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    Operations Coordinating Board

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    from the book......

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801436222/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=

    In March 1963, President Kennedy asked Richard E. Neustadt to investigate a troubling episode in U.S.-British relations. His confidential report-intended for a single reader, JFK himself, and classified for thirty years-is reproduced in its entirety here. The Anglo-American crisis arose out of a massive misunderstanding between the two governments. The British Prime Minister, Harold Macmillan, had been operating on the assumption that Washington would proceed with, and sell for British use, an airborne missile system named Skybolt. In its defense planning, the United Kingdom relied on Skybolt to sustain its nuclear deterrent. The Americans, however, decided to cancel the program. This decision rocked the British government and seriously strained Anglo-American relations.Upon reading Neustadt's report, Kennedy passed it to his wife, Jacqueline, remarking, "If you want to know what my life is like, read this." She had it with her in Texas five days later, when he was killed. Today the document remains fascinating for the insight it provides into American-style foreign policymaking. This volume adds to the report Kennedy's comments, a glossary, a cast of characters, and new information gleaned from recently declassified British files.......thanks michael b

    Operations Coordinating Board

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    Council of Foreign Affairs has some information...

    http://www.bilderber.../emspecial.html

    On 19 February 1961, President John F. Kennedy issued a Statement abolishing the Operations Coordinating Board:

    "I am today issuing an Executive Order abolishing the Operations Coordinating Board. This Board was used in the last Administration for work which we now plan to do in other ways. This action is part of our program for strengthening the responsibility of the individual departments. First, we will center responsibility for much of the Board's work in the Secretary of State. He expects to rely particularly on the Assistant Secretaries in charge of regional bureaus, and they in turn will consult closely with other departments and agencies. This will be our ordinary rule of continuing coordination of our work in relation to a country or area."

    Second, insofar as the Operations Coordinating Board - as a descendent of the old Psychological Strategy Board - was concerned with the impact of our actions on foreign opinion - our "image" abroad - we expect its work to be done in a number of ways; in my own office, in the State Department, under Mr. Murrow of USIA, and by all who are concerned with the spirit and meaning of our actions in foreign policy. We believe that appropriate coordination can be assured here without extensive formal machinery.

    Third, insofar as the Operations Coordinating Board served as an instrument for ensuring action at the President's direction, we plan to continue its work by maintaining direct communication with the responsible agencies, so that everyone will know what I have decided, while I in turn keep fully informed of the actions taken to carry out decisions. We of course expect that the policy of the White House will be the policy of the Executive Branch as a whole, and we shall take such steps as are needed to ensure this result.

    I expect the senior officials who served as formal members of the Operations Coordinating Board will still keep in close and informal touch with each other on problems of common interest. Mr. Bromley Smith, who has been the Executive Officer of the Operations Coordinating Board, will continue to work with my Special Assistant, Mr. McGeorge Bundy [bundy was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations ], in following up on White House decisions in the area of national security. In these varied ways we intend that the net result shall be a strengthening of the process by which our policies are effectively coordinated and carried out, throughout the Executive Branch.""

    Kennedy's executive order didn't dissolve the Operations Coordinating Board, it made it invisible. The OCB became an ad hoc committee called the "Special Group." In The CIA File, author David Wise writes, "In The Invisible Government, published in 1964, Thomas B. Ross and I disclosed for the first time the existence of the "Special Group," the interagency government committee customarily cited by intelligence officials as the principal mechanism for control of covert operations. The special Group was also known during the Eisenhower years as the 54/12 Group and has been periodically renamed as the 303 committee - after a room number in the Executive Office Buildings - and during the Nixon administration, it acquired the name "Forty Committee. "... It was this committee to which Allen Dulles was referring when he wrote in a now famous statement, 'The facts are that the CIA has never carried out any action of a political nature, given any support of any nature to any persons, potentates or movements, political or otherwise, without appropriate approval at high political level in our government outside the CIA. '" [14]

