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Kathy, I have never seen Harvey and Lee offered on Ebay(FWIW), and I shop there all the time. The only books I have seen offered there with regard to Armstrong's theory are DENIAL 1&2. I don't think Andy at Last Hurrah has it either.(If he did, it would be few and far between.) All he had when I asked him were the DENIAL books. Best bet is the DellaRosas. I believe they are the only ones who have it available. Kathy Becket ************ Kathy: FYI........ The only distributor of Harvey & Lee, is Shelby DellaRosa, exclusively.....it comes with a CD... The book has nothing to do with the JFKresearch Forum nor it's administration..... Andy at Last Hurrah does not carry the book..... B.........

Hi Miles: I took your photo below, Bell frame I believe, and lightened it, cropped. I see the one RR spectator...........but do not see the other on the right, closest to the end of the cement railng,...could be.... but then could also simply be shadows, I cannot make out a spectator. Do you?? B......

I am no ones cavalry Miles, please do not imply such....I take no ones side in this, except that Ed should receive the respect he is due, in being a witness... ..Whatever you and others beliefs in his memories are...are your own..........but.. ...He is due that respect and it should never be implied that he may be lying by anyone, as has occurred in the other threads on this same subject..........the witnesses were there, none of us were......We have no idea, except what they have recorded for us...and they should be always be respected for such....imo..... If you look closely at the photos, aerial maps taken that day, you, and others, I believe might see that there was brush, on the other side of the fence perhaps, as well as, a small tree, in that corner.. whatever was growing in that area..that you mention above.. ... possibley could have blocked the view, could be ?? I do not know for sure...But the photo you have taken was done so in the 90s..... Also IMO, those on the overpass, would not be looking towards the end of the overpass, at that time, their eyes I would think would have been glued to the motorcade travelling below, as some stated, and or some, as mentioned to the area of where the smoke was seen coming out from under the trees, that did happen, it was reported by several........and is seen in the Wiegman film........it is real... Whether some want to believe such or not, that is again their perogative.. The parking lot seems to be quite full IMO also, but there is room as seen to move between and around the cars, it was not a solid mass, as you seem to want to imply......If so, no-one would ever have been able to proceed in driving out from such after....which they did....As well we see on Sam Holland's map he has shown that there was room in front of the cars to maneuver, and he has drawn the footprints in front of such.....showing there was room to walk back and forth...at least in front of some....... ...Also keep in mind a car is approx five feet wide, and to be able to even open the doors and get out, there needs to be approx two feet on each side, to do so........If not, no one would have been able to get out and see any of the motorcade.....in the first place..... The Harold Cabluck photo was taken from the last bus in the motorcade showing the Officer Haygood, I believe.. ....I am under the impression it was the last vehicle in the motorcade.....it also does show a small tree right at the corner.... The overheads were taken by Jerry Cabluck that afternoon...... B..

Some of these may have been seen .... as we have been around this neverending bush before, but for those who may not have seen some of the photos of the parking lot, after the assassination........FWTAW.. B........

If Judyth knew any Oswald it was not Harvey, it was Lee...more grains of salt...imo... It was Lee that had the licence and drove not Harvey..... How could Marina be materialistic, Lee she didn't have anything, to compare it to in the first place...?? But those are also Judyths words within her book....that Marina was.... and not even enough to see a Doctor for a check up...and lived on also what others provided for them. Check into Wiesberg, I believe they never spent more than $10.00 a week on grocery's, he did drop by at the corner grocery store during the week, for milk and bread extra, and there if we are to believe Judyth.....he was even helping her even pay her rent when first in N.Os.....but that's o.k..... sheesh.... See below for anyone interested.....there were clearly two who looked very similar....imo.. Laurel Kittrell, of the Texas Employment Commission, interviewed Harvey Oswald before he began work at the Book Depository on October 15. He told her he had come up from New Orleans. She described him as neat in appearance and articulate. He told her his first job was selling shoes. In 1956 he moved to Encino, California and worked 6 months a motorscooter messenger boy before he joined the Marines. Laurel Kittrell interviewed "Harvey Oswald", who first worked at Dolly Shoe in 1955, and wrote the infamous note to Warren Easton High School in October, 1955 stating "we are moving to San Diego". Her curiosity was aroused when Oswald told her he had lived in Russia and had a Russian wife. She noticed the woman with him was about to have a baby and remembered her as being quite short and wearing no makeup. During this interview, she asked him what he liked best about Russia. He replied "The opera". A week later Oswald showed up for another interview. Harvey was then working at the T.S.B.D.. But Mrs. Kittrell realized this Oswald was not the same person she had interviewed before. The two Oswalds were very, very similar--but different people. She said, "the man I remember as (Harvey) Oswald, and the man I remember as the Teamster were much alike in size, shape and outline, generally, there was a marked difference between them in bearing and manner. The man I remember as Oswald was a trim, energetic, compact, well-knit person, who sat on the edge of a chair (Harvey). The man I remember as the Teamster, was sprawled over his chair and was rather messy looking (Lee)". -- John Armstrong, 1997 Mrs. Kittrell gave a thirty-page statement to the U.S. Attorney in Dallas. Her statement was hand carried to the Warren Commission by the Secret Service. But her 30-page statement and subsequent 90-page manuscript in which she discusses her interviews of the two Oswalds, were ultimately ignored and suppressed. -- John Armstrong, 1999 The FBI finally got around to interviewing Mrs. Kittrell on June 4, 1965. The U.S. government finally got around to allowing the American people access to her statement in 1994, more than thirty years after the assassination. Shown below is an excerpt from two pages of her lengthy statement, which is FBI record no. 124-10057-10339; Agency file no. 62-109060-4052. According to an FBI report located at the National Archives by Mr. Armstrong in May 1999, the FBI had tracked Oswald's return trip to the U.S. from Mexico City, indicating that Oswald took a La Frontera bus from Mexico City and arriving at the border town on Nuevo Laredo on the morning of 10/3/63. Noting that Oswald also applied for unemployment compensation at the Texas Employment Commission that same day, the report found it "highly improbable that Oswald could have traveled" the 426 miles "from Laredo, Texas to Dallas, Texas on 10/3/63, in time to appear personally" before Laurel Kittrell at the Texas Employment Commission. The agent who wrote the report was obviously unaware that two people were sharing the identity of Lee Harvey Oswald. http://home.wi.rr.com/harveyandlee/Kittrell/Kittrell.htm The official story of Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald's activities on November 22, 1963 is familiar to many. Since Harvey didn't drive and didn't have a driver's license, on the morning of the assassination at around 7:15 AM he walked the short distance to Wesley Frazier's house and rode with Frazier to the School Book Depository, where he stayed continuously until the early afternoon and was observed by many witnesses. The shirt he wore was variously identified as tan or, more often, brown. Wearing a white shirt that day, the American-born "Lee" Oswald was seen at two different places early in the morning. In 1998, Mr. Armstrong described the sightings this way: Lee Oswald --- 7:30 am, November 22, 1963 --- J.W. "Dub" Stark was the owner of the Top 10 Record Store located at 338 W. Jefferson in Oak Cliff. The store still exists and is across the street and a block and a half west of the Texas Theater. On December 3, 1963 SA Carl E. Walters wrote a memo to SAC, Dallas. The memo stated "On 12/3/63, Mr. John D. Whitten, telephonically advised that he heard Lee Harvey Oswald was in the Top 10 Record Shop on Jefferson on the morning of 11/22/63. Oswald bought a ticket of some kind and left. Then some time later, Oswald returned to the record shop and wanted to buy another ticket. Whitten requested that his name not be mentioned in any way, as it could hurt his business". News reporter Earl Golz confirmed this story in his interview with Mr. Stark (notes of Earl Golz). This story was further confirmed by Top 10 Record store employee Louis Cortinas, 18 years old in 1963, also in an interview conducted by Earl Golz (notes of Earl Golz). For interested parties, Dale Myers interviewed Mr. Stark in 1997. This interview is described on page 57 of Dale Myers book, With Malice. Lee Oswald --- 8:30 am, November 22, 1963 --- Lee Oswald entered the Jiffy store, 310 S. Industrial, Dallas, TX., about 8:30 am. Fred Moore, the store clerk said "identification of this individual arose when he asked him for identification as to proof of age for purchase of two bottles of beer. Moore said he figured the man was over 21 but the store frequently requires proof by reason of past difficulties with local authorities for serving beer to minors. This customer said, sure I got ID and pulled a Texas drivers license from his billfold. Moore said that he noted the name appeared as Lee Oswald or possibly as H. Lee Oswald. As Moore recalled, the birth date on the license was 1939 and he thought it to have been the 10th month." (interview of Fred Moore by SA David Barry 12/2/63). http://home.wi.rr.com/harveyandlee/November/November_22.htm B......

