) Best to you, Jerry

No, I did not. I only removed his original words. It just highlights the fact that he is not willing to have his opinions questioned by the experts on this forum. It is interesting that Gary Mack, the gatekeeper of truth concerning the JFK assassination, was the one who complained to the email group of my posting Dale Myers' account. Of course, he is another one who is scared to engage in debate on this forum (even though he is a member). John, Just for my information, can you tell us exactly what email group Gary alerted? Best to you, Jerry

John, Myers has some control over his words via copyright protection though I think fair use would prevail - in any case he has absolutely no legal power to preclude discussing his ideas. Ironic, since Pat has suggested an idea that extends Myers thoughts - but maybe that's the problem. Myers wouldn't like it if someone showed a simpler and more direct route to his convoluted conclusions. Best to you, Jerry

Pat, You've definitely identified a weak spot, but it's not an obvious slam dunk. As I wrote, there are two two parts- 160 v. 175 and the sync between the last McLain frame in Hughes and the Zapruder frames. Thomas thinks your Z150 is way off, in fact Myers puts it at Z150. Thomas wants to put the sync way earlier, perhaps (and this is just a guess on my part) all the way into the 132, 133 gap. FWIW, I think you're on the right track. McLain has to traverse 174 feet to get to the right spot. He's traveling 14.7 mph as he rounds the Main/Houston turn. How long is it reasonably going to take him to travel the 174 feet? Work back to see what Z frame that implies for the Hughes/Zapruder sync issue. Maybe it implies something ridiculous or impossible, maybe it doesn't. We've got to run the numbers and look at the photos. Best to you, Jerry Edit: Visual syncing is right up the alley of some of the best photo people around, Chris Davidson, Martin Hinrichs, Robin Unger and yes, even Craig - I bet we could do a bang up job without going epipolar - are you up for it?

Pat, Thomas puts the first shot at Z175, not 160. Also, it's not so clear that the last Hughes frame = Z160. Best to you, Jerry

Chris, It doesn't look bad - but, if you tried to pass it off as an 18 fps movie, the limo would be passing the background objects at around 21 mpg. Best, Jerry

Thanks Jack, Yes, I brought up a similar thought in this topic a little while ago: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16374&view=findpost&p=201602 You probably just missed it. Jerry has pointed out that the clapping speed of Apron Man and his friend appear to be quite rapid. He wanted a larger view of them. I am waiting to hear what his thoughts are. chris Jeez Chris - I don't know. I can get myself to clap that quickly but it's not very natural. And the action on Houston street looks very odd. Maybe the speed of the passing cars on Houston or a motorcycle? What are your thoughts? Best, Jerry Thanks for the stabilization! If Jack and I agree you know it's got to be true. Nice work. Jerry, For your friend. The gentleman on Houston St. Back and forth loop. Slower than 18FPS for easier viewing. John nailed it, I believe. I have an idea about the blurred frames in this sequence, in relation to the speed question, let me see how it looks, then I'll post that also. chris http://98.155.4.83:8400/4ADAE/PAPER.gif Chris, your talent with videos never ceases to amaze me. A paper and even a shadow from the paper in the right place. I think John and you've got it! Actually Herbert and I aren't .... er,close..... but I thought he might have had something. My very best and thanks to both of you, Jerry

Thanks John, Good observations. By motorcycle or car I meant the in-frame cars passing on Houston street just barely visible through the Houston bystanders. (Not the limo/cycle visible at the bottom of the adjacent frame). But never mind, I think you're probably right about what's in-frame. Although, it would be extremely interesting if that were a motorcycle. Best to you, Jerry

Thanks Jack, Yes, I brought up a similar thought in this topic a little while ago: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16374&view=findpost&p=201602 You probably just missed it. Jerry has pointed out that the clapping speed of Apron Man and his friend appear to be quite rapid. He wanted a larger view of them. I am waiting to hear what his thoughts are. chris Jeez Chris - I don't know. I can get myself to clap that quickly but it's not very natural. And the action on Houston street looks very odd. Maybe the speed of the passing cars on Houston or a motorcycle? What are your thoughts? Best, Jerry Thanks for the stabilization! If Jack and I agree you know it's got to be true. Nice work.

Chris, Many thanks. Whichever and whenever is easiest for you - but I do find your recent version sharper than MPI. Here's the guy Herbert noticed - Herbert has problems with what appears to be the man's right arm. Best, Jerry

Chris, I'm still pondering! Craig is surely right about the change in panning angles and the apparent motion of the limousine and motorcycles relative to inter-frame background objects. However, I'm still puzzled by the clapping - maybe AMC was just a fast clapper...or.....? Is there any chance for an enlarged stabilized view? Don't bother if you're working on something more interesting - it's just kind of a personal question for me at this point. Best to you, Jerry Also, Herbert Blenner noticed what he thought was a speed anomaly involving the arm of the man directly behind AMC on Houston Street 223, 224, 225. Do you have any thoughts on that?