    In 1975, Philip Agee, in the CIA DIARY, links the "Special Group" to the Operations Coordinating Board. A box on an organization chart writes, "Operations Co-ordination Board (OCB) (later renamed the 54-12 Group, The Special Group, the 303 group and the 40 Committee) Director of Central Intelligence, Under Secretary of State, Deputy Secretary of Defense are ad hoc members. " [15]

    Air Force Intelligence Officer L. Fletcher Prouty writes, "During the Eisenhower years the NSC, which at times was a large and unwieldy body, was reduced for special functions and responsibilities to smaller staffs. For purposes of administering the CIA among others, the NSC Planning Board was established. The men who actually sat as working members of this smaller group were not the Secretaries themselves. These men are heads of vast organizations and have many demands upon their time. This means that even if they could attend most meetings, the essential criteria for leadership and continuity of the decision making-process simply could not be guaranteed. Thus the sub-committee or special group idea was born, and these groups were made up of men especially designated for the task. In the case of the Special Group, called by many codes during the years, such as "Special Group 5412/2," it consists of a designated representative of the President, of the Secretary of State, of the Secretary of Defense, and the Director of The Central Intelligence Agency in person. This dilution of the level of responsibility made it possible for the CIA to assume more and more power as the years went by, as new administrations established their own operating procedures, and the control intended by the law became changed." [16] Prouty is understating what "this dilution did" -- it made it impossible to dissolve the Special Group.

    Key players in the "Secret Team" of the

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    in-broad-daylight.com and new site, ss100x.com update

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    here is all the information on the bullet hole in the floor pan, not much..but with Bill kelly's work on the SS documents being released , it may eventually be made clearer...???.fwiw b

    I actually followed up on this when I first started researching the case. I saw that there was another document from Rosen from the next day, and ordered it from the Archives. It turns out that Rosen "investigated" the possibility there had been a hole in the floor pan not by interviewing those who'd worked on the car, but by calling SS bigshot Robert Bouck, and asking him if such a hole had been discovered. Bouck said "no." End of investigation.

    Rosen, of course, was the FBI whiz kid tasked with investigating the basic facts of the case who'd refused to read the Bethesda autopsy report. Because...well, just because...

    The word typical comes to mind..re ''Bouck said "no." End of investigation.

    Rosen, of course, was the FBI whiz kid tasked with investigating the basic facts of the case who'd refused to read the Bethesda autopsy report. Because...well, just because...

    Pathetic isn't and wasn't it and still is.....thanks Pat. take care...best b

    Alterationists vs Non-Alternationists?

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    Hi Mike ; fyi here is the information from the original researchers, it may contain a little more information; yes it must appear to some to be quite out there, but not if they are up to date as they should be on just exactly what capabilities their government was capable of, or at least admit it to themselves, that is..what ...they were and are.....take care b..

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/TUM.html

    "The Umbrella System: Prelude to an Assassination", by Richard E. Sprague and Robert Cutler