__________________________ Lee, That largish, longish, whitish, nearly-vertical "thing" blocking our view of the left leg of the guy standing to the left of the tall dark-complected dude is interesting. Any idea as to what that white thing was? Thanks. --Thomas __________________________ Hey Thomas. Not 100% - I would hazard to guess that the individual to the left has on a pair of white pants and is taking a step forward and in advance of the individual at the right. That may work if the individual on the left was wearing an overcoat, or holding one draped over his right arm - just guessing. Can't help but wonder about this guy on the right. Maybe he's the same as what appears to be the man seen in the Towner lying prone on the ground. Lot's of maybe's - like maybe he's not being arrested but being helped. I don't know. Curious. - lee Pardon Moi, if this has already been posted or addressed, but it seems relevant in at least an FYI sense..... At the 1969 trial of Clay Shaw, Jackson, Louisiana barber Edwin Lea McGehee testified about an incident he said had occurred "in the last of August or the early part of September," "along toward the evening." "I had my door open, the air-conditioning was off and it was rather cool," McGehee recalled. He testified that "an old," "battered," "dark colored car" drove up, and Lee Harvey Oswald stepped into his shop for a haircut. The car "might have been dark green -- but the make of it I just couldn't remember, it was an old car, real old." It "resembled a Kaiser or a Frazer or an old Nash." ....... Lee have you entertained the idea of charting in table form, the suspicious vehicles in Dallas on November 22, 1963? It seems like it would be easier to follow, just an idea ********************* Ron & Lee From the other Paines station wagon thread......the Paines had three cars.....FWIW.. Harvey & Lee page 539 & 582....3 cars.. Ruth Paine described her car to FBI agent Bardwell Odum as a 1955 Chevrolet 4 door: 2 toned Green station wagon. WC: Ex.2125: 2/29/64. Lee Oswald may have driven this car to New Orleans in early September, while Mrs.Paine drove to the east coast in a Brown station wagon...- the same car was seen by Lillian Murret May 11/ 63 and by two FBI agents parked in front of 4907 Magazine in Aug.63.. WC 3119. A man who identified himself as Lee Harvey Oswald , with a photo ID, had a 1955 station wagon serviced in New Orleans at A.R.Will's Service Sation about Sept.10th, 63...... ******************** LHO Last Words... Paines 3 cars..... 10:30 A.M.-1:10 P.M. Interrogation, Capt. Will Fritz's Office "I said I wanted to contact Attorney Abt, New York. He defended the Smith Act cases in 1949, 1950, but I don't know his address, except that it is in New York. . . . I never owned a rifle. . . . Michael Paine owned a car, Ruth Paine owned two cars. . . http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html B.. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...=6673&st=45 B..

James: Not his face but could be the same man, and a very good photo of his back...... B........

The following is excerpted from Palamara's section on Clint Hill: Despite riding on an automobile that was only a scant five feet away from JFK's slow-moving car (less than 12 mph) at the start of the shooting, Hill could only arrive in time to "protect" Mrs. Kennedy, the person to which he was assigned to protect. Mrs. Kennedy thought highly of Hill, regarding him as the brightest agent on the White House Detail and "one of us." In fact, "Hill had not been scheduled to make the Dallas trip, but came only after Mrs. Kennedy made a personal request." Although Hill was the only agent to overtly respond to the shooting of JFK, and in spite of the award he received for this action, the agent had much survivor's guilt. Mike Wallace asked Hill in 1975: "Is there anything that the Secret Service, or Clint Hill, could have done to keep that [the assassination] from happening?" After a long pause, Hill answered: "Clint Hill, yes." Wallace: "’Clint Hill, yes?’ What do you mean?" Hill, speaking somewhat in the third-person, responded: "If he had reacted about, oh, five-tenths of a second faster, maybe a second faster, I wouldn’t be here today." Wallace: "You mean you would have taken the shot?" Hill: "The third shot, yes, sir." Wallace: "And that would have been alright with you?" Hill: "That would have been fine with me." Wallace: "…you surely don’t have any sense of guilt about that?" Hill: "Yes, I certainly do. I have a great deal of guilt. It was my fault…if I had reacted just a little bit quicker, I could have, I guess…[sigh]…and I’ll live with that to my grave." Hill added: "[The doctors said] I have a severe neurological problem…they recommended psychiatric help…they trace it all back to 1963." The year 1993 saw a renaissance for Agent Hill---as previously mentioned, the movie "In The Line of Fire" ( starring Clint Eastwood ) was released, which was a somewhat veiled ‘tribute’ to Hill (and, in the movie, he gets to redeem himself for his failings on 11/22/63). In addition, Clint Hill did an "update" of sorts for the 25th anniversary special for "60 Minutes" during November 1993. Like his appearance on the 1995 documentary "Inside The Secret Service," Hill mentioned that he struggled with guilt for almost 30 years. It was here that Hill picked up the story, the same one he revealed in November 1993 to "60 Minutes": he and his wife went to Dealey Plaza in 1990 (straight from a nearby annual Secret Service reunion, according to Agent Sam Kinney). He walked it for about 2 hours, studying every angle and every possibility. Hill let everything run through his mind. He then came to the conclusion that he did the best that he could, and that he didn't have a chance. Well, regardless of Hill’s newfound feelings on the matter, the real question is: what about agent John Ready’s actions, responsibilities, and feelings? He was unnamed---he was the one responsible for JFK, NOT Hill, assigned to Jackie. The song remains the same. Many people have empathy for Hill, including many of his colleagues. Agent Lawson wrote to the author: "The thing I am confident of is that, although there were no more shots, Clint saved Mrs. Kennedy’s life by vaulting up on the back of the car using the steps and hand holds and keeping her from falling off. I’m still amazed at how quickly he got up there, didn’t fall and get run over by the heavy Cadillac follow-up car and, more amazingly, how he managed to hang on during that frantic high speed race to Parkland Hospital." However, through photo analysis of the Zapruder film and the Altgen's photo, the author has discovered that Agent Hill was looking directly at JFK upon the moment of the first shot: his guilt is well-founded, for he let several crucial seconds (at least five) go by before belatedly coming to the President's "aid". As author James Hepburn wrote: "Clint Hill, who was later decorated, was the first to move, and it took him 7 or 8 seconds to react. In eight seconds, the average sprinter can cover 80 yards." In addition, photo analysis reveals that Hill did not even push Mrs. Kennedy back into the limousine—she crawled back into the backseat on her own. Also, like Agent Ready, Hill was involved in the drinking incident the night before. However, in Hill’s defense, at least he tried to do something, Roberts and Boring notwithstanding, and on more than one occasion: 1) his four brief appearances on the back of JFK’s limousine, on Jackie’s side, albeit well before the motorcade reached Dealey Plaza and 2) his attempt to help Jackie and, by extension, JFK, by running to the limousine on Elm Street. Also, Hill later wrote shortly after the assassination: "As I lay over the top of the back seat I noticed a portion of the President's head on the right rear side was missing and he was bleeding profusely. Part of his brain was gone. I saw a part of his skull with hair on it lying in the seat…[during the autopsy] I observed a wound about six inches down from the neckline on the back just to the right of the spinal column. I observed another wound on the right rear portion of the skull." In addition, Hill later testified to the Warren Commission’s Arlen Specter on 3/9/64: "The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car…one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head…[later, during the autopsy] I saw an opening in the back, about 6 inches below the neckline to the right-hand side of the spinal column." From Hill’s description of the wounds, it would appear that a shot from the front killed JFK (entrance wounds make small holes while exit wounds make larger holes) AND that a wound too low to come from Oswald’s rifle hit the president in the back, not the neck. That said, Hill later said on national television: "There were only 3 shots---one gun, 3 shots." Interviewer: "Are you satisfied that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?" Hill: "Completely." Hill’s White House Communications Agency (WHCA) code name was Dazzle. ********************** Agents who believed in Conspiracy....... http://www.geocities.com/zzzmail/palarma.htm B.......

