Todd W. Vaughan

There is NO WAY that Holt is one of the tramps. Jack Jack, I had a change of heart. I agree with you about Hunt being the little tramp. The tramp resembles Hunt more than Chauncey Holt -- I was trying to go by size. But Hunt could have said he was taller than he was. Men do that sometimes in my experience. What also changed my mind was the picture I have linked below. The woman in the picture, looking shocked, with her hand to her mouth is Dorothy Hunt. I compared her picture in 1963 to that of her in 1972, which Spartacus has. I knew she was CIA and realized she was standing only a few feet from her husband E. Howard Hunt, the short tramp. What a wonderful day, out and about on Nov.22, 1963. What a sense of accomplishment they shared. Also on the far right of this photo, see Billy Lovelady talking to a policeman on the steps of the TSBD. This occurred about 2 hours after the shooting. The photo provided in the first post above, the man in the trench coat and fedora could also be Hunt. To me, he looks like he's about to go up the Grassy Knoll. Did he play 2 parts in the Assassination? Kathy C http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae268/edforum_photos/Public/3trampsandDorothyHunt-overrightcopinterviewingLovelady.png That's not Billy Lovelady. Lovelady appears in the film of LHO being brought into the DPD Homicide office at about 2:00 PM, shortly after his arrest and 1 hour 30 minutes after the assassination. Lovelady was there giving his statement regarding the assassination.

...ducking/reacting to the debris blown dorward from the headshot.

Bill, I saw the original of this letter at Bentley's house some years back but was not able to obtain a copy. Does someone have a copy of this letter? Todd Hi Todd, What does Bentley have to say about it? Is he still alive? And what about A.C. Sullivan? Thanks, BK Bill, Bentley is deceased. Bentley had a 3 ring binder full of DPD Crime Lab photos. The letter was kept in there. I don't recall his saying much about it. Does someone have a copy of the letter? Todd

Bill, I saw the original of this letter at Bentley's house some years back but was not able to obtain a copy. Does someone have a copy of this letter? Todd

I think that's a great idea. Mark Lane is also supposed to be in possession of Garrison files.

Jim, Just as an FYI, I have a set of the Boxley files. Boxley gave Mary Ferrell a set and my set is a copy she made for Larry Harris. Have you ever seen the Boxley set? Todd

Todd, Although you are technically right that Carrico did not specifically say that the wound was above the collar he did testify to its position by pointing to exactly where he saw the wound. Unlike when Malcolm Perry was asked to do exactly same thing, no-one commented where he (Perry) was pointing. You will find the conversation at the bottom of the reference I have included below. What makes Carrico's testimony different is that Alan Dulles comments exactly where he is pointing to. That is at the top of page 362. The beginning of this exchange is at the bottom of page 361. Note the words Dulles says: "And you put your hand right above where your tie is." I would have thought in anybody's language surely that makes it clear that the wound was above the collar!! http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh3/html/WC_Vol3_0185a.htm James James, Did you even read what I wrote in my article, because one wouldn't think so based on your reply? #1. As I make clear in part 1 of my article, when first asked where the wound was located Dr. Carrico responded Just about where your tie would be. Like Weisberg, however, you seem to act like Dr. Carrico never said that, never mentioning it in your reply, even though it is the central part of my argument. Certainly you dont believe that President Kennedy wore his tie above his collar, do you? That would be absurd. #2. As I also make clear in part 1 of my article, after Dulles says I see. And you put your hand right above where your tie is?, Dr. Carrico replies with Yes, , sir; just where the tie . Dulles cuts Dr. Carrico off at that point with his A little bit to the left. Had he not been cut off by Dulles, what do you think Dr. Carrico was going to continue saying, Just where the tie is above the collar.? Again, that would be absurd. #3. As I also make clear in part 4 of my article on August 2, 1977 when asked by Bob Porter, Public Relations Director of The Sixth Floor Museum, if the wound was above or below the collar Dr. Carrico replied with By, by the time I looked, Diane, the nurse had - had started taking his clothes off. Which - which was her job so I really didnt - dont know whether it was through the collar or not but it was certainly at the collar line. It was just about right there, just to the right of the trachea and just a, certainly where his collar should have been. Safe to safe to say the collar could not have been above the collar. I suggest you go back and read my article again. Todd

All, I offer up this 4pt article to counter the claim that Dr. Carrico said the throat wound was above the collar: http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2007/06/twists-turns-of-single-bullet-critics.html http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2007/12/twists-turns-of-single-bullet-critics.html http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2007/12/twists-turns-of-single-bullet-critics_26.html http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2007/07/twists-turns-of-single-bullet-critics.html Todd