    Alteration and no end

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    ACCESSORIES AFTER THE FACT Lane's allegation about Chaney is corroborated in the testimony of another motorcycle officer, M. L. Baker. Baker testified on March 24, 1964 that his fellow officer, James Chaney, had told him: He was on the right rear of the car or to the side, and then at the time the chief of police, he didn't know anything about this, and he moved up and told him, and then that was during the time that the Secret Service men were trying to get in the car, and at the time, after the shooting, from the time the first shot rang out, the car stopped completely, pulled to the left and stopped. . . . Mr. Truly was standing out there, he said it stopped. Several officers said it stopped completely. (3H 266) When he testified on March 24, 1964, Roy Truly corroborated Baker's statement. Truly: I saw the President's car swerve to the left and stop somewhere down in this area.... Belin: When you saw the President's car seem to stop, how long did it appear to stop? Truly: It would be hard to say over a second or two or something like that. I didn't see--I just saw it stop. I don't know. I didn't see it start up. . . . The crowd in front of me kind of congealed . . . and I lost sight of it. (3H 221) Various other witnesses said that the car had come to a complete stop or almost a standstill when the noise of the shot was heard--Senator Ralph Yar- borough (7H 440), for example, and Mrs. Earle Cabell (7H 487), among others. Policeman Earle V. Brown, who was stationed on the triple overpass farther down Elm Street, testified on April 7, 1964 that: Brown: Actually, the first I noticed the car was when it stopped. . . . After it made the turn and when the shots were fired, it stopped. Ball: Did it come to a complete stop? Brown: That, I couldn't swear to. Ball: It appeared to be slowed down some? Brown: Yes; slowed down. (6H 233) In sum, at least seven eyewitnesses to the assassination indicated that the President's car had come to a complete stop, or what was tantamount to a stop. Two of those witnesses (James Chaney and Mary Woodward) were not asked to testify before the Commission on this or on other observations of some im- portance reported to the Commission as hearsay (see, for example, 2H 43-45 and CE 2084). Apparently the witnesses were mistaken in remembering that the car had stopped; motion pictures, according to the Commission, contra- dicted them. Yet it seems clear from the way in which counsel led witnesses that the Commission had considerable resistance to inferences which might be drawn from evidence that the car had stopped at the first shot. "Stopped" was trans- formed into "seemed to stop" and then into "slowed down." Such leading of witnesses, which would have been challenged in a courtroom, was facilitated by the Commission's closed hearings, to which there was only one exception, by request of the witness concerned. (2H 33) The films of the assassination have not been released for public showings,

    http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Marsh/Limousine/limostop.txt

    Possible escape routes of the four Ramblers used in the assassination of JFK

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    your welcome William,i do not know positively any longer about posting contents of emails, there was a thread touching on this subject again of late, but i do not know if anything was finalized, i do know not to post email addresses, but i did get a grin, both replys are exactly the same, worded info, i guess Gary love noted Jerry first, back on Lancer and now similar to you.....he's a busy boy....b

    Black Dog Man is a woman with a baby...

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    sorry i see it what is blinking as a white flash like on the photo,could it be from sunlight ?? but not a baby shape...b ps you mention above in another post about the babies arms up around the moms neck, i do believe, if so, the bundle that you have outlined would not be large enough as a baby could not do so, till quite a few months old, and that bundle is not near the correct size, i do not think so..thanks..b

    Possible escape routes of the four Ramblers used in the assassination of JFK

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    William here is a bit further and the link.....b

    It was taken within 10 minutes of the shooting. Richard Trask owns all of the late Jim Murray's original negatives and he interviewed the freelance photographer extensively. In his book That Day In Dallas, Trask wrote that Murray said it took him about three minutes to reach his car next to the TSBD and begin loading his two cameras with film. The crying photo was #4 (the first three were misfires), so it was probably taken around 12:35. The earliest Murray photo that can be accurately timed came minutes later at 12:39, when the clock on top of the TSBD appeared in several of his other pictures.

    The car is parked on the corner of Elm (and extension) and Houston with the DalTex building in the background.

    http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=3&topic_id=55842&mesg_id=55842&page=&topic_page=2

    Possible escape routes of the four Ramblers used in the assassination of JFK

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    William this may help, all i have found so far.by Jerry Dealey.best b..

    Found the reference: in Pictures of the Pain, page 493, Trask says "Murray estimates it took him about three minutes after hearing the three reports to get to his car and prepare his cameras."

    Trask then shows your picture as the FIRST that Murray took.

    Murray was actually in the Sheriff's office when the assassination took place, but got to his car and went into the Plaza. Trask says he found a place to park on Houston St, by the rear loading dock of the TSBD.

    He would have had to leave the Sheriff's office on Main and Houston, go to his car behind the TSBD, prepare his cameras, and then come back out to the Plaza area. This would probably take a little longer than the 3 minutes, but he was a free-lance photographer, so he knew the value of immediate reactions, and would have HURRIED!

    Probably shooting well before the 12:40 time, as some of his distance shots show the Hertz sign at 12:40, and we know this shot was the first that he took.

    I have to look at other photos to see if this station wagon was still there later on.

    Respectfully,

    Jerry Dealey

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