National Archive Release See The Documents........ The CIA's Family Jewels Agency Violated Charter for 25 Years, Wiretapped Journalists and Dissidents CIA Announces Declassification of 1970s "Skeletons" File, Archive Posts Justice Department Summary from 1975, With White House Memcons on Damage Control National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 222 Edited by Thomas Blanton Posted - June 21, 2007 Seymour Hersh broke the story of CIA's illegal domestic operations with a front page story in the New York Times on December 22, 1974. In the news "CIA to Air Decades of Its Dirty Laundry" By Karen DeYoung and Walter Pincus Washington Post June 22, 2007 "CIA Kidnapping, Wiretapping of '60s, '70s Revealed" Morning Edition (National Public Radio) June 22, 2007 "C.I.A. to Release Documents on Decades-Old Misdeeds" By Scott Shane New York Times June 22, 2007 Chronology of the CIA's record on declassification CIA Proposed Rule on FOIA Fees Would Burden Requesters and the Agency February 7, 2007 CIA Had Single Officer in Hungary 1956 October 31, 2006 CIA Claims the Right to Decide What is News June 14, 2006 Secret Understanding Between National Archives and CIA Exposes Framework for Surreptitious Reclassification Program April 19, 2006 CIA Wins 2006 "Rosemary Award" for Worst Freedom of Information Performance by a Federal Agency March 13, 2006 Declassification in Reverse February 21, 2006 PDB News - The President's Daily Brief January 27, 2006 Judge Refuses In Camera Review of CIA Estimate on Iraq October 21, 2005 Public Interest in Hidden CIA Operational Records Is High January 21, 2005 Professor Sues CIA for President's Daily Briefs December 23, 2004 Archive Calls on CIA and Congress to Address Loophole Shielding CIA Records From the Freedom of Information Act October 15, 2004 CIA Whites Out Controversial Estimate on Iraq Weapons July 9, 2004 Dubious Secrets May 21, 2003 The Secret CIA History of the Iran Coup November 29, 2000 Lawsuit calls CIA secrecy claims "facially incredible" August 2, 2000 Archive Sues CIA May 13, 1999 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CIA's Broken Promises on Declassification What Others Say about CIA's Promises "C.I.A., Breaking Promises, Puts Off Release of Cold War Files" By Tim Weiner New York Times (Select) July 15, 1998 http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB222/index.htm B.......

Hi Fellas : Here you go Jack...... Best B......

Harvey & Lee page 539 & 582....3 cars.. Ruth Paine described her car to FBI agent Bardwell Odum as a 1955 Chevrolet 4 door: 2 toned Green station wagon. WC: Ex.2125: 2/29/64. Lee Oswald may have driven this car to New Orleans in early September, while Mrs.Paine drove to the east coast in a Brown station wagon...- the same car was seen by Lillian Murret May 11/ 63 and by two FBI agents parked in front of 4907 Magazine in Aug.63.. WC 3119. A man who identified himself as Lee Harvey Oswald , with a photo ID, had a 1955 station wagon serviced in New Orleans at A.R.Will's Service Sation about Sept.10th, 63...... ******************** LHO Last Words... Paines 3 cars..... 10:30 A.M.-1:10 P.M. Interrogation, Capt. Will Fritz's Office "I said I wanted to contact Attorney Abt, New York. He defended the Smith Act cases in 1949, 1950, but I don't know his address, except that it is in New York. . . . I never owned a rifle. . . . Michael Paine owned a car, Ruth Paine owned two cars. . . http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html B............

Hi Jack: I have corrected the Johns......?? I will check to see if the book was in error, but more than likely I could have been thinking of someone like a John Travolta.... Will make sure....and also check in Marrs... Thanks..