Jack, I posted links to photos showing the rover in it's stowed position. Did you look at them? I posted inks to film of the rover being deployed. Did you watch it? Todd Houston is in Texas, NOT ON THE MOON. The photos have no proven provenance, and even could have been shot recently, since the text indicates they were discovered recently. Jack Jack, I ask again: I posted links to film of the rover being deployed ON THE MOON! Did you watch it? Todd Jack, I"ll ask yet again: I posted links to film of the rover being deployed ON THE MOON! Did you watch it? Todd

Jack, I posted links to photos showing the rover in it's stowed position. Did you look at them? I posted inks to film of the rover being deployed. Did you watch it? Todd Houston is in Texas, NOT ON THE MOON. The photos have no proven provenance, and even could have been shot recently, since the text indicates they were discovered recently. Jack Jack, I ask again: I posted links to film of the rover being deployed ON THE MOON! Did you watch it? Todd

Jack, I posted links to photos showing the rover in it's stowed position. Did you look at them? I posted inks to film of the rover being deployed. Did you watch it? Todd

There is gravity on the moon, about one-sixth that of earth. The astronots are seen jumping because they were suspended by wires and filmed in slo-mo in a studio on earth. No Apollo missions are likely to have reached the moon. No astronots were exposed to VanAllen radiation because they never left low earth orbit. Jack This, from the guy who once asked how the "astronots" could have carried the Lunar Rover down the steps of the LEM. Too funny. Todd is resorting to fiction again. Officially, the rovers were stowed outside the LMs, just to port of the descent ladder. But there are NO PHOTOS showing this. If I ever said anything about carrying a LM down the ladder, I may have been trying to make a joke...since no believable photos exist of the "stowed" LM. Jack No Jack, it is you who is resorting to fiction. You raised the question, in all seriousness, back on the Della Rosa forum several years back. Somewhere in my files I have a print out of it. I replied and explained it to you and you had nothing to say. And there are PLENTY of photos showing the rover stowed there and being deployed on the moon. Pitiful. OK. I call your bluff. SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON. I have examined EVERY photo alleged to be shot on the moon. There is not a single photo among the 5771 such as Todd alleges. Pitiful. Jack All, Jack claims, “There is not a single photo such as Todd alleges.” Jack has absolutely no clue as to what he is talking about. This site … http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html …contains numerous photos of the LRV being fit checked for stowage on the LEM, loading and stowage photos, and even a closeout photo of the LRV packed in the LM. This site… http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15.html …contains numerous video clips of film showing the LRV being deployed. There are no still photos of the deployment as it was a two man job. Todd There are no still photos of the deployment as it was a two man job. This is laughable! It is possible (and was done many times) for one of the actors to PAUSE and take a photo of the OTHER actor doing something. It was a one man job to lower the lanyard to unfold the LRV pallet. It was a one man job to take a photo of the LRV BEFORE AND AFTER LOWERING. The LRV had to be unfolded and assembled, and many parts added. There is no reason for this not being photographed. Both guys had cameras, and could pause at any time to shoot pictures, but did not shoot even one. Also they had a remote camera which could take photos of any action and include both actors in the scene. Todd is WAY OUT OF HIS ELEMENT HERE and ought to tuck his tail and run. Jack Jack, Your ignorant speculation that "both guys had cameras" at the time of the LRV deployment is what is laughable. This note from the Apollo 15 Lunar Surface Journal indicates that both guys did not have cameras at the time of the LRV deployment. Only Irwin had a camera and he could not use it during the deployment because it was a 2 man job. [After he gets the aft lanyard, Jim drapes it over the secondary strut and hops over to the MESA to get the CDR Hasselblad camera. As per LMP-4 and LMP-5, Jim is scheduled to get the CDR camera off the MESA after the Rover deployment but, apparently, wants to try to get some pictures of the deployment. However, as we will hear in a few moments, it is impossible to take pictures while keeping tension on the lanyard and walking backwards, and Jim doesn't get any pictures of the deployment. The CDR camera is stowed at the left rear of the MESA. The LMP camera is in the ETB.] http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/frame.html As for the remote camera, I sent you links showing the LRV deployment. What, did you do, just ignore them? Clearly YOU are the one who is out of his element. Todd

There is gravity on the moon, about one-sixth that of earth. The astronots are seen jumping because they were suspended by wires and filmed in slo-mo in a studio on earth. No Apollo missions are likely to have reached the moon. No astronots were exposed to VanAllen radiation because they never left low earth orbit. Jack This, from the guy who once asked how the "astronots" could have carried the Lunar Rover down the steps of the LEM. Too funny. Todd is resorting to fiction again. Officially, the rovers were stowed outside the LMs, just to port of the descent ladder. But there are NO PHOTOS showing this. If I ever said anything about carrying a LM down the ladder, I may have been trying to make a joke...since no believable photos exist of the "stowed" LM. Jack No Jack, it is you who is resorting to fiction. You raised the question, in all seriousness, back on the Della Rosa forum several years back. Somewhere in my files I have a print out of it. I replied and explained it to you and you had nothing to say. And there are PLENTY of photos showing the rover stowed there and being deployed on the moon. Pitiful. OK. I call your bluff. SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON. I have examined EVERY photo alleged to be shot on the moon. There is not a single photo among the 5771 such as Todd alleges. Pitiful. Jack All, Jack claims, “There is not a single photo such as Todd alleges.” Jack has absolutely no clue as to what he is talking about. This site … http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html …contains numerous photos of the LRV being fit checked for stowage on the LEM, loading and stowage photos, and even a closeout photo of the LRV packed in the LM. This site… http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15.html …contains numerous video clips of film showing the LRV being deployed. There are no still photos of the deployment as it was a two man job. Todd

There is gravity on the moon, about one-sixth that of earth. The astronots are seen jumping because they were suspended by wires and filmed in slo-mo in a studio on earth. No Apollo missions are likely to have reached the moon. No astronots were exposed to VanAllen radiation because they never left low earth orbit. Jack This, from the guy who once asked how the "astronots" could have carried the Lunar Rover down the steps of the LEM. Too funny. Todd is resorting to fiction again. Officially, the rovers were stowed outside the LMs, just to port of the descent ladder. But there are NO PHOTOS showing this. If I ever said anything about carrying a LM down the ladder, I may have been trying to make a joke...since no believable photos exist of the "stowed" LM. Jack No Jack, it is you who is resorting to fiction. You raised the question, in all seriousness, back on the Della Rosa forum several years back. Somewhere in my files I have a print out of it. I replied and explained it to you and you had nothing to say. And there are PLENTY of photos showing the rover stowed there and being deployed on the moon. Pitiful.

There is gravity on the moon, about one-sixth that of earth. The astronots are seen jumping because they were suspended by wires and filmed in slo-mo in a studio on earth. No Apollo missions are likely to have reached the moon. No astronots were exposed to VanAllen radiation because they never left low earth orbit. Jack This, from the guy who once asked how the "astronots" could have carried the Lunar Rover down the steps of the LEM. Too funny.

Robin, I believe that most, if not all of those, are rose petals. Todd

Basic math is ONE thing. SPECULATING on what the evidence means is NOT what I do...unlike yourself, Mr. Von Pein. The police report on the Walker shooting states that the bullet recovered was a STEEL jacketed round. The 6.5MM rounds fired by the Mannlicher-Carcano [not specifically "Carcano" bullets, as the bullets were NOT specific to a certain make of rifle, but to a certain caliber] were COPPER jacketed rounds. The bullet alleged to be from the Walker shooting as displayed in the WC exhibits in most certainly NOT a steel jacketed bullet. So I can either conclude that the Dallas police were incompetent, and couldn't tell steel from copper...or I can question the obviously flawed Warren Commission reports and the methods used to arrive at their conclusions. I DO NOT believe that Oswald is completely innocent in the JFK assassination...as you seem to assume I believe. I merely believe that the investigation was flawed, and that there are unanswered questions that the WC tried to sweep under the rug. I further believe that JFK was, indeed, struck by three bullets fired from above and behind...if that's any consolation to you, Dave. But don't ASSUME that I'm a conspiracy theorist, just because I don't follow you like a lap dog. From above, "The 6.5MM rounds fired by the Mannlicher-Carcano [not specifically "Carcano" bullets, as the bullets were NOT specific to a certain make of rifle, but to a certain caliber]" You have no idea what you are talking about. 6.5 mm Carcano rounds are most certainly 6.5mm rounds specifically for the 6.5MM Italian Mannlicher Carcano. They cannot be fired in any other 6.5 mm weapon.

Robin, I alreadypointed that out - it appears to be the bone fragment from Z-314 - it flies forward and downward and hits the back edge of Mrs.Connally's jumpsest. Todd

Robin, Yes, that what I have been saying here. Todd

Robin, Very nice. I didnt even have to ask and there it is, a lightened version of your gif. Thanks. I can see the first skull fragment clearly now, so amend this portion of my previous post .… One flies forward. In your gif it is seen in Z-314 just to the right of Jackies head. From other, lighter, versions of the Z-film Ive seen it can be seen to apparently hit the back of Mrs. Connallys jumpseat and drop into the backseat. This skull fragment was pointed out to me some years back by Steve Barber. …to read… One flies forward and downward. It is first seen clearly in Z-314 just to the right of Jackies head. Its next seen clearly in Z-321 or so, just forward of the forward- most rose in Jackies bouquet apparently in the midst of bouncing of off the upper inboard edge of the back of Mrs. Connallys jumpseat, where it then drops into the limousine. This skull fragment was pointed out to me some years back by Steve Barber. A sequence of stills showing this would be really nice. Todd