Well said, Ken. If people like Scull, if that is who he really is, would spend a fraction of the time he wastes trolling the forum and would actually read all the evidence before posting, then perhaps one could at least take him seriously rather than just some kook looking for attention. _____________________________ Bill, I agree. Although I don't condone the tone and tenor of your past "exchanges" with Jack White, they do tend to pale in comparison to the vitriol vented on you recently by a certain individual, who seems to relish posting silly, mocking emoticons like this-- -- over and over again as if he thinks they somehow "put you down" or somehow buttress his hard-to-follow "arguments" in the "Close-up of Duncan McRae's Knoll Shooter" thread. How juvenile to post silly faces like that over and over again. One can only wonder if he didn't learn such behavior from some of his more immature students. You know, the ones who sat in the back of the room and shot "spit wads" at each other.... Like you, I believe Hoffman. I think that a deaf person like Hoffman would be a more believable/credible eyewitness than a "normal" sighted person simply because a deaf person, in order to survive on a day-to-day basis in a world of fast-moving cars, etc, must hone his or her visual skills to compensate for his or her inability to hear. It is obvious to anyone who watches TMWKK on http://www.youtube.com that Hoffman raised a family, and a fairly well-to-do-looking family at that, which is a lot more than be said for a lot of people who have all of their faculties, so he must have been a pretty darn normal guy psychologically.... But for some reason, certain people on this forum (and others as well, I suppose) want to make him out as some kind of weird, yarn-spinning miscreant. All I can say is that I trust Hoffman much more than the people who attack him and his testimony/statements.... Keep up the good work, --Thomas _____________________________ I agree with you Thomas. Ed is very credible. Much has been made of him being about a hundred yards from the scene he describes. But consider, a football field is 120 yards long, and spectators have no problem with seeing a person catch a pass that far away. Also, in 1963 there were no trees to obscure the view as is the case today. Thanks. Jack **************************** The Ed Hoffman Site.. This is from "Triangle of Fire" the Bob Goodman story....and what became a friendship with Ed Hoffman. One afternoon, Bob was on the steps of Dealey Plaza, near where Zapruder had made the film, and he saw a man standing behind the stockade fence watching him. In looking in his direction the man, smiled and waved as if he knew him. Since Bob felt he could not be sure about anyone at the grassy knoll, he ignored him at first. Then glancing over his shoulder the man waved again..So Bob walked up closer to the fence, thinking he may want to ask him something. The man nodded and smiled, and Bob felt there was something different about this man..and was drawn towards him..as Bob approached him the man looked over his bifocals, and pounded his index finger on his chest, he then slowly moved his finger the the corner of his eye and pointed to Elm St...He spoke not a word, and they stared at each other .Ed wrote on Bob's notepad his name, and that he had seen what had happened the day of the assassination. Bob had heard about him.... Ed had seen someone behind the stockade fence on the grassy knoll with a rifle when the President was shot. Through sign language and written notes they communicated, and Ed told John his story. On the afternoon of Nov.22/63, he had been on his way to a dental appointment when he remembered the President was coming to town. As he drove he had seen people waiting alongside the motorcade route in Dealey Plaza. He passed over the overpass and pulled his car to the shoulder of the road. He waited near the Stemmons Freeway overpass bridge. His location was west of Dealey Plaza where the freeway bridge crossed Elm St. From this position, he has a good view, not only of the street, but also of the area behind the stockade fence on the Grassy Knoll. Ed said he had seen a man in a dark blue suit coat and a fedora-style hat with a rifle behind the fence. He said the man had run with the rifle and had pitched it to another man who appeared to have broken the rifle down or to have taken it apart, behind a large, silver-colored railroad switching box located near the corner of the fence, near the railroad overpass bridge. The man wearing the black fedora had then run back along the fence for a short distance, and then he had started to walk casually across the parking lot. As the President's convertible limousine drove down Elm St. and toward the freeway just seconds later, Ed saw the aftermath of the assassin's bullets. He saw the blood and the agony and the damage to the President’s head. He knew that something terrible had happened. Ed communicated with his close friends and family what he had witnessed and had even reported it to the authorities. The results were a lack of interest and a warning to forget about what he had seen. His story remained fairly well secret until the summer of 85 when he shared his eyewitness account to veteran researcher and writer Jim Marrs, who also, on occasion visited the Dealey Plaza area. Mr. Hoffman explained that there now is a large billboard that now blocks the view that he had on Nov.22/63 and this created a problem. It was impossible to take a photograph of the view that he had seen that afternoon from the overpass area. The billboard was twelve to fifteen feet lower and almost at ground level on the day of the assassination. Every two or three weeks, Ed would drop by Dealey and visit Bob Goodman , and it was on one of these visits that as they walked over to the train tracks, ,as they stood looking at the back of the billboard, he showed John where the metal posts that supported the sign had been extended. The metal beams had indeed been welded and lengthened thus raising the billboard twelve to fifteen feet from it's original position. It was frustrating to Ed to try to explain his story without showing him his direct viewpoint. Later John discovered a photo taken the day of the assassination showing the billboard at ground level. It confirmed Mr. Hoffman’s claim of the position as being a fact.. The photo below was taken on a day, when the sign on the billboard was being replaced, and as can be seen when removed....The view of the area that Ed saw can be seen quite clearly..... B..........

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***************** Your welcome Charles, Mike.. Though I did not do this recently, I have been following and posting on the SS for quite some time around.... Vince's SS work is self explanatory I do believe...I have found no research better by far..on this particular subject...he has it covered .. Carry on fellas... B....

The Policy of “No Agents” on the President’s Limousine Information from Vince Palamara’s “Survivor’s Guilt” 2005 The Evolution of the Myth. The Warren Commission was curious apparently, along with members of the media and the public, why there were no agents protecting the President Kennedy during the Dallas motorcade on 11/22/63. by being posted on the back of the Limo on either side. Or why no agents were not walking or running along side of the car.?(1). Agents had performed these duties since the days of FDR. In response, and only because they demanded an answer, Secret Service Chief James J.Rowley had agents , Jerry Behn, Floyd Boring, Emory Roberts, John Ready, and Clint Hill write their reports in relation to their experiences with JFK on the matter of security,(why Roy Kellerman, the agent in charge of the Dallas trip , and the other Texas agents weren’t asked, is not known.) Most interesting is that nothing is mentioned specifically by the WC about 11/22/63..as requested by them. On first glance all five reports support the notion that the President did not want agents on or near the rear of the limo. However that is at first glance. Special Agent In Charge (SAIC) of White House detail (WHD) Gerald. A “Jerry” Behn, not on the Texas trip, stated unequivocally in his report 4/16/64 that JFK “told me that he did not want agents riding on the back of his car.” This came from the man who was the leader of the WH detail, “the man who was the direct pipeline to the President, this alleged presidential edit seems to be an authoritative and conclusive fact. However, during the course of three separate interviews with Vince Palamara, Mr.Behn let out a most unexpected bombshell: “I don’t remember Kennedy ever saying that he didn’t want anybody on the back of his car”. He went on to further add” that newsreel footage from that period will bear him out on this point.” One of many examples being the June 63 trip to Berlin (and many others from 61 to 63). “I think if you watch the newsreel pictures you’ll find agents on there from time to time.” Behn said. Brehn’s reputation was and is impeccable. Agent Maurice G.Martineau told Palamara on 9/21/93.. “No one that I can think of would have been better positioned to give you the information than Jerry Behn…( he was ) as well informed as anyone I can think of that you could contact”. Behn garnered the utmost respect from his colleagues that the author spoke with”. Mr.Behn however ended his report by stating..” As late as Nov. 18(63)… he (JFK) told ASAIC Boring the same thing (or so Boring claimed). Assistant Special Agent Boring was also not on the Dallas trip, he had dealt primarily with the 11/18/63 Tampa, Florida trip in his report ( dated 4/8/64) while also he mentioned the 7/2/63 Italy trip, alleging that President Kennedy made this request for both stops. Boring made the Florida trip in place of Mr.Behn. That said, in yet another contradiction that caught the author off guard Boring exclaimed: “No, no that’s not true..(JFK) was a very easy going guy…he didn’t interfere with our actions at all”, thus also contradicting his report. Assistant To the Special Agent in Charge (ATSAIC) Emory P.Roberts (on the Florida and Texas trips) the commander of the SS follow up car …the late Mr. Roberts (he died in the 60’s) deals exclusively with the 11/18/63 Tampa, Florida trip in his report ( dated 4/10/64): Boring was Roberts sole source, via radio transmission from the limousine ahead of his follow-up vehicle, for JFK’s alleged request. Special Agent (SA) John David “Jack” Ready (on the Texas trip) ..Ready’s very brief report (dated 4/11/64) dealt exclusively with the 11/18/63 Tampa, Florida trip. However, Ready was not on that specific Florida trip. Boring was, once again, his source for JFK’s alleged request .Ready would not respond to written inquiries from the author. The author phoned Mr. Ready on 6/13/05 and asked him if it was true that Boring said this, based on JFK’s request. After confirming he wasn’t on the Tampa trip, Ready stated : “Not on the phone (will I answer you ).I don’t know you from Adam. Can you see my point ?”. SA Clinton J,”Clint” Hill (on the Texas trip) …Hill also deals with the 11/18/63 Tampa, Florida trip and Borings second-hand in his (strangely undated) report: Mr. Hill was not on the Florida trip either. Mr. Hill’s brother is former agent David B. Grant, a former advance agent who worked on the planning of the Florida and Texas trips with none other than Mr.Boring. So of the five SS reports, four have as their primary source for JFK’s alleged request Agent Floyd Boring, including one by Boring himself, while the remaining report, written by Mr.Behn, mentions the same 11/18/63 trip with Mr. Boring as the others do.Both Behn and Boring totally contradicted the contents of their reports at different times, independent of each other, to the author. In addition, agents DID ride on the rear of the limousine on 7/2/63 and 11/18/63 anyway, despite these alleged Presidential requests, as the film and photo record proves.(2).Needless to say, with Boring joining Behn in refuting the substance of their reports , the official SS ‘ explanation’ falls like a house of cards. Brehn’s, Boring’s, and Hill’s reports are not even on any SS or Treasury Dept. stationary, just blank sheets of paper. Also Hill’s report is undated, an unusual error to make in any official government that has been requested by the head of the Secret Service. Yet, all are supposed to be evidence of JFK expressing his desire to keep Secret Service agents off the limousine, particularly in Tampa, Florida..? Importantly ,no mention is made of any alleged orders via President’s Staff. And, again, there is nothing about what JFK said or “requested” on Nov.22/63.The critical day in question. Above from page 4-5. Notes: p.210 (1) Vol.18 WC: p.803-809 “From now on , this designation, the standard one used in the literature, will be adopted as follows: However, the hydraulic side steps which swung out were rarely used because of their narrowness and their potential lethal capability to unknowing spectators on a motorcade route : “The Death of a President,” p.36 ( All references to Manchester’s book are from the 1988 Perennial Library edition) “Presidential Limousines” video by Rick Boudreau .1996. When Kennedy’s specially-designed Lincoln Continental limousine was delivered to the White House in June 61, detachable rear grab handles were included ( Press statement ,Ford Motor Co. June 61).In early 62 ,grab handles were permanently added to the rear of the car. It should also be noted that President Eisenhower’s limousine (and even one of the two 56 Cadillac convertible follow up cars) was also, out of necessity, used from time to time. (2) Regarding Italy: See also “Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye” by O’Donnell, Kenneth P., David F .Powers, and Joseph McCarthy, (Boston: Little Brown & Co. 1972) page 433 (Note: All references to this book are from the Pocket Book paperback edition published in 73). The Myth… Floyd Boring and quite a few of his SS colleagues denied to Vince Palamara what William Manchester reports in the best seller “The Death of a President”: “Kennedy grew weary of seeing bodyguards roosting behind him every time he turned around, and in Tampa Nov.18/63 just four days before his death, he dryly asked Agent Floyd Boring to ‘keep those Ivy League charlatans off the back of the car’ Boring wasn’t offended .There had been no animosity in the remark”.(3) But incredibly Boring told Palamara that “I never told him that”. As for the merit of the quote itself, Boring said “No, no—that’s not true”. Thus contradicting his own report in the process. Incredibly, Boring was not even interviewed for Manchester’s book! We may never know the source for this information as Manchester told the author on 8/23/93 that “ all the material is under seal and won’t be released in my lifetime”, and denied the author access to his notes. Manchester has since passed away. (4) Interestingly Manchester did interview the late Emory Roberts, his probable but also very questionable source.(5) As a result Manchester left his mark on the issue.(6) In Jim Bishop’s “The Day Kennedy Was Shot”, he simply repeats the written record of the WC and the previously mentioned five reports all taken at face value. Mr. Boring was not interviewed for the book. Mr. Bishop,also now dead, his information rests with him. But he did sum up the situation the best. “ No one wanted to weigh the possibilities that, if a Secret Service man had been on the left rear bumper going down Elm Street, it would have been difficult to hit President Kennedy” he also noted “The Secret Service men were not pleased because they were in a “ hot” city and would have preferred to have two men ride the bumper of the President’s car with two motorcycle policemen between him ( JFK) and the crowds on the sidewalks”. Thanks to the SS reports above ( and, in large part to Agent Boring himself ) three massive best sellers still in print ..The Warren Report…Manchester’s “The Death of a President”….and Bishop’s “The Day Kennedy Was Shot”…have created the myth that JFK was difficult to protect and had ordered the agents off his car..and like a ,dangerous myth that endures to this day in classrooms and in the media , thus doing great damage to the true historical record. The Secret Service Myth..Blames the Victim. Clint Hill: “I never personally was requested by President John F. Kennedy not to ride on the rear of the Presidential automobile. I did receive information passed verbally from the administrative offices of the White House Detail of the Secret Service to Agents assigned to that Detail that President Kennedy had made such requests.” “This would have been between Nov. 19/63 and Nov 21/63 “.He could not recall at the time what specific agent had given him JFK’s alleged desires….note the dates. But during his WC testimony, he revealed it on 3/9/64 under oath to the future Senator Arlen Specter, then a lawyer for the WC. Specter: “Now had there been any instruction or comment about your performance of that type of duty (moving to the rear part of the limo) With respect to anything President Kennedy himself had said in the period immediately preceding the trip to Texas ?” Hill” “Yes Sir, there was. The preceding Monday, the President was on a trip to Tampa. Florida and he requested that agents not ride on either of those two steps”. Specter: “ And to whom did the President make that request?” Hill: “Assistant Special Agent in Charge Boring”. Boring was also in charge of planning the Texas trip for the Secret Service.. From p: 6, 7, 8. *********************************************** Notes p.210 (3) Manchester p.37-38 .He also wrote “It was a good idea, for example, to have agents perched on the broad trunk of the Presidential Lincoln when crowds threatened to grow disorderly. The trouble was they were always there.” (4)Author Walt Brown mentions Palamara’s controversial contact with Manchester in his book “Treachery In Dallas”. 95. P.338. (5) Manchester p.667 Of the 21 agents /officials interviewed by Manchester, only Roberts, Greer, Kinney and Blaine were on the Florida trip. Blaine was the advance agent for Tampa,( riding in the lead car), Greer drove JFK’s car, Kinney drove the follow-up car, and Roberts was the commander of the follow-up car. Roberts is Palamara’s main suspect of the four being Manchester’s dubious source for this quote.: he was asked to write a report about JFK’s so-called desires, citing Boring as the source for the order via radio transmission. The others Greer, Kinney and Blaine ..were not asked to write a similar report. In addition, Manchester had access to this report while writing his book. Also unlike the others, Roberts was interviewed twice and while Greer never went on record with his feelings about the matter ,one way or the other, Kinney denied the veracity of Manchester’s information , while Blaine denied the substance of the information, although he DID mention the ‘Ivy League charlatan’ remark coming from a second source .Finally, of the 21 agents interviewed by Manchester .Blaine is the only agent ---save two headquarters Inspectors ( see next note)---whose interview comments are not to be found in the text or index. In addition two other agents Lawton & Newman mention the remark as hearsay, it is likely that Manchester seized upon the remark and greatly exaggerated its significance ..AND attributed it to Boring, while his actual source was probably Roberts (and or Blaine). Again since Boring was not interviewed the comment had to come second hand from some other agent, who in turn received the remark second hand from Boring. In the end the question is: Did Boring really give out these orders on instructions from JFK.? (6) Interestingly Manchester having interviewed 21 different agents/ officials for his book (p.600-669), chose to include interviews with SS Inspectors Burrill Peterson and Jack Warner...What’s the problem? These men who were not even associated with the Texas trip in any way, were interviewed more than any other agents, 4 times each (Peterson 10/9/64..11/7/64..11/18/64..2/5/65. Warner 6/2/64..11/18/64..2/5/65..5/12/65. Only Emory Roberts, Clint Hill, Roy Kellerman, and Forrest Sorrels had two each. While all other agents/officials had one. More importantly, unlike all other 19 agents, save one Gerald Blaine (a Texas trip WHD agent). These two Inspectors are not even mentioned in the actual text or index? Their comments are invisible to the reader. It appears that Manchester’s book was an officially sanitized book more so than we thought (as most everyone knows the book was written with Jackie Kennedy’s approval, it was her idea. Manchester had early access to the WC itself. Warren appointed him an ex-officio member of the Commission. He approved an office for him in Washington’s VFW building. Where the commission met, and where copies of reports and depositions were made available to him.(p: XIX) Inspector Peterson was prominent in the post-assassination press dealings. Sorrels testified “I don’t think at any time you will see that there is any statement made by the newspapers or television that we said anything because Mr.Kelley ,the Inspector ,told me “Any information that is given out will have to come from Inspector Peterson in Washington”.(7H359). Burrill Peterson became an Assistant Director for Investigations in 1968.(20 Years in the Secret Service “ by Rufus Youngblood. 1973 p: 220. Jack Warner went on to become Director of Public Affairs till in the 90s Acting as a buffer to critical press questions during assassination attempts on President Ford and other related matters.(The Secret Service :The Hidden History of an Enigmatic Agency 2003:Phillip Melanson and Peter Stevens: p 101,201,224,237. Jack Warner would also later become a consultant to the 1993 Clint Eastwood movie “In The Line of Fire” .Which dramatized the life of Clint Hill. Hills testimony: Clinton J.Hill WC Testimony http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hill_c.htm His original report. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/sa-hill.htm B.....