Robin, Your graphics are very clear. I "always" (since 1980) thought that what you have outlined is a large "wave" of blood that is just starting to flow out of JFK's head wound. If you could produce and post an identical graphic with the frames in motion from 312 to after Z-330, say down to Z345, we might have a better look at it. Thanks. Toddd Hi Todd Zapruder Zoomed Frames GIF Stabilized. part 2 ( 19-frames ) 2.36MB Z330 - Z345 there where a number of very blury frames in this sequence. Click on thumbnail to view full size: Notice as Conally ducks down, the blood on his back is clearly seen. Robin, In the Z-330 - 345 I can see a continuation of the downward movement of the item you had previously boxed in. Here it looks like it's a blob of blood or a chunk of tissue that detaches from the head and falls down into the limo. Could you do a graphic that combines yoru 312-330 part 1 and your 330-345 part 2 into one single Zapruder Zoomed Frames GIF Stabilized? Todd Todd here is a quick join of the two gifs http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj306/quaneeri2/ZapZoomed3.gif Randy Here’s what I see in your gif. Immediately after headshot two skull fragments can be seen. One flies forward. In your gif it is seen in Z-314 just to the right of Jackie’s head. From other, lighter, versions of the Z-film I’ve seen it can be seen to apparently hit the back of Mrs. Connally’s jumpseat and drop into the backseat. This skull fragment was pointed out to me some years back by Steve Barber. Another flies downward and passes in front of Jackie’s face and then passes JFK’s right elbow. It’s fairly clear in Z314. To my eye it appears larger than the other on and has come curvature to it. I suspect this is the one Jackie recalled seeing “detach” itself from JFK’s head. I also suspect this is the larger one found in the car, presumably the the 6.5 cm fragment delivered to Bethesda and x-rayed along with two smaller fragments (one of which could be the one described above). From Z-329 or so forward to about Z-338 or so something falls out of JFK’s open head wound. It follows a path similar to the earlier path of the larger skull fragment described above. This was pointed out to me by Barry Plesce back in 1980 and was described by him on an early VHS version of the Zapruder film with his voice-over as a “wave of blood” pouring out of the head. With you clearer gif I now think it’s a gob of blood, a gob of tissue, or a combination of both that has separated from inside the head. As Connally ducks and rolls forward, not only is blood visible on the back of his suit coat at the point where the bullet entered his back, but white spots appear which I think is gray matter form JFK’s head wound. Todd

Robin, Your graphics are very clear. I "always" (since 1980) thought that what you have outlined is a large "wave" of blood that is just starting to flow out of JFK's head wound. If you could produce and post an identical graphic with the frames in motion from 312 to after Z-330, say down to Z345, we might have a better look at it. Thanks. Toddd Hi Todd Zapruder Zoomed Frames GIF Stabilized. part 2 ( 19-frames ) 2.36MB Z330 - Z345 there where a number of very blury frames in this sequence. Click on thumbnail to view full size: Notice as Conally ducks down, the blood on his back is clearly seen. Robin, In the Z-330 - 345 I can see a continuation of the downward movement of the item you had previously boxed in. Here it looks like it's a blob of blood or a chunk of tissue that detaches from the head and falls down past Jackies left forearm down into the limo. Could you do a graphic that combines your 312-330 part 1 and your 330-345 part 2 into one single Zapruder Zoomed Frames GIF Stabilized? Todd

Robin, Your graphics are very clear. I "always" (since 1980) thought that what you have outlined is a large "wave" of blood that is just starting to flow out of JFK's head wound. If you could produce and post an identical graphic with the frames in motion from 312 to after Z-330, say down to Z345, we might have a better look at it. Thanks. Toddd

Left there by you, if I understand correctly.

All, I researched the entire motorcade in great detail (and continue to do so) for my booklet on the motorcade vehicles and its occupants. The “Pilot Car” was driven by DPD Captain Perdue W. Lawrence and was approximately ½ mile ahead of Chief Curry in the “Lead Car”. The car next to the limousine in both of the Parkland photos in this thread is clearly an ambulance. Lawrence was not driving an ambulance as the Pilot Car. In the photo taken from an elevation ( a FWST photo), the white sedan with its driver’s side door open at the top left of the photo is Curry’s car. The white sedan at the bottom of the photo, which has pulled into the parking lot in the direction opposite all of the motorcade cars, could be anyone’s car, including the Pilot Car or Inspector Putnam’s car. Todd