Go to site to open links that are attached to this article.........B J.F.K. Published: June 17, 2007 To the Editor: Bryan Burrough’s laudatory review of Vincent Bugliosi’s book on the Kennedy assassination (May 20) is superficial and gratuitously insulting. “Conspiracy theorists” — blithe generalization — should according to Burroughs be “ridiculed, even shunned ... marginalized the way we’ve marginalized smokers.” Let’s see now. The following people to one degree or another suspected that President Kennedy was killed as the result of a conspiracy, and said so either publicly or privately: Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon; Attorney General Robert Kennedy; John Kennedy’s widow, Jackie; his special adviser dealing with Cuba at the United Nations, William Attwood; F.B.I. director J. Edgar Hoover (!); Senators Richard Russell (a Warren Commission member), and Richard Schweiker and Gary Hart (both of the Senate Intelligence Committee); seven of the eight congressmen on the House Assassinations Committee and its chief counsel, G. Robert Blakey; the Kennedy associates Joe Dolan, Fred Dutton, Richard Goodwin, Pete Hamill, Frank Mankiewicz, Larry O’Brien, Kenneth O’Donnell and Walter Sheridan; the Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman, who rode with the president in the limousine; the presidential physician, Dr. George Burkley; Mayor Richard Daley of Chicago; Frank Sinatra; and the “60 Minutes” producer Don Hewitt. All of the above, à la Burrough, were idiots. Not so, of course. Most of them were close to the events and people concerned, and some had privileged access to evidence and intelligence that threw doubt on the “lone assassin” version. That doubt remains today. Bugliosi himself this year joined us, Don DeLillo, Gerald Posner, Robert Blakey and two dozen other writers on the assassination in signing an open letter that appeared in the March 15 issue of The New York Review of Books. The letter focused on a specific unresolved lead, the discovery that a highly regarded C.I.A. officer named George Joannides was in 1963 running an anti-Castro exile group that had a series of encounters with Oswald shortly before the assassination. This is obviously pertinent, yet the C.I.A. hid the fact from four J.F.K. investigations. Since 1998, when the agency did reluctantly disclose the merest outline of what Joannides was up to, it has energetically stonewalled a Freedom of Information suit to obtain the details of its officer’s activities. Here we are in 2007, 15 years after Congress unanimously approved the J.F.K. Assassination Records Act mandating the “immediate” release of all assassination-related records, and the C.I.A. is claiming in federal court that it has the right not to do so. And now your reviewer, Burrough, seems to lump together all those who question the official story as marginal fools. Burrough’s close-minded stance should be unacceptable to every historian and journalist worthy of the name — especially at a time when a federal agency is striving vigorously to suppress very relevant information. Jefferson Morley Washington Norman Mailer Provincetown, Mass. Anthony Summers Waterford, Ireland David Talbot San Francisco http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/17/books/re...ters-t-1-1.html

Gaeton Fonzi, author of "The Last Investigation", & update on the Bug Book If anyone wants to read a I,696-page crock, we recommend Reclaiming History by the noted lawyer, Vincent Bugliosi. It says Lee Harvey Oswald alone killed President Kennedy. In making his case, he questions - and distorts - the work of Gaeton Fonzi, my former editorial partner and the author of The Last Investigation, the increasingly influential book which makes the strongest case in print that Oswald did not kill Kennedy. When Bugliosi challenges Fonzi's book, he challenges this magazine, for Fonzi's work originally appeared here and in The Washingtonian in 1980. That was l4 years before it became a book which is a must reading for students of the assassination. Bugliosi's book is just being released, but Fonzi read parts referring to his work. Fonzi particularly was annoyed by being labeled "a conspiracy theorist." Writes Fonzi: "Bugliosi is wrong. I was never a 'conspiracy theorist.' I went from an agnostic to a conspiracy believer." Fonzi goes on to describe how he became a believer. It stemmed from interviewing Arlen Specter (the same U.S. senator we see on TV all the time) back in 1967. Specter had returned from working for the Waren Commission and coming up with "the single bullet theory." Fonzi had just met with a lawyer named Vincent Salandria, and surprised Specter by knowing in detail the contradictions to that theory. Fonzi was amazed that when confronted with inconsistencies Specter could not explain them. Normally articulate, he stumbled and fumbled. Fonzi's article in Philadelphia Magazine caused a local sensation. It resulted, some years later, in Pennsylvania Sen. Richard Schweiker hiring him as a field investigator, here in Florida, when Congress reopened the investigation into JFK's death. In three years on the government payroll, Fonzi developed links between Oswald and the CIA. He discovered the agency had lied to the Warren Commission, and 15 years later was still stonewalling him and others trying to solve the crime of the century. He wrote all this in these pages. And not long ago he followed up with a story detailing how recently declassified CIA files have reinforced the impression that if intelligence figures did not kill a president. they surely did their best to frustrate the doc attempting to find out who did. June2 007 By BernardM cCormick As for Bugliosi's assertion that Fonzi came to his investigative work with a bias,I rise to support Fonzi. I was there that day in Wildwood, N.J., when the two of us, while working on a light piece (the title was "The Working Man's Riviera") were diverted to meet a Philadelphiala lawyer who was insisting the Warren Commission was a cover up. Vincent Salandria was unusual at that time in that he had actually studied the 26 volumes of evidence. Neither Fonzi nor I had even read the official report, a summary which had been praised by the New York Times. But no one at the Times had read the 26 volumes of evidence, because they had not yet been released. Such endorsements made the commission's work accepted by the public, including Fonzi and me. We did not know enough to have any bias. THE ANSWER Salandria wanted to meet Fonzi because of his reputation as an investigative reporter. Fonzi invited me along for the fun. Both of us expected to meet a nut case. And initially I thought we had. My first impression was of a man unnervingly intense and obsessive. But when he began running us through the evidence, we were startled at the blatant contradictions.Keep in mind, this was just the initial physical stuff - the position of the holes in JFK's shirt, the wounds, the pristine "single bullet" that had to wound both Kennedy and Gov. John Connolly to limit the deed to a single shooter. This was before it became known that dozens of witnesses thought shots came from the grassy knoll, and it was a decade before investigators, including Fonzi. discovered that the CIA had concealed its huge involvement in anti-Castro activities in South Florida from the Warren Commission. It was even longer before it was learned that the CIA set up President Kennedy for failure at the Bay of Pigs, figuring he would have to use our military to save the operation,and his butt. It was before the truth of the Cuban Missile Crisis came out. When Kennedy, after a secret agreement with the Russians tried to shut down CIA efforts to kill Castro and stage attacks in Cuba. That resulted in CIA agents and their Cuban-American operatives hating Kennedy, considering him a traitor. And it was nearly 40 years before we would learn that in faking cooperation with Fonzi's investigation. the CIA assigned as liaison a retired agent who was, had been deeply involved in coordinating anti-Castro activities in Miami. Of course, he didn't bother to mention that. And when asked to identify the specitic CIA man who headed the anti- Castrcl work in South Florida, he could not find him. It turns out the man government investigators wanted so badly to question was /rillsef. It is thought most of those involved in the murder of JFK are dead. Certainly the most suspicious CIA types are. And ) ct those books supporting a long dis- credited idea that Oswald acted alone .()ntinLrc to be published. It is strange. \n.i indt-'c'd.. it is stranger that Fonzi, who started out as an agnostic and became a believer criticized or finding and revealing tirc t i ' L r t l r . IIERE} g u lfst reo m m e d i ag ro u p.co m PUBLISHER'S LETTER that the opposite end of this book, we rise once again to defend a work which appeared in these pages 27 years ago, and which has grown into something of a landmark in the history of the Kennedy assassination. If you have a day to devote, Google the name Gaeton Fonzi and see the multiple references to his book The Last Investigation which first appeared here as two long magazine articles in 1980. In retrospect, the book had the wrong name, but only because it has had such an impact that many researchers have been inspired to investigate the crime of the century, uncovering additional information to corroborate crucial details that Fonzi developed during five years as a government investigator. Fonzi's initial assignment for Pennsylvania Sen. Richard Schweiker was to look into CIA connections with anti-Castro Cubans in South Florida. Fonzi, in his own phrase, "stumbled" across a connection between Lee Harvey Oswald and a high ranking CIA officer. Fonzi never accused the CIA man of particpating in JFK's murder, but he did open a door that subsequently cast light on the elaborate efforts of the intelligence community to sabotage the quest for truth. And the truth continues to come out, almost 45 years after the tragic day in Dallas. Even Fonzi's CIA man, David Atlee Phillips, when near death, said he thought the intelligence community was involved in the killing. He did not admit a role, but that may have been one last bit of spycraft, a disinformation specialist's final wink at history - kill a president and get away with it. And a dying E. Howard Hunt, the famous Watergate burglar and longtime CIA figure, named the intelligence community figures he said were involved, including David Atlee Phillips. Hunt modestly described himself as "a bench warmer" in the actual event. Another deathbed confession of sorts has been the gradual declassification of documents which show the extent to which the CIA stonewalled the congressional committee for which Fonzi worked. For more on that, go to the last page. This magazine is not known as hard hitting, but it is an immense satisfaction to know that a former editorial partner in this publication has made history, and that we had a part in helping him. >F >F >F Some years back we interviewed the late ]im Moran and he revealed Jim Moran's 10 rules of business.1 . Be there 2 Be there.3. Be there 4. Be there 5. Be there. 6. Be there 7. Be there 8. Be there 9. Be there 10. Be there. First at Courtesy Ford in Chicago and later when he built fM Family Enterprises into a giant network of dealerships and distributorships in the south, Jim Moran was there - for his customers and for the communities he served. - BERNARD McCORMICK 1 2 June 2007 gulfstreammediagroup Beow is how it originally came through, I tried to make it more readable........but for correct procedure...as sent from the author....here it is below... f anyone wants to read a I,696-page crock, we recommend Reclaiming History by the noted lawyer, Vincent Bugliosi. It says Lee Harvey Oswald alone killed President Kennedy. In making his case, he questions - and distorts - the work of Gaeton Fonzi, my former editorial partner and the author of The Last Investigation, the increasingly influential book rvhichm akest he strongesct asei n print that Osrvald did not kill Kennedy. When Bugliosi challengesF onzi'sb ook, he challenges this magazine, for Fonzi's work originally appeared here and in The Washingtonian in 1980. That rvas l4 years before it became a book which is must readinsf or studentso f the assassination. Bugliosi's book is just being released, but Fonzi read parts referring to his work. Fonzi particularly was annoyed by being labeled "a conspiracy theorist." Writes Fonzi: "Bugliosi is wrong. I was never a 'conspiracy theorist.' I went from an agnostic to a conspiracy believer." Fonzi goes on to describe how he became a believer. It stemmed from interviewing Arlen Specter (the same U.S. senator we see on TV all the time) back in 1967. Specter had returned from working for the Wanen Commission and coming up with "the single bullet theory." Fonzi had just met with a lawyer named Vincent Salandria, and surprised Specter by knowing in detail the contradictions to that theory. Fonzi was amazed that when confronted rvith inconsistenciesS, pecterc ould not explain them. Normally articulate,h e stumbleda nd fumbled. Fonzi's article rn Philadelphia Magazinec auseda local sensationI.t resulted, some years later, in PennsylvaniaS en. Richard Schweiker hiring him as a field investigator, h ere in Florida, when Congress reopenedth e investigationin to JFK's death. In three years on the government payroll, Fonzi developedl inks betweenO srvalda nd the CIA. He discoveredt he agencyh ad lied to the Warren Commission, and 15 years later was still stonewalling him and others trying to solve the crime of the century. He wrote all this in these pages. And not long ago he followed up rvith a stor)' detailing how recently declassified CIA files have reinforced the impression that if intelligencefi guresd id not kill a president. they surely did their best to frustratct-h osc attempting to find out who did. June2 007 By BernardM cCormick As for Bugliosi's assertion that Fonzi camet o his investigativew ork with a bias,I rise to support Fonzi. I was there that day in Wildwood, N.J., when the tlvo of us, while r,vorking on a light piece (the title was "The Working Man's Riviera") were diverted to meet a Philadelphiala wyer who was insisting the Warren Commission was a cover up. Vincent Salandria was unusual at that time in that he had actually studied the 26 volumes of evidence. Neither Fonzi nor I had even read the official report, a summary which had been praised by the New York Times. But no one at the Times had read the 26 volumes of evidence, because they had not yet been released. Such endorsements made the commission's work accepted by the public, including Fonzi and me. We did not know enough to have any bias. I' THE RlISWER alandria wanted to meet Fonzr becauseo f his reputationa s an investigative reporter. Fonzi inr ited me along for the fun. Both of us expectedt o meet a nut case.A nd initiallr I thought we had. My first impression w'as of a man unnervinglyi ntense.g aunt,o bsessive. But when he began running us through the evidence. we were starlled at the blatant contradictionsK. eep in mind, this rvasj ust the initial physical stuff - the position of the holes in JFK's shirt, the wounds, the pristine "single bullet" that had to wound both Kennedy and Gov. John Connolly to limit the deed to a single shooter. This was before it became known that dozens of witnesses thought shots came from the grassy knoll, and it was a decade before investigators, including Fonzi. discovered that the CIA had concealed its huge involvement in anti-Castro activities in South Florida from the Warren Commission. It was even longer before it rvas learned that the CIA set up President Kennedy for failure at the Bay of Pigs, figuring he would have to use our military to save the operation,a ndh is butt. It was beforet he truth of the Cuban Missile Crisis came out. when Kennedy, after a secret agreement with the Russians.t ried to shut down CIA efforts to kill Castro and stage attacks in Cuba. That resulted in CIA agents and their Cuban-American operatives hating Kennedy, considering him a traitor. And it was nearly 40 years before we would learn that in faking cooperation with Fonzi's investigation. t he CIA assigneda s liaisona retired agent who was had been deeply involved in coordinating anti-Castro activities in Miami. Of course, he didn't bother to mention that. And when asked to identify the specitic CIA man who headed the anti- Castrcl rvork in South Florida, he could not lind him. It turns out the man government inrestigatorsw anted so badly to question u as /rillsef. It is thought most of those involved in the murder of JFK are dead. Certainly thc rnost suspiciousC IA types are. And ) ct thcse books supporling a long dis- .rc!litcd idea that Oswald acted alone .()ntinLrc to be published. It is strange. \n.i indt-'c'dit is strangert hat Fonzi, who .t.rrtcrl r)ut as an agnostic and became a be- Irer er . r. criticizedf or findinga ndr evealing tirc t i ' L r t l r . IIERE} g u lfst reo m m e d i ag ro u p.co m PUBLISHER'SL ETTER t the opposite end of this book, we rise once again to defend a work which appeared in these pages 27 years ago, and which has grown into something of a landmark in the history of the Kennedy assassinationI.f you have a day to devote, Google the name Gaeton Fonzi and see the multiple references to his book The Last Investigation which first appeared here as two long magazine articles in 1980. In retrospect, the book had the wrong name, but only because it has had such an impact that many researchers have been inspired to investigate the crime of the century, uncovering additional information to corroborate crucial details that Fonzi developed during five years as a government investigator. Fonzi's initial assignment for Pennsylvania Sen. Richard Schweiker was to look into CIA connections with anti-Castro Cubans in South Florida. Fonzi, in his own phrase, "stumbled" across a connection between Lee Harvey Oswald and a high ranking CIA officer. Fonzi never accused the CIA man of particpating in |FK's murder, but he did open a door that subsequently cast light on the elaborate efforts of the intelligence community to sabotaget he quest for truth. And the truth continues to come out, almost 45 years after the tragic day in Dallas. Even Fonzi's CIA man, David Atlee Phillips, when near death, said he thought the intelligence community was involved in the killing. He did not admit a role, but that may have been one last bit of spycraft, a disinformation specialist'sfi nal wink at history - kill a president and get away with it. And a dying E. Howard Hunt, the famous Watergate burglar and longtime CIA figure, named the intelligence community figures he said were involved, including David Atlee Phillips. Hunt modestly described himself as "a bench warmer" in the actual event. Another deathbed confession of sorts has been the gradual declassification of documents which show the extent to which the CIA stonewalled the congressional committee for which Fonzi worked. For more on that, go to the last page. This magazine is not known as hard hitting, but it is an immense satisfaction to know that a former editorial partner in this publication has made history, and that we had a part in helping him. >F >F >F Some years back we interviewed the late ]im Moran and he revealed Iim Moran's 10 rules of business.1 . Be there 2 Be there.3. Be there 4. Be there 5. Be there. 6. Be there 7. Be there 8. Be there 9. Be there 10. Be there. First at Courtesy Ford in Chicago and later when he built fM Family Enterprises into a giant network of dealershipsa nd distributorships in the south, |im Moran was there - for his customers and for the communities he served. - BERNARD McCORMICK 1 2 June 2007 gulfstreammediagroup Thanks Frog..... B...

Thanks Robin, that's the one.... B..

Any luck with that photo, Chuck? I believe it DOES matter what the arrangement was on other days. And I would like to take this opportunity to welcome Vince to the forum. I really appreciate your groundbreaking work on the Secret Service's actions that day. Their actions are a bitter pill to swallow. I believe that is why they got away with it for so long. Who could believe they would do such a thing? But Vince, take it easy on Ms. Baker , ok? Her story does not make or break this case and it would only serve to exonerate Oswald. ************************ In case you could not find the photos Chuck, ...Peter..... Here are a couple from Tampa, Florida, taken 4 days before Dallas.... Full protection...... And Vince as always, you are the SS extraordinaire.... B....

Robin: I believe this may be yours....?? showing Lovelady's white T shirt.......that had been posted some time back.. on the F.. Now if someone could post his GIF......? not yours, anothers.... I am also posting the comparison of the facial features, side view......Lovelady and man seen in the doorway..?? B.........

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Hi Lee: Re number 6...... That photo of the hispanic individual comes from the Marsh collection, it was found some years ago.......and passed along.. It is said to be from the Jim Garrison files.......now the connection is, or could be...? In the Roger Craig information...... When Craig was suppoened to New Orleans and became involved with the Garrison Investigation, Jim showed Roger that photo, of that man.......[seen below....]. ...and Roger Craig stated to him, that is the man that was driving the station wagon, he had seen that day, in Dealey..... The car that the young man, LHO?, or look alike ?, who had run from behind the area of the TSBD, down the grassy slope, and entered into.. The station wagon is seen in a Jim Murray photo, .[below]......this was also witnessed by three others I believe, at 12/40.pm... Also, a thought, keep in mind many were taken in that afternoon, but not put under arrest, only for questioning, as for instance, Jim Braden was.. ......but that there were reports that 10 to 12 were put under arrest...and all released.. May help within the research of your station wagon....B...

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James :The shirt comparison photo is from Jack......thanks... From Gary Shaws "Cover-Up" 76 & 92... page 41.. "Lovelady likewise told independant researcher Jones Harris ( who specialzes in photographic aspects of the President's murder) that on Nov.22 he was wearing a red and white striped shirt buttoned near the neck.WC XXII H 794. *************** WXXII page 794.. Hearings New York Herald Tribune...Article May 24/64..clip "Ten days ago, still brooding over the picture Jones Harris flew to Dallas, met with Lovelady and talked to him for about quarter of and hour. Lovelady told him yes, it was he standing in the doorway.. Lovelady also told him that the FBI has taken several pictures of him , presumably to compare with the AP picture of the assassination scene. Lovelady also said that on November 22 he was wearing a red -and-white striped sports shirt buttoned near the neck..".. http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/...Vol22_0412b.htm I am in a rush, so if I have doubled any previously posted photos ,sorry......so be it.. B......

Hi James: But according to Lovelady's WC information, he states he was on the top step.......also wherever he placed the mark, for the WC showing where he stood that day, is also and has not been seen...He and Truly also changed their information after their first statements.....about their immediate actions...after the assassination at first they ran to the area towards the parking lot, after that info changed to how they immediately went back into the TSBD...?? Here is the photo you requested of Lovelady taken by the FBI, when asked to wear the shirt he wore that day for a photograph..and a few others in comparison...the doppleganger perhaps raises his head , in the side views....... .....there is much more, on the saga of the doorway..as I am sure you are well aware of......... No I have never made up my mind....too many differences found along he way....He had problems after and they moved from Dallas... .....she also at one time tried to sell the supposed shirt for $5,000.00.........He died very young from a heart attack, not sure but I am thinking he was around 42 . though the family did say that such did run in the family..and there had been early deaths from the same problem...his daughter apparently did also.... For now...FWIW.